CORA IS SCUM AND HERE IS WHY
Cora does multiple things that are anti-town or can in no way come from a towns point of view.
First Cora refuses to help people understand what he is saying or refuses to answer questions. This is so anti town, and doesnt let people find out about his mindset or prove himself. It also wastes time all are scum motivated. If he only did it once or twice it is somewhat understandable but I will show you he does it multiple times.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again. But Onegu wasnt JJD asking the same questions over and over again, JJD didn't understand coras answer and was trying to understand better, cora refuses to help him and shits all over him in the process. Here is the entire exchange so you can see what I am talking about + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 01:25 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:22 Mocsta wrote:On November 21 2013 01:19 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 21 2013 01:10 Mocsta wrote:On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town. Fair call. It was an interpretation from JJD that I did not think was absurd. A better example of what I am referring to is the jampidampi post sandwiched between us. You mean the post where Jampi takes only two of my posts and tries to base my whole opinion on sciberia around them? Those posts were within my first 3-4 posts on the thread. I don't know where he is going with that. Matey, Keep talking to me like a douche and I can give it back to you equally. Please, I dropped my vote off you yonks ago; I am trying to work together here. JJD = JarJarDrinks His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum". Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations. Because JJD is wrong? The first post (about "rocking the boat") said that sciberia is either new to this game or him "rocking the boat" is scummy. Is it not obvious to you that this isn't sciberia's first game? I said he was good at this game and that I thought he was making a calculated play with "rocking the boat". First Mocsta brings it up back up after JJD had talked about it earlier. Then JJD explains what he means clearer and asks cora a question. On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Sorry to repost this again but wanted everyone to know what post we're all talking about since there seems to be some dispute: On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. So Cora, who thinks sciberia was making a calculated scum play, decides that correct thing to say about it is to tell him to stop. He then gives the person that he believes is smart scum advice on how to find scum. JJD please stop and read my filter. This post was MY FIRST REAL POST IN THE GAME. The post about making a calculated scum play was after that. Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post. JJD you are being fucking annoying as hell. If I was Mocsta I would vote you for not reading. Cora actually explains what he is talking about here but JJD sees where cora had talked a bit about how cora tells scib to stop looking at the first page. Also look how cora is a ass here to JJD when JJD is just trying to understand cora better. On November 21 2013 02:03 cDgCorazon wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 02:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post. Well this is what I'm trying to find out. Did you not have a scum read in the first post but did in the 2nd? If so, what changed yoiur mind? Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting... JJD why are you grasping at straws? To me, it looks like you want to make a case on me but the focal point is "Cora changed his read on sci for no reason" and you are trying to fish favorable answers out of me because you know you can't twist my words any more than you are currently. Off to school. For realsies. JjD explains what he is trying to understand here and cora flames him for it. And says he isnt going to answer because JJD is trying to twist his words. On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again. Notice JJD had just explained what he was trying to figure out and cora doesnt answer. On November 21 2013 06:04 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 06:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again. I have read your filter. No need to answer it again it you did, just please link or quote a post where you explain the reason you had a scumread on sciberia @ that point in the game that isn't because of his first post. I've explained my thinking behind those posts already. So no. Again not going to answer, why not at this point does he think JJD is just going to stop questioning him? Why not answer again so JJD can have what he wants and move on? On November 21 2013 06:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 06:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 21 2013 06:04 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 21 2013 06:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again. I have read your filter. No need to answer it again it you did, just please link or quote a post where you explain the reason you had a scumread on sciberia @ that point in the game that isn't because of his first post. I've explained my thinking behind those posts already. So no. Yes you explained your thinking behind those posts. ANd that thinking directly contradicts what you're saying in the post I quoted. Here's a post where you try to explain your thinking: On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Thrawn
When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. Well if the page 1 posts are "mostly joke posting" then why would you think that his post is scummy for doing a poor job of creating a good town atmosphere ? You specifically say here that you would NOT have a scum read on him for his page 1 joke posting On November 21 2013 02:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting... So I ask again. Why did you think Sci was scummy? Sorry when you said my filter I thought you meant that I read the whole filter. Read more plz Still no answer, still no help. On November 21 2013 06:27 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
He finally gives JJD some of what he was looking for, he still never answered when he got the scum read exactly. And when cora does this JJD moves on. Why couldnt he do this in the first place. He doesnt want to help town to understand his thinking and waste time On November 21 2013 06:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah it better be ok because it's the last I'm answering about it. You're not reading my filter...I made several posts about where I talk about why I was suspicious of Sci. The end. Then flames him at the end. On November 24 2013 08:37 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 08:36 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 24 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 08:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Please vote me. It's about time someone put their vote where their mouth is.
