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Well GMarsh, you know I'm on my phone a lot then :D
Frankly this is exactly what I need if I am to not bow out of playing entirely and seek hosting nigh indefinitely. Therefore, can I opt for a very tentative /in, under the assumption that I am /out if this starts before "TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die" ends?
Also. Should I play under the assumption that I will be TL Mafia LXIII Alakaslam
or
Previous Meta CHUPAZISLAM DUPLAKFISH DHJIIN aLaKaSPaM?
+ Show Spoiler +Am I allowed to choose between the two?
And, if this is not full by the time the LXIII game finishes, I appreciate any feedback from fellow players. If you don't want me to use either meta, I will default to LXIII as that is the real me. Evidenced by the fact that every now and then I toss in some nod to the chupazi man.
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On November 18 2013 19:35 Aquanim wrote: Given that Alakaslam is still playing LXIII it might be best to check with him that he's still in for this game. Thanks for pointing out,
NO NO NO NOT UNTIL THAT FINISHES.
I absolutely don't want to do that to you all!
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For clarity and simplicity
/out
/replace
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On November 19 2013 15:25 OdinOfPergo wrote: /replace
I have a vaca coming in next week so maby if I'm lucky I'll get to sub in when I have free time! hue! Glhf all!
Still going to obs this game for kicks.
AUGH! Raynepelikoneet first plz?
... WAIT HE IS IN THE SAME GAME! And I'm all fighting him tooh and nail over there! (Or I was, till I gave up...)
In other words, it's a bit of a quiet period over there for me. Up to you GMarsh, but maybe early enough notice to delay game a bit/ reopen sign ups?
Otherwise here I am, send me!
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On November 25 2013 07:08 Onegu wrote:Omg you crossed the beams OO. Never cross the beams. Do you know what you have done to this game? Chez and slam in the same game? Where is the man? I owe him tidings and tribute
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On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote: While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend.
In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either:
a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights or b)be lynched due to his behavior
A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them.
I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now.
Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching? Mocsta already thinks I'm scum. I'm totes ready to OMGUS but I want to try and see why first.
Faugh. I went from harrowing to potentially harrowing. Let's check this out...
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On November 25 2013 07:22 cDgCorazon wrote: Lol this game is over.
Alakaslam isn't going to read the game. Chezinu isn't going to read the game. HF isn't going to play, only going to hide under his doc claim. Thrawn isn't going to play, only going to buddy everyone. JJD/Bereft/Onegu/Sciberia aren't active enough (over the course of the entire game, Onegu is doing better though)
@Aqua/Moc Let's just vote all of these guys out systematically? Then we can have a 3-way Mexican standoff if we haven't killed the scum yet. Well, if it isn't two people duking it out with fallacies on every page I will. I'll need time to help much ofc, but there has hardly been any.
I'm coming from a 300+ page game cora. This is hefty but it isn't 100 yet.
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On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote: @Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon.
If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing.
Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone.
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Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in
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On November 25 2013 08:25 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote: Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is playing the towniest game of his life. JJD is possible but not certain scum in my book. Ok. So you would prefer there wasn't a wagon on Mocsta XD, but I have a question for you that will seem useless but it's not.
Have you seen "Lifeboat"?
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On November 25 2013 08:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote: Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is scum, I don't know why cora is defending him so hard. Activity will pick up, it's the weekend, people are busy/have lives but he isn't accepting it and is just attacking people that deface him or defending mocsta for no good reason. He's not saying WHY mocsta is very towny or systematically going through people's cases to acknowledge their points and say "oh here's a good point on why he is town", he's waiting for the person in question to return so he isn't held responsible if he makes a mistake defending his team mate. I'm pretty certain cora and mocsta are scum together. I will make cases soon™. Ah, jeez man. Maybe Cora is "defending him so hard" because he doesn't agree? It seems Aqua holds the same opinion! You look like CONF BIAS embodied to me sometimes. But that could be because I'm fighting you tooth and claw elsewhere until recently discovering that was a strawman so I need to make sure there is no other such flaw here that I see, but thanks for your input...
Many people aren't here it seems, that is a very useful tidbit. Probably not what you meant to convince me of but I rather not be convinced against my will -_- I guess rean was just gone longer?
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On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote: @Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing. Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone. I'll oblige: Onegu: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO. Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse). Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads. JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me. Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people. Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case.
This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad.
Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.)
Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT.
Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level?
Holyflare: ummm...
Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now...
And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx
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On November 25 2013 08:38 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:28 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 08:25 Aquanim wrote:On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote: Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is playing the towniest game of his life. JJD is possible but not certain scum in my book. Ok. So you would prefer there wasn't a wagon on Mocsta XD, but I have a question for you that will seem useless but it's not. Have you seen "Lifeboat"? No I haven't. K I will relate then.
Imagine a lifeboat full of dejected U-boat torpedo survivors that happen to have a nazi espionage agent aboard. He is rowing the boat. They aren't quite clueless...
Do you see where I'm going with that?
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On November 25 2013 09:13 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:48 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote: @Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing. Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone. I'll oblige: Onegu: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO. Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse). Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads. JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me. Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people. Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case. This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad. Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.) Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT. Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level? Holyflare: ummm... Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now... And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx Hi, I r chez. Did you obtain summary of what is going on? I only got sighs... CHEZINU!!!
Yes! I think CDGCORAZON is a good one, what about you?
I am wanting to ask also, do you sell the balm for insanity? I have been afflicted by LXIII, go not there
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On November 25 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 09:31 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 09:13 Chezinu wrote:On November 25 2013 08:48 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote: @Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing. Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone. I'll oblige: Onegu: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO. Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse). Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads. JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me. Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people. Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case. This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad. Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.) Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT. Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level? Holyflare: ummm... Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now... And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx Hi, I r chez. Did you obtain summary of what is going on? I only got sighs... CHEZINU!!! Yes! I think CDGCORAZON is a good one, what about you? I am wanting to ask also, do you sell the balm for insanity? I have been afflicted by LXIII, go not there With the dragon gone, my chances of winning skyrockets. However, style before victory. Having both the sun and the dragon live in the end is a more stylish victory. Just need to feed the dragon something else... Right, you have no idea what I'm talking about. Not now. Not with the flares, sighs, and those that wish mocsta's demise. Nay, perchance I can guess
Yet I also see something and clarify, CDGCORAZON is a good friend not a good lynch
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On November 25 2013 09:13 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:48 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote: @Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing. Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone. I'll oblige: Onegu: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO. Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse). Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads. JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me. Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people. Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case. This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad. Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.) Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT. Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level? Holyflare: ummm... Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now... And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx Hi, I r chez. Did you obtain summary of what is going on? I only got sighs... For shame, friends. I would expect it of the enemy.
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Well I am going to have to leave, I do hope to be more useful tomorrow. Please don't make me lose it!... I don't mind criticism however will not see till tomorrow.
##Vote: Jar Jar Drinks
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On November 25 2013 12:16 Aquanim wrote: Fuck you Corazon.
I'm going out for a while. See you all later. Well first thing catching up on current events while I'm here before sleep. This crap is unnecessary, and especially since we didn't pay him enough credence (at least I didn't; I fess I didn't read his case through as I got notice I would have to leave and got in a rush)
Telling each other off gets town nowhere.
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On November 25 2013 12:18 Mocsta wrote: @Alakaslam
Are you trying to change your typing style this game as well? Well, trying. Let me know if you notice anything, it will become clear if I lose it because I will disappear (I am going to try to do the same in the other game as well, that wasn't fair) but until then any help is appreciated.
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Haven't caught all te way up yet
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On November 25 2013 15:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok, I'm just going to throw my idea out there. In my opinion, the biggest problem of Day 2 was the lack of thread movement in the first 20 hours. This was frustrating for me and for a lot of other active players. It obviously wasn't ideal and I think we need a way to fix that and force people to lurk less; we had to choose between 4-5 lurkers and they had no reason or motivation to delurk. This is bad.
What is my suggestion to counter this? We form a town circle with Me, Aqua, Mocsta, and Bereft/Sciberia (one or possibly both).
These five have been the most active players in the game and I think we can all put our heads together and force the others to de-lurk.
How do we accomplish this? We should all talk for the rest of N2 and the beginning of D3. We should decide on a lynch within the first part of D3 and all pack our votes on that one player. This would force that person to delurk and we can change our vote or not based on their responses.
