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A question I do want to ask before you disappear off to dream land..
You mentioned before I was a good lynch over July. Why didn't you prod these while I was here? I knew there was a few questions floating from several people about me. I really wanted to address those while I was here today. Unfortunately no one other than Jonny really asked me much of anything. That bothers me even more considering it was said that our scuffle looked weird to people.
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I don't want anyone to get caught up because they didn't understand something. Jonny doesn't look good to me, but do I want him lynched because he misunderstood my point? No. I want to be able to finish my analysis, get a response, and then move forward from there on whether or not I should try to push a lynch for him.
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Ok, I will be semi afk now again while I finished my reads post. It's getting really late so I want to to to focus it since I don't want to go to sleep before its done..
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EBWOP er, grammar again.. I want to try to focus it**
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I'm going to hold you to it. I would also really like to hear about my analysis from Vane and Nyx.
I'm also not sold on Nyx at this point and he's been getting some questioning. He's characteristically missing from the thread but I honestly expected it. And if you look at his post in context he doesn't seem to be questioning himself. He's also giving us a little more to work with this time around. I'll obviously have to look into it. If/when he post on my reasoning it will give me a chance to see how his logic functions.
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Oh actually, if you are still around pls answer my previous question. "I didn't have anything for you" isn't going to sell me on anything when you just said this;
On November 01 2013 13:46 Balla24 wrote: I feel annoying for only addressing Jonnylaw atm... I feel I'm tunnel visioning a lot.. anyways:
@Jonnylaw: Building a case doesn't mean just find one thing that's inconsistent, quoting a bunch of posts that support that and then going hard on that one thing and then if nobody bites, bring up another point. I completely disagreed with your reasoning for lynching Odin, BUT I didn't have anything concrete on Odin. Only reason I was ok with lynching him was because it would give us a LOT of information and he could have possibly been scum (but there were no tells either way yet, IMO).
I did think he would have been the better lynch, but I also didn't think we would get the votes, especially when we got closer to deadline and were still expecting stuff from him in which he didn't post anything...
Alright. Enough with jonnylaw, gonna try to look at others objectively. Maybe i'm wrong here and both odin/jonny are town... if so sucks that we have such a split town...
Unless I miss-understood, the "better lynch" thing in the middle there is directed at me. If I'm wrong can you re-word this? Because I'm inclined to think you believe I would of been a better lynch.
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@Vane, I'm talking about mine. That I have yet to post. I said I would post it earlier, and I will have it up tonight unless this storm knocks out my power again lol..
But I would like it if you and Nyx tell your thoughts on them. Everyone giving an opinion would be preferable... but the last time I posted up my reads, I got trained for it. And yes, I will be around tomorrow before the night end hopefully to discuss anything that gets brought up. But it's late already, I probably will crash out after I post them up. I would rather discussion come from them rather than a hate train because someone doesn't understand one of my points. (Or if I just don't make any sense because I can't format my post worth nothin'.)
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In advance; I know you guys asked me to try to keep shorter post. Ye, Umm, I can't not be transparent haha.. I was going to post a reads post and then this analysis post separately but since it's already really late I am just going to put this up as one post. It is a short novel, but I did try to keep my points cleaner so people don't get confused. I lost my Vanesco bit (bloody microsoft.). His more recent post cause me to pause but I will change my view on him tomorrow after I get home if I need to.
Balla Stronger townie. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2013 02:51 Balla24 wrote: Also, literally everybody has been jumping on July, whereas only me and Obzy have jumped on Storr. Everybody on July makes me very weary. If you look at this post, this guy is obv scum hunting. "Oh I gave you what I think, well let me refine it and we should notice THIS"
The only thing about Balla is my pevious point I asked him regarding his question on pg 36. I'm going to leave it at this for now since he was around when I got back and we already hashed things out.
Vanesco Lighter Townie. Well, word hates me. I will ad this bit tomorrow after I get home.
Nyx Null + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2013 05:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i actually believe E00e. let's just say i woke up at 4am for a reason and maybe it's to save you E00e.
##unvote
##Vote: OdinOfPergo
I really don't like this post but I do at the same time. If I take Nyx's stance, I just woke up, brushed past what I could for half a second... and then passed back out after I changed my views on said info. Now if I assume he's been here the whole time then this looks pretty bad. But juding from this game and our last game together.. I don't have enough to call you anything other than bad town. Can you elaborate farther on why you think the argument vs me with Jonny/E00 train is valid and changed over to me in your own words? I don't really like the fact you went missing until this next vote but it fits your playstlye well enough I suppose. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2013 12:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote: yay i wasn't on the wrongwagon! i would think one of the people who voted July is scum, and possibly also include other early-voters-who-went-inactive-before-deadline (sadly includes me) + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2013 13:34 nyxnyxnyx wrote: what's your point storr? I'm not entirely sure if I understand Storr's post correctly but I'm inclined to think you just don't get the point he's trying to make. I also don't really feel like his argument is wrong though considering if I hadn't played with you before I'd probably be a lot more suspiscious than I am of you. I'll have a stronger read on you if you answer my prior point, and on how you respond to the Storr case.