So I'm curious Mocsta, why am I so scummy now that I've been prodded to death? Shouldn't I have been scummy for a lot longer? If so, why didn't you point it out earlier? It's called confirmation bias, bro. You have confirmation bias. I did not state any of the things you mentioned. It will be clear once I have done my filter-dive. Currently you are null for me. IF YOU HAVE A NULL READ ON ME I DONT WANT ANY CASE ON ME FROM YOU. YOU DONT MAKE "NULL CASES" Once you are done answering Aquanim question; can you please give me your opinino on Scibs response to Onegu. And give you a chance to find a phantom "scum slip"? No Here he was haveing a meltdown,and asked a serious question about scibs and my interactions. And look at his reason, this doesnt come from the mindset of town. Town give the answer and if someone calls them out on it then they explain their thinking. On November 27 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well too bad Mocsta, you're not getting an explanation. Boo Hoo Most recent. He doesnt want to give people reads on him and flames them
Second Cora makes mutiple posts that cannot come from a town minset. Talking about why he doesnt want to do things because it will make him look scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". Look at the bolded part. He doesnt want people useing it against him. Votes are a tool. They make statements. Cora says later they dont add pressure, he is wrong it shows people you are serious. Core doesnt use early votes because he doesnt want them used against him. This does not come from the PoV of a townie. Townies are interested in finding scum, pressureing scum and lynching scum, not being afraid someone is going to use it against him. On November 24 2013 07:28 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 07:25 Bereft wrote:
really? i must have missed it so can you quote the post?
you were debating before whether scum would rather have rayn alive or dead. what did you conclude and how does conclusion tie in with your reads? i was under the impression you thought they would like to keep him alive so they would almost all be off the rayn train.
do you really think JJD is scum or are you just pissed off with him?
i take it currently your scum reads are HF, onegu, and...? if the scum team is HF, onegu, and X, why would they hold back their NK and be confident enough of a mislynch as you stated earlier? onegu is 1 of the front runners for d2 lynch and HF for d3 (in my head at least). To be honest I don't really care about what I said. People are going to find a way to twist it to look scummy. I don't like a post from JJD but I don't think he's scum but I do think he's scum but I'm not going to vote for him and now I'm just rambling on and shitting up the thread and I don't really care and I don't really care and this person is scummy and this is what is going on in my head and i think im so important that i should share every thought i have and i can wish-wash and call people scummy yet not think they are scum and not vote for them and basically waste our time with useless bullshit and tire me out because i just want to play but i get called scum every-other post that i make and scum try to pick on me andandnandandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandn Look I understand getting fustrated it happens. But again look at this post every tries to wist what he says to make him look scummy, thats just not true, he never accepts the fact that he actully looks scummy. I see this from scum all the time, they cannot believe people find them scummy. But this post is 100% wrong. Alot of the people he is angry at, Thrawn, JJD, Auqa have flipped town. People have found me scummy all game, I always answer questions and try to show Im not scum, I can understand why people find me scummy and I show them why that is wrong. For the most part people dont twist my words either. Cora is scum and thinks everyone is out to get him. On November 24 2013 09:03 cDgCorazon wrote:For every 1 good post you write about me, you write 5 of these... Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 10:54 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:38 sciberbia wrote:Have some questions for you Cora. 1) Can you explain what you were talking about in this post? How exactly did you think rayn was trying to gain town cred by going on a rampage and martyring himself? On November 22 2013 04:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.