I think we need to work closer together and form a temporary alliance for at least D3 and hopefully D4 if enough of the players are still around. If we can get 5 people in our circle, we can force scum to kill either two people in the circle (and either force HF to protect someone in the circle or out him as scum with a fake claim) or we can have 4 people in our circle and bully one other player into voting with us (if HF is town and gets shot).
Let me know if this is a good idea or if I'm just dumb. If you are dumb we are dumb together anyway.
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On November 25 2013 15:46 thrawn2112 wrote: how bout we not talk about town reads and town circles at night K wish I had seen this sooner ty
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On November 25 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote: Yes I totally get where you are coming from. I just hope you can understant where I'm coming from. I have a feeling that rayn would've gotten lynched no matter what I, you, or lots of other people could have done. He wanted to be lynched. I realized this after reading his filter after he flipped. During the hours leading up to lynch I stayed in the thread the entire time, begging him to help me see if he's town if he's indeed town. He refused to take me up on my offer until right at the very end, because he wanted to be lynched. That made me feel like my time's been wasted, when townies are trying to get lynched. Then, two people that I thought were scummy during D1 stopped playing. I changed my mind about rean during the night but those two (rean and jampi) were who I planned on interrogating next. That didn't happen because they left. So I was forced to look outside of who I'd planned on looking at, I spent a lot of time looking at aqua and bereft and finally decided they were town. Ok... I'm unable to talk to my scumreads from D1 and the people that rayn suggest looking at, I look at and they end up looking townie. The very next day I was ready to start tryharding, I open the thread up and see you doing exactly what rayn did which is literally claim that you're going to be uncooperative, and this pissed me off because I had a very strong town read on you and I immediately though, "oh no, it's gonna be D1 all over again and we're gonna mislynch Cora." I really wanted to rage at you but I decided that anything I would have written would have only made the situation worse.
What do you think about jampi's play? I want to hear aqua talk about this as well.
Alakaslam I want to know your read on chezinu since you talked to him a bit during D2. Well, I am worried.
There are two people with unadulterated power to Svengali me on TL, Five who bear great power to influence me;
In order, they are: BlazingHand, Chezinu, VisceraEyes, Marvellosity, Coagulation
Therefore, I refer you to the nazi rowing the lifeboat analogy.
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On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote:@Thrawn: First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously: Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them). Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this: Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up: On November 23 2013 10:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote:On November 23 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:32 Aquanim wrote: @Corazon I'd like to see your thoughts on Jampidampi. No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that. You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu? Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch. Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was. So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence. He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read. Show nested quote +<Insert Corazon post> This post is scummy/a scum slip/is bad/something a scum would say. Corazon looks bad/scummy/like he is scum. <No vote> Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others. Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line. Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/ You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle. Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run. Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say. Not sure I miss Rayn Cora
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On November 25 2013 16:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 16:35 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote: Yes I totally get where you are coming from. I just hope you can understant where I'm coming from. I have a feeling that rayn would've gotten lynched no matter what I, you, or lots of other people could have done. He wanted to be lynched. I realized this after reading his filter after he flipped. During the hours leading up to lynch I stayed in the thread the entire time, begging him to help me see if he's town if he's indeed town. He refused to take me up on my offer until right at the very end, because he wanted to be lynched. That made me feel like my time's been wasted, when townies are trying to get lynched. Then, two people that I thought were scummy during D1 stopped playing. I changed my mind about rean during the night but those two (rean and jampi) were who I planned on interrogating next. That didn't happen because they left. So I was forced to look outside of who I'd planned on looking at, I spent a lot of time looking at aqua and bereft and finally decided they were town. Ok... I'm unable to talk to my scumreads from D1 and the people that rayn suggest looking at, I look at and they end up looking townie. The very next day I was ready to start tryharding, I open the thread up and see you doing exactly what rayn did which is literally claim that you're going to be uncooperative, and this pissed me off because I had a very strong town read on you and I immediately though, "oh no, it's gonna be D1 all over again and we're gonna mislynch Cora." I really wanted to rage at you but I decided that anything I would have written would have only made the situation worse.
What do you think about jampi's play? I want to hear aqua talk about this as well.
Alakaslam I want to know your read on chezinu since you talked to him a bit during D2. Well, I am worried. There are two people with unadulterated power to Svengali me on TL, Five who bear great power to influence me; In order, they are: BlazingHand, Chezinu, VisceraEyes, Marvellosity, Coagulation Therefore, I refer you to the nazi rowing the lifeboat analogy. Never mind that. What's your read on him? Null. He needs just as much time as I do. We are making more stuff for him to sort through in fact.
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On November 25 2013 16:54 thrawn2112 wrote: A(la)ka "Slam" I take it you've already read rean's filter? Did reading that filter give you any ideas about who might be mafia? Just townread on Cora.
I'm back again btw. Insomnia, then I must truly sleep for the night.
His filter is really short.
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On November 25 2013 17:23 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 17:02 Mocsta wrote: Further to jampi being scum.
Chezinu has made no effort to integrate into the thread.
Even when Scibs was roleplaying with him; Chezinu decided to be distant. I do not profess to be an expert of Chezinu -- heck I have only seen him play scum.
But the couple games I seen him played scum, hes distant and unhelpful. (Matching up to my expectations)
I feel very confident about this slot being scum. Chezinu's roleplaying has a purpose, it allows him to hide behind what everyone writes off as "trolling" so he can read people, and communicate his reads to his town reads without the mafia team being aware of his motives. I am not familiar with his scumplay but I'd assume that when he roleplays as mafia, he's hiding behind it, trying to make it look like there is no difference between town and scum chezinu. I remember playing scum vs town chezinu and it was terrifying, because I couldn't actually tell what responses I should give him because he hid his real questions so well. I don't think he's committed to his roleplaying as a means to catch scum. I could understand his points about scib but they are overly simplistic and some of the points are misrepresentations of what scib said (scib never called rean town in that post, only implied that rayn thought rean was town) That was what I meant when I said "not enough brown." Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote:However, style before victory. Having both the sun and the dragon live in the end is a more stylish victory. Just need to feed the dragon something else... style before victoryShow nested quote +On March 03 2013 12:08 Chezinu wrote:
VII. Style before Victory
Winning is not always easy. Winning with style is harder yet. Before you win a game, you must ask yourself. How do I want to win this? You want to be remembered for the fun you bring to the games and the style in which you win them. Winning the game as lurker is no fun at all, especially when you are mafia. Most of town will not remember that it was you who caused their demise, unless you send them the right message such as spelling GOSU with your night kills and sniping all of the blues roles. However, you must not limit your style to secrets. The reward of winning tastes so much better if you fool the town as one of the most active members. Be creative. Create your own theme if appropriate (point IV) or latch on to another’s, they will appreciate the addition to their fantasy (point V).
This is taken from his House of Chezinu guide. What is the style before victory section mainly about? Winning as scum.dragon and sunI know I may have shown my hand in regards to my question about the "dragon" and "sun." The dragon and sun are obviously meant to be certain people in the game, that's the explanation that makes the most sense. When Chez roleplays everything he says is a metaphor for something in the game. Why a townie think that winning the game with certain people still in it is worth more than a victory without them? They wouldn't, because they don't know alignments. A scum player would certainly be able to derive satisfaction from winning a game and not killing off certain players whom he deemed a threat to his survival. What I'm getting at is in that post Chezinu was literally scumclaiming... style before victory, no? /tinfoil Thrawn, thank you for reminding me of chezinu's book, I need to go refresh.
Chezinu!
You see perhaps that Thrawn sees not with the eyes of CHUPAZI. (If you seek ennobling on this matter, or knowledge of these arcane arts, ask the Coagulation of OMGUS). For though he has wisdom perhaps beyond the Kush doctor, he sees not that which is cloaked. However, perhaps his wisdom simply is great.
If I am to look Upon thee with CHUPAZI (a skill I still truly lack but whatever) am I to see that which is winged or a corner of the triangle?
Tell Coag! You seek WriteCraft! The WriteCraft of alakaslammin CHUPAZI!
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On November 25 2013 18:09 Mocsta wrote: Slam.
How would you feel if you were my strongest town read? I would be really frikkin surprised
But I need to sleep and CHUPAZI is all CHUPAZI is or means. However it is also Swahili.
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On November 25 2013 18:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 18:25 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 18:09 Mocsta wrote: Slam.
How would you feel if you were my strongest town read? I would be really frikkin surprised But I need to sleep and CHUPAZI is all CHUPAZI is or means. However it is also Swahili. Y surprised? Nobody ever does
Good night
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On November 26 2013 04:44 Onegu wrote: Rean was replaced by alakaslam right? This is correct.
