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On November 18 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 06:14 Grackaroni wrote:Koshi, you mentioned Storrzerg a few times as scum and have not given any reasoning for your scum read. On November 17 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote: I could see Storrzerg being scum. I was not impressed when we talked earlier. But rayn lynch is better. On November 17 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi
I don't support your reads.
Skanj4b: nha Pandain: nha just isn't playing hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha. Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today. Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why? What is it that differentiates Storrzerg from other lurkers? His first scumread was Mattchew but when I pressured him about he he didn't know what to say. Koshi my gut did the same thing. Look at my pleas with the guy.
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Kudos Yamato for thy skill.
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On November 18 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 07:26 Alakaslam wrote:On November 17 2013 23:12 Spaghetticus wrote: I want him dead.
That lynch confirmed that I was right to not want him mayor at the very least. I'm struggling to see how he could possibly be town, though I'm willing to admit that there may be some meta thang the rest of you have access to, like in the case of BH. Then you should be suspicious of Austinmcc- I helped him put SuperSoft up and he switched to VE on me. Read my posts around that time, slam. You're misconstruing what I wanted to do. I wanted VE > Supersoft > yamato. I voted super instead of myself to push him up to even with yamato (it was 9-8-7 VE/Yam/Super iirc). So it hit 9-8-8 iirc, with yamato still being pardoner. Then you voted ss, which made it 9-8-9, and i was safe to hop onto VE, the guy I ultimately wanted to win. I did not want someone to pop in and knock ss over VE and into mayor. This makes perfect sense, and being there I would know that. But if spaghetticus sees VE as scum, it implicates you or he is not thinking clearly.
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On November 18 2013 07:43 austinmcc wrote: Can you point out where? I know you spoke with him later, but I thought that was about his VE case/post, I saw something on that, but I didn't see anything about that initial post spaghetticus made. Well it is in my filter on page
Wait
Wtf
...yeah I forgot
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On November 18 2013 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 05:34 austinmcc wrote:On November 18 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What do you make of Alakaslam? Ugh. I THINK I read him town. I look through, I see trolling, I see ... posts. Some letters and stuff. I pull out things like this: On November 16 2013 18:42 Alakaslam wrote:On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it? + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote: I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.
On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.
LoneMeow masoning incident: I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.
Artanis and SS: SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.
Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?
Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?
I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.
Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.
Grack: The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that: - Grack does not care (useless town) - Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely) - Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely) - Grack is scum (most likely) The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.
Yamato lynching BC: I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable. Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC. That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.
Sharrant: I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.
Kushmasta: His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive. Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town. Probably a length issue, I appreciate the spoiler. I will come back to this Nobody responded to spaghetticus's early big post, alakaslam responds to the followup, saying he'll get to it, never does. Often saying you'll do stuff and then not is scummy, but I actually read this townie, because this post is NOTHING but interacting with someone who most people aren't, saying you'll read his thing, and then never actually following through. I don't see that as a scummy missed promise (I'm gonna do this, I will give my read on x, etc.), but more a townie thing, here's some dude that wants comments, I will give him some comments, oops, forgot. There's a lot of trolling, but there are lots of little posts that show...he's thinking about stuff behind the trolling? On November 17 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote:On November 17 2013 09:07 Grackaroni wrote: I wish the mayors would just make it clear exactly who they will lynch. I doubt Yamato is still going to kill BH. I would lynch Stutters695. It doesn't matter. Nobody is really discussing stutters (who is super duper absent still ). Slam just claimed to want to run for mayor, gave an ACTUAL candidate, one nobody was talking about, but never pushed anything. He's noticing stutters, mentioning him, when who cares about stutters at this point. Seems like he's watching the game. When I responded to his trolly "I'm lying, are you going to lynch me?" comment by trolling, he just posted laughter. Seemed lighthearted, no need to follow that up if he's mafia, or if he wants to follow up he can just post more trolly stuff. Instead, he acknowledges it and no more trolling on that subject. I can't quite put my finger on much more, but I get a general ... aura of townieness from his posts. It's weak, and basically my read on him relies on the fact that he didn't do something minor that he said he would, which I've decided to read as townie. We'll do a quick one, LoneMeow. I actually did get to that. Didn't have much to say. I was in general agreement with him, with a few notes. So my notes on this, since I never actually posted them, were that I felt SuperSoft did have "good points in his tirade however" (wth I don't remember what that was about) and that I otherwise agreed. I guess I will read it again and comment further.