2) If you think it would have been beneficial to scum to keep rayn alive yesterday EVEN given that he is town, why would you not vote for him yesterday? Surely if you think lynching town!rayn would be bad for scum, then it would be good for town? And if he flipped scum even better, right? I don't see how you reconcile voting for no lynch with claiming that it would have been better for scum to no-lynch yesterday. Ok, to be honest, the Rayn lynch was basically impossible for me to pick a side. On one hand, I really thought Rayn was town. On the other hand, Rayn's play was very anti-town. It is a very narrow playstyle that Rayn's townplay fits into. He can be town but not an asset to town at the same time. That is the reason I'm not attacking Mocsta after Rayn's flip. I think I'm being misrepresented (or perhaps I have misrepresented myself) to say that I was against the Rayn lynch. Rayn's really bad townplay, along with the fact that it was a majority lynch, gave me a choice of either lynching someone who I was very confident was town or having him shit up the thread. I think my thought process would make more sense if I went through it. At the beginning, when I made all of those "OMG this fight is stupid" posts, it was due to the fact that the thread had become a shitfest and Rayn/everyone else were simply shitting up the thread. I was truly exasperated and angry that the thread had gone out of control and we had gone from some very good discussion on Aqua/myself/Rean to Rayn and only Rayn. After I came back from school, I was still trying to make a decision whether to vote Rayn or not. When I made the post that you quoted, I think I was trying to justify a Rayn lynch to myself. I knew that it was a dumb lynch but I also knew that I could not do anything about it. Rayn had basically lost it and I did not know whether to give him a second chance or not. When I got back (about 45 minutes from the deadline), I said to myself "Fuck it, I'm not going to be dragged around and be forced to follow thread sentiment". So I voted for a no-lynch. I knew it was useless to try and suggest because Rayn was already bleeding badly and all of the sharks were floating around him. You guys were tunneled way too hard on Rayn and that was a mistake that I tried to correct earlier but gave up out of frustration. TL;DR: My town read on Rayn + The shitty town atmosphere Rayn was causing= scenario where no one wins and I'm forced to walk a very fine line to take a neutral stance on Rayn's lynch. On a lunch break. This is a really bad post. Its very constructed and uses analogies. This is the first time Corazon breaks out a post with this type of construction and notably, he is answering a very important question from Sciberbia that - I think - produces an alignment indicative response. Do you understand why I am frustrated with you? If you want me to cooperate, I'm going to make a request from you. You have to not call me "scummy" unless you make a case that encompasses my play the entire game and accompany said case with a vote. I don't want anything else from you about your read on me, even if others ask you for your opinion on me. Is that clear? There is no way this post comes from town. He is saying dont mention me, dont talk about me unless it is a case, and not just any case a case encompassing the entire game and a vote. He wants to shut down all talk of himself. YES I SAID I WAS GOING TO STOP RESPONDING TO CORA AND MOCSTA ALSO. But I want you to see the difference. Mocsta at this point was asking him a question about Aqus and sciberia. I was getting onegu is scum for this reason, and I would respond to that reason and get flamed and called scum again. Also when asked a question I would always answer it. Also and here nobody was saying cora was scum, just saying he was scummy for this reason or that. Cora didnt respond to those point either. On November 24 2013 09:05 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 08:56 Aquanim wrote:
If you need to take a break for a while, go and do it. I've found it's helped me in similar situations in the past (this game and others). I wish that would work but I get all of these bullshit "Cora is scummy but not scum" posts when I'm not around. On November 24 2013 09:07 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 09:03 cDgCorazon wrote:For every 1 good post you write about me, you write 5 of these... On November 23 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 10:54 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:38 sciberbia wrote:Have some questions for you Cora. 1) Can you explain what you were talking about in this post? How exactly did you think rayn was trying to gain town cred by going on a rampage and martyring himself? On November 22 2013 04:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.
2) If you think it would have been beneficial to scum to keep rayn alive yesterday EVEN given that he is town, why would you not vote for him yesterday? Surely if you think lynching town!rayn would be bad for scum, then it would be good for town? And if he flipped scum even better, right? I don't see how you reconcile voting for no lynch with claiming that it would have been better for scum to no-lynch yesterday. Ok, to be honest, the Rayn lynch was basically impossible for me to pick a side. On one hand, I really thought Rayn was town. On the other hand, Rayn's play was very anti-town. It is a very narrow playstyle that Rayn's townplay fits into. He can be town but not an asset to town at the same time. That is the reason I'm not attacking Mocsta after Rayn's flip. I think I'm being misrepresented (or perhaps I have misrepresented myself) to say that I was against the Rayn lynch. Rayn's really bad townplay, along with the fact that it was a majority lynch, gave me a choice of either lynching someone who I was very confident was town or having him shit up the thread. I think my thought process would make more sense if I went through it. At the beginning, when I made all of those "OMG this fight is stupid" posts, it was due to the fact that the thread had become a shitfest and Rayn/everyone else were simply shitting up the thread. I was truly exasperated and angry that the thread had gone out of control and we had gone from some very good discussion on Aqua/myself/Rean to Rayn and only Rayn. After I came back from school, I was still trying to make a decision whether to vote Rayn or not. When I made the post that you quoted, I think I was trying to justify a Rayn lynch to myself. I knew that it was a dumb lynch but I also knew that I could not do anything about it. Rayn had basically