Good morni- ah, afternoon. Well I overslept.
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On November 26 2013 05:23 Onegu wrote: @Slam did you read my mocsta case? No, and huh? What delay? Catch me up on that please. What page is that case on?
You are aware Cora had a case on you?
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On November 25 2013 20:03 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 19:52 Aquanim wrote: @Alakaslam
Suppose I label the corners of a triangle in order of their acuteness. If I was to look upon you with the eyes of your vaunted chupazi, which corner would I see? The third triangle, which is totally unique? Good Morning everyone!! or rather is it night... Chezinu, doest thou desire I post WriteCraft here? You appear not to seek it.
It is long, though, that is why I desired thou seek it for thine own self...
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On November 25 2013 20:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 20:09 Chezinu wrote: Sometimes being too good with your reads can get you killed. That happened to me one game. Town was all like, your reads are too accurate all day. You mafia die!!!! Yeah.. that really happened. true story.
The police hate the fact that I would not place my hand against my own brother. It shows that I'm unique and am an individual - not a robot. The soundness of illogical, these robots do not understand. They mock the idea the the Chezinu Rule for they can not compute. The Chezinu Rule has never failed. It's accuracy in experimental trials has been 100% so far. Yet, it still requires faith to follow despite its proven past. Some think logic is more important, much like the robots. But I say, faith>logic. So Unizehc is statign he is scum with Sciberbia. & Sciberbia is telling him what to do in the scum QT. Awesome. You see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI.
Let me explain in code. The time is hardly right.
Chupaziz are attracted to death. They see the essence of life. They fly in packs, usually of about 50. Therefore they see not clearly what is without, but usually what is within is clear. The speech of Chezinu, seen with the eyes of CHUPAZI, can mean a number of things. You see the scum claim within. A CHUPAZI may see TP, Blu, VT, I don't know as I can see only when one does or does not see with the eyes of CHUPAZI. I see not well at all myself.
Chezinu is correct about reaction. The old game is not wholly necessary for my contribution, Chezinu has been a light and a blessing to both my games.
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On November 26 2013 05:43 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 05:34 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 05:23 Onegu wrote: @Slam did you read my mocsta case? No, and huh? What delay? Catch me up on that please. What page is that case on? You are aware Cora had a case on you? Yes I know he had a case on me Ill post my response and my case on mocsta, its long and long winded just so you know. Just the page number the. Do t mess up the thread
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On November 26 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote:On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.
The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier? Because you fail at BBCode Acceptable: "I fail at x" Questionable: "you fail at x" Acceptable: "you messed up x" Questionable: "shitting on the thread"
So take it or leave it, knowing it comes from a hypocrite.
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Onegu,
Your case turned me off after two things.
1: you double quoted a long Mocsta post 2: you attack Mocsta for both attacking my slot and defending it. What would be the townie reaction?
It would be great for such a long case to distract a replace as scum, otherwise, are you certain there is no summary?
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On November 26 2013 06:32 Onegu wrote:my tldr Well, I do like your TL;DR, thing is you are hostile there too. But I will say; the last point about Rayne is scummier to me than the rest. Why push Rayne then vote switch? But we will see.
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K ONEGU WHO R U PUSHING Y SO HOSTILE
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On November 26 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 09:11 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 06:32 Onegu wrote:my tldr Well, I do like your TL;DR, thing is you are hostile there too. But I will say; the last point about Rayne is scummier to me than the rest. Why push Rayne then vote switch? But we will see. ^^ Lol /dunked I wish i asked why you liked it before I posted my response. Cos this post is bad. Frankly, it's what I get for not reading the thread but instead trying to start forming reads based on other people's cases.
Yeah I'm dunked, whatever that means. Only recently come across it, is this a meme?
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On November 26 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 09:11 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 06:32 Onegu wrote:my tldr Well, I do like your TL;DR, thing is you are hostile there too. But I will say; the last point about Rayne is scummier to me than the rest. Why push Rayne then vote switch? But we will see. ^^ Lol /dunked I wish i asked why you liked it before I posted my response. Cos this post is bad. Oh I see what you are asking.
I liked *the fact he brought forward* his TL;dr. I proceeded to say the only scummy thing there wa the Rayne vote switch which you deny anyway so...
How muh do I actually like it XD
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K hold up I am aware this game was on back burner. There was simply a case of priorities (I gave LXIII my /in first, k.) and then I had to leave, and am now back.
First... How did two kills happen, but Cora not dead? But this has been explained by abscences.
But there were requests for me give me a sec and I will quote reply, makes my filter more generally informative of context (look of disappoint at rean).
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On November 26 2013 12:52 Mocsta wrote: Slam. Come join us bud !! Fwiw I hope you are here still too!
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On November 26 2013 13:49 cDgCorazon wrote: Also, the fact that Mocsta is still alive basically means HF/Onegu are scum.
Scenarios: HF/Onegu are town, scum would kill Mocsta to have us mislynch one of them
HF/Onegu are town, scum would not kill Mocsta would be a bad play b/c Mocsta is a great analysis player and has no pressure from anyone outside of HF/Onegu
HF/Onegu are scum, they kill Mocsta and expose themselves as scum because they've tunneled a townie the whole game and are out of reads
HF/Onegu are scum, they let Mocsta live so they can continue to tunnel him and fake activity/scumhunting
It's the last one. HF/Onegu have put all of their eggs in the Mocsta basket and forces them to keep him alive
@Alakaslam: You seem to understand Chezinu's dialect of English- is there anything magical that he has said that looks townie to you? Yes this was the one that jumped out at me, GUYS- DO NOT LYNCH CHEZINU.
Look at what Thrawn said about him, I can't remember- basically, he is our strongest asset if he is with us. I gave him a huge novel to read as a private question, so 1: butt out and 2: WAIT. I want to see his reply.
Chezinu, I have an idea so that you don't need to go through Coag who may not have much time. I will put WriteCraft in a spoiler.
I need to make sure with Coag though.
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On November 26 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 15:41 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 12:52 Mocsta wrote: Slam. Come join us bud !! Fwiw I hope you are here still too! I am In OP Scum can delay kp .. so have 0 kp night1 and shoot twice night2 Ok. Even more my point then, see if they had 2kp normally this makes actually it still doesn't make sense. If they were blue hunting and wanted to make sure Cora woulda 100% died. Either they weren't here or were thinking doc stuff? But why wouldn't they consolidate the shot either way.
I am wifoming myself here. I begin to think the Thrawn kill was significant though because I'm looking at Chezinu. But that still doesn't make sense because they would kill me. Or maybe they disagree with Cora :s
K what else do we have though. Why is Chezinu scum so quickly to others ?
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On November 26 2013 15:53 Onegu wrote: Slam I have a red check, do you believe it or not, vote me if you believe and then vote for 24 hour day as the red check will be all anyone really talks about except HF being scum with me as you can see. ...
If I missed it you want me to see?
What?
... Ok WIFOM are you related to Risen? Thanks I guess? Or NSAM? What are you trying to accomplish lol
A check is strong indication, but it isn't proof... Unless, let me reread the op
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Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication...
Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated?
Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff
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On November 26 2013 15:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 15:53 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 15:41 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 12:52 Mocsta wrote: Slam. Come join us bud !! Fwiw I hope you are here still too! I am In OP Scum can delay kp .. so have 0 kp night1 and shoot twice night2 Ok. Even more my point then, see if they had 2kp normally this makes actually it still doesn't make sense. If they were blue hunting and wanted to make sure Cora woulda 100% died. Either they weren't here or were thinking doc stuff? But why wouldn't they consolidate the shot either way. I am wifoming myself here. I begin to think the Thrawn kill was significant though because I'm looking at Chezinu. But that still doesn't make sense because they would kill me. Or maybe they disagree with Cora :s K what else do we have though. Why is Chezinu scum so quickly to others ? How much of the thread have you read.. I can't follow where you ate coming from, because I dont know how much u might be missing. I am missing everything before I replaced. Today was busy and I looked at LXIII and also I'm not wholly caught up on current events. Also, I like how Chezinu is approaching his replace, seeing what people do NOW and determining who is what. Reads that don't make any sense will be criticized, and old info will be brought back by others.
This way, we don't fall back and can still be useful.
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I still don't get why two claimed blues both survived though. I'm not so much worried about Cora as HolyFlare.
