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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Also, in case you missed it, ##Update Koshi if you are a cool kid. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote: So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain. Your case to me seems based on basically nothing. Oats clearly posted his thing directly after my post not as a reply to it, and as far as correcting what he viewed as inconsistencies, that could theoretically be seen as towny since poking holes in a case on your scumread will either dismantle it or make it stronger---becoming something you can use. I don't personally believe it is alignment indicative but whatever. I didn't get a scumvibe from Oats for not specifically taking the points I used and running with them because he was working on his own stuff and looked like he was actually trying to figure out what was useful or not from my case. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote: I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker. Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create. It takes remarkable confidence imo to propose creating a town circle with you at the head of it. I'm relating this back to me, but as mafia even I struggle to propose/say these sorts of things. On October 28 2013 14:00 Promethelax wrote: Oh, point I wanted to make about koshi saying oats was 3p for being able to be levelled up by non town: Koshi is scum. I'll leave this to another power upper to explain as it should show them I am town and show me they are town. Again with the ridiculous self-confidence. As if whatever his read is definitely makes him town, which it almost certainly doesn't. Townies rather than mafia tend to think "this SO makes me town" even when it doesn't. Toad is a prime example of this (say LIX, where his mason claim "confirmed" him town when it did no such thing). It's a double whammy because he also thinks that someone else with a power explaining it to him will make him town. All of this seems hard to fake as mafia. On October 28 2013 14:30 Promethelax wrote: I could but its too early to be clear with each other. Lets play a game: This post is the one I find most alignment indicative Tell me why and which alignment I think he is I think this post is pretty bad, and his subsequent reasoning for it isn't fantastic either (it's a little superficial in my opinion). But again, I see it as town bad. See again how it's like he's framing it that OTHER townies can show their alignment to HIM by working out what he's talking about. Again, hard to fake as mafia. These are the prime examples, but generally his filter reads as him being way too arrogant, assuming the townleader position, seeing things and quizzing others to see if they see the same as him ----> they are town. I think that's all quite impressive if he's mafia. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On October 28 2013 22:06 Oatsmaster wrote: oh i posted the oohchild could be BH thing. Yeah still dunno why you are worried. Also this is odd. Why would you think this? I think marv is town, so if marv says you are scum, then I give you powers? That doesnt make sense to me. Please explain. Kind of totally just a jab at you. You asked what he read me as clearly implying you'd power me up if he said town; he said town you didn't power me and I made fun of you for it. ha. Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. Does Clarity still do the be dumb but super obvious townie thing he used to do? Also his follow up is pretty terribad, he clearly hasn't read the whole thread since Oats did 180 his read on me and clarity is pushing him to prove his old read and expound on why I'm scum. Clarity gets added to my above possible scum list. Also meta town read on marv for, well, all the things you are calling him out on Rayn. Day one marv tries to take control and gain something as mafia. Day one town marv does his own thing and chills, makes reads and finds buddies. Marv is playing to his town meta whether you can see that or not. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 28 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote: Clarityyou know what Oats meta is? Or at least what everybody says his meta is? Also, in case you missed it, ##Update Koshi if you are a cool kid. It's not even the 180 that's the issue, Koshi. He literally made a post saying prome was weird/odd/bad/scum whatever as WoS made a case on Prome but he had nothing to add. Like, how his his reply not "yeah I noticed that too" or "no I noticed this other thing" I've played with Oats before and this does not look like the same Oats. I did not miss it but don't really see why I would at this point. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on. Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 28 2013 22:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Your case to me seems based on basically nothing. Oats clearly posted his thing directly after my post not as a reply to it, and as far as correcting what he viewed as inconsistencies, that could theoretically be seen as towny since poking holes in a case on your scumread will either dismantle it or make it stronger---becoming something you can use. I don't personally believe it is alignment indicative but whatever. I didn't get a scumvibe from Oats for not specifically taking the points I used and running with them because he was working on his own stuff and looked like he was actually trying to figure out what was useful or not from my case. Again, I'm aware that he 180s later, that doesn't matter. What matters is at the point of that post he was clearly interested in Prome as possible scum. Correcting something is not alignment indicative, the fact that that was his only response is. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote: marv, that is kind of a subtle read. Not super subtle but like not a read I'd expect a newer player to have. As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on. Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point. I've never seen an Oats scum game I'll be honest. Yes, Oats is all over the place, but when he's talking about one thing he doesn't ignore stuff relevant to what he's talking about e.g. WoS's case on you. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote: marv, that is kind of a subtle read. Not super subtle but like not a read I'd expect a newer player to have. As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on. Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point. This is just an aside, but I've come to value Wave's opinion. Easy example is LXII where Wave got somewhat suspicious of me on Day 1 because I kept asking him specific things and for explanations for reads. So basically I want to see if he understands what i'm saying and if not, why not, and hopefully I can get something useful out of it. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