lost it and I did not know whether to give him a second chance or not. When I got back (about 45 minutes from the deadline), I said to myself "Fuck it, I'm not going to be dragged around and be forced to follow thread sentiment". So I voted for a no-lynch. I knew it was useless to try and suggest because Rayn was already bleeding badly and all of the sharks were floating around him. You guys were tunneled way too hard on Rayn and that was a mistake that I tried to correct earlier but gave up out of frustration. TL;DR: My town read on Rayn + The shitty town atmosphere Rayn was causing= scenario where no one wins and I'm forced to walk a very fine line to take a neutral stance on Rayn's lynch. On a lunch break. This is a really bad post. Its very constructed and uses analogies. This is the first time Corazon breaks out a post with this type of construction and notably, he is answering a very important question from Sciberbia that - I think - produces an alignment indicative response. Do you understand why I am frustrated with you? If you want me to cooperate, I'm going to make a request from you. You have to not call me "scummy" unless you make a case that encompasses my play the entire game and accompany said case with a vote. I don't want anything else from you about your read on me, even if others ask you for your opinion on me. Is that clear? Hunny, that is precisely what i am donig. I am making a stream of consciousness right now as I read your *entire filter* Hence why I said before that my read before was null. What I am asking you about scibs -> Onegu is a side story related to Scibs. I have an opinion on it that I would like to share but I wanted to get some other opinions first. Aqua shared; please, just a yes or no to whether you agree with him. No, I want a promise from you to fulfill my request. Nothing less. On November 24 2013 09:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:10 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 09:07 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 24 2013 09:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 09:03 cDgCorazon wrote:For every 1 good post you write about me, you write 5 of these... On November 23 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 10:54 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:38 sciberbia wrote:Have some questions for you Cora. 1) Can you explain what you were talking about in this post? How exactly did you think rayn was trying to gain town cred by going on a rampage and martyring himself? On November 22 2013 04:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.
2) If you think it would have been beneficial to scum to keep rayn alive yesterday EVEN given that he is town, why would you not vote for him yesterday? Surely if you think lynching town!rayn would be bad for scum, then it would be good for town? And if he flipped scum even better, right? I don't see how you reconcile voting for no lynch with claiming that it would have been better for scum to no-lynch yesterday. Ok, to be honest, the Rayn lynch was basically impossible for me to pick a side. On one hand, I really thought Rayn was town. On the other hand, Rayn's play was very anti-town. It is a very narrow playstyle that Rayn's townplay fits into. He can be town but not an asset to town at the same time. That is the reason I'm not attacking Mocsta after Rayn's flip. I think I'm being misrepresented (or perhaps I have misrepresented myself) to say that I was against the Rayn lynch. Rayn's really bad townplay, along with the fact that it was a majority lynch, gave me a choice of either lynching someone who I was very confident was town or having him shit up the thread. I think my thought process would make more sense if I went through it. At the beginning, when I made all of those "OMG this fight is stupid" posts, it was due to the fact that the thread had become a shitfest and Rayn/everyone else were simply shitting up the thread. I was truly exasperated and angry that the thread had gone out of control and we had gone from some very good discussion on Aqua/myself/Rean to Rayn and only Rayn. After I came back from school, I was still trying to make a decision whether to vote Rayn or not. When I made the post that you quoted, I think I was trying to justify a Rayn lynch to myself. I knew that it was a dumb lynch but I also knew that I could not do anything about it. Rayn had basically lost it and I did not know whether to give him a second chance or not. When I got back (about 45 minutes from the deadline), I said to myself "Fuck it, I'm not going to be dragged around and be forced to follow thread sentiment". So I voted for a no-lynch. I knew it was useless to try and suggest because Rayn was already bleeding badly and all of the sharks were floating around him. You guys were tunneled way too hard on Rayn and that was a mistake that I tried to correct earlier but gave up out of frustration. TL;DR: My town read on Rayn + The shitty town atmosphere Rayn was causing= scenario where no one wins and I'm forced to walk a very fine line to take a neutral stance on Rayn's lynch. On a lunch break. This is a really bad post. Its very constructed and uses analogies. This is the first time Corazon breaks out a post with this type of construction and notably, he is answering a very important question from Sciberbia that - I think - produces an alignment indicative response. Do you understand why I am frustrated with you? If you want me to cooperate, I'm going to make a request from you. You have to not call me "scummy" unless you make a case that encompasses my play the entire game and accompany said case with a vote. I don't want anything else from you about your read on me, even if others ask you for your opinion on me. Is that clear? Hunny, that is precisely what i am donig. I am making a stream of consciousness right now as I read your *entire filter* Hence why I said before that my read before was null. What I am asking you about scibs -> Onegu is a side story related to Scibs. I have an opinion on it that I would like to share but I wanted to get some other opinions first. Aqua shared; please, just a yes or no to whether you agree with him. No, I want a promise from you to fulfill my request. Nothing less. I can't do that. I haven't finished my stream. Whatever, its your loss. Congratz, then you get unhappy and uncooperative Corazon. Enjoy. Look what we get. On November 24 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 08:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Please vote me. It's about time someone put their vote where their mouth is.
