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On October 29 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
No, your questions are all either dumb or readily answered by reading the thread.
Tbh OOHCHILD isn't a terrible lynch and my vote would probably have gravitated there if I didn't find everything Clarity has done so terrible. I just get annoyed that people won't do what I want and then I argue in a really binary fashion. Meh.
I don't really appreciate that because the only question of those I asked that I think could be answered by reading the thread is 'who else is resisting.' I don't feel any of the others are dumb. Even were the answers obvious or stupid, there is still a point to me asking these questions to you, and that is so not only can I get information that I do not feel I currently have, but I can gain a better insight into your thoughts when you wrote what you did. Is that something you feel you shouldn't be providing?
In other news, I had a great idea.
##Boost Seuss
Couldn't think of doing this to a better person atm.
You seem down, Seuss. Let me cheer you up!
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Goodness me, both Pandain and Clarity are looking worse. Game is easy.
I dont know if we should lynch OOHCHILD, he might be some kinda survivor thing or something. I doubt he is town though.
He has like triple the amount of posts pregame and now.
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On October 29 2013 08:20 HotCottonCandy wrote:
@sentinel yes I'm a smurf but lets be honest here I am not using meta against anyone so it's not like I have a leg up. I'm simply pressuring you for your actions so far. Could you give me some scumreads or something that bothers you or anything?
I don't really have a problem with cleaning out the rifraff either and I'll gladly vote for OOHCHILD. it's essentially a random lynch with a bias towards someone being intentionally useless and I have no qualms about that.
sadface to koshi's list, pretty contentless bar a few people like WaveofShadow and Seuss. Decent enough I guess.
@Pandain I have a hard time believing you could make cases and write in detail yesterday while on meds. Seems like a strange excuse but whatever. Not here to judge on that kind of stuff but if it comes down to the wire it certainly wont help you.
I'll post some reads in the morning.
My vote on OOHCHILD isn't just because he's a lurker, but because he was actually really active until the day started. I wouldn't have a hard time believing he's a new mafia who doesn't know what to do.
If he were a blue I'd feel he'd be more floaty-in-the-background, like Chairman Ray in Noir.
On October 29 2013 08:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't understand the suspicion on Koshi, to me it looks like a carbon copy of his play as town in Noir. Maybe a shade more reserved, but still relatively casual, low-content posts. All that's left is him blindly tunneling someone. It's interesting that you should bring this up - I gave koshi a contentious (contentious to me, because I felt like I was going out on a limb) townread, because I couldn't believe that Koshi would be *so* passive as mafia. And I was right. The problem is that this game feels somewhere in between, where he's not *as* passive as he was in Noir, rather just wishy washy and non-committal while perhaps trying not to look like that. It all comes down to degrees and interpretation, and my interpretation was that it wasn't the same and that it's somewhat suspicious.
IIRC he was shot in Thug Life for being too not-passive and he flipped cop. Maybe he's trying to compromise somehow? Not a fully evidenced townread, but nothing out of the ordinary in my eyes.
On October 29 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:Oh I forgot. Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 06:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son.
Unless I missed it, you told us the power would go off when the countdown reached zero, which it has. So what gives? What's the state of play? If you're not sure, ask the hosts. I want to know.
The hosts have told me that everything is going as planned and that my power has been accounted for. I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son.
Sleepytime
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marvellosity my power went through.
I have a big problem with this post, even bigger than the Clarity's case on Oats:
On October 29 2013 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 01:51 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 01:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel really good about killing Clarity.
This is the one game where town shouldnt be making cases on me.
I was kinda fishing for something like this, good man :p I have this little theory in my head, that Clarity made a case on you because we had this conversation in Heavyweight about how only townies attack Oats, and mafia never do. Don't even remember this. I actually have to go somewhere urgently now so I'll produce some stuff tomorrow >.< There's a reason my oats stuff didn't come with a vote, when it usually does. I did believe in it though, still kinda do, but will reread and see if I change my mind later.But your vote is kinda bad marv, TT
This basically possibly nullifies everything Clarity has said in this game besides having a town read on Prome (for why - idk). Both ends are bad, either he sticks with his bad case on Oats, or he doesn't which means he has done jack.