I don't care if scum sent their pm at the start of the night and were gone, HF had claimed. There was no reason not to shoot HF. That might be exactly what they want me to think, but it seems most people have Holyflare as scummy nonetheless. Is HF scummy for no other reason than his claim?
Of course in the event he is doctor that is a really stupid lynch.
Yeah. I threw my thoughts Down making this post and so you can read my conclusion forming before your eyes! XD
##Vote: Onegu
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On November 26 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 16:04 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 15:55 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 15:53 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 15:41 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 12:52 Mocsta wrote: Slam. Come join us bud !! Fwiw I hope you are here still too! I am In OP Scum can delay kp .. so have 0 kp night1 and shoot twice night2 Ok. Even more my point then, see if they had 2kp normally this makes actually it still doesn't make sense. If they were blue hunting and wanted to make sure Cora woulda 100% died. Either they weren't here or were thinking doc stuff? But why wouldn't they consolidate the shot either way. I am wifoming myself here. I begin to think the Thrawn kill was significant though because I'm looking at Chezinu. But that still doesn't make sense because they would kill me. Or maybe they disagree with Cora :s K what else do we have though. Why is Chezinu scum so quickly to others ? How much of the thread have you read.. I can't follow where you ate coming from, because I dont know how much u might be missing. I am missing everything before I replaced. Today was busy and I looked at LXIII and also I'm not wholly caught up on current events. Also, I like how Chezinu is approaching his replace, seeing what people do NOW and determining who is what. Reads that don't make any sense will be criticized, and old info will be brought back by others. This way, we don't fall back and can still be useful. do you realise that no one is actually pushing chezinu? It's onegu vs Corazon Last I was in the thread people were saying he was scum claiming with Scib, which makes no sense in light of other things, but Cora had him on a scum list and as cop how he reads the game is critical.
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Dude Cora is so town. anyone questioning that is seeing the world differently from me.
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On November 26 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote: So it's 5-3 and MYLO
Cora fake claim could be an awesome start to finish off the game but I prefer his play as town. And the sudden change on sciberbia does seem hard to fake.
I much prefer hf giving up and deciding to copy the blszinghand fake doc claim strat. This buys them another cycle and possibly gets a mislynch.
Fact. Holyflare has nothing nothing all game. Corazon has been present all cycles.
Yes scum is Hf, onegu, chezinu
Mocsta nobody pushing Chezinu?
Please, bear in mind what I said of him.
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On November 26 2013 16:20 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 15:59 Alakaslam wrote: Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication...
Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated?
Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff Im exasperated, my own fault I cant convey my thoughts clearly, and I look scummy but I do in every town game I play, kinda why I joined a bootcamp game to get feedback, and then a red check on me I expect it to be believed. But then coupled with what I will say on cora later in my case and my green flip, if we dont get endgame with my flip I really still believe we can pull this out if town gets to day 4. Because it will be obvious cora is scum. Then I will spoiler the connections cora has with mocsta so you can add that to my case on mocsta, and when I flip please, please, please read it give it a chance and see where I am comeing from. If you actully read it and disagree with it fine but read it that is really all I ask. Of course this is assumeing we dont get endgame post. K Onegu what you are doing I have seen before. And some sage put it to rest.
Here, I will paraphrase as it is a game in progress.
Your options are, if you are town: 1: push your own lynch, then have your confirmed reads given after another round of night kills with no certainty that you are right (unless it's that good; in which case) 2: give the reads+reasons now, and if they are really really good, people may listen now and not lynch you and possibly hit scum (because this list assumes you aren't, so it's a "duh" higher chance) and if they aren't, people will discuss them and maybe figure something out from the discussion 3: focus on defending, which may or may not work and leaves town with nothing after your flip.
Note, since 2 is the best option, I will have 4 be it's corruption: 4: you can give hostile reads and Rayne yourself, and even if your reads are good then because you didn't give them in a level headed manner nobody reads them even if you flip green or blue.
Of course if you are scum it doesn't matter and your team should just bus you now.
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On November 26 2013 16:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote: So it's 5-3 and MYLO
Cora fake claim could be an awesome start to finish off the game but I prefer his play as town. And the sudden change on sciberbia does seem hard to fake.
I much prefer hf giving up and deciding to copy the blszinghand fake doc claim strat. This buys them another cycle and possibly gets a mislynch.
Fact. Holyflare has nothing nothing all game. Corazon has been present all cycles.
Yes scum is Hf, onegu, chezinu
Mocsta nobody pushing Chezinu? Please, bear in mind what I said of him. Here's the problem Bereft is townier than you or cheZ If you want to stick up for chez, process of elimination leaves just you. So whose scum: you or chezinu? Lol... We can deal with this after the lynch. As an aside. Chez replaced jampidampi. Did you read my jampi case? Cos we know onegu hasn't (to comment on it as asked) Well in that case fire away at Chezinu, but I have sorrow over it. But then, as scum he is probably crafty to answer my query.
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On November 26 2013 16:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote: So it's 5-3 and MYLO
Cora fake claim could be an awesome start to finish off the game but I prefer his play as town. And the sudden change on sciberbia does seem hard to fake.
I much prefer hf giving up and deciding to copy the blszinghand fake doc claim strat. This buys them another cycle and possibly gets a mislynch.
Fact. Holyflare has nothing nothing all game. Corazon has been present all cycles.
Yes scum is Hf, onegu, chezinu
Mocsta nobody pushing Chezinu? Please, bear in mind what I said of him. Here's the problem Bereft is townier than you or cheZ If you want to stick up for chez, process of elimination leaves just you. So whose scum: you or chezinu? Lol... We can deal with this after the lynch. As an aside. Chez replaced jampidampi. Did you read my jampi case? Cos we know onegu hasn't (to comment on it as asked) And actually no, there is WIFOM. If this is a masterful Cora fake claim-
Oh wait then we lose because Cora is clairvoyant (XD) and will SVENGALI us to his victory. But remember, from my perspective if Chezinu isn't, you take my place... of course I know nothing of bereft so far, so maybe I would just disagree with you in general if Chezinu wasn't scum..
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On November 26 2013 16:34 Mocsta wrote: Its ok slam.
One scum at a time. Onegu first.
I'm having real trouble thinking you are scum. You actually sound like you are having fun and aren't spamming useless stuff. It's just fresch aire, I'm getting pounded in two other games. I did an offsite replace, maybe wasn't smart...
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On November 26 2013 16:46 Mocsta wrote: Slam Are you town?
Would you lie to me? K
I have never understood why people ask this. No, Mocsta, I'm scum. I give up now because you asked. Because I would never lie to you.
???
What is expected from that question lol!
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On November 26 2013 16:47 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On November 26 2013 16:20 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 15:59 Alakaslam wrote: Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication...
Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated?
Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff Im exasperated, my own fault I cant convey my thoughts clearly, and I look scummy but I do in every town game I play, kinda why I joined a bootcamp game to get feedback, and then a red check on me I expect it to be believed. But then coupled with what I will say on cora later in my case and my green flip, if we dont get endgame with my flip I really still believe we can pull this out if town gets to day 4. Because it will be obvious cora is scum. Then I will spoiler the connections cora has with mocsta so you can add that to my case on mocsta, and when I flip please, please, please read it give it a chance and see where I am comeing from. If you actully read it and disagree with it fine but read it that is really all I ask. Of course this is assumeing we dont get endgame post. K Onegu what you are doing I have seen before. And some sage put it to rest. Here, I will paraphrase as it is a game in progress. Your options are, if you are town: 1: push your own lynch, then have your confirmed reads given after another round of night kills with no certainty that you are right (unless it's that good; in which case) 2: give the reads+reasons now, and if they are really really good, people may listen now and not lynch you and possibly hit scum (because this list assumes you aren't, so it's a "duh" higher chance) and if they aren't, people will discuss them and maybe figure something out from the discussion 3: focus on defending, which may or may not work and leaves town with nothing after your flip. Note, since 2 is the best option, I will have 4 be it's corruption: 4: you can give hostile reads and Rayne yourself, and even if your reads are good then because you didn't give them in a level headed manner nobody reads them even if you flip green or blue. Of course if you are scum it doesn't matter and your team should just bus you now. I will do two, and have been. Will give a cora case before lynch. I cannot do three because I know my town play doesnt look good and I wasnt active day one due to irl reasons, so I wont defend myself from a red check, I have addressed coras case on me and showed why it is incorrect. About Jamps case I have to do some fact checking because iirc at the time when jamp said that he agreed I thought he was talking about someone elses point on aqua not thrawn. But I will also show cora does the same thing you are calling out jamp though. 2 times cora gives merit to a case but doesnt think it is a good time. Also the held back part he isnt talking about aqua. He is talking out cora and scib. And then talking about consolidateing if he has to, he never takes back his read. Then he gives rayn a town read but votes his scum read in aqua. Help me with your thought process when I get back, Ill post my thoughts and concerns and you let me know in a bit. Ill be back in a bit. Two is the only townie option anyway. But you are kind of doing one? Minus pushing yourself?
