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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 18:34 GMT
#3665
On November 20 2013 03:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
he didn't join at mylo. he joined on D2 or something like that and did absolutely nothing for like 2 cycles

are you really trying to tell me that town hopeless puts effort into games? is that your argument for him being scum in this one?


he puts some contribution towards the game as town, even if he did nothing for 2 cycles (pretty much what he's done day1 here), he came back into the thread and delurked to give reads and information, there are lots of longer posts that detail things compared to this game where there are none.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 18:43 GMT
#3674
Well oats was because I didn't even look into him until I got back. I saw someone mention his name and was like "I don't think oats as done as much" so I looked into him and found it really bad. All null reads, no pushing, asking people for reads. The only other game I had to go by was WHC in which he was completely different and so I based it off of that. I'll be happy to reconsider based off of other games where he is equally as useless though. Useless isn't something I like as a meta though......

I prefered SS because his antagonistic style was townish based on what I've read of other games, the fact he couldn't decide on a read was fine for me as it meant we could all discuss it as a town. It was much better than what happened with the VE incident after all. I also admit I've not read into VE since then which is probably an oversight for me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 18:47 GMT
#3677
Also, rayn, a point on your pandain case that I would like to explore some more is in fact austin. We can do that whenever you want though as you've just posted about Pandain.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 19:42 GMT
#3710
I only posted the mason log because I had concerns lol. Even if I didn't write them down (I told him I thought he was suspicious) I haven't actually checked his posts today though because I thought there were scummier aspects coming from the mocsta affair. Now that I look at it, his mocsta dismissal was very odd, I had to ask him twice to get an actual read out of him. He also has not been here to push any "information" that he gathered from his question asking.

Your pandain case is pretty damning and I'm glad to see hopeless has put some effort into it as well. Will elaborate after dinner.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 20:50 GMT
#3744
Switch to BC then. This lynch is way too easy. Would scum really bus their team mate when alternatively people are considering BC or pandain or austincc scum? If 2 die scum kp goes to 1. I don't think they would risk that therefore it is pretty unlikely BH is actually scum or we are incredibly wrong about these reads.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 20:58 GMT
#3749
That's the thing about this BH lynch that bugs me. Nobody is specifically going to gain any town credit for it but there is a lot to lose from it if he is actually scum (a potential power role, an extra person dragging the scum kp closer to 1). Why would he make such randomly shit lying plays?

Can someone answer when specifically he unclaimed tracker? Was it after the 2 trackers got revealed or before?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 20:59 GMT
#3750
I want to know who masoned with VE, like right now preferably.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 21:03 GMT
#3755
On November 20 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 05:58 Holyflare wrote:
That's the thing about this BH lynch that bugs me. Nobody is specifically going to gain any town credit for it but there is a lot to lose from it if he is actually scum (a potential power role, an extra person dragging the scum kp closer to 1). Why would he make such randomly shit lying plays?

Can someone answer when specifically he unclaimed tracker? Was it after the 2 trackers got revealed or before?

That's because BH lynch is not scum driven because i am town.
Why would BH play like shit as town? If we do not lynch him now he will continue play like shit and you know it because you just played with him in a game where he played just as shit as he does now.


No I agree with that it's just that i'd prefer him to get lynched tomorrow in say a double lynch where it doesn't really matter as much what he is. I think BC/Pandain/Austin are far better targets for a today lynch, much information to be gained from it that can lead to a productive double lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 21:04 GMT
#3756
On November 20 2013 06:00 Mattchew wrote:
##vote: BloodyC0bbler


This is his play btw. Choo choo, lets do this!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 21:51 GMT
#3799
On November 20 2013 06:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 06:22 supersoft wrote:
This game is almost unreadable. I just skimmed through the last 20 pages and there is no content. It's just a huge monologue of rayn. I have to think about that. Maybe i'll do it in my next scumgame.
WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin.


supersoft! ignore everyone else. if you really think that rayn is cluttering up the thread then stop talking about him

You thought BH was assassin before I posted his claim right?

Do you still think this? Why aren't you trying to save him? Oats is probably not getting lynched at this point. The only other two viable lynches seem to be pandain and bc.

A pandain lynch would make me a happy thrawn. I might be willing to consolidate on BC but it's not likely unless he's the only alternative to the BH lynch. I really liked his analysis of the mocsta/grack situation and there's been a few other times where his thought process has lined up with mine.

lol actually no i'm not lynching BC. imo he's the towniest out the vet group and I distinctly remember marv participating in a heated discussion about balancing teams

can everyone on BH look and panda and grack one more time?


