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On November 27 2013 01:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Grack might not be town omg theory fuck my life + Show Spoiler [Bussing Theory] +Okay, so who has pushed Grack this game? Mocsta, BC, Thrawn (All confirmed scum), and scummy people like Coag, and Risen to a certain degree. Problem is, none of these scummers (and potential scummers) have really tried to get him lynched. They've just flung shit at him left and right. Look at that opening D4 post by thrawn, he just says OMG GRACK SCUM. NOBODY in the thread thinks he is scum, why say this now as mafia? To distance yourself from a buddy. Thrawn had an intention behind calling grack scum, and I really can't figure it out other than bussing to make Grack look better if Thrawn flipped. Mocsta and BC both had Grack and scum, Posts on him etc, but never pushed their cases. I feel like everyone who has been calling grack scum hasn't had a good handle on the game from a townie mindset (I.E. they are mafia). There are also quotes in Gracks fitler about all the mafia being on him, and one in Coags filter about all the mafia bussing grack... If Coag / Risen are mafia I'd highly suggest lynching Grack because of this. In no circumstance do we lynch him before lylo. In addition, wtf has grack done this game?!?!!? I've lynched scum this game.
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On November 27 2013 01:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 01:19 Grackaroni wrote:On November 27 2013 01:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Grack might not be town omg theory fuck my life + Show Spoiler [Bussing Theory] +Okay, so who has pushed Grack this game? Mocsta, BC, Thrawn (All confirmed scum), and scummy people like Coag, and Risen to a certain degree. Problem is, none of these scummers (and potential scummers) have really tried to get him lynched. They've just flung shit at him left and right. Look at that opening D4 post by thrawn, he just says OMG GRACK SCUM. NOBODY in the thread thinks he is scum, why say this now as mafia? To distance yourself from a buddy. Thrawn had an intention behind calling grack scum, and I really can't figure it out other than bussing to make Grack look better if Thrawn flipped. Mocsta and BC both had Grack and scum, Posts on him etc, but never pushed their cases. I feel like everyone who has been calling grack scum hasn't had a good handle on the game from a townie mindset (I.E. they are mafia). There are also quotes in Gracks fitler about all the mafia being on him, and one in Coags filter about all the mafia bussing grack... If Coag / Risen are mafia I'd highly suggest lynching Grack because of this. In no circumstance do we lynch him before lylo. In addition, wtf has grack done this game?!?!!? I've lynched scum this game. Kinda but not really. As I said, fuck my life. lol my reads have been impeccable all game long.
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On November 27 2013 01:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 01:22 Grackaroni wrote:On November 27 2013 01:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 27 2013 01:19 Grackaroni wrote:On November 27 2013 01:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Grack might not be town omg theory fuck my life + Show Spoiler [Bussing Theory] +Okay, so who has pushed Grack this game? Mocsta, BC, Thrawn (All confirmed scum), and scummy people like Coag, and Risen to a certain degree. Problem is, none of these scummers (and potential scummers) have really tried to get him lynched. They've just flung shit at him left and right. Look at that opening D4 post by thrawn, he just says OMG GRACK SCUM. NOBODY in the thread thinks he is scum, why say this now as mafia? To distance yourself from a buddy. Thrawn had an intention behind calling grack scum, and I really can't figure it out other than bussing to make Grack look better if Thrawn flipped. Mocsta and BC both had Grack and scum, Posts on him etc, but never pushed their cases. I feel like everyone who has been calling grack scum hasn't had a good handle on the game from a townie mindset (I.E. they are mafia). There are also quotes in Gracks fitler about all the mafia being on him, and one in Coags filter about all the mafia bussing grack... If Coag / Risen are mafia I'd highly suggest lynching Grack because of this. In no circumstance do we lynch him before lylo. In addition, wtf has grack done this game?!?!!? I've lynched scum this game. Kinda but not really. As I said, fuck my life. lol my reads have been impeccable all game long. Mine are impeccable as scum too. I really don't think you are scum, but it's sitting in the back of my mind because that's how I play scum. Were you in Aperture 2? Only reason me and clarity were called scum, was because we were alive. Even though I bussed my entire team. Nah I was not. I'd guess you lost?