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On November 18 2013 07:47 Blazinghand wrote:I am gonna slap down (link)a couple of scumreads before I get rolling also if anyone has any ideas about who I should track tonight let me know I agree with thrawn and VE re: grack's seriousness level. We should consider grack for a lynch tomorrow not because he is non-serious at times (link) but rather what he chooses to be non-serious about. As VE notes, (link) Grack spends a lot of time talking about kush and pushing for a kush mayorship (link) to the exclusion of discussing other things. After being called out on it, he moves to other topics, but ultimately his decision to engage people in a non-serious attitude lets him say things that he can just ignore/backtrack later (examples like support for my RNG lynch : (link) or voting yamato to push BC when yamato ends up wanting to lynch me, and not unvoting yamato despite that (link)). Ultimately what we see isn't just someone trolling, but someone strategically opting out of the discourse by taking up trolling positions, admitting they're trolling (link) (link), and leaving his vote (or his case) wherever it is convenient for him. The point he makes re: BC isn't inherently bad, but he implies that BC trying to look productive is actually scummier than Grack not trying to; and this is false. Grack can back away from any position he takes, and has, and ducks under the radar for it. This is what scum do. How much do you really know about Grack's positions? very little-- he seems to constantly change his mind about things, and never takes a serious stance. A good play for a scum player. This is the articulation of my Grack read so far. Doesn't 100% confirm him as scum but it leans that way.
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On November 18 2013 07:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 07:47 Alakaslam wrote:On November 18 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:On November 18 2013 06:14 Grackaroni wrote:Koshi, you mentioned Storrzerg a few times as scum and have not given any reasoning for your scum read. On November 17 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote: I could see Storrzerg being scum. I was not impressed when we talked earlier. But rayn lynch is better. On November 17 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi
I don't support your reads.
Skanj4b: nha Pandain: nha just isn't playing hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha. Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today. Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why? What is it that differentiates Storrzerg from other lurkers? His first scumread was Mattchew but when I pressured him about he he didn't know what to say. Koshi my gut did the same thing. Look at my pleas with the guy. Point me towards it pl0x Roughly pages 3-4 of my filter, sprinkled between 2-5. But that is basically reading the whole thing.
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Yeah the Kush4mayor stuff was pretty unacceptable, puts Pandain in similar boat with Grack IMO.
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On November 18 2013 08:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 08:07 Alakaslam wrote:On November 18 2013 07:55 Koshi wrote:On November 18 2013 07:47 Alakaslam wrote:On November 18 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:On November 18 2013 06:14 Grackaroni wrote:Koshi, you mentioned Storrzerg a few times as scum and have not given any reasoning for your scum read. On November 17 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote: I could see Storrzerg being scum. I was not impressed when we talked earlier. But rayn lynch is better. On November 17 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi
I don't support your reads.
Skanj4b: nha Pandain: nha just isn't playing hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha. Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today. Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why? What is it that differentiates Storrzerg from other lurkers? His first scumread was Mattchew but when I pressured him about he he didn't know what to say. Koshi my gut did the same thing. Look at my pleas with the guy. Point me towards it pl0x Roughly pages 3-4 of my filter, sprinkled between 2-5. But that is basically reading the whole thing. The only thing I see is a bird that looks tasty with cranberry sauce. THAT BIRD IS A CHUPAZI
IF YOU EAT ONE OF THOSE YOU WILL DIE
Because it's a freaking vulture lol
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On November 15 2013 12:42 Alakaslam wrote:You have a really poor show this game but it is better than nothing. Explain your read on VE since "that is all" is tough to swallow. "Gut read" is an explanation albeit weak.