On the other hand i am willing to give Pandain more time. I am not sure if he is scum and he'll be easier to get a decent read on later when he starts taking hard stances.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Clarity_nl
On October 29 2013 09:14 Pandain wrote:
I now have an inherent desire to vote Hotcottoncandy
Is this a policy or is there more?
I dislike Sentinel more. It has to do with his power and his attitude how he talks about it. When he asked people to power him up his attitude was cheery and screamed an attitude of "hey guys, let's do this". When we actually did that, and counted down to ##1, he went to "I wonder if the hosts got my message. Don't want to give away my power if the countdown duds because something was wrong with the sequencing. Knowing the hosts, someone should be up and attending this game, but they might be asleep". There is a sudden change in his attitude and it's not what i expected from him. What i expected him to do was something along the lines "thanks guys, now we do good stuff". When marv asked Sentinel about it later he answered "The hosts have told me that everything is going as planned and that my power has been accounted for. I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son." This is plain out secretive. All in all i do not like how his attitude regarding his power and people asking about it changes completely during this whole thing.
I do not know what SnB is doing atm but i don't like it.
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On October 29 2013 05:10 Pandain wrote:Marv is striking me as very town, which is very exciting for me. Usually I would think it would be hard to read Marv since he's such a good player, but even if he's scum he's still making really good points which, as long as we continue to judge them, will work in town favor. + Show Spoiler + He has also already posted 6 pages worth of shit, and they're all good. Indicative of town He really thought hard about Prom and I love what he said about Prom being way too cocky, I actually had a null read on him but now I think I have a moderate town read on him, probably not as "sure" in it as Marv. + Show Spoiler + he also wasn't a dick to me Originally I disagreed with Seuss being scummy but now I agree, with some addendums. Here is Marv's post: Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:On October 28 2013 12:47 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 11:50 Promethelax wrote:
So I get that this is a theme game but everyone is just trying to get their powers charged up. Allow me to say: STOP!
unless you have a town read on someone don't power them up. For serious. Why should we help scum this early in the game? Yer all dumb.
Lets treat this like a normal game for a little while, get some scum reads and do this right. Random powering up of other people is, in my opinion, policy lynchable, discuss. This was honestly bothering me as well. People have been throwing hashtags left and right without a thought or care as to the consequences, and up until this post the only person who thought twice about it was Pandain (and even then only in the case of raynpelikoneet). It's not that Koshi, [UoN]Sentinel, marvellosity, or Oatsmaster are particularly suspicious at the moment, but it's pretty silly to just blindly power them up. It's also mildly irresponsible of them to immediately reveal that they have potentially useful powers, though at this point I expect everyone has something and it's likely not all powers are created equal. Based on the hashtags, it's pretty obvious that the powers are connected to their given celebrities. Someone a little more clever than I am and more experienced in mafia could probably make reasonably accurate guesses as to what their powers doMy best guess is Refudiate (Sarah Palin) is going to be some form of role block. The bolded sentence looks like fairly baseless and unwarranted criticism. Given I, and presumably others, actually literally require people to type specific things in the thread to use our powers, how else should we have gone about it, in your opinion? I can't keep the entirety of my role a secret, because then I don't have a role. To the underlined, we've already had one vanilla town claim; are you calling that player a liar? Are you disagreeing with at least one other player (that I forget) who suggested it's unlikely we all have powers? To the red, interesting that your mindset is to try to workout what powers these blues/powers have. Why would you even speculate on that right now if you're town? Much more of a mafia mindset. I don't like your whole post basically. However I disagree with this slight suspicion of Seuss. Now if Seuss had written out his post during the course of 5 hours and thought very clearly and wanted to be 100% consistant, it would be suspicious (though still not scummy). His bolded statement mirrored my thoughts and is a defendable statement even if it isn't 100% justifiable since yes some people need others for their powers. The underlined is clearly just poor reading and doesn't indicate scum. The red statement is interesting however and important to think about. There are better reasons to be suspicious of Seuss Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:29 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 22:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai marv.
I can talk about Prome for just a little bit atm if you'd like, but I'm nor sure how long I'll be around so we won't be able to pick each other's brains as per usual. What exactly were you saving up regarding your townread of him to tell me?