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X-May that if you come back with those reads before deadline.
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Actually that whole thing is Austinmcc, I think.
Remember I said it was from another game's drama that I learned. A daw may have Greek in it's bill.
Onegu is doing very nearly what another person is getting over doing- it was such a recent association, I did not forget.
So... No more me talking about games in progress!! >
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On November 26 2013 23:52 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 23:50 Holyflare wrote:On November 26 2013 23:48 Chezinu wrote: cDgCorazon (0): thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Onegu, thrawn2112, sciberbia, Holyflare Aquanim (2): thrawn2112. Mocsta, jampidampi, cDgCorazon, Rean, raynpelikoneet Rean (0): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, raynpelikoneet, Bereft, Mocsta, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet Onegu (0): sciberbia, thrawn2112 Bereft (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet Mocsta (0): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet (8): thrawn2112, Mocsta. Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Bereft, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112, Holyflare, sciberbia, raynpelikoneet jampidampi (0): raynpelikoneet Mocsta (1): Onegu, raynpelikoneet JarJarDrinks (0): raynpelikoneet No-Lynch (1): cDgCorazon
Bereft (0): thrawn2112 Alakaslam (1): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Mocsta Chezinu (1): Mocsta, thrawn2112, Mocsta, thrawn2112 Onegu (0): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Aquanim, thrawn2112, cDgCorazon, Chezinu JarJarDrinks (6): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta, thrawn2112, Bereft, thrawn2112, Mocsta, Aquanim, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, Mocsta sciberbia (0): Mocsta, Chezinu Holyflare (1): Bereft, Aquanim, Chezinu Mocsta (2): Bereft, Onegu, Holyflare Thrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon
It may be time for the rising star to face the dragon. yes yes we get it your read was wrong and now you have to battle cora in an epic fight, glhfgg You have broken the Chezinu Rule. It will not be forgotten.. except you may not qualify for the rule.. Chezinu Rule only applies to those who have never played with Chez before.
Chezinu, thine adoring pupil asks, did I break the Chezinu rule?
I must rea the house as soon as games in progress finish
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On November 27 2013 01:38 cDgCorazon wrote: On a break. A few questions for people:
@Holyflare A couple of things. Can you explain your thrawn save N1 again for me? Why are you lurking at the deadline and not participating in the discussion or giving out your reads if you are town?
@Alakaslam You told us that Chezinu is town but you never gave any evidence for it and never suggested an alternate scum member. How come?
@Chezinu Who's "true color" did you attempt to find out last night? Excuse me Cora, need to be strict with your reading of me. I phrase things.
I said IF he is town, we need to not kill him, and I DID give the reason, which is Thrawn's post regarding Chezinu's ability to use the power of CHUPAZI to determine alignments with unusual skill.
Also there was my selfish query, which, if you tried, Chezinu, would be "white", if you aren't lying...
Still catching up.
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Your writing is just like mine Onegu XD
Yeah, uh, ##Unvote
I feel silly yet that is how Svengali works, and it is artful. Unless millers etc but with the arrival of Chezinu, I am suspect of extreme arts and epic plays of the scum...
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So why is Holyflare so certainly scum again? Can't have been too scummy if a red check was stronger, but...
Another thing to think about is if Cora is fake claiming and Onegu is a mislynch target, why not build on what appears to already have been there with holy? Unless scum together etc, this makes HF being scum basically = Cora is scum. But if HF is town, why is Cora doing this?
Or Chezinu is the false one and Cora is simply doing what he should with a miller, framed, or really really way too tryhard scum XD
And in fact, I never take notes because I can't, physically impossible where I play from. There is shame here- yet I will do my best...
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Frankly, thus far I more agree with Bereft than with cDgCorazon.
##Vote: Holyflare
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On November 27 2013 11:41 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 11:30 cDgCorazon wrote: Moc you are being a hypocrite right now. You took the town by the balls D1 with your ego battle w/Rayn and now you are complaining that I am doing the same? You're full of it.
Corazon. If you want to discuss mafia theory, we can save it for the post game. In shirt youncan afford mislynchrs day1. Obviously you can not in MYLO. Bereft, scibs and myself do not doubt your claim. I believe you are town and also the cop. Fact is. Checks are susceptible to tampering. My best scum read is holyflare hence the vote. What bereft wrote is a very sound approach to dealing with this MYLO situation. It has. Nothing to do with the validity of your contributions. We win as town TOGETHER, no one stands tall. Join us, because without your vote scum is able to hop off holyflare last minute leading to a no lynch and game over. That's when your contributions DO become wasted. You can add me to that list.
We run with heads cut off.
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On November 27 2013 11:31 Holyflare wrote: Dat aggression!!!! love it Rly? You are def. scum
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On November 27 2013 12:56 cDgCorazon wrote: I don't give a shit about anyone else's arguments because no one gives a shit about mine.
Now I have the power and you all are trying in vain to get me to listen to you. Do you understand that me listening to you was what got us into this mess? Rayn was a bad lynch and I only voted for JJD for consolidation. I'm done listening to anyone else because no one ever started listening to me.
It's either Onegu or no-lynch. Your choice. Keep it in onegu, ppl will know where you stand.
What power? You mean DT power?
Yes yes we aren't supposed to direct you anyway. Use it at your discretion, not ours!
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On November 27 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Power=4 town on HF and 1 town on Onegu...they can't get a majority w/o me Chezinu?
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On November 27 2013 13:06 Mocsta wrote: Scibs How do you want to play this?
Corazon what you are blackmailing us with is far worse than policy lynching someone day1.. far worse. It doesn't matter if you are correct, what you are doing is a cheap cop out.
And if you were hosting I'm pretty sure you would be devesated if the game denigrated to what you are pushing.
Whatever, my vote staying. Your fault if we lose to mislynch
/peace out
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Chezinu? -_-
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Oh yeah holy will voteswitch
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Cora is it not apparent that HF is also scum?
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On November 27 2013 13:09 cDgCorazon wrote: Man fuck you guys. I can't even fake-claim Investigator to get you guys to lynch my read. What do I have to do? Hack into Gmarshal's computer to find Onegu's role pm and post it in the thread? You guys are so ridiculous. Maybe have patience? Who was against voting him tomorrow?
And seeing that was a fake claim I now just feel betrayed frankly. I was listening to you after all but with reservations. I was quite set to lynch ONEGU tomorrow if nothing else came up, then something did: you believe he took those notes as scum?
It's possible but highly unlikely, it's hard to read though XD
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Why not?
Chezinu at least looks a lot better as I thought, but again I hearken to my nazi rowing the lifeboat.
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On November 27 2013 13:17 cDgCorazon wrote: I've been bullied and not taken seriously all game for no reason. Next time, vote me out of playing the game if you don't want to play with me.
Because of your abuse, we are going to lose the game. Gratz. You mean Holyflare?
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I don't understand about bullying though, who? I did not to my knowledge, I am over that. I have realized to maintain my individual outlook on something through positivity is better, have you seen any day9 AMA? Relentless positivity?
It doesn't work as well as he claims but it isn't useless either
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Oh. I haven't read the game much still :facepalm: because Chezinu has a point :D
Just make sure you don't give anyone reasons.
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Read the house of Chezinu! Pm him a bit, I am sure he is able and willing to give pointers (?)
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On November 27 2013 13:26 cDgCorazon wrote:@Slam for referance Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote:@Thrawn: First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously: Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them). Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this: On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up: On November 23 2013 10:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote:On November 23 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:32 Aquanim wrote: @Corazon I'd like to see your thoughts on Jampidampi. No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that. You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu? Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch. Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was. So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence. He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read. <Insert Corazon post> This post is scummy/a scum slip/is bad/something a scum would say. Corazon looks bad/scummy/like he is scum. <No vote> Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others. Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line. Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/ You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle. Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run. Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say. ...precisely?
I mean this. By your own logic, why is anyone bullying you?
