EPTI'd also be down w/ killing a lurker. First instinct tells me jampi is the best lurker lynch but I'll read up more tomorrow.
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
I'd also be down w/ killing a lurker. First instinct tells me jampi is the best lurker lynch but I'll read up more tomorrow. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Bereft, I would like to know why you don't think we should lynch Onegu. I was really puzzled when you threw that read out (as were others) and I just want to know why you see Onegu in a good light. When you said you thought he was town I got this feeling that we weren't reading the same game. i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go. 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Bereft You stated Onegu is your town read. You filter four guys. Three which are your scumreads, and Onegu, your town read. That makes no sense given you have null-reads you should be filtering over your townreads in case you are trying to find scum. You are just following thread sentiment and it makes no sense. In fact you never even filter Aqua and Onegu after promising to do so. it was preemptive, because i know that's the read people want explained -- mocsta already explicitly asked for my rationale as to why onegu's my town read and cora has just done the same. i gave him a town read based on a gut read which i read from my phone. if i instinctively think someone's post reads town and my strong town reads think he's scummy, why would that not warrant a reread, especially when i know mocsta's already expecting an analysis breakdown? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
While I can agree with your analysis that Onegu's reads are "written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived", I don't think it makes Onegu town. Don't you think town would care about the lynch? It's one thing to throw out unpopular opinions but Onegu doesn't seem to care what is happening with the lynch. While it's important to not care too much, I think that Onegu isn't caring at all. I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that Onegu is town from his "lack of caring". In my opinion, it is the opposite. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:26 Rean wrote: How many fucking posts will I have to answer where people make statements WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING POST THEY'RE QUOTING. I, in exact words say I'm not trying to defend Cora and you see that as admitting to defending him? I was pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic because I didn't want him to use poor arguments that Cora could easily deflect. Is this wrong in your eyes? And your "it's not like he says", both things are the fucking same just differently worded. You can say you weren't trying to defend cora. But you were. Moc made an argument and you said it was flawed. There's no other way to interpret that. And you didn't even point out what you didn't like about mocstas case. WHy did you think that Moc was falling into the trap? How could cora have easily deflected his argument? By saying "Your logic is flawed because you think I'm scum." ? | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On November 21 2013 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: sciberbia could you share some insight in why are you so eager to defend Aquanim and why do you think he can't defend himself? In my opinion you should be trying to convince us to lynch Onegu as he seems to be your top lynch target. Instead of doing that you defend aqua - defend aqua - point out Rean's bad post - defend aqua. The dude can defend himself if he is town, it's not your job. Your job is - if you are town - to tell us why lynching Onegu is the right way to go in case you think he is the best lynch. atm you are doing anything else but that. Kinda makes me wonder why? @Rayn Until Onegu comes back to the thread there isn't anything else to say about him. Pretty much everyone, except Bereft, agrees with me that he is scummy. So my only recourse in my attempt to get Onegu lynched is to try to convince you that Aquanim is not scummy. @Bereft I see where you are coming from with the read on Onegu but I disagree with your conclusion. Onegu fooled me as scum in my previous game with him (Desert Mini) due to the same calm "don't give a fuck what you guys think -- not afraid to take heat" air about him. He's definitely capable of doing that as scum. I agree with what Cora said above. His lack of caring about the lynch is defintely more of a scumtell than a towntell. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
what I'm saying is, you said that you were "pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic". But saying that Moc is falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap is NOT a flaw in logic. It could explain why Moc was using faulty logic. But it's not a mistake in logic itself. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
i don't see a situation where a majority of the people here would prefer to lynch lonemeow or mocsta over rean, cora, or aqua. do you disagree? if i find 3 people scummy, should i not be analyzing the one i would most prefer to lynch? also FWIW i have looked at aqua's filter and my gut read has been dampened somewhat. right now i'm still thinking about it, but if you want me to bang out some half baked thoughts to "meet expectations" i will be happy to accommodate. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
Now sleep. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: I keep coming up w/ better ways to phrase what I'm asking. My real question is this:Not sure if my point came across there. what I'm saying is, you said that you were "pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic". But saying that Moc is falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap is NOT a flaw in logic. It could explain why Moc was using faulty logic. But it's not a mistake in logic itself. Why when you read Mocs case did you think that he might be falling into that trap? How come you didn't read it and think "that makes sense", especially since you had a scumread on cora? bed now for me too | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: Short answer to Thrawn's case: I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them. For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a ##Vote: Aquanim His arguments here are: 1) OMGUS (whatever) 2) claiming I'm trying to back out of my scumread on him (patently untrue) 3) claiming that my reasons for thinking Corazon was scum were weak (arguable, but the real question here is "Did Aquanim in fact believe those reasons" to which the answer is yes.) Most of Thrawn's case which he cites is no longer relevant, I've been a great deal more proactive since then. I don't see how he can honestly believe this case. Whenever I've asked Rean about his read on me he's been dodging and not offering any more specifics, while remaining adamant in his read (though he claims to have "reassessed" I've seen no reason to believe that's true, he's just as irrationally obstinate as before). Whenever he's asked about his read on anyone else he's faffed about and avoided committing to anything. Admitting Onegu is scummy while not liking the wagon on him because "oh teh noes it's drawing away momentum from the Aqua wagon" is ridiculous. He's given no in-depth thoughts on Onegu or indeed on anybody else, apart from the trash he's come after me with. If I hadn't already voted for him I'd do it now. I'm quite confident Rean is scum. