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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 00:28 GMT
#2441
Wow. Onegu
You totally convinced Cora is scum.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 28 2013 00:34 GMT
#2442
Basic Vote Count


Onegu (1): Mocsta, cDgCorazon, Bereft, Alakaslam, Mocsta, sciberbia, Holyflare, cDgCorazon
Mocsta (0): Mocsta, Chezinu, cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Holyflare
cDgCorazon (1): Onegu, Holyflare, cDgCorazon, Holyflare
Holyflare (6): Bereft, sciberbia, Holyflare, Mocsta, Alakaslam, Chezinu, Onegu
sciberbia (0): cDgCorazon
Chezinu (0): cDgCorazon
Bereft (0): cDgCorazon

Not Voting (0):



Holyflare is currently set to be lynched.

8 players alive means 5 votes to lynch. If you find an error in the vote count, please let me know.

Day 2 ends in at 03:00 GMT (+00:00)
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 00:37 GMT
#2443
Luckily if scum jump off last minute we are ok

Cos tommorow will be 4-3.

Jeez Corazon.
Lemme guess, tomorrow you will refuse to vote onegu lol?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 28 2013 00:44 GMT
#2444
On November 28 2013 09:28 Mocsta wrote:
Wow. Onegu
You totally convinced Cora is scum.

im makeing sure there is a hammer and no shennigans, I set a alarm for 30 munutes til deadlin if people read my case that I spent 5 hours on and want to vote him Im ready.

Cora is scum. I just showed it has to be me or him, and it is him as I am VT. But there has to be a lynch today otherwise we go to lylo with the same damn wagons.. I am makeing sure a lynch happens but really I am feeling bereft is fake claiming.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 28 2013 00:46 GMT
#2445
On November 28 2013 09:44 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 09:28 Mocsta wrote:
Wow. Onegu
You totally convinced Cora is scum.

im makeing sure there is a hammer and no shennigans, I set a alarm for 30 munutes til deadlin if people read my case that I spent 5 hours on and want to vote him Im ready.

Cora is scum. I just showed it has to be me or him, and it is him as I am VT. But there has to be a lynch today otherwise we go to lylo with the same damn wagons.. I am makeing sure a lynch happens but really I am feeling bereft is fake claiming.



Votes me.......?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 28 2013 00:48 GMT
#2446
On November 20 2013 15:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 15:53 sciberbia wrote:
on Cora

+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +

On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Moc obv town. Fuck da police!

I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said.

agree or disagree.

On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
I understand some people view early trolling as part of the game, however, I would think you do not fall into this category.
In fact, I would argue the above is completely out-of-character for a town Aquanim.

On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote:
post 4
K thrawn is town

De ja ducking vu

explain.

you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength.

post 5
Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya.

I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you.

On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.


1) The first thing I want to emphasize is a point brought up by Bereft. Cora singled me out for stating preliminary reads on the first page, but glossed over Mocsta doing the same thing. This inconsistency is suspicious because it suggests that his problem wasn't with the stating of reads (in which case he should have been equally bothered by Mocsta), but rather with me specifically stating suspicion on him.


2) Next, I find suspicious Cora's early criticisms of my play. At first, the criticisms had a tone of "sciberbia's play is bad" (but not scummy).

+ Show Spoiler [neutral criticisms] +

On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.


On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!

mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other


@thrawn
You are masons?

Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it.


On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:

...
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.

The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive?


I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.

Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.



I find criticism of "bad play" in the first couple pages suspicious in general. Scum find it tempting to discredit townies and promote a negative town atmosphere. Townies on the other hand are more likely to be in a joyous mood after receiving their role PM, rather than antagonistic.


3) But specific to Cora, I'm troubled by the fact that when questioned about these posts by Bereft, Aquanim, and Thrawn, he retroactively analyzes my previous posts as scummy, whereas before his comments were noncommittal criticisms. If he really found my first few posts so scummy, the noncommittal criticisms are very unnatural.

Originally he said this:
+ Show Spoiler [very alignment neutral] +

On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.



But then later this when questioned by thrawn:
+ Show Spoiler [scummy] +

On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Thrawn
In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum.



So according to Cora, he was thinking that I was scum simultaneously as he was writing that you cannot find scum on the first page? That's a pretty blatant contradiction and it seems more likely one that scum would make than town.


I'd appreciate feedback on this case. I think it's the strongest one in the thread right now so

##Vote: cDgCorazon

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I'm going to bed.



Oh and I forgot to add this to the unhelpful portion.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 00:48 GMT
#2447
I was being sarcastic.