Maybe the better question is can you prove you didn't start it?
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Rather is anyone asserting Cora started this?
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On November 27 2013 13:35 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 13:32 Alakaslam wrote: Rather is anyone asserting Cora started this? Aqua/JJD/Mocsta made at least 5 posts in the format I suggested. I'm too lazy to filter dive them all but that is what started the bullying. I had a bit of a meltdown D2 about it. But it was random?
I'm surprised it wasn't Rayne, he is savage at the drop of a pin sometimes
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On November 27 2013 13:39 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote: This is a fucking farce.
Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real?
Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed.
Why are you still assuming I'm scum?? I don't like this post. It looks scummy That is how people get their points across
(Though I don't red stuff)
It's a FoS, it isn't a ihu
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On November 27 2013 13:43 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 13:41 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 13:35 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 27 2013 13:32 Alakaslam wrote: Rather is anyone asserting Cora started this? Aqua/JJD/Mocsta made at least 5 posts in the format I suggested. I'm too lazy to filter dive them all but that is what started the bullying. I had a bit of a meltdown D2 about it. But it was random? I'm surprised it wasn't Rayne, he is savage at the drop of a pin sometimes Is this convo heading towards solving the game slam? Looks like you just talking shit to me. Maybe! I'd rather the game didn't require yet another replace, for one, and two, if Cora is a better player overall TL benefits. So yeah, it very well could.
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On November 27 2013 13:44 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 13:39 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote: This is a fucking farce.
Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real?
Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed.
Why are you still assuming I'm scum?? I don't like this post. It looks scummy That is how people get their points across (Though I don't red stuff) It's a FoS, it isn't a ihu No, they did it multiple times and didn't follow up on it at all. Btw Moc: Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) . You so dislike the term mobster, you prefer to consider yourself a business man. You've never been implicated by the police, despite the dozen or so murders your family stands accused of. You are very much a neo-capitalist, having abandoned the old comunist regime at the height of the cold war, your ancient KGB connections still serve you well, allowing you to operate in the gray area between law and crime that is oh so difficult to pin down. Crush those who would bring down your "business" This is my real role That always happens. That probably means they dropped them. If not maybe they are just as scummy.
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Well you don't lack confidence at all. Here I differ greatly, I am paranoid.
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On November 27 2013 13:57 Bereft wrote: cora THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. this is about lynching someone who is certainly scum vs someone who is almost certainly scum. why are you being like this?? this is the safe play here. this has nothing to do with us discounting your reads. nobody is bullying you. nobody put any worth in my JJD town read either or my mocsta case. I don't mind. I dropped my mocsta case in large part because of your town read. You put things a lot better than I do.
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On November 27 2013 13:57 Bereft wrote: cora THIS IS NOT IN SPITE OF YOU. this is about lynching someone who is certainly scum vs someone who is almost certainly scum. why are you being like this?? this is the safe play here. this has nothing to do with us discounting your reads. nobody is bullying you. nobody put any worth in my JJD town read either or my mocsta case. I don't mind. I dropped my mocsta case in large part because of your town read. However, ftfy
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On November 27 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 13:57 Bereft wrote: cora THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. this is about lynching someone who is certainly scum vs someone who is almost certainly scum. why are you being like this?? this is the safe play here. this has nothing to do with us discounting your reads. nobody is bullying you. nobody put any worth in my JJD town read either or my mocsta case. I don't mind. I dropped my mocsta case in large part because of your town read. No, you guys are discounting my reads. You've done it all game. I had to motivate about 6 people to read my Onegu case. Why should that be? Several people promised to vote for Onegu and LIED TO ME. Flat out lied to me and reneged on their promises. I want to lynch Onegu, how hard of a request is that? He's going to flip scum because I spent 72 hours attacking him in all the right ways and poked a hole in every single argument he has made. And now Mocsta and Sciberia think he is town? Like WTF is this? I'm done not being taken seriously. You should have done it D1 and especially D2. Now I have the power and you all want to throw the game? It's pretty sad. If a man believes he will meet someone at a given time and doesn't show, doesn't call to explain, and has no further interaction for a week, did he lie?
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On November 27 2013 14:05 Bereft wrote: do you not care about winning? are you not even willing to consider the possibility that you COULD be wrong? onegu is a good lynch. but holyflare is the perfect one. I don't know what else to say. I'm disappointed. play with your head and not with your heart, corazon. Ftfy
Fwiw we could use more the rest of TL attitude here
I am guilty of degenerating but I'm trying to remove the mire
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On November 27 2013 14:06 cDgCorazon wrote: If this town cared about winning JJD and Rayn would still be alive. ...
I do care about lxiii. I take offense? I lynched town Rayne there, and with vengeance. He raged blue fire at me. I'm hoping he'll call it pax next game.
That is definitely fallacious though.
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On November 27 2013 14:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 14:06 cDgCorazon wrote: If this town cared about winning JJD and Rayn would still be alive. Says the guy that participated I'm going to say this politely. Stop being a CUNT How about you stop acting all hostile like Rayne?
Pretty soon if I see more of this I am just going to make a blog challenging all the hostile people on here and seeing if they have a life. Do you all live in some butt ugly city covered in smog such that mafia wincons are more important to you than being civil?
I go snow skiing when possible, and enjoy motor sports. I am really good at target shooting, and play paintball. (Don't like air soft). I play video games, love 'em but am terrible at them. I also play hearts, settlers of Catan, mahjong, monopoly, and occasional others. I have taken flying lessons, and at about 12 hours I discovered it is too expensive. However, when I can I water ski.
I am also socially inept, and have an autism spectrum disorder. Why rage in mafia? Step back, and check out the grand scheme of things. Someone is so put off by what is going on, that they are taking the game personally. Getting personal about it doesn't help, why are YOU taking their messing up the game personal?
That being said, Cora you kind of are seeing all this in the most negative possible light.
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On November 27 2013 14:18 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 14:07 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 14:05 Bereft wrote: do you not care about winning? are you not even willing to consider the possibility that you COULD be wrong? onegu is a good lynch. but holyflare is the perfect one. I don't know what else to say. I'm disappointed. play with your head and not with your heart, corazon. Ftfy Fwiw we could use more the rest of TL attitude here I am guilty of degenerating but I'm trying to remove the mire what's ftfy? and LOL did you just censor my post? Fixed that for you.
"Censor". You could at that XD but I'm not a mod.
Yeah, dispense with the hostilities they aren't necessary at all. Neither are they helping.
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On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote: holy is scum. cora is town.
alright public announcement. listen up scummers:
whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last. Well I'm already there.
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On November 27 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote: Yeah. Same conclusion scib.
Cept I don't see chezinu being blue.
Well it's 5 to vote. So unless Corazon votes with us, it's gg
Hence why I would consider voting onegu if Corazon is going to throw this game away out of spite. Took a quick peek I'm at other game for now but I'll toss this in,
He claimed it, against Cora. Really scummy or maybe think he thought Cora was scum as it was honest, etc but there is WIFOM. Basically if not red probably our actual cop. One drawback to fc that isn't being mentioned and doesn't need to be. Just thought I'd clear that up as I still think Chezinu is vital to town victory.
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On November 27 2013 15:57 Mocsta wrote: If he's cop. Who'd he check?
I missed the claim so guess I haven't been reading him carefully. You mean who did his slot check.
-_-
But I feel stupid from the other game, I am really sorry but peace out i need to sleep off feeling sheepish
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On November 28 2013 02:13 Bereft wrote:alright cora, I really didn't want to claim. we haven't solved this game yet and could use mafia wasting a KP. but if you won't listen to reason maybe you'll listen to COLD HARD FACTS. I know for a fact HF is not town because I'm the veteran. think about it - why do you think as soon as you claimed blue I became so confident in my HF read? I knew there was no chance in hell we had 3 blue roles in the game. and between you and HF, HF was lying. why do you think I was so paranoid about a red power role affecting your cop check? I knew if there was a vet AND a cop in the game, there being a red power role is a certainty. why do you think I asked HF to post his flavor and immediately knew that gmarshal didn't write it as soon as I saw it? it's completely different than mine, the blue role isn't bolded, half of it is a run on sentence... why else would HF not post his flavor as soon as he claimed vet? I'd bet all my TL dollars he was desperately waiting for gmarshal to send him some fluff and had to churn something out under the gun. Show nested quote +Original Message From GMarshal: Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are James Joseph Bulger a Mob Boss (Veteran). You are the leader of the local racketeering business, and for a price your organization will protect your clients from competition, thieves, and the police. Your importance to the organization gives you the ability to evade the police for one night. If targeted by the police, your right-hand minion will shield you from any attempts to shoot or arrest you, protecting you from one kp. You will be told if there was an attempt on your life. Don't let your minions sacrifice themselves in vain - flush out the cops! I'm serving you a scummer on a silver platter right now. please don't throw away the game because you are too proud. the Greeks have a word for this - it's called hubris. I once quoted a political post by p4ndemic in my profile. He told it how it is with regard to pride.