Oh and regarding Seuss (monte it's so weird to call you that) he seems pretty town to me. Like he said I coached him and his behaviour falls pretty in line with his last newbie, as well as what you determined to be him rolefishing. I give him the WaveofShadow newbie stamp of approval for now, though I would really like to hear some reads from him, as I know he is pretty capable of good analysis with way less to work with than has been posted in this thread. Yay stamp of approval. Now that I'm not distracted by marv here are my current thoughts. Promethelax: Probably town. When I, an unknown entity, entered the thread his first response was to solicit my opinion in a neutral way, and keep drawing more information from me regarding my mindset. This was good, pro-town play, as it lets him and everyone else get the chance to form a read on me. In general I'd call him inquisitive, he likes poking where there's gaps in information. He's been a bit more confrontational with some of the other posters, but confrontational isn't inherently anti-town. Without him we'd probably know a lot less right now. I can get why people would find his "I can't meta Pandain" and apparent lack of scum reads concerning, but on the whole I think he's clearly town. strongandbig: No idea, but unless he starts posting a crapton before the voting deadline I think we're better off pursuing someone else. We stand to learn absolutely nothing by lynching him, though applying pressure might help loosen his tongue.Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like. You guys move faster than I can analyze and parse. Waugh. Very poor post, list format instead of comprehensive. Also what is the middle paragraph which is a basic "I don't know." Also his other posts are really wishy-washy and constantly changing. I do think he's worth looking out for though shouldn't be a lynch target today. I do agree Clarity is suspicious, made a poor post which only focused on one person. It is so incredibly assumption based and wouldn't be what I expect Clarity to be suspicious of. He says Oats is suspicious because he didn't add to what someone else said. Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain. I don't know why but this post bothers me Then Marv calls him out and he immediately back tracks I also think Koshi is suspicious. Where is carefree Koshi? He's so defensive. He also isn't attempting to buddy Rayn which I have seen in all my past games which I'm pretty sure they've both been in them all.
I have so much bleh with this post. He is excited that marv is obviously townie? Except marv is obviously townie in every town game he plays. yeah...
Calls out Seuss, but just says its a bad post and not why, also his view is ALSO wishy washy towards seuss, "Look hard but dont lynch". And the Koshi nonsense. Town koshi buddies rayn? So does scum koshi if he did it in all the recent games. Its just such a bad point. Why are you doing this pandain...
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Sentinel is suspicious I agree and his alignment will hopefully be decided later on. I don't think why we should be suspicious of him is about how he reacted after having his powers activate, obviously they did and he was more than happy to have people activate them asap day one, so his reaction afterwards wouldn't really matter.
It's more his play afterwards
On October 29 2013 11:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 08:20 HotCottonCandy wrote:
@sentinel yes I'm a smurf but lets be honest here I am not using meta against anyone so it's not like I have a leg up. I'm simply pressuring you for your actions so far. Could you give me some scumreads or something that bothers you or anything?
I don't really have a problem with cleaning out the rifraff either and I'll gladly vote for OOHCHILD. it's essentially a random lynch with a bias towards someone being intentionally useless and I have no qualms about that.
sadface to koshi's list, pretty contentless bar a few people like WaveofShadow and Seuss. Decent enough I guess.
@Pandain I have a hard time believing you could make cases and write in detail yesterday while on meds. Seems like a strange excuse but whatever. Not here to judge on that kind of stuff but if it comes down to the wire it certainly wont help you. I'll post some reads in the morning. My vote on OOHCHILD isn't just because he's a lurker, but because he was actually really active until the day started. I wouldn't have a hard time believing he's a new mafia who doesn't know what to do. If he were a blue I'd feel he'd be more floaty-in-the-background, like Chairman Ray in Noir. Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 08:53 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't understand the suspicion on Koshi, to me it looks like a carbon copy of his play as town in Noir. Maybe a shade more reserved, but still relatively casual, low-content posts. All that's left is him blindly tunneling someone. It's interesting that you should bring this up - I gave koshi a contentious (contentious to me, because I felt like I was going out on a limb) townread, because I couldn't believe that Koshi would be *so* passive as mafia. And I was right. The problem is that this game feels somewhere in between, where he's not *as* passive as he was in Noir, rather just wishy washy and non-committal while perhaps trying not to look like that. It all comes down to degrees and interpretation, and my interpretation was that it wasn't the same and that it's somewhat suspicious. IIRC he was shot in Thug Life for being too not-passive and he flipped cop. Maybe he's trying to compromise somehow? Not a fully evidenced townread, but nothing out of the ordinary in my eyes. Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:Oh I forgot. On October 29 2013 06:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son.