That's the biggest thing that makes him NOT town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 21:53 GMT
#3803
Can someone answer when BH unclaimed tracker? Was it after 2 trackers were revealed or before?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 21:57 GMT
#3812
Can't we just vig him?? If he doesn't die, he's the assassin and we don't waste lynches. I actually want information from other lynches so we can win the game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 23:00 GMT
#3905
On November 20 2013 07:23 Pandain wrote:
I think BC is pretty town right now. That post was pretty good. If he can just explain to me in our mason chat the SS-BC thing more clearly for me, then I would have a stronger town read on him.


No, his first real arrival in the thread is calling everyone shit, yet, he adds nothing to stop town being shit in the slightest. He just tells us awful reasoning for someone being shit and no actual content.


Let me break this down for you;
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 20 2013 07:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Jesus fucking christ. I come home from work, after attempting to clear myself of tunnel vision and instead of finding a thread filled with happy bunnies and butterfly style of posting I get retardation at its finest. Seriously. What the fuck happened in the last few years that made people who trolled, actively played against win cons, etc... that this is considered town play and also acceptable play? Jesus.

Mattchew has done fucking nothing all game but spout bullshit and vanish into the mists. Is he being discussed for it no? Why the fuck would you, people who've been playing the game for years are allowed to do retarded shit and be ignored.

Holyflare has also done nothing fucking all game. He is harrassed for ages about not doing shit all then makes a giant post on 3 people under huge suspicion. He then goes to vote for one who apparently wasn't his top scum pick. He actively says so. Since when is lurking, only posting when pushes/analyzed, posting analysis on 3 top targets of the day, and then NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUM READ FUCKING TOWN PLAY.

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On November 20 2013 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
Switch to BC then. This lynch is way too easy. Would scum really bus their team mate when alternatively people are considering BC or pandain or austincc scum? If 2 die scum kp goes to 1. I don't think they would risk that therefore it is pretty unlikely BH is actually scum or we are incredibly wrong about these reads.


That fucking logic? A guy is caught in thread, LYING ACTIVELY, trolls for days, actively doesn't help and rather than realize that scum would go "fuck this guy". BH is a Vet player. If he was town he'd have at least done something. Dropped analysis, dropped a bombshell of something to try and save himself. Is he doing that? No he gave up. But don't worry. Scum would actively not bus a teammate who got caught out completely in thread just to spare themselves 1 kp. Dont worry guys, Holyfaggot has figured the game out!

Dear fucking god people.

Hopeless1nder. Why has no one really talked about him? The guy fucking does what? Nothing? Ever? Wanders into the thread, a wild hopeless1nder appears. He uses dickall and peace. Its apparently super effective. Why? Because hes being ignored completely, not posting shit all, and skating by for it. However its not like I can blame you fucks for it because we have people who are allowed to troll/spam/be utterly useless pieces of trash cluttering the thread.

Grackerfuckingroni. You know what. Im not going to bother to make a case on this fucker. Hes scum. If any of you can name 5 fucking things hes done all game that have helped this town then Ill change that view. Seriously. Find me 5 points where he helps. The guy since being "confirmed town" has done absolutely dick fuck to help anyone. He has actively said hes not going to stop trolling ie hes going to continue being an unhelpful piece of trash. Hey though, TL towns know that being a town member is about being retardedly bad so its ok!

Pandain. Go fuck yourself. You are actively viewing me as scum for the most bullshit logic I've ever heard. If you don't realize the reasons you were told what you were was specifically because of my read of you then your fucking stupid. Seriously.

Alakslam doesnt contribute really anything. He doesn't justify his current vote at all, hell his vote swap went completely unnoticed. Hey its ok tho, the guy doesn't do shit all game but hug peoples coattails anyway. Im glad this shit is acceptable because thats how you get solid reads on people right? Let them not do shit at all and be ignored. Yep, good glad im learning something.

How about Risen? Whats he done lately other than to appear and jump onto a bandwagon, what did he do at all actually? Nothing, got yea. Im glad to see this shit is fine.

The only players in this game not playing like complete garbage are SS, Rayn, arguably VE and maybe artanis.

There are a few trying at least to not play like garbage. Myself in that list. However given the entire clusterfuck of this thread and how retarded virtually everyone is being, the entire scum team is likely on that list of people I just mentioned. You know why? Because town is so bloody unorganized and we currently have people trying to swap people OFF OF A CONFIRMED LIAR WHOS DONE NOTHING BEFORE OR SINCE TO A) JUSTIFY HIS REASONS FOR IT OR B) ATTEMPTING TO PROVE HIMSELF NOW.