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On November 15 2013 13:56 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 13:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 15 2013 13:03 Alakaslam wrote:On November 15 2013 12:55 yamato77 wrote: Even if I misinterpreted hiro's singular post, the rest of his filter is still drivel and I think he fits nicely in the category of useless players posting nonsense when there's reads to discuss.
Pandain looks better than he did early game, but grack is still being a useless fuck and is in the same category as hiro.
Super is more belligerent than I've ever seen him and also overall not seemingly invested too much into the actual game. His start to the game was rocky at best and he came under fire for it rightly so. His response was to OMGUS and insult the people calling him out, and then never to commit fully to any reads.
Mig's one post was pro town but it was essentially meaningless. Of the "conversation" Moc talked about, this is the most interesting aspect because Mig never followed up on the question or offered his own thoughts. Perhaps he is a generally lurky player, but I expect better if he,s supposedly a vet.
Oats and VE are my two solid town reads. Everyone else either hasn't posted at all or isn't posting anything I find alignment indicative. If anything anyone could say particularly indicated "town" everyone would post that every game. Which is why there isn't such a thing. Yamato's post here highlights that nicely and I wanted to take an opportunity to point it out. That being said, I take it personally as a failure to ditch my meta and will continue under that assumption. I will prove my alignment, and I will not be lynched. If I am lynched this game I am absolutely at a loss to improve. This statement should not indicate my alignment as it is WIFOM. Coag who do you want for mayor and am I swinging BH? thought you were scum now i dont Is it all gut sir.
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On November 16 2013 10:00 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote: mattchew is town
i lean town on storr too Alakaslam is scum Are you going to lynch me based on that? This sentence, and the one before it, are lies. Are you going to lynch all liars?
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On November 17 2013 03:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:04 Mattchew wrote: BC grack OOH can all die. BH too but not for alignment reasons Matthew for the love of being listened to WHYYYY?!??!?
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On November 18 2013 08:19 Koshi wrote: Hmm. We were talking about Mattchew? I was talking about StorrZerg.
I would say Storrzerg = scum. Mattchew = Lurky lurk lurk I'm saying the difference between me and Storrzerg regarding Mattchew is simply that I am less visceral and more reserved with my reads.
I don't see a reason to base Storrzerg scumminess on that alone, and if you continue to do so after this point that will make me lend credence to your own detractors.
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On November 18 2013 08:24 Pandain wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Stutters695This is unacceptable and is also a pretty good lynch. Don't say that this is always Stutters play because he played damn better in ##. And he said he was going to lurk alot in his scum game with me when we were both scum. The part for BH that I can't get over is that he justifies his claim which is the main force certifying my scum read of him. You have plenty of bull to answer for yourself before I lend you much credence.
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On November 18 2013 08:31 Grackaroni wrote:Tomorrow we lynch Koshi + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 23:43 Koshi wrote:supersoftDo you really want to be Mayor? Your first post: Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 08:59 supersoft wrote: okay okay okay, i think we need to elect me for mayor. Otherwise it's yet another game where i pass away n1. Your second post is you trying to stir up Yamato/VE who were at that point the most active posters in the thread that also wanted to be Mayor. The same second that you posted this you should have known that they would be mad. Why did you post this? Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote: Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown. I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else. Oats said that you search for confrontation and are able to read people after that? But to me this looks like plain old shitting up the thread for no reason at all. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:17 supersoft wrote: lol VE and yamato are pissed, because they're not considered to be serious candidates... No surpise. And not exactly protown.
Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:19 supersoft wrote:On November 15 2013 09:18 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:17 supersoft wrote:lol VE and yamato are pissed, because they're not considered to be serious candidates... No surpise. And not exactly protown. On November 15 2013 09:01 yamato77 wrote: electing someone so they don't get shot is not my idea of how D1 should play out That is exactly how we should play. And your ideas are exactly the reason, why you're no serious candidate. Who guarantees me that you not just fold and leave the game after d1 if we elect you? Seriously yamato... Yeah, super's mafia. oh god, you're reatarded. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:21 supersoft wrote:On November 15 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 15 2013 09:17 supersoft wrote:lol VE and yamato are pissed, because they're not considered to be serious candidates... No surpise. And not exactly protown. On November 15 2013 09:01 yamato77 wrote: electing someone so they don't get shot is not my idea of how D1 should play out That is exactly how we should play. And your ideas are exactly the reason, why you're no serious candidate. Who guarantees me that you not just fold and leave the game after d1 if we elect you? Seriously yamato... This is false. Please address the post where I explain what my reasoning for not liking your statement actually is. On November 15 2013 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote: Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown. I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else. Fuck this. This is garbage. You mean this peace of wisdom??? Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:24 supersoft wrote:On November 15 2013 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 15 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 15 2013 09:18 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:17 supersoft wrote:lol VE and yamato are pissed, because they're not considered to be serious candidates... No surpise. And not exactly protown. On November 15 2013 09:01 yamato77 wrote: electing someone so they don't get shot is not my idea of how D1 should play out That is exactly how we should play. And your ideas are exactly the reason, why you're no serious candidate. Who guarantees me that you not just fold and leave the game after d1 if we elect you? Seriously yamato... Yeah, super's mafia. Not so fast super-friend. super is an arrogant ass regardless of alignment. We must continue to observe. Patiently. super's not this bad as town, is he? super does stuff like say controversial stuff to see how people react. Is it bad? Who's to say? I'm willing to write him off as arrogant and observe others. What do you think of Oats and his blatant lies? Typical non-reading-shittalking? Or something slightly more sinister? Write me off and "observe others" you're pretty dodgy. ... You enter the thread claiming that you need to be elected. But instead of gathering support you are shitting up the thread and annoying the living shit out of VE and Yamato. Why? If you want to be elected, wouldn't it be better to play nice with these 2? Btw, what is your read on VE and Yamato atm? I don't like this first attack at all. Koshi implies that SS is scum for shitting up the thread and insulting other players but this is just standard SS play. I don't think even Koshi understands why he is calling SS scum. He decides that SS is not really trying to get elected, and that he is scum because of that, but there is probably more motivation for scum players to want to appear pro-town early and become mayor. Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:55 Koshi wrote: Told you guys he would come back with a bang.
@BC StorrZerg - Not enough content, don't understand why so many people are disappointed with him, because that is the main reason on why he is scum? Wasn't that incredible awesome in Hogwarts. Grackeroni - Can lynch. Don't know if he would flip red. Truly useless. Don't know if he plays this game to find scum.