So I'm curious Mocsta, why am I so scummy now that I've been prodded to death? Shouldn't I have been scummy for a lot longer? If so, why didn't you point it out earlier? It's called confirmation bias, bro. You have confirmation bias. I did not state any of the things you mentioned. It will be clear once I have done my filter-dive. Currently you are null for me. IF YOU HAVE A NULL READ ON ME I DONT WANT ANY CASE ON ME FROM YOU. YOU DONT MAKE "NULL CASES" Dont make null cases, why I want to get other peoples thoughts on someone I cant get a good read and talk about my thoughts. Cora doesnt want people to talk about him because cora is scum and has something to hide. On November 27 2013 12:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
I don't give a shit about anyone else's arguments because no one gives a shit about mine.
Now I have the power and you all are trying in vain to get me to listen to you. Do you understand that me listening to you was what got us into this mess? Rayn was a bad lynch and I only voted for JJD for consolidation. I'm done listening to anyone else because no one ever started listening to me.
It's either Onegu or no-lynch. Your choice. I dont care about anyone else or what they have to say becauae nobody cares what I say. Every game I have played nobody has listened to me it part of the game, but as town I have to catch scum, I put out my ideas, I reenforce them and keep comeing back to them until eventually people look. But while I am doing that I still habe to find other scum. There are currently 3 scum in this game not 1. Cora doesnt want to look at anyone else. I understand fustration. It is 4 am right now, and I will be up most likely another 2.5 hours with my bad internet to complete it then up at 10am to get my handicapped son ready for his medicine, and most likely no one will give this case much thougt even though I am positive cora is scum. But thay doesnt mean I am not reading what people say. Or constantly bitching about out it.
Third Cora make a toxic town enviroment that promotes lurking and basic not careing because they dont want to get flamed. I will point out only the extreame stuff there is much more though.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Sorry to repost this again but wanted everyone to know what post we're all talking about since there seems to be some dispute: On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. So Cora, who thinks sciberia was making a calculated scum play, decides that correct thing to say about it is to tell him to stop. He then gives the person that he believes is smart scum advice on how to find scum. JJD please stop and read my filter. This post was MY FIRST REAL POST IN THE GAME. The post about making a calculated scum play was after that. Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post. JJD you are being fucking annoying as hell. If I was Mocsta I would vote you for not reading. On November 22 2013 11:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
OMG RAYN IM STICKING MY NECK OUT FOR YOU AND YOU ARE GONNA MARTYR
FUCK YOU MAN JUST FUCK YOU On November 23 2013 13:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also Mocsta, I'm tired of you picking on me. You've been waffling on your read about me. Either make the fucking case or hold your tongue. On November 24 2013 00:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm sick of this shit. My play has been nitpicked more than anyone else's the entire game and it has gone nowhere. Why does everyone think that they are required to post every single thought of theirs? That is how threads get to be 200 pages long.
I'm done. I'm absolutely done. From now on, I'm just going to vote everyone who nitpicks my posts for no reason. Fuck you guys.
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##Vote: JarJarDrinks On November 27 2013 13:09 cDgCorazon wrote:
Man fuck you guys. I can't even fake-claim Investigator to get you guys to lynch my read. What do I have to do? Hack into Gmarshal's computer to find Onegu's role pm and post it in the thread? You guys are so ridiculous.
You get my point and there is much more than this, it gets old and boreing.
Fourth its never his fault, or he is always right. Or he is the victim. Maybe this isnt really scummy. Some of it is like I cant believe people find me scummy when I have been right screams a scum mindset. This also kinda ties in with point 3.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 00:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright I'm going to respond to the general criticism on me, the brunt of it being in Mocsta's case and then everyone else just rewording it.