Cake Null.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 15:36 cakemanofdoom wrote: As I admitted, I made bad posts. Nothing about what I've done will flat out clear me, and it's perfectly reasonable to keep an eye on me.
My priority is finding mafia, or at least a good day one lynch. Think it's more important than clearing my name right now. So without further ado, main reads after rereading filters:
Tehpoofter started by jumping on me. Reasonable. But the reasoning he provided, about me not directly addressing Balla, feels like a way to seem productive rather than an actual contribution. I think he talks about outside matters too much for my taste; it just isn't helpful and I think that the only game-relevant effect is as an excuse for lurking. From then on, he's been continuing to attack me or explaining himself. His explanations are pretty logical to me, but he's also not being helpful. I still think there's a good chance he's scum.
Storr: It's great that he's trying to direct town to be productive, but he isn't providing anything that helps find mafia (seems helpful without providing the most important part). He's been around in the thread a bit too long for that to seem normal. And it looks like he's not going to be helpful for a while. He looks bad, he knows it, not much more to say. I'll be waiting for his analyses.
onlywonderboy: I'm not liking what he's posted. Only person he's casted suspicion on is me, which takes no effort. He also mentions that I'm not super scummy for some reason. Meanwhile, he just tells us to look for other lynch options from nyx and July, but he doesn't call them town personally go looking for any lynch options. Might be mafia deflecting from a teammate or two, but it seems a bit silly to make connections with teammates already. It also keeps town from doing stuff, if he tries to move the conversation around without telling who he thinks should be talked about. I think it's likely that he's trying to look good and openminded without committing to any reads, which is scummy. Contribute more please.
July: Very first post, he makes a point to call it his "town post". What. This looks like he only cares about looking town, not finding mafia. I don't think mafia would be dumb enough to say that. Then he states repeatedly that he won't make useless posts, but each one of those posts is useless. I don't even know what to think.
At this point I'm feeling a poofter lynch. July confuses me more than anything. He looks bad, but I don't see how his posts help mafia. I'm waiting on Storr's actual analyses, but with his lack of content I'd settle for lynching him. poofter being useless after being called out several times is what I think makes him look worse than owb, but if owb doesn't contribute more I'd be fine with lynching him too. On October 31 2013 16:08 cakemanofdoom wrote: Odin, anything in particular you want from me? I can try to address any burning questions you have, though I'd rather focus on scumhunting since it doesn't look like I need to defend myself from a lynch right now.
This is good reasoning Cake. I apologize for missing these post. You tell me why you are thinking what you are, and that makes me start to question my read on you. And then you ask me to explain myself again after the fact. The stances you took here and then afterwards were enough for me to decide I needed to rethink my stance.
Jonny Light/moderate scum. + Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 21:04 E00e wrote: If only my opinion mattered I would lynch Odin now. A lot of their posts seem so much over the top and look like how I imagine someone very nervous in a real conversation. Also I dont like some of their posts that just distract. This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline
Btw I cant help but read Odin's post where every new sentence is a new line like poem and it makes them sound funny in my head. And so it begins. The train on myself bears it's fangs. I don't like how you and Jonny immediate jump to the conclusion that I am just outright lying. More so after the conclusion on like pg 32-33 we come to. Why didn't you just wait until I had a chance to explain it in the first place? A simple misunderstanding on how I type up my post, and I get, after I've left, "Burn the witch!" I won't repeat any of the post you made throughout most of this because I'm sure everyone can remember anyway. The major points to them were: This guy is obiously lying and should be lynched right now. That sort of play doesn't look bad to me if you push it right after I post if you don't understand something.. But when you come in later and try to claim shenanigans when I've said I will be missing until perhaps the end of the day just seems like you're trying to pick apart my post and then ride in a mis-lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 01 2013 06:45 JonnyLaw wrote: As the deadline approaches I still don't see how july is the best lynch target. July's posting with confidence albeit it's not good.
If july flips town what have we learned? Absolutely nothing.
Even E00e is better because he condemned Odin so harshly. Storr is even better at this point. He's still failing to contribute anything useful.
Fuck it, if we need 7th vote I'm doing it but I see no gain of information from July's shitposting. I must of missed this, where is e00 railing me hard? he pretty much started this with a statement about me that you took and blew up while I was gone. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2013 07:00 JonnyLaw wrote: No, if E00e flips town I feel okay dropping odin as a read.