@rayn Holyflare - I liked Holyflare his posts in Hogwarts on D1, don't like them now. Could be because he doesn't know the answers this game. Don't see why he is scummy. This contradiction is a big deal to me. The first line should imply that he is in favor of BC's post, yet he ends up disagreeing with all of his points. It's inconsistent and I think he is just making up his reads out of thin air. Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 04:52 Koshi wrote:On November 16 2013 04:43 supersoft wrote:On November 16 2013 04:26 Koshi wrote:On November 16 2013 03:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't have a single scumread of the following players and would like to hear from them their answer to two very simple questions: 1. Who is scum? 2. Why? The following players are: Mattchew, Koshi (!!, already has 3 pages of filter), Storrzerg, Skanjab1s, hiro protagonist, Hopeless1der, Stutters695, Spaghetticus, VayneAuthority, Mr. Cheesecake, and BlazingHand. Some of these haven't posted yet but I want them to tell me as soon as they've caught up. From the vets/actives I am not a supersoft fan. I said why. I am still waiting on follow ups/more posts from others. So you're no fan or do you think I am scum? I just find it odd that you were such a friendly fellow in Hogwarts who was more in the background helping around. It was only after you died N1 that I found out that you were a vet. This game you entered the thread elbows forward and smacked down VE/Yamato and started the early shitfest between you people. Don't know if it is scummy. But it isn't ideal at all. I mentioned this earlier, I don't like the phrasing in this post. He seems afraid to outright accuse Supersoft, but he still wants to cast suspicion on to him. Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 05:01 Koshi wrote:On November 16 2013 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 16 2013 04:53 Koshi wrote: Also, I have it always a bit harder in the start of a game. Especially big games. lol in Aperture you were like confirmed town at this point of the game. Yeah and in Noir I didn't do jack shit till the end of Day 1 and start yelling you were scum. Well, I did make a case on Mocsta about stuff. Aperture I wasn't too awful in early game. I give you townpoints for thinking about a game in which you were town. Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 05:06 Koshi wrote:On November 16 2013 05:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 16 2013 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 16 2013 04:32 Koshi wrote: If I have to name a second name out of the actives it would be rayn. Like if you really really force me to name 1 more. Don't think I will be against his lynch today. I'm glad you named someone without me really really forcing you to. I'd like to know why too though. ctrl + f "Koshi" in rayn his filter. I get mentioned too many times but he doesn't interact with me at all. Except for the "Koshi why do you play so weird". Also, I am not impressed by rayn at all. His case on Holyflare is bad and he is not convincing anybody that Holyflare is scum. Once again I think Koshi is playing scared. Earlier he said that he might be ok with lynching Rayn, and then as soon as Rayn accused him, he started giving him townie points for absolutely no reason. He also rushes in to Rayn's filter and searches his own name and tries to use that as a point against Rayn. After that exchange insists several times that Rayn has to be scum for having a weak case, which isn't terrible reasoning. I don't like how much he uses the fact the people aren't listening to him to point towards him being scum. That is terrible reasoning. + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote: Rayn
Let's start with the 6 names rayn just gave us as his scumreads.
Holyflare : rayn made a case on Holyflare nobody understands or nobody supported. But for some reason rayn believed that people supported his case when he was discussing with me earlier. This so so strange because rayn hates it when people don't listen and follow his cases. rayn is scum and doesn't give 2 shits about his case.
Koshi : Started with townread on me, gave me scumread after I made a case on ss and dropped it. However, rayn doesn't know that he is giving me a scumread for that himself it seems as I asked him about why I am scum earlier and he couldn't reply. It is very strange for rayn to not let the thread know why somebody is scum. Especially when he would think and be able to prove I am scum because he can point out why I am scum pretty easily. (PS: I am not playing afraid, hesitant or restricted this game. Does somebody believe that? Maybe you should ask proof from rayn) (PSII: rayn saying I am scum while I am town makes me bitter)
Sharrant: rayn has had a scumread on Sharrant since Sharrant made the conclusion rayn is scum while it should have been town. Pretty sure that is the same reason why rayn thinks Holyflare is scum. It's just weak, and silly. But could come from town rayn this one. But it's just silly that nobody knows why Sharrant is a scumread from rayn unless you read that 1 post about him.
supersoft: For the same reason I think supersoft is scum (disruptive townplay). So yay for us. I still got a scumread after I made my case on ss though.