Unless I missed it, you told us the power would go off when the countdown reached zero, which it has. So what gives? What's the state of play? If you're not sure, ask the hosts. I want to know. The hosts have told me that everything is going as planned and that my power has been accounted for. I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son. Sleepytime
Almost every point in here is really really weak, and his previous posts were all like one liners after he was able to reach countdown zero.
We'll see what he does later on though to get a better grasp.
It was a bad idea of course to activate his power but what can you do.
If Clarity turns out to be scum I'll twerk for Marv, but I'm holding out until then.
And it's only policy that would make me want to lynch Vayne.
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If Clarity turns out to be scum I'll twerk for Marv, but I'm holding out until then.
Why's this considering you called him "striking me as very townie" earlier?
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I think he's very town but I'm not going to activate a potential scum power for him unless I'm very certain.
Very townie =/= Town
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What are your current thoughts on WoS?
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No strong thoughts.
Only town reads I have are Prom, Marv, Oats, you.
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My problem with WoS is that i have no idea who he thinks is scum. After his Prome case he is kinda.. asking people if someone is scum. That's doesn't seem WoS-like, because he is a strong player.
I also do think Koshi is town.
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Why would marv lynching clarity make the read any stronger Pandain?
All it does is make marv 'very townie' and not Town.
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Ok, my previous message was untrue. He didn't make a case on blubbdavid in Golden Sun it seems. Silly me.
But going with HotCottonCandy is town. He gave strong townreads in marv/prom/Oats. Null on me/rayn and only once suggested that one of us might be scum, and was interested in my reads on WoS/Seuss which he himself didn't bother looking into yet. He is also not trying to stear the thread into chaos or disunity.
Also this puts Sentinel on the scummy side of things.
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On October 29 2013 13:30 Pandain wrote:
I think he's very town but I'm not going to activate a potential scum power for him unless I'm very certain.
Very townie =/= Town
You are extremely, extremely suspicious for refusing to ##twerk me today. I basically couldn't be looking more town to you:
On October 29 2013 05:10 Pandain wrote:
Marv is striking me as very town, which is very exciting for me. Usually I would think it would be hard to read Marv since he's such a good player, but even if he's scum he's still making really good points which, as long as we continue to judge them, will work in town favor.
He has also already posted 6 pages worth of shit, and they're all good. Indicative of town
He really thought hard about Prom and I love what he said about Prom being way too cocky, I actually had a null read on him but now I think I have a moderate town read on him, probably not as "sure" in it as Marv.
he also wasn't a dick to me
Further, you say I'm "such a good player"
Further further, you've been in two of my most recent towngames, where I lynched on Day 1 a vigilante (Hogwarts) and a cop (Noir). So you know *full well* that the flip on Day 1 does not decide my alignment. So why are you pretending it does? Why are you potentially witholding powers from a really strong player who's looking really town?
Terrible, and suspicious.
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You want us to twerk?
Because I want updates.
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Lol yeah Marv is parroting me but a bit more eloquently.
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Ahh, I now see that Pandain is not going to boost anybody... wow. So silly.
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I am going to find everybody who doesn't put his ass near marvs crotch when he asks it suspicious and a bad player. Obviously he is not going to insta win the game as scum when he gets powered up. Like I said before on Oats, I could see 3p wincon be "get everybody to twerk you in a phase" but even if 3p it is not going to break the game. No reason not to do it.
Marv, is your ability a night action or a cool ingame action?
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On October 29 2013 18:16 Koshi wrote:
Ahh, I now see that Pandain is not going to boost anybody... wow. So silly.
Hmm, did he say that and I missed it? It makes it a little less suspicious.
My powers are not in-thread.
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Koshi, do you think rayn is pushing stuff as much as usual? He doesn't seem very gung-ho to me, and that worries me a bit. But you don't seem to be worried about him at all.
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