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On October 28 2013 22:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 22:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont actually think he will play scum the same way as he did previously, that was a long time ago, but this game fits a lot into town marv. He doesnt wanna talk about people he doesnt want to talk about.
i dunno, its hard to express for me. But it doesnt feel like marv is trying to trick us into powering him up. I just read scum!marv and town!marv D1's and this apathy of his does not fit into each one of them. Then i read Catch 22 and it doesn't fit into there. I have no fucking idea what to think. 4th party? Since when has marv not commented on the leading lynch candidate in no way as any alignment? marv what do you you want to talk about? Or are you just going to watch what happens and then what? And why? Hmm. Marv in Noir was not really pushing anything hard D1, it felt like he was gathering reads. D2 he fixed that and concentrated more on specific people but still didn't rally town to vote for Cephiro and then N2 he guaranteed Cephiro scumread. LastArgument was an awesome guy but also didn't rally town to vote D1 in Hogwarts. He didn't comment too much on Cephiro except say that his big post was enough to not vote him D1 and then later asked Cephiro some questions. His vote on Palmar was simply explained by "sheep syllo". Marv plays to town meta. But I guess he can emulate that as scum because he is marv.
I'd say this was a reasonable and balanced outlook on my play + surrounding meta so far.
But as a point of my own ego, I repeatedly pushed town to lynch Cephiro on Day 2 :/ But that's totally irrelevant :D
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MILEY CYRUS.
So marv, why havent you ##Refudiate Oatsmaster yet?
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Does it matter if I refudiate you now or just before Day ends?
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I dont know if you noticed, but thats what marv does d1 Rayn.
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On October 28 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
Does it matter if I refudiate you now or just before Day ends?
Nope.
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Hi guys, I'm caught up. No tweeting for me.
So far I dislike Oats and like Prome.
On October 28 2013 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I think marv is town for mainly that post and the fact that he didnt come out guns blazing.
Baseless townread on marv is baseless.
On October 28 2013 19:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv, who other than seuss are you looking at as scum?
On October 28 2013 20:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv what are you seeing about prome? Town or scum? Because that kinda affects whether I fix my thing now or NEVER.
A bit too early to start sheeping someone. Maybe if he replied to marv's answers but he does not.
Other than that Oats has pointed out a lot of things but not concluded anything about the things he points out.
But mainly it's his reaction to WoS's post:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Just popped in to say ##Paranoia I don't like your play this game either Prom.
Your first post yelling at everybody not to be powering everybody up....I completely agree with.
I just wouldn't have expected it to come from you.
You take it a step further though---you say not only is powering other people up dumb, but you say it's policy lynchable.
Have you pursued this course of action in your questioning of all of the people who have done so thus far?
And THEN, not 4 posts later, you explain to everybody how to power you up.
This reminds me of the very first ever game I played with you Prom, LX, in which you created some horseshit RNG talk early 'just to get discussion started' and you were promptly lynched for it---and flipped red.
So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then.
Your activity is pretty fantastic and all, and I get that you think Pandain tryharding is also pretty fantastic, but that don't mean shit imo. It's funny though, you say you'd rather base your read of Pandain off of what you get from him this game only and ignore his past meta, but you're ok to base your weak early read of me on meta even though you haven't played a game with me in ages?
You are incredibly inconsistent just from your first few posts and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit sir.
Care to discuss?
##Vote: Promethelax
Oats replies (intentionally or not, it's a minute later):
On October 28 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
super #mindblown by Prome's play today if hes town.
Which is either reactive to WoS's case on Prome, or not, doesn't matter.
Thing is, Oats just expressed a definite interest in Prome being possible scum.
WoS made a case on the person that Oats just drew attention to, so what does oats have to say about that?
On October 28 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol WoS, prome explained what we needed to do to power him because I asked.
Nothing apparently.... He just wanted to correct a detail in WoS's post.
If Oats was genuinely concerned about prome being mafia, why does he not take this opportunity to talk about it? All he did was say "if town, then bad" which does nothing, pressures nothing. It's posting for the sake of posting.
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Correct on Miley btw.
Then I don't know why I'd refudiate you now rather than later, when I should have a firmer idea of your alignment. Sound reasonable?
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On October 28 2013 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Hi guys, I'm caught up. No tweeting for me. So far I dislike Oats and like Prome. Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I think marv is town for mainly that post and the fact that he didnt come out guns blazing. Baseless townread on marv is baseless. Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 19:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv, who other than seuss are you looking at as scum? Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 20:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv what are you seeing about prome? Town or scum? Because that kinda affects whether I fix my thing now or NEVER. A bit too early to start sheeping someone. Maybe if he replied to marv's answers but he does not. Other than that Oats has pointed out a lot of things but not concluded anything about the things he points out. But mainly it's his reaction to WoS's post: + Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Just popped in to say ##Paranoia I don't like your play this game either Prom.
Your first post yelling at everybody not to be powering everybody up....I completely agree with.
I just wouldn't have expected it to come from you.
You take it a step further though---you say not only is powering other people up dumb, but you say it's policy lynchable.
Have you pursued this course of action in your questioning of all of the people who have done so thus far?
And THEN, not 4 posts later, you explain to everybody how to power you up.
This reminds me of the very first ever game I played with you Prom, LX, in which you created some horseshit RNG talk early 'just to get discussion started' and you were promptly lynched for it---and flipped red.
So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then.