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: You can say you weren't trying to defend cora. But you were. Moc made an argument and you said it was flawed. There's no other way to interpret that. And you didn't even point out what you didn't like about mocstas case. WHy did you think that Moc was falling into the trap? How could cora have easily deflected his argument? By saying "Your logic is flawed because you think I'm scum." ? It's not defending him, it's making sure Cora can't defend himself as easily by making sure the arguments are solid. As for your second point, when you quoted the post where "I defend Cora", did you happen to notice that the reason for my comment on Mocsta's post was in the same damn post right below what you quoted? With further explanation in the next post when Mocsta asks me about it? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:55 Rean wrote: It's not defending him, it's making sure Cora can't defend himself as easily by making sure the arguments are solid. As for your second point, when you quoted the post where "I defend Cora", did you happen to notice that the reason for my comment on Mocsta's post was in the same damn post right below what you quoted? With further explanation in the next post when Mocsta asks me about it? OK right, this sentence: "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red." I guess I forgot about that. You did give a reason. It just seems like a strange thing to say about someone you're reading as scum. If it's a legitimate point then he's not scum. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: I keep coming up w/ better ways to phrase what I'm asking. My real question is this: Why when you read Mocs case did you think that he might be falling into that trap? How come you didn't read it and think "that makes sense", especially since you had a scumread on cora? bed now for me too When I read it it seemed like he was going post by post trying to find any way to interpret him as scummy. While most of his arguments seemed quite good, one or two seemed like a bit of a stretch to me so I told him that, and that he should be cautious of interpreting posts how he wants to interpret them instead of looking at them neutrally. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want to lynch Bereft for the way he prioritizes things. That's fucking scummy. Notice Aqua was one of his three scumreads to filter. Now he has filtered Rean/Cora, has his vote on Rean, and defended Onegu's posts. He hasn't even read all his scumread's filters yet there is already a vote. A big no. Now sleep. also, another point in response to this -- just because i didn't post about it doesn't mean i haven't thought about it (it being aqua and his filter). i find aqua's filter warrants further investigation and thought, whereas rean's filter is strong enough to warrant a vote almost immediately. my initial gut read on aqua being scum was due to: (a) the 'town' read on mocsta due to his 'non sarcastic' response, (b) the unnecessary question about day vigging when there was already a good thread of conversation going, and (c) the sudden rean vote. but since then he's posted quite a bit of substantial stuff, and he's obviously a smart, analytical thinker, so i think his posts require a bit of care and fresh eyes. either way, i don't see anything wrong with voting Rean when i like my case on him and i'm somewhat on the fence re: aqua. if you're town, i don't know what you're trying to accomplish by jumping on me for such a minor point i proceeded to IMMEDIATELY explain and then disappearing from the thread. what are you hoping to accomplish? you do realize we are 22 hours away from the deadline in a game of majority lynch?? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:13 Bereft wrote: also, another point in response to this -- just because i didn't post about it doesn't mean i haven't thought about it (it being aqua and his filter). i find aqua's filter warrants further investigation and thought, whereas rean's filter is strong enough to warrant a vote almost immediately. my initial gut read on aqua being scum was due to: (a) the 'town' read on mocsta due to his 'non sarcastic' response, (b) the unnecessary question about day vigging when there was already a good thread of conversation going, and (c) the sudden rean vote. but since then he's posted quite a bit of substantial stuff, and he's obviously a smart, analytical thinker, so i think his posts require a bit of care and fresh eyes. either way, i don't see anything wrong with voting Rean when i like my case on him and i'm somewhat on the fence re: aqua. if you're town, i don't know what you're trying to accomplish by jumping on me for such a minor point i proceeded to IMMEDIATELY explain and then disappearing from the thread. what are you hoping to accomplish? you do realize we are 22 hours away from the deadline in a game of majority lynch?? Why are you yelling at Rayn for going to sleep at 6am? He's been active for a really long time and the impetus should be on you to have come in earlier and added to the discussion. If you don't have enough time to play then you should not have signed up. I'm sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth. It's ridiculous to call him scum just because he sleeps. Simply ridiculous. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
why don't you bold where i'm calling him scum? i'm asking him what he's trying to accomplish. if it's obvious to you what he's trying to accomplish, please enlighten me. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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