Seriously? What motivation is there for any player to take someone they have 100% certainty is fucking scum, and goes "lets lynch someone else"

Jesus, i know ive played like ass this game, but the level of retardation going on is just fucking ridiculous.



The general jist of it is just aggressive for no reason whatsoever. It's clearly a BH lynch at this present moment so why does he feel the need to be so angry when town IS actually in the right direction in his opinion? Not to mention that but he says that I mention 3 people that are big names that have been discussed but then right after mentions that NOBODY has discussed hopeless (1 of the 3 people I accused in my post???) It's indicative that he has in fact NOT read what is happening, he wants to point out past indiscretions to make it look like he has caught up.

He has no thoughts on what a BH lynch would actually provide for the town, what is the point of his lying, why would he TELL somebody that he is lying and what information would we gather today from a BH lynch over anyone else that has ACTUALLY contributed today? He doesn't care, he doesn't want to provide information on how we proceed, he just wants to attack people that are lurking needlesly.

People that called this post "really good" and "bc so town", get fucked.


On November 20 2013 07:23 Pandain wrote:
I think BC is pretty town right now. That post was pretty good. If he can just explain to me in our mason chat the SS-BC thing more clearly for me, then I would have a stronger town read on him.

On November 20 2013 07:26 Grackaroni wrote:
that post was actually pretty good. I just skipped ahead to the grackerfuckingroni lol.



We only have 1 lynch today and if he wants BH so badly, why is he so mad that we aren't lynching anyone else for their bad play? There is no possible way we can lynch the people he's talking about today and so his entire post is feigned contribution. He's picking off a list of lurkers. Lynch this guy dear god.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 23:18 GMT
#3923
On November 20 2013 08:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey Holy. I came back from work to see 3 people swap votes. I know one of them is a big voice. I read the thread and sentiment is slowly turning to the "maybe we should lynch bh later" bullshit.

Mig and I both have commented on hopeless. He has been since day 1 I believe.

I love how me not pointing out how obviously good the bh is and how its been harped on to death already makes my post bad. However I do love how you are attempting to post. Badly mind you, but still you are attempting. Have you noticed however that you only seem to stick around when people harass you to actually you know, do shit?


That's not really true, BH does this shit as town and scum it just proves he doesn't want to play/doesn't have time to play. It's a wasted lynch today because he won't do ANYTHING. Tomorrow is a double lynch and I think we have a great chance to lynch scum today if we lynch into you or pandain. After hopeless made his post on pandain I feel like he's upped himself a bit to at least a null for now and so I'm not sure about him and people have just said useless oats just means useless oats not exactly scummy so I'm off him too. That only leaves you/pandain/bh, of those 3 I think the best chance we have of finding scum is to lynch you or pandain to at least reveal associative tells for tomorrow's double lynch and increase our chances of finding more scum. BH can be lynched any time but his lynch won't reveal anything. Why NOT just do it tomorrow and go after the people that you pushed in your post?

Do you actually believe anyone is a scum tell other than the people you claim to be lurky?

Nobody has really harassed me today, I was away for pretty much 40 hours and returned with my big post (including mason chats with austin that make him look sneaky in regards to mocsta etc) so your point is pretty much invalid.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 23:21 GMT
#3926
I'm not JUST talking to him, there are many other people in the thread that can read and take away from that post.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 23:22 GMT
#3928
Explain to me what you get from a BH lynch today that you couldn't get tomorrow in the double lynch?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 23:24 GMT
#3931
There are 5 scum left they are on 2kp, BH dies and is scum, it goes to 4 people, still 2kp. BH is town/3p, scum is still 2kp. You then have no associative tells, no new information and barely anything to go on the next day when we lynch into 2 people.

We kill BC/Pandain, high probability of hitting scum, KP stays same but we have LOTS of posts to draw tells and analyse from.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 23:37 GMT
#3938
Based off yours and Hopeless' filter dives, hence why I reevaluated hopeless.

On November 20 2013 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
I only posted the mason log because I had concerns lol. Even if I didn't write them down (I told him I thought he was suspicious) I haven't actually checked his posts today though because I thought there were scummier aspects coming from the mocsta affair. Now that I look at it, his mocsta dismissal was very odd, I had to ask him twice to get an actual read out of him. He also has not been here to push any "information" that he gathered from his question asking.

Your pandain case is pretty damning and I'm glad to see hopeless has put some effort into it as well. Will elaborate after dinner.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 23:53 GMT
#3948
I would, -1 scum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 19 2013 23:59 GMT
#3951
Duh
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