Pandain/Grack: Both these names shouldn't be on rayn his list. rayn is confident in reading Pandain so he should be sitting on null till Pandain posts. Grack is scum because he is useless? town rayn ignores useless people if he has 4 scumreads in which he strongly believes. _________
What I want to point out to everybody that scum rayn is still a very active player, it will always look like he is figuring out the game, scum rayn does this because he needs to come in and be able to take control when it is needed. So while it looks like he is atm playing the game and figuring out alignments I want to show you that he isn't. The people that played with a town rayn before know that when rayn is figuring somebody out and starts to have a very strong scumread on this player he makes sure everybody in the thread knows about this. He will repeat constantly why somebody is scum and will try to convince people that he is right in every way possible. therefore, it is really important that you guys note down that rayn hasn't tried to convince any of the possible Mayors why he is town and or push his reads upon them. The 1 towngame rayn played like this would be Aperture but I do not believe this is a repeat of that.
Lynch rayn. I am certain that he is the best bet for scum. When he writes a case on Rayn his reasoning falls short. -Who cares if people ignore his case. That doesn't make him scum. I also don't see him not caring that people disagree with his case. -He says I am afraid. lol you are afraid. -He thinks Sharrant is scum. But he could do this as town. -He has the same SS read as me. -He says he is good at reading Pandain and that Pandain is scum. he should wait longer. (?) -Town Rayn ignores useless players - (I don't know if this is true and I don't actually remember Rayn spending too much time pushing me.) Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:On November 18 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 03:55 Koshi wrote:On November 18 2013 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Koshi apparently is not interested in playing this game. Wonder what taht means. Am I scum again? Well i don't know why are you posting here now if you are notinterested in telling people who is scum and why and you are not interested in discussing anything. Idk, should i think you are town for it? Scummers are Yamato, VA, Storrzerg and yourself. The other 2 are within lurkers. Town Koshi is try hard. Koshi's filter this game is completely devoid of reasoning; he makes up scum reads as he goes along through the thread. He's given no reasoning why VA is scum. He's given no reasoning why Storrzerg is scum. He's given no reasoning why Yamato is scum. He's mentioned all of these people being scum several times throughout his filter before. Koshi isn't town. You need to do the same as pandain needs to do if you want my credence
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On November 18 2013 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok. Explain your scum reads. You. Explain your bull.
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On November 18 2013 08:37 Pandain wrote: Though this isn't the main point of my argument, I'll explain now in one post while it was bad.
Blazinghand is tracker and claims tracker -Reveals he is tracker -Invites him to be roleblocked and cause the second most important blue role to be roleblocked -Invites a kill on him at night
If it was last minute, alright. Even last hour maybe if Yamato was in the lead.
However Yamato was ahead by one vote, in fact BH didn't read this but actually a minute before BH claimed VE was in the lead by one vote. This was also 6 hours before and there was really no certainty that Yamato was going to be mayor. Please address this BH if you want.
Conclusion if town: Poor play, town but didn't think it through
BH is town, not tracker, claims tracker -Manages to get Yamato/others off his ass -Gets town cred and is town(although it's misleading town cred) -Has to justify it later but w/e king of shenanies. -Invites mafia roleblocks/kills on a non-important role. However this is poor play because it invites the real tracker to then claim in thread which would be absolutely awful because then mafia would know that is the true tracker.
Conclusion: Good claim but with terrible drawback that could lead to clusterfuck
Because of this, it is undeniable poor play and a bad claim. I would understand if BH made a mistake because it seems a BH thing to do. However the fact he still stands by his claim really makes him scum in my eyes because he's trying to justify poor play when it's objectively bad play. There are no good reasons.
Blazinghand is thus mafia justifying a poor claim.
I'm attributing this to him pulling a shennanie akin to the wrestling mafia game, and it's backfired. I don't think you are accounting for pride.
Anyway you still have the kushmasta mayor bs what wa that all about.
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On November 18 2013 08:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:On November 18 2013 08:32 Koshi wrote: Grack you are wrong. Ok. Explain your scum reads. Pretty sure I explained rayn scumread. The other ones are scum but not my main concern but sure: Yamato: Scum mayor but couldn't care enough to make it. VA: I feel like he is pushing an agenda. StorrZerg: I feel it in my gut. If you are right about VA, BH is almost certainly scum. Keep in mind.
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