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On November 27 2013 01:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 01:27 Grackaroni wrote:On November 27 2013 01:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 27 2013 01:22 Grackaroni wrote:On November 27 2013 01:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 27 2013 01:19 Grackaroni wrote:On November 27 2013 01:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Grack might not be town omg theory fuck my life + Show Spoiler [Bussing Theory] +Okay, so who has pushed Grack this game? Mocsta, BC, Thrawn (All confirmed scum), and scummy people like Coag, and Risen to a certain degree. Problem is, none of these scummers (and potential scummers) have really tried to get him lynched. They've just flung shit at him left and right. Look at that opening D4 post by thrawn, he just says OMG GRACK SCUM. NOBODY in the thread thinks he is scum, why say this now as mafia? To distance yourself from a buddy. Thrawn had an intention behind calling grack scum, and I really can't figure it out other than bussing to make Grack look better if Thrawn flipped. Mocsta and BC both had Grack and scum, Posts on him etc, but never pushed their cases. I feel like everyone who has been calling grack scum hasn't had a good handle on the game from a townie mindset (I.E. they are mafia). There are also quotes in Gracks fitler about all the mafia being on him, and one in Coags filter about all the mafia bussing grack... If Coag / Risen are mafia I'd highly suggest lynching Grack because of this. In no circumstance do we lynch him before lylo. In addition, wtf has grack done this game?!?!!? I've lynched scum this game. Kinda but not really. As I said, fuck my life. lol my reads have been impeccable all game long. Mine are impeccable as scum too. I really don't think you are scum, but it's sitting in the back of my mind because that's how I play scum. Were you in Aperture 2? Only reason me and clarity were called scum, was because we were alive. Even though I bussed my entire team. Nah I was not. I'd guess you lost? No we won convincingly, point is bussing = good tactic toi have. meh I think it would be a pretty stupid tactic. How would I look if I'm sitting in lylo with a group of people like coag/slam/hopeless/you/lonemeow.
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Lol Koshi killing Rayn is not the same as killing Sharrant.
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Also cheesecake signature. Most obv scum in this game
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lol Holyflare relax we have this game in the bag.
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Town! Koshi wants to get an award for lynching Town! Risen? Where are you going with this lol.
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On November 27 2013 10:41 VayneAuthority wrote: §23109812 beep boop beep (for my mafia team only) haha suckers! Agreed.
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On November 27 2013 11:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Its gonna be Risen votes all day. Hey Coag, you know how you get nightkilled? You play the game.
Nah that doesn't work lol. I'm pretty sure you need to lead a mislynch to get NK
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Mafia must be in a pretty good spot right now to kill off Koshi.
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Screw the chrono trigger! I think we should all discuss how scummy Risen is again
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And also the red check on coag which seemed totally legit.
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I don't see how that's any crazier than me just deciding to lynch half of my teammates and not even attempting to push suspicion elsewhere.
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##Vote: Risen
Voted 24 hours
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Coag complaining about people wanting to shorten the day is hilarious.
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On December 02 2013 08:09 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 07:03 austinmcc wrote:
Someone who does NOT think Cheesecake is mafia, please magically appear! Let us converse!
Grack, please magically reappear!
LoneMeow, please magically reappear and talk to me about people other than CC, and why you find/found CC townie!
Oats, please also magically appear and talk to me about why you find/found CC townie!
Yayayayayayayayayayayayayayayaya 1 goal down! Come ooonnnnn, other goals! I think Oats is the best lynch because of BC's interactions with him and some of Pandain's points. BC is really wishy washy with his read on Oats. Considering how hard BC was buddying SS and the RB on Oats and the fact that his only reasoning for people being scummy was that they were useless, I think he would have tried to kill Oatsmaster if Oats was town (especially with his own life on the line and needing a mislynch.) Instead he kept trying to push me for being useless which makes absolutely no sense with SS pushing Oats.
+ Show Spoiler +YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:57 AM ET (US) id prefer others but BH cannot be town. His play is that of scum or assassin. You could make a case likely for either side without any issue.
I am unsure of oats currently based purely on the play this current cycle. I find that harder to see in a scum motivated player compared to a town one.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 19 2013 12:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 19 2013 11:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 11:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Which interactions are you referring to? Because in my experience any and all interactions are /possible/ from scum. I don't think hes tricked me. I recognize he may not have convinced you of anything but I honestly don't think hes tricked me. Well could you weigh in on the BH/Oats thing? Because I was really just mentioning Pandain because Oats and super were arguing, but I'd really like ur input on the stuff that's going on. BH has to die plain and simple. None of his actions have been in anyones betterment but his own. IE hes scum or assassin. I want to say oats is scum. Super has a very decent case on him, and his responses to you and to super since have been well, shit. Rather than attempting to truly defend himself, or create a situation that people could see him as town hes acting like a complete ass. Hes being confrontational for confrontations sake and isn't trying to help anything.
I honestly think unless things shape up he has to go as part of me can see his reactions as just a pissed off townie. + Show Spoiler +75 Supers 11-18-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) i need your opinion on Oats... I am not sure, if there is a KP missing n1, 4 KP, one shot by Mocsta... I think there might be one missing. I am not entirely sure.
Regardless of that, I really think my case has something in it. Do you have any objections you want to talk about? 76 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 09:45 PM ET (US) not sure about a missing kp tbh 5 dead one being red.
Marv said there were 6 mafia in thread so their kp would be 3. That puts them at 4.
Still need to filter dive oats as a ton of your case requires reading them all
+ Show Spoiler +77 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 09:56 PM ET (US) I am going to have to take a step back from my tunneling ive been doing. I realize I am tunneling like I did against yamato only this time with grack -_-
As a note I strongly disagree with your pandain read. I also can see mig based off today potentially being town. I don't like his lack of participation in thread but he is actively updating his reads on his spreadsheet and when he posted today he was making sense as much as it pisses me off to admit.