Your case looked like holyflare wrote it.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 28 2013 00:48 GMT
#2448
On November 28 2013 09:48 Mocsta wrote:
I was being sarcastic.

Your case looked like holyflare wrote it.



Ill take that as a compliment?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 28 2013 00:51 GMT
#2449
But basicly I am fairly certain no one will read it. And I wasted my night.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 28 2013 00:52 GMT
#2450
Like, I get why you'd put a vote on me, my play hasn't been anything like my meta's for either alignment and I haven't contributed in the traditional way. However, there is a guy that has his vote on me (onegu) even though he doesn't believe the guy that started the counter is legit (bereft) and is convinced that another person (cora) is scum but he is voting me.

There is a guy that fake claimed cop (cora) in the middle of the night whilst I claimed medic and 2 people died, one of them wasn't me. I am a total liability for the late game if I was doctor and so they thought to get me off for this lynch, the culprits being bereft mainly. I outed cora as clearly a fake cop but that's not enough either, I'm still scum because......? Oh yeh, a scum showed you his fake claim. Mocsta is going along with the vote, slam is afk and then just votes with thread sentiment, scibs is the same.

The whole thread is doing anti-town discussion whilst I generate good discussion! Blue state is best state. Blue forever.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 28 2013 00:56 GMT
#2451
Literally voting me off = lose right now
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 01:00 GMT
#2452
So scum is according to holyflare now
Cora, bereft and onegu??

Lol
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 01:01 GMT
#2453
@HF: just stop, this is getting a bit embarrassing for you. if you wanted any town credibility whatsoever maybe you should've put in at least an ounce of effort sooner.

@Onegu: no, your case is on a strong town read of mine. but since you've spent so much time on it, I'll read it after dinner!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 28 2013 01:02 GMT
#2454
In fact, the real question that I want to raise, is why did bereft only mention about my role pm now? My doctor claim was clearly fake it didn't have (doctor) in brackets! He is legitamately scum and got a fake role pm to counter claim mine, that's why it took him so long to say it out loud, he only mentioned it when cora started getting flak for his cop claim too.

So convenient methinks!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 28 2013 01:04 GMT
#2455
On November 28 2013 10:00 Mocsta wrote:
So scum is according to holyflare now
Cora, bereft and onegu??

Lol


Here we have the guy that has an entire case made on him because he changes his reads throughout the game, yet, when someone else does it it's "Lol", I hope you people read into this guy more because he is a hypocrite, he policy lynches people that get called town and is now lynching off another towny, if the game somehow does not end tonight please don't sleep on him!
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 28 2013 01:04 GMT
#2456
On November 28 2013 09:52 Holyflare wrote:
Like, I get why you'd put a vote on me, my play hasn't been anything like my meta's for either alignment and I haven't contributed in the traditional way.

The whole thread is doing anti-town discussion whilst I generate good discussion! Blue state is best state. Blue forever.


lol so troll

We dont need cora just stay on HF. Scum would all have to out themselves to save him and we could just lynch them tmrw
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 28 2013 01:05 GMT
#2457
Onegu ill read your case later. On phone atm
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 28 2013 01:07 GMT
#2458
On November 28 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 09:52 Holyflare wrote:
Like, I get why you'd put a vote on me, my play hasn't been anything like my meta's for either alignment and I haven't contributed in the traditional way.

The whole thread is doing anti-town discussion whilst I generate good discussion! Blue state is best state. Blue forever.


lol so troll

We dont need cora just stay on HF. Scum would all have to out themselves to save him and we could just lynch them tmrw


please inform me where your helpful discussion has been because today I:

1) Proved to you that the cop claim was indeed a lie

2) Showed you 2 scum that you are clearly not discussing, it's an actual joke that nobody is talking about the moves that people have done today, they are actually afk lynching me with no discussion. If I am scum then you are nowhere nearer to lynching 2 other scum in this game. Congratulations, free scum victory.

3) There is a butt load of information about people from my play today, hopefully, if chezinu is in fact town he can read up on people's reactions on it.

sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 28 2013 01:10 GMT
#2459
HF if you flip town And we lose to cora/bereft scumteam I will apologize profusely and admit I suck at this game. But i really doubt it.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 01:12 GMT
#2460
On November 28 2013 10:10 sciberbia wrote:
HF if you flip town And we lose to cora/bereft scumteam I will apologize profusely and admit I suck at this game. But i really doubt it.

Shameless +1

With caveat
If Cora is scum, I'm never playing with him again.
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