raynpelikoneet (1): Pandain Promethelax (1): WaveofShadow Pandain (3): raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, OOHCHILD Not voting (8): Promethelax, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, strongandbig, marvellosity, Seuss, Clarity_nl, HotCottonCandy Current, Pandain is set to be ##lynched! The ##lynch will happen in ## at ##21:00 GMT (+00:00). Please let us know if there are ##errors. Voting Thread | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote: marv, that is kind of a subtle read. Not super subtle but like not a read I'd expect a newer player to have. As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on. Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point. So despite me harping on you for your meta read of me, you just realized this? Marv I actually had a townread on someone else this game for something very similar but that was very late last night and I can't remember who it was exactly. Not the arrogance but the quizzing and confidence that people 'see him as town and here's why.' I'll try to look back and figure out where it was I came up with that. Essentially your read to me makes sense, and I'm glad it is for reasons that didn't occur to me/are not related to my case since that gives me more to think about. I'm always a little bit wary of giving experienced players townreads based on mafia not being so upfront and arrogant though because there are definitely people very capable of that kind of play (ie Pandain). I guess in Prome's case it's mroe the mindset behind that type of play and his posting? I'll have a closer look. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
But anyway, let's go with your thing. Does that make me scum to you? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:04 Clarity_nl wrote: I've never seen an Oats scum game I'll be honest. Yes, Oats is all over the place, but when he's talking about one thing he doesn't ignore stuff relevant to what he's talking about e.g. WoS's case on you. Tell me Clarity, does this fit with him ignoring my case? Because to me it looks like he's interested in how Prome reacts to it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote: So despite me harping on you for your meta read of me, you just realized this? Marv I actually had a townread on someone else this game for something very similar but that was very late last night and I can't remember who it was exactly. Not the arrogance but the quizzing and confidence that people 'see him as town and here's why.' I'll try to look back and figure out where it was I came up with that. Essentially your read to me makes sense, and I'm glad it is for reasons that didn't occur to me/are not related to my case since that gives me more to think about. I'm always a little bit wary of giving experienced players townreads based on mafia not being so upfront and arrogant though because there are definitely people very capable of that kind of play (ie Pandain). I guess in Prome's case it's mroe the mindset behind that type of play and his posting? I'll have a closer look. I think it's kinda easy to make a case against Prome, and Prome will verify that I often find his opening post or two really really scummy (I PM him about it in shock, or comment on it if I'm in a game). I just think the attitude/mindset trumps it. Btw, I understand what you're doing with your analogy with Pandain, but it's different. Pandain basically calls himself obviously town, but doesn't really display the supporting stuff like Prome has, in my opinion. One interesting thing to note is that I formed my opinion on Prome in a ten-page catch up on the thread this morning, so I got to take the "wider" view, as it were. On Seuss, I'll take your read under advisement. I still hate how he went about his criticisms, but his subsequent responses at least feel earnest. I'll judge him on the rest of his play. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Did his initial response to your case not strike you as odd? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm talking about his initial response to it. Obviously (in the hypothetical that oats is scum) he figures out "oh yeah I expressed interest in Prome" Did his initial response to your case not strike you as odd? Not in the slightest. On October 28 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote: I think it's kinda easy to make a case against Prome, and Prome will verify that I often find his opening post or two really really scummy (I PM him about it in shock, or comment on it if I'm in a game). I just think the attitude/mindset trumps it. Btw, I understand what you're doing with your analogy with Pandain, but it's different. Pandain basically calls himself obviously town, but doesn't really display the supporting stuff like Prome has, in my opinion. One interesting thing to note is that I formed my opinion on Prome in a ten-page catch up on the thread this morning, so I got to take the "wider" view, as it were. On Seuss, I'll take your read under advisement. I still hate how he went about his criticisms, but his subsequent responses at least feel earnest. I'll judge him on the rest of his play. Alright on the subject of Pandain---what do you make of the strong push against him and his reaction to it? His play this game seems markedly different from what I've seen, not that I would give him a read solely based on this since I'm pretty sure Pandain is always hyper-aware of what he looks like. On October 28 2013 08:34 WaveofShadow wrote: That's not what Pandain said was scummy. He said Rayn's instant use of his power was scummy. Why is that, exactly? There is not very much to go on at all and he says things like Rayn calling out weird logic without immediately pursuing him is scummy in the first hour of the game. Overall his posting reeks of someone trying too hard right now. I've done this before as mafia, for the record---it's really easy to fabricate some easy shit, and then make an excuse for yourself to fuck off for a while by complaining that there's 'nothing else to talk about,' or 'no one to talk to,' in the hopes that people will assume his early and active contributions are town-aligned and forget about him. My post on his early play is above (I guess in retrospect I've done a fair bit of omgus-ing this game) and he displays nowhere near the level of self-confidence and analysis I have seen him put into reads. I haven't pursued him as a target since I latched onto Prome and now I'd like to come full circle since it seems he was heavily pressured without my input on the subject. Your thoughts? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm talking about his initial response to it. Obviously (in the hypothetical that oats is scum) he figures out "oh yeah I expressed interest in Prome" Did his initial response to your case not strike you as odd? That WoS was blatantly wrong with one of his points? | ||
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