Id place my reads more like
Town
Koshi VE You Me Artanis OOHchild Pandain
Null
Grack Mig Thrawn Rayn Lonemeow Scum
Hopeless BH
Leaning scum
Oats Holyflare + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2013 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So. Given that people are still retarded and I am still dying I ensure that my reads get dropped sooner rather than later. I have spent time over the last few days filter diving and trying to avoid tunnel vision too terribly. I recognize it happens and I am prone to it.
100% town
BloodyC0bbler Supersoft Pandain Rayn Coag Koshi
Null
Cheesecake Vayne onegu slam lonemeow Risen
Mafia Thrawn Grackeroni HolyFlare Hopeless1nder Oatsmaster Mig (possible) Austin (possible)
Now, what you guys need to do after I flip and you realize you were all bloody wrong is take a long hard look at my reads all game. You will realize I am not bloody retarded like you guys are and with my last will and testament you can win the damn game.
My reasoning behind these choices
Thrawn I suspected Hiro before thrawn subbed in. Primarily from an activity standpoint but his posts that he did have suck. Thrawn since subbing in has been incredibly active for a day then kinda vanished off the radar. The impact he was making is completely gone and honestly done nothing concrete that I would say makes him town. He doesn't feel right.
Grack He has only one solid contribution to an entire game. He pushed mocsta. However his vote didn't get mocsta lynched. As “townie” as it looks, you can't opt to make someone townie for a possible contribution. Since then he has done a bunch of nothing and has actively lied about masoning people. He was called out on this and no one seems to care. This is incredibly fucked beyond belief and honestly escapes me that no one has seen through this ruse yet.
HolyFlare This kid is up there with grack. He has spent the better part of the game tunneling me to shit. He doesn't have a plethora of reads. He even vanishes off the face of the earth. However he always seems to reappear around times I am active to push me to avoid me getting off “heat”. His only other rise to fame is that he was in talks with artanis. Given that holy was in talks with him, he would in the end have known the actual shot target. Rbing the vig then killing him would incriminate me further while leading no heat to himself. This sets up the game for a townie misslynch. Given he is one of the core people pushing repeatedly for my death and I know I'm not scum, that leaves only one option for him which is scum.
Hopeless1nder. Has no real contributions to the game. Is around enough to ensure hes not modkilled, and posts randomly throughout the game. Mimics thread sentiment too much. As such almost guarenteed red.
Oatmaster SS is my top town read. Given that and his rb target n1 and 1 kp missing I am inclined to agree that it could be because of this roleblock but not solely because of it. He has played in such a way that the game has become cluttered whenever he appears. He argues with basically everyone and ruins the thread. He does next to nothing aside from create chaos and make the thread unreadable.
Mig Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. He claims to be extremely logical and in my eye is not playing to that standard. When you are mafia trying to emulate your actual style of play you are bound to mess up at some point. He also vanishes for long periods of time and appears to primarily tunnel.
Austin Honestly He is only here on the offchance that in the 6 names prior to this one 3 flip town. He should be the last to die off this list. His play has been decent overall with a few small minor issues. Given I know how good his scum game can be, these issues could make him scum, but not ahead of anyone else on the list.
Note: I have both supersoft and pandain as town reads primarily because of the masoning. However the back and forth created from pandain/ss about the whole pandain is a vet/one of them lied could mean 1 is scum.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I agree that Cheesecake could also be mafia but I don't feel as strongly about him. He had pretty weak reasoning for his change of mind on BC but he did vote for Thrawn. His interactions with the flipped scum aren't nearly as scummy as I think BC/Oats are. It is kind of scummy that he started putting a lot more effort when scum was losing.
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On December 02 2013 08:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 08:52 Pandain wrote: I find it hard to beleieve you as town don't want to lynch either oats or cheesecake I never said I don't want to lynch oats but I do not want to lynch cheesecake right now. Lynch Oats.
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I have no clue what either of you guys are talking about. Cheesecake never gave any long drawn out definitive reasoning for Risen to be scum either.
On November 24 2013 08:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We lynch risen auto tmrw no shenanies.
Then we look into thrawn/oats/koshi. You and me both SS. Although ill prolly F off most of the time just make me proud.
On November 24 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: OMG SUPER IM SORRY I DOUBTED YOU!!!
OATS LOOKS BAD BUT IDC KILL RISEN 10000000%
I start the claim. I'm VT. Not doctor, Sadly.
On November 24 2013 10:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 10:05 austinmcc wrote: Why is risen mafia, cheese?
Why is thrawn not mafia, or less likely mafia? Because SS said so. Never said thrawn aint maf. Seems a bit biased to me to say that he was bussing Thrawn because he didn't give a lot of reasoning for Thrawn being mafia before his vote switch.
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