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May the turkey be happy.
I agree with Mocsta out of necessity. Who else is there? But I was pretty sure ONEGU was town with those notes, Bamcis play.
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On November 29 2013 11:45 Bereft wrote:I totally missed this earlier: Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 18:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote: Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing. LOl.. so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now? Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL... Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip. You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua. blszinghand Scumslips do exist. We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips. We got ourselves here scum boys n girls. funny how HF made the exact same mistake. Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote: Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,
##Unvote ##Vote Bereft Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE BEREFT the fact that he's willing to hammer HF even though he suspects me pretty much confirms it -- an onegu lynch day 4 a no-brainer. and i did promise that the first scum to vote HF would be spared for last, so it's only fair. now it's just a matter of confirming slammer is town. slammer! what is this? a confession??Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 14:25 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote: holy is scum. cora is town.
alright public announcement. listen up scummers:
whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last. Well I'm already there. i feel pretty good about chezinu being the last scum; this is probably massive WIFOM, but when it becomes clear to HF he'll be lynched, suddenly chezinu becomes one of his scum reads (along with me + cora) and he even writes a case on it. i just don't think he'd have his final scum reads be 3 townies and bother to write a long case on a townie when he's moments from flipping red. also, rean's filter is more townie than jampi's in my opinion. Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote:Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style: On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence., 1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule 2. You have lied to the family. 3. You have left the family for another. 4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead. ##Vote Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +1. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't need an explanation 2. + Show Spoiler +3. + Show Spoiler +4. + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)? On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.) Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam. The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later. As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like. As for Holyflare: - I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here - I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch - He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement. - Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute) A quick aside re. Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them... maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.) Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway. In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it. (tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}) Last-minute additions:Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet. He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me. The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect. He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me. Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team. lol
Yes. I confess I failed I see who that was directed at XD
It wasn't even a valid statement, I was late to that train anyway.
I am so scummy
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Well, here are two fake blue claims. Is bereft claim the third? XD
But that doesn't matter either anyway, apparently.
Chezinu successfully drew a scum shot, kudos to him- if bereft is right, that saved him because scum would have needed to delay to get two shots on Bereft. Since Chezinu had a lot of suspicion, this is a great play by him!
However, this implicates me doesn't it.
I am so scummy every game man. It's solved pretty much for now, lynch Onegu and then we have to figure it out after then...
Couldn't be Cora, moc is making all the solutions, bereft claimed blue and has apparently been a town voice all game, as has been Sciberia.
Moc are you sure Cora can't be scum?
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On November 29 2013 11:45 Bereft wrote:I totally missed this earlier: Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 18:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote: Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing. LOl.. so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now? Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL... Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip. You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua. blszinghand Scumslips do exist. We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips. We got ourselves here scum boys n girls. funny how HF made the exact same mistake. Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote: Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,
##Unvote ##Vote Bereft Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE BEREFT the fact that he's willing to hammer HF even though he suspects me pretty much confirms it -- an onegu lynch day 4 a no-brainer. and i did promise that the first scum to vote HF would be spared for last, so it's only fair. now it's just a matter of confirming slammer is town. slammer! what is this? a confession?? Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 14:25 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote: holy is scum. cora is town.
alright public announcement. listen up scummers:
whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last. Well I'm already there. i feel pretty good about chezinu being the last scum; this is probably massive WIFOM, but when it becomes clear to HF he'll be lynched, suddenly chezinu becomes one of his scum reads (along with me + cora) and he even writes a case on it. i just don't think he'd have his final scum reads be 3 townies and bother to write a long case on a townie when he's moments from flipping red. also, rean's filter is more townie than jampi's in my opinion.Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote:Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style: On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence., 1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule 2. You have lied to the family. 3. You have left the family for another. 4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead. ##Vote Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +1. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't need an explanation 2. + Show Spoiler +3. + Show Spoiler +4. + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)? On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.) Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam. The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later. As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like. As for Holyflare: - I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here - I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch - He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement. - Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute) A quick aside re. Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them... maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.) Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway. In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it. (tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}) Last-minute additions:Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet. He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me. The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect. He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me. Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team. I am looking at this and liking it, however, Chezinu flipped town.
Mocsta has laid down a pretty strong case for Cora and HF not being scum together, so either you were wrong there or you are scum...
But seeing how this was wrong, maybe Mocsta has a flaw in that same comparison. But I have seen CONF bias and I'm not gonna fall for it. Mocsta could be epic scum for all we know ATM, it's just most likely not the case (as with bereft, sciberia, I wish me)
There is a lot of uncertainty out there and I think the thread shouldn't be as dead as it is...
+ Show Spoiler +(Read in GLaDOS voice) ...hello? Hello?
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On November 30 2013 16:25 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 14:45 Alakaslam wrote:On November 29 2013 11:45 Bereft wrote:I totally missed this earlier: On November 26 2013 18:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote: Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing. LOl.. so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now? Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL... Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip. You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua. blszinghand Scumslips do exist. We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips. We got ourselves here scum boys n girls. funny how HF made the exact same mistake. On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote: Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,
##Unvote ##Vote Bereft Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE BEREFT the fact that he's willing to hammer HF even though he suspects me pretty much confirms it -- an onegu lynch day 4 a no-brainer. and i did promise that the first scum to vote HF would be spared for last, so it's only fair. now it's just a matter of confirming slammer is town. slammer! what is this? a confession?? On November 27 2013 14:25 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote: holy is scum. cora is town.
alright public announcement. listen up scummers:
whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last. Well I'm already there. i feel pretty good about chezinu being the last scum; this is probably massive WIFOM, but when it becomes clear to HF he'll be lynched, suddenly chezinu becomes one of his scum reads (along with me + cora) and he even writes a case on it. i just don't think he'd have his final scum reads be 3 townies and bother to write a long case on a townie when he's moments from flipping red. also, rean's filter is more townie than jampi's in my opinion.On November 28 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote:Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style: On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence., 1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule 2. You have lied to the family. 3. You have left the family for another. 4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead. ##Vote Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +1. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't need an explanation 2. + Show Spoiler +3. + Show Spoiler +4. + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)? On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.) Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam. The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later. As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like. As for Holyflare: - I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here - I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch - He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement. - Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute) A quick aside re. Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them... maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.) Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway. In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it. (tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}) Last-minute additions:Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet. He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me. The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect. He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me. Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team. I am looking at this and liking it, however, Chezinu flipped town. Mocsta has laid down a pretty strong case for Cora and HF not being scum together, so either you were wrong there or you are scum...But seeing how this was wrong, maybe Mocsta has a flaw in that same comparison. But I have seen CONF bias and I'm not gonna fall for it. Mocsta could be epic scum for all we know ATM, it's just most likely not the case (as with bereft, sciberia, I wish me) There is a lot of uncertainty out there and I think the thread shouldn't be as dead as it is... + Show Spoiler +(Read in GLaDOS voice) ...hello? Hello? hmm. it's funny you like that bolded bit. because i was about to retract it after i wrote it pre- the night post for being horrible WIFOM / logix, but i couldn't be bothered because while i didn't like the means, i stood by the end conclusion (that chez was scum). can you expand on what you mean by that bolded part above? how does mocsta's case on why cora must be town relate to my bad logic on why chezinu was scum?
I like this, in that it isn't scummy, but it's either wrong or you are scum.
You don't see the point that makes? Just the one you just made.
In other words, I am liking you for town, but I'm not sure I would follow you too readily.
I am going to filter the first oblige for a while, but AMA I am on for a bit.
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I was gonna Unvote but now we are consolidating...
Cora, old Mocsta looks bad enough but so do I. I dislike looking at people from the perspective that they are scum, it's like purposely getting confirmation bias.
Couple that with new Mocsta and I say, don't. I think he is on the right track, I also admit I was generally ignoring sciberia as established town (much like ignoring bereft; I mean not filter diving looking for scum). May be time to do that!