Are you kidding me Obzy? July's said whatever he wants all game not caring what anyone else has said about him. If that's not confidence it's stupidity if he's scum. I believe most players in this game are not stupid.
As July on my scum reads (as far as you know), what makes you drop your case vs me? When I got back and talked to you thats fine. But I don't follow you at all with this. What about one of my scum reads makes me look town to you? I pulled this quote but you also mention this same statement after July flipped. Expand on this please..
e00 Light scum Ok despite what took place while I was gone, I won't strait out call you bad for it. I don't like this though. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2013 04:43 E00e wrote: At this point I feel like I will get lynched because I got the initial votes nearing the dead line and people signing off with them. If you are going to vote for me because you just want to have somebody lynched Id like to remind you that a few people could be the target of this vote and the votes on me really started with the accusations on me that I disproved (at least no one said otherwise after I posted my statements about them). I believe other players could still get lynched and if you vote you should conscious of the fact that is just a "bad feeling".
You are avialable, why not try to convince us of your innocense? But instead of doing that you jump onto me with Jonny + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2013 04:53 E00e wrote: As I said I will be around for now and I already said who I would like to lynch the most so I dont feel like my vote is important right now, but here it is: ##vote: OdinOfPergo Which bring me back to my question I asked Jonny. Why would you lynch a townie for a smiple mis-understanding? Pretty much everyone aggrees my post where venty. I pull attention to this myself when I got back. But niether of you gave me a chance for it. You started a train and rolled with it. And then you fall off the radar for a good long time. Which makes me wonder if my scum read here is correct. I will need to re-read with fresh eyes tomorrow but if you could tell me about your thoughts here I'd have an easier time one way or the other.
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Ok, it is really late. I'm off to sleep and then work. I will be back in 11-12 hours.
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Oh to say it before hand, I cut out quotes and tried to format that post to be clearer. If something doesn't make sense or if I need to expand on any of my points bring them up to me. I know this was a problem before and I don't want pointless confusion because I can't format a freaking post. I will be around tomorrow to discuss anything.
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Ye I don't even know what to think about this yet.
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Alas, I really kind of want to sit here now and try to piece this together right now.. But I already made plans to go out for holloween tonight. So I will do it when I get home (Or tomorrow afternoon depending on how drunk I end up by the time I make it back.)
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Initial thought before I go though, Is it possible this was a knee-jerk kill for his previous argument?
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Ok guys, I need to read up since I left last night again. I brushed up on this post when I got home today but I proceeded to ignore this game entirely since I was almost modkilled in my other game for spending all my time on this on. So I ignored you guys hehe, love ya obv.
@Balla; I think you could stand to reword youself, but from what I recall reading before I thought it was strait fward enough minus your over-reaction to Storr prodding. But I don't agree with Storr. What benefit would you get to fake-claim a RB? I don't see any kind of motive you could have for doing this. You're not giving me vibes of being blue, so maby if you tried to claim one because of that I would of been skeptical of you. I'll go more into depth on my reasoning a little later tonight.
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ebwop all my time on this one.*
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What I meant by that Storr, short of you being able to convince me of believing that Balla is a SK why would town RB him?
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Oh and I remember you asking me about my voting, so while I'm working on an analysis I will answer you since you are here right now.
I came back to the thread just before the deadline. I wasn't sold entirely on Cake anymore so I didn't believe my vote on him would reflect what my thoughts where. I had bad vibes from Jonny so I moved onto him. Balla said this was stupid since July was obv. going through at this point. I agreed with this and changed over to July.
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Which is why it jumped around. I knew unless I was going to lynch myself over July I could put my vote on whoever I wanted to pressure. But I can't actually generate pressure this close to the deadline, which you pointed out. I agreed with your point and moved it again.
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I actually think it's a fair question, I honestly already included a sort of raesoning pretty close to it regarding you night night view post Balla. I'll just quote that for now though since I'm not done with it yet.
Regarding the views on the night kill from your post on pg 40. I mainly agree with this. It does seem a little confusing as to why they would chose to kill Vane over you. I was honestly expecting Obzy,myself, or you to die. I could see myself or Obzy getting past this night because Obzy is confirmed. If he wasn't on the right track though why kill him right now? I'm intermitten in my availability to such a degree that maby I just got lucky to not get a bullet tonight. But I can't think of any reason why to chose Vane over you.
I think Storr doesn't look fantastic though. So he could be just playing bad town but it's things like this I'm rolling around in my head and will include them when I get my reads and analysis up later tonight.
OWB has been missing for a long time, but considering my own personal availability issues, I'm not really in a position to say that.
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Ok damnit, this is why I type out my stuff in word first. All those grammar errors. I could never be a receptionist.
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