First of all, most of Mocsta's filter analysis on me said that I had problems reading and that I was scummy. It's really shit casework from Mocsta because he's played multiple times with me and should know that I had a reading problem in general, whether I'm town or scum.
The rest of his case is his confirmation bias and calling sciberia my scummate. Lol.
I'm really surprised and disappointed that I got all the flak for the conversation between sciberia and I. In my opinion his actions were way more scummy and non-conclusive then mine and I believe that it is really hypocritical of everyone to attack me and simply ignore him.
On Aqua: I really agree with a lot of the points raised up against him. What troubles me the most is that he basically attacked Ream for sticking up for me and starting attacking Ream when it looked like my lynch wasn't going to go down. It felt like he was trying too hard to keep the lynch on me and that is what troubles me.
On others: I'm going to reread the thread but I already do not like the fact that sciberia and LoneMeow insist on keeping the conversation on me when the talk is about Aquanim. It's just making the town less focused and less able to discuss a good lynch candidate if they continue to ramble on about me. In my opinion, the first 24 hours should be allowed to free-flow and not have focused discussion (on one person) and the last 24 should be focus on the 2-3 wagons that pop up.
I'm going to reread Aqua and then reread the rest of the thread (pgs 10-13). He bolded the relevant part for me. He cannot believe that I look more scummy than him, when he has been trying to make himself more townie looking. On November 25 2013 12:05 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 12:04 Aquanim wrote:
dammit corazon can you stop repeating that we got your message already How many town flips does it take for people to listen to what i have to say? On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote:@Thrawn: First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously: Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them). Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this: Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up: On November 23 2013 10:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote:On November 23 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:32 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon I'd like to see your thoughts on Jampidampi. No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that. You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu? Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch. Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was. So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence. He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read. Show nested quote +<Insert Corazon post>
This post is scummy/a scum slip/is bad/something a scum would say. Corazon looks bad/scummy/like he is scum.
<No vote> Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others. Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line. Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/ You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle. Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run. Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say. Im right no one listens to me and look what happens. People have called me scum for shit reasons so I need somepeople to shit on. There is more but it is 5am and I want to get all my points in.
The next portion is corazon manipulates people to attempt to get what he want, and also contridicts himself often. This portion also contains admissions of scummy play by cora. Also I am tired now and am going to rush this sorry if its not formatted great.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote:On Aqua (again): My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.I still want an answer to this from you: On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess. TL;DR Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me This guy is scum I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out. First he votes Aqua for changeing his read on cora, and his attack of rean. Aqua responds and cora responds back with this. On November 21 2013 08:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
To be honest Aqua you say that there was "new information" on me which prompted you to change your vote but I think that claim is all smoke and mirrors. You wanted town to waste time arguing about me and not have anyone notice your lack of in-depth analysis and definite reads on anyone in the game. When Rean asked for it, you started attacking him and never answered his request directly even though multiple people thought it was a fair request.
Sure Rean has contradicted himself a few times and the accusations against him are true, I don't think they warrant a full-on case on him and I don't think that he should be lynched for it. You seem to be all about looking like you are scum hunting and jumping on the right wagons and the timing of your changes of reads seem to indicate you are just trying to play for survival, which is what scum like to do.
I can't wait to see your observations of the last ten pages or so and to hear you try to change the lynch subject yet again. First there was new info at the time. Multiple people had made cases on cora and gave thoughts, aqua agreed with thier arguememts . Second he agrees with Aqua that rean looks bad and contridicts himself. He says its not bad enough to have a vote on rean, but doesnt this change half of coras case on aqua. Sure he may not agree with the first point but it does the second. But cora still finds aqua scummy. But Cora never pushes his lynch again. Half his case is gone when he agrees with him, but aqua is still scummy. On November 21 2013 08:58 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:51 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 08:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
To be honest Aqua you say that there was "new information" on me which prompted you to change your vote but I think that claim is all smoke and mirrors. You wanted town to waste time arguing about me and not have anyone notice your lack of in-depth analysis and definite reads on anyone in the game. When Rean asked for it, you started attacking him and never answered his request directly even though multiple people thought it was a fair request.
Sure Rean has contradicted himself a few times and the accusations against him are true, I don't think they warrant a full-on case on him and I don't think that he should be lynched for it. You seem to be all about looking like you are scum hunting and jumping on the right wagons and the timing of your changes of reads seem to indicate you are just trying to play for survival, which is what scum like to do.
