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On November 18 2013 01:19 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 01:12 austinmcc wrote:On November 18 2013 01:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
When does Blazing hand usually start playing? I'm interested in his take once he finishes with his survival scheme. Generally earlier than this. He's usually got some posts, and some decent posts, on D1 in the games that I have played with him. I don't find it particularly telling about his alignment, except for a nagging thought that maybe it's an indicator of assassinyness. That's an outside shot though, and I don't expect him or others to play assassiny, whatever that actually means (in my head, playing to avoid getting killed by any faction by normal means, sometimes town BH looks very town and gets shot N1, and assassinBH wouldn't really want that although he could say he was protected or whatever). Ugh what's this? Why wouldn't assasins play like town? Like if they get shot during the night just not claim you were shot? Are scum gonna claim they did shoot you or what? Yes. It's happened a couple times iirc, scum shoots someone who doesn't die, tells urrbody about it. Scum can claim to have been a vigi in a game where the assassins are neutral, or there have been games where scum is mostly screwed and a guy who is outed outs a 3P who can be harmful to town, trying to buy an extra cycle for scum to stay alive and hoping town goes after the 3P. That's not the case here, but there have been enough funky scum/3P interactions that it's a possible consideration.
Yes but assasins don't hurt scum and they don't hurt town. Best for them is to not get lynched, which means play like town. If scum shoot them, good luck outing themselves to get assasin killed. If someone is going to say "i shot that guy and he didn't die and didn't claim, he is assasin" i will lynch the claimer because they are scum. Why would you lynch the assasin because they are not scum?
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Most harm assasin can do is to shoot town, which screws over themselves because they lose their chance to shoot the other assasin. Therefore they do not wanna shoot town. Because they win when the other assasin dies.
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On November 18 2013 01:25 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Most harm assasin can do is to shoot town, which screws over themselves because they lose their chance to shoot the other assasin. Therefore they do not wanna shoot town. Because they win when the other assasin dies. As far as I am concerned. Identifying assassin is only relevant to discern useless town from useless assassin. I would anticpate they play a similar game. Until we get to a point where there are nto enough creditable reads to lynch that BH becomes a priority -- there is no need to discuss assasssin tactics.
You are wrong. Assasins want to play like town because they lose if they get lynched and if scum shoots them nothing happens. Therefore useless =/= assasin most likely.
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And i am all in discussin assasin tactics because the optimal strategy is to be as pro-town as possible until you investigate the other dude. Then you jsut win.
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Koshi'scase against me is "he didn't talk to me". That's dumb.
Now when i talk to him do doesn't talk back.
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On November 18 2013 01:30 Spaghetticus wrote:
I think you should drop the assassin thing too. Unless you're putting infinite effort in and are experiencing a high degree of redundant cognitive action, there is no point in thinking about assassins given just how little influence they have on you finding scum. If there comes a time at which assassins look to have played a real part, then MAYBE it'll be worth considering.
Until that point, it's not worth thinking about, let alone talking about.
I wasn't the one who said "i have an assasin read on this guy" based on bad assumptions.
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I was also instructing the assasins on how to win the game because it also helps town. In case they are as dumb as that guy who said assasins will play useless.
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On November 18 2013 01:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi'scase against me is "he didn't talk to me". That's dumb.
Now when i talk to him do doesn't talk back. He also pokes at how your read on him changes, your scumreads in general, and possibly more. But those two have been mentioned, off the top of my head.
I have no idea what's wrong in my scumreads in genaral, because noone has pointed it out. If you don't believe tham fine, keep on lynching townies then. Not my problem if people can't read because nobody even understood my case on HF while it's pretty clear.
My read on him is not based on what he says but how he says stuff. He's like.. not happy(?) in this game and town!Koshi is happy. idk what to think of him because at the end of D1 he was showing some of his normal town tells.
But anyways i can't read him if he keeps calling me scum for nothing, so i don't even try. Hoep he does something else though as now he's wasting the game on uselessness.
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On November 18 2013 01:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was also instructing the assasins on how to win the game because it also helps town. In case they are as dumb as that guy who said assasins will play useless. Go fuck yourself Rayn. Obviously you found all the scum since you are hunting assassins. So share..
idk where did you get the idea that i am hunting assasins because if i remember correctly you had an maybe assasin read on BH..
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austin the problem is Cheesecake is totally useless as town.
I don't think what you are saying makes him scum.
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I can't have a scumread on you after the last game.
Well i can but as long as you are "helping me" i don't even care if you are scum.
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Actually sec Onegu, i gotta read the austin stuff you said.
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Yeah austin has to be scum.
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Austin's filter is literally filled with nothing.
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Good Spaghettigus.
As you prefer quality over quantity please go through Austin's filter.
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On November 17 2013 07:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 07:08 Pandain wrote:
Holy are you aware VE no longer wants to be mayor and supports supersoft? I do not mind who gets mayor between SS and VE because I feel both of them will listen to what everyone is saying and both have relatively good town reads from me. Not to mention the vest would be on the 2 people I think would be likely targets to be shot tonight. VE has shit targets though so I guess I would prefer him as pardoner. SS doesn't have too great choices but as he just stated he wants to listen to thread sentiment and cases.
supersoft and VE are probably the worst people in this game to listen what other people are saying.
You fall into same category with Austin. You have zero scumreads. You have nothing than poorly defended yourself against my case.
That's pretty bad for a guy who was totally running for mayor and made the best campaign everest.
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I made a case to be mayor but by the days end I did not think I had a solid foundation to be in the slot and thanks to your pushing I am in no immediate danger of being NK'd and so quite clearly the vest was better placed on 2 towny looking people.
So you just wanted the vest? That's why you ran for mayor? That's not what your campaign said.
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As far as cases come I plan to post in the resolution period.
This is bullshit. You don't have cases because you are scum. Nobody will nightkill you even if your cases were right so better start posting them right away.
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On November 18 2013 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I made a case to be mayor but by the days end I did not think I had a solid foundation to be in the slot and thanks to your pushing I am in no immediate danger of being NK'd and so quite clearly the vest was better placed on 2 towny looking people.
So you just wanted the vest? That's why you ran for mayor? That's not what your campaign said. LOL I'm not sure how you extrapolated what you just said from what I wrote but that is a perfect example of your confirmation bias. Thank you.
WEll tell me what does this mean:
"I am in no immediate danger of being NK'd and so quite clearly the vest was better placed on 2 towny looking people"
Be cause what i read is, "My point as mayor wasn't even lynching scum so i didn't care to (1) seriously run for it and (2) didn't try to convince the other candidates of my reads"
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