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Sciberbia
What did that claim do. You should have just used the power, now scum is guaranteed shoot you. It's now do or die or you.
Then again that was already the case...
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On December 03 2013 12:12 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:09 Mocsta wrote: Another thing that annoyed me was the thread dying both times I wasn't here.
Like I was the only person that filter dived holyflare and chezinu.
This is unacceptable. the sad part is that I would have voted scib and slam (last of course - he played along the best)... I still don't get he motive behind cDgCorazon. Can't wait to hear the explanation. I am over the moon with this post good sir
Dude I had no Idea we won is that bad
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On December 03 2013 12:15 ObviousOne wrote: Highlights from my QT, I won't share everything some of it was purely venting / something to write at since the analysts couldn't be my ears.
ObviousOnePerson was signed in when posted 11-21-2013 12:46 PM ET (US)
Okay so I can't really share my thoughts in the Analysts QT/Skype conversation so I will write them here. First thing: Rayn is going full retard with this "my town flip will confirm Mocsta and Bereft are scum". a) I know it's wrong by virtue of being co-host which is useless analysis but leads to point b. b)He goads people to vote for him, then uses different heuristics to gauge who/how people vote for him. There's no central theme to this except that he did something ridiculous and used that as the basis (what seems to be part meta, part Mocsta-logic (see TL Noir)) but really all traces back to him making a stupid move to begin with. The basis for that move? "No real opposition to the Rean lynch"
Let's fact check that for a moment. Oh look, Aquanim is also at 4 votes. So 8 of 12 votes accounted for, and he's blaming what could potentially be called general bad town play -- nobody is discussing why Rean is a bad lynch, or why Aquanim is a bad lynch, simply stating so in absolutes -- on the fact that it's a mislynch and "doing something about it" entitles him do this whacky move and use what he knows as a town lynch as leverage to lynch two other people.
What he doesn't know is that Bereft has a claim at his hands which he may or may not divulge unless he's seriously on the chopping block, and he's doing a great job at scum hunting so far from what I've seen despite not having a commanding thread presence. Mocsta (besides nailing two scum so far, I believe) is playing this pretty level-headed in comparison and pushing for Rayn's lynch for his actions is reasonable; at times I think it's almost necessary to lynch Rayn just for this move entirely.
Other than that, there were 5 votes on scum today and suddenly at this stage there are ZERO and it all traces back to Rayn's stunt.
ObviousOnePerson was signed in when posted 11-23-2013 05:20 AM ET (US)
Cora wants to know if Jampi will be modkilled. Confirmed mad.
No. Not responding to question. Jampi still fine. I he fails to post/vote for D2 then we shall see. Only rule he is breaking is GMarshal specific tidbit regarding activity being more than minimum and that's spelled out clearly enough.
Bereft doing it right going after the claimed doctor. They think someone else is doc so he will have to make it good in case he gets up for lynch. Counter-claim could be weird considering it's a protect on scum. Hopefully he spelled out a town read d1/n1.
Mafia getting town reads for really simple reasons / heuristics is kind of weird. Works in this environment considering the tumultuous day 1.
Thrawn especially guilty of above at this point. He's hiding his vote so maybe I'm wrong on that.
"bad aftertaste" I detest this for no rational reason because it's not a rational argument.
ObviousOnePerson was signed in when posted 11-24-2013 12:41 AM ET (US)
jampi down from the attitude /behavior of townies and has asked to be replaced apparently one of the scum team is MIA as well.
nobody responding to my request for replacements so there might be two modkills today, I'll leave it up to GM hopefully he'll be back from MLG by deadline.
raynpelikoneet 11-23-2013 08:42 PM ET (US) FUCKING IDIOTS THERE IS NO WAY HF IS SCUM! Rayn now 0/6 on reads, I think the only scum he has called is Rean and he doesn't seem to be talking about rean at all in the obs qt. Maybe he needs a break from mafia if he's getting all worked up when he's already dead... just saying.
ObviousOnePerson was signed in when posted 11-25-2013 08:38 AM ET (US)
As far as I know nobody else needs replacing. (rean) never got back to me hopefully nothing bad happened to him just tried checking in to see if he was okay and heard nothing back.
Super hard to not troll the analysts. Thankfully my Internet cut out for hours at a time.
Love how Chez has nailed 2 scum already and nobody realized it.
Thrawn vs Cora thing needs to die in a fire hopefully they have worked it out. Cora may need some interpersonal coaching (I'll take some lessons too) to get along with people in mafia.
You are so beautiful to me
Then I stopped writing stuff in the QT. Town did enough infighting that mafia just had to stand around nodding and gently prodding, if that was even necessary. The fake claim last night from scib was weird but I put my HEART AND SOUL INTO IT GODDAMNIT READ THAT GORGEOUS FLAVOR TEXT ABOUT A POLISH GUY that had absolutely no bearing on the game but was super fun to write.
RE: Replacements Jampi replaced out based on how he was treated in-game, I think GMarshal will be talking about this. Rean was ill and forgot about the game while trying to get better. Lonemeow ended up getting offered extra hours at work and took them thus replacing out. INDEED
CHEZINU
I fear him as scum
If slam is in game with chezinu be prepared for :O from alakafish
I knowest not how but I seek the way. . .
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no ack why you all write so fast
I can't keep up and I'm even on my laptop for once now
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On December 03 2013 12:27 Rean wrote: Sorry for the inactivity guys, was feeling out of it and figured I'd be okay if I skipped the first 24 hours of day but ended up forgetting about it entirely ._.
Also, I really dislike being scum, I felt so damn pressured and paniced anytime anyone even mentioned me. Thank god for Rayn <3 (please don't hate me now) no no on thank you you are the best
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On December 03 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote: need to not take acid during the middle of a mafia game.. maybe i would have been less eager to town read everyone for no reason
I've talked about why I'm bad for lynching rayn in the obs qt..
I think my other biggest problem was letting Corazon get on my nerves. I stopped caring during D2. I knew Cor was town... but what should I do in that situation? I didn't feel like there was any action I could take other than lynching Onegu that wouldn't end up with Corazon interrupting every single conversation I tried to start.
I wrote a lot more than this but it became more and more about other people instead of myself so I will stop here for now. I'll continue after... after the flames of passion have died down. then I don't need to take acid to be on aci-
DUDE KUSHMASTA YOU SEE THIS? BRIAN ENO
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On December 03 2013 12:51 Chezinu wrote: Slam, you were right in the scum qt. I would have known if you would have switched votes to save HF -- good play. The truth is I was being selfish. We both knew if the other die, the other would get lynched since we both replaced. That was a good argument you made early in the thread. Despite you copying my replacement methods to act as town, I chose the brown. So, I decided to ignore you at first and live til it was time for me to die after the Day of The Brown. Chezinu instills fear in the scum alakaslam
deep fear
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On December 03 2013 13:04 Chezinu wrote: The truth... I didn't really read the thread... so, I don't really have much post-analysis. I just did reactionary reads like I said. Based reads on breaking Chezinu Rule and contradictions in statements. Ditto the bold
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On December 03 2013 13:41 Bereft wrote:moc, why aren't i on your list?
Always ditto
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Caught up.
Basically, I rode high on Rean smallishness and replacing so I apologize for the abuse because scum apologize.
My postgame analysis: I am unskilled, I go to read House of Chezinu a few times
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On December 03 2013 18:08 sciberbia wrote:One thing I'd like some advice on is how to look townie in the first 4 hours of the game. Almost every game I play it seems someone calls me scummy based off my posts in the first 4 hours. And that was the only point at which I was under any serious pressure this game. I see a few different ways to play it: - talk about the setup
- make a hello post and then lurk
- try to FORCE scumhunting even if not much to go on (what I did this game)
- troll
- post nothing at all
Talking about the setup is somewhat productive IMO but people always call me scum for it. Making a hello post and then lurking is generally seen as scummy. When I try to force scumhunting people get mad that my cases are somewhat weak (what do you expect it's 2 hours into the game). I really dislike trolling at the start of the game. I find it really unproductive for town. I've never tried just saying nothing at all and making my first post later. It just doesn't sit right with me. I never actively lurk as town. Furthermore, someone has to find a way to generate discussion so who am I to make somebody else do it. Thoughts? If I told you you would know every time I was scum
Lol jk.
Basically, try to correct mistakes and point out logic flaws, add your own logic.
My problem is, that is basically all I know how todo as town.
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