I can't wait to see your observations of the last ten pages or so and to hear you try to change the lynch subject yet again. I'm not sure there's any point in talking to you since 1) you're likely scum and 2) you've already made up your mind apparently. Actually, you know what? Try justifying some of your wild claims first. I've explained that I was waiting to see if you were going to back up your sciberbia case with a vote, and when you didn't I became much more suspicious of you. In what way is that smoke and mirrors? What is your evidence that I wanted town to waste time arguing about you? My attacking Rean WAS an answer to his question. He wanted to know my scumread - and it was Rean himself. I also had a scumread on you but I thought it would be more useful and I'd learn more by pushing Rean at that time, as I've explained. Would you care to further explain why you think the argument why Rean is scum is weaker than the argument why I am? You've said that without actually justifying why you think it's so. Oh, and why shouldn't I try to change the lynch subject when most everyone is voting for me? I already justified why I didn't vote for sci. My claim is that you jumped on my wagon to give the impression you are scum hunting when you aren't. Look at the timings of the votes and that is proof right there. I'll accept your answer on responding to Rean. Because Rean has been open about his ideas and he is trying to solve the game. He's done more than simply piggyback on people and kick them while they are down. I just don't get a scummy vibe from Rean. Aqua then responds back and cora posts this, he accepts his answers on rean. Basicly he just says he doesnt find rean scummy. Coras case had 2points, one is completely gone now. Wouldnt this warrent an unvote? But between this and coras case on him cora doesnt push his lynch, it wasnt a real case. On November 21 2013 12:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hey guys. I'm just chiming in to say that none of this has changed my reads at all. I'm still down for either an Aqua or Onegu lynch.
I would be also down for a LoneMeow/Bereft lynch if we are lynching based on contribution.
Everyone else I'm either town on or not confident enough to see hang today.
We have <24 hours to go, we should start consolidating. 4 hours later he still wants a aqua lynch. But beteen this post and his unvote, he never again talks about aqua, never pushes his scum read. It wasnt real. On November 21 2013 15:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 14:55 Mocsta wrote:
Corazon
Regarding why you did not vote Sciberbia
You stated that: early votes dont get traction so whats the point.
If that is the case, why did you ask Sciberbia to put his vote where his mouth is? Cause I'm dumb and don't remember what I say before contradicting myself. Yeah I did that, but its not scummy Im dumb. On November 21 2013 15:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 14:55 Mocsta wrote:
Corazon
Regarding why you did not vote Sciberbia
You stated that: early votes dont get traction so whats the point.
If that is the case, why did you ask Sciberbia to put his vote where his mouth is? Cause I'm dumb and don't remember what I say before contradicting myself. Im not sure what the underlined part means, does it mean he doesnt read close as either alignment? Can someone tell me if this is true or not. Basicly this is a bad response and calling out mocsta for makeing a case on him. On November 25 2013 01:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
First of all Onegu, do you misformat cases on purpose so people just see that you made and case and actually don't read it? This is 3/4 cases that have been misformatted, if I can count right.
The fact of the matter is that this case is bad because it's hypocritical, it's partially other's arguments, and it has no teeth (like every single other case you have made).
It's hypocritical because you've switched your reads randomly as well (your 180 on Rayn with no explanation).
It's partially other's arguments because I heard most of this shit before from other people.
It has no teeth because you didn't vote for Mocsta.
No one knows who you want lynched and it seems like you never believe in any of your cases. Why are you so hesitant to vote for anyone you make a case on? Do you actually believe that Mocsta/Bereft are scum? If so, why isn't your vote on them? If not, why are you wasting our time with cases and tell us who you want lynched.
TBH Mocsta's read switches are a result of his usual play and the fact that he re-evaluates the game very often. Even the point (singular point) you make in this case is very weak. I post the first half of my case with all the points on the second half. It is obvious cora doesnt actually read it. He thinks there is only one point and it is bad and Im being a hypocrite. And all of the other arguements are in there. But this isnt true. All the points from my final case are in there. On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend.
In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either:
a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights
or
b)be lynched due to his behavior
A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them.
I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now.
Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching? Now it is a great case. If you read it in this post he agrees mocsta is scum and should be voted for, just not today. Also look at the reason he unvotes me, my activity has been much better. This post has to come from scum. He just made a case on me being scum. I responded to his points, he responded back. Now I have a great case and have gotten him to unvote for better activity. Then no more mention of onegu except to link his case on me to slam until this On November 25 2013 09:30 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah I like Onegu lynch more than JJD
##Vote: Onegu Doesnt talk to me or about me since my great post and my recent activity. On November 25 2013 09:34 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 09:32 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 25 2013 09:30 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah I like Onegu lynch more than JJD
##Vote: Onegu the onegu lynch.... "feels" harder to achieve? the JJD lynch seems too easy? is that what you're getting at because that's why I just changed votes No I was not sure Onegu was going to get lynched so I unvoted him in the first place just in case consolidation elsewhere was necessary. I feel the best about an Onegu lynch and I hope that others agree. but now I lost his vot for him to consolidate, not because of my activity. On November 25 2013 09:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 09:45 sciberbia wrote:On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
TL;DR
1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard
2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post.
3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft)
4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched
. I read your case Cora. Honestly the only point I thought was really solid was the one concerning his suspicious change of reads on rayn. Also some of the points have been invalidated. In response to your TL;DR 1) decent point but definitely not a damning scumtell. He may have just been pressed for time yesterday 2) I actually quite like his analysis of Mocsta's post restriction and how Mocsta handled it. I think it's some interesting analysis and is valid. 3) Why is only attacking 4 people a scumtell? Also I don't think tunneling one player the entire game is a scumtell as long as he is doing his damndest to get that player lynched, and still considers other possibilities (such as Bereft). Yesterday he wasn't but today he is. 4) Feels like he's trying to get Mocsta lynched today. Honestly I don't feel the case on Onegu was ever THAT strong and it has been partially invalidated by his contributions today. The majority of my problem with Onegu was that he didn't seem to care about the lynch yesterday. But he does seem to care today, and JJD seems to care even less both days than Onegu did yesterday. 1)That point was also based around the first post I quoted. 2)He also contradicts himself in his first post as well. 3)His scum-hunting has consisted of calling Mocsta scum for being Mocsta and giving a very weak case on Bereft 4)Only took him 40 or so hours of him talking about how Mocsta was scum WHILE giving a case on bereft. It took so much prodding from me to get him to vote. The case has only been partially invalidated (like 70% of this case is still valid) and the stuff from D1 you talked about should fill in for that and still make him a good lynch choice today. Then a bit later my great case became, onegu just attacking mocsta for being mocsta. On November 25 2013 10:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
Fine. Although Onegu just said I "scum slipped" and then says Mocsta is scum for calling out "scum slips", I'll consolidate.
##unvote:
##Vote: JJD
Also this post confirms he didnt actually read my great case. As I poimt out mocsta used the words scum slips then called out HF for useing them becomeing a hypocrite. On November 26 2013 11:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm gonna post some final thoughts before the deadline:
First of all, I am an investigator and I am checking Onegu tonight. While I'm pretty sure that he is scum, there's no more time to play around and I need to make 100% sure that Onegu is either scum or town. Once we get him out of the way (whether it's from a green check or from lynching him), this game becomes a lot clearer. The evidence points overwhelmingly towards Onegu being scum and I want to get a confirmation of his scumminess so the town can have a clear direction
Once Onegu is out of the way, here are the order of people I want to lynch:
HF's claim unfounded
Chezinu
Thrawn
To be honest, I really think the scumteam is Onegu/Chezinu/HF but if one of those is disproven, I have to look at my shakiest town read. That happens to be thrawn. I have a lot more faith in my other town reads (Sciberia (I got a green check on him night 1), Aqua, Mocsta, Berift, and Alakaslam, in that order) than I do in my thrawn read. I've talked a little bit about how he is suspicious but once we get that far down the totem pole, I will look more into thrawn.
I'm open for questions until the deadline.
Now the pre deadline fake cop claim.
Basicly if cora wasnt scum he would be shot. This was well before deadline and yes I wasnt around to see it if I was scum(im VT), how likely is it that zero scum didnt see cora was claiming cop. Now if I was scum that would mean 2 others didnt see it, and since Im not scum 3 scum would have had to not see it. Basicly if both me and cora are town, and scum saw him claim to check me I am green you think they chance that? Basicly me or Cora have to be scum. I am VT so Cora has to be scum. Look at this it shows cora has a non town PoV, is purposely toxic to town, lies and contridicts himself. Cora is scum.
It is 6am with bad internet I have been working on this since 1am. There is more and if we get another day I will add to this but I am exausted and cannot see straight anymore.
Hope this was formatted better and would like postgame comments on how to format better.
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