Your activity is pretty fantastic and all, and I get that you think Pandain tryharding is also pretty fantastic, but that don't mean shit imo. It's funny though, you say you'd rather base your read of Pandain off of what you get from him this game only and ignore his past meta, but you're ok to base your weak early read of me on meta even though you haven't played a game with me in ages?
You are incredibly inconsistent just from your first few posts and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit sir.
Care to discuss?
##Vote: Promethelax
Oats replies (intentionally or not, it's a minute later): Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
super #mindblown by Prome's play today if hes town.
Which is either reactive to WoS's case on Prome, or not, doesn't matter. Thing is, Oats just expressed a definite interest in Prome being possible scum. WoS made a case on the person that Oats just drew attention to, so what does oats have to say about that? Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol WoS, prome explained what we needed to do to power him because I asked. Nothing apparently.... He just wanted to correct a detail in WoS's post. If Oats was genuinely concerned about prome being mafia, why does he not take this opportunity to talk about it? All he did was say "if town, then bad" which does nothing, pressures nothing. It's posting for the sake of posting.
Yuck.
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On October 28 2013 22:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:27 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote:On October 28 2013 13:04 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 12:55 Promethelax wrote:
Seuss, no more role fishing without purpose. What do you think about oats and why?
Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now.
Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads? Sorry, I was just really surprised at how much people were throwing on the table day 1. It's kinda like all the major town roles soft-claimed in a giant explosion of nonsense. Normally this would be a stupid thing to do, but then this game setup is pretty wonky.Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is. So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game. You see this followup doesn't make sense. If Seuss is surprised/disappointed at how people were coming out and claiming asap, why then exacerbate the situation by making multiple comments with relation to guessing what these roles and powers were? If you're concerened about people claiming early, why then guess at powers and even ask other people to guess at powers? Someone a little more clever than I am and more experienced in mafia could probably make reasonably accurate guesses as to what their powers do Boo. I'm an analyst. At the heart of my approach to mafia is finding all the puzzle pieces and putting them together. You can go back to the recent newbie mini mafia game and look through my coach QT with WaveOfShadow and see that it's exactly what I was doing there as well. When I'm given information I try to make sense of it and fit it into the puzzle. Perhaps it was a little egotistical of me, but the purpose of my post was largely admonishment. I wasn't asking others to guess at powers, but pointing out that revealing powers for no reason was stupid because people could guess at them. A bunch of people pulled out their powers immediately, several of whom (including you!) had to backtrack because apparently now wasn't the appropriate or best time for it. That, and the flurry of thoughtless power ups, is what got me in a tizzy. You've let the mafia know you have powers at a point in the game where you apparently don't even want to use them. I don't see how that's good town play. I wouldn't be so mad/confused if I knew you all had good reasons for bringing out your powers, and if I could be certain all of the powers coming into play are town powers. I have powers to use night 1 that I can only use with people's cooperation on Day 1. Your 'admonishment' is totally out of place when you do not know the circumstances with which people are talking about their roles. Given that it was made *extremely* obvious by how people posted in the thread that their roles required the cooperation of other people to work (my twerk, sentinel, prome, one or two others i forget probably), your entire angle is totally out of place. I can also tell you free of charge that you can't possibly hope to guess what my powers are based on what I've asked people to type or what people can probably guess my role name is. But no, don't consider this, just criticise... Like, your last sentence... What's the alternative? If both town and mafia need cooperation to use their powers, then they're going to try to achieve said cooperation. Bitching about it is ridiculous.
Sorry for bitching. You have to keep in mind that I don't know what you know. I don't know how your power works beyond requiring cooperation. So when you come into the thread asking people to twerk for you, and then randomly ask people to stop, it looks like you're second guessing yourself.
So if you're getting cooperation to use your power night 1 then that's reasonable. I thought you had the sudden epiphany that you didn't want to use your power today, which has a lot to do with why I was frustrated with you.
Since my opinion is apparently in the minority I'll drop the subject and move on to hunting scum, but I thought I'd explain my thought process to you rather than just letting your inquiries remain unresolved.
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Whatsup marv? You disagree?
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Hai marv.
I can talk about Prome for just a little bit atm if you'd like, but I'm nor sure how long I'll be around so we won't be able to pick each other's brains as per usual. What exactly were you saving up regarding your townread of him to tell me?
Oh and regarding Seuss (monte it's so weird to call you that) he seems pretty town to me. Like he said I coached him and his behaviour falls pretty in line with his last newbie, as well as what you determined to be him rolefishing. I give him the WaveofShadow newbie stamp of approval for now, though I would really like to hear some reads from him, as I know he is pretty capable of good analysis with way less to work with than has been posted in this thread.
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Depends how long you have Wave. Basically it would take me a little time to gather the shit that I think makes Prome probably town, and I'd want to know why you disagreed.
If you're going to be here for an hour, I'll go start digging, otherwise it can wait.
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On October 28 2013 22:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Hi guys, I'm caught up. No tweeting for me. So far I dislike Oats and like Prome. On October 28 2013 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I think marv is town for mainly that post and the fact that he didnt come out guns blazing. Baseless townread on marv is baseless. On October 28 2013 19:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv, who other than seuss are you looking at as scum? On October 28 2013 20:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv what are you seeing about prome? Town or scum? Because that kinda affects whether I fix my thing now or NEVER. A bit too early to start sheeping someone. Maybe if he replied to marv's answers but he does not. Other than that Oats has pointed out a lot of things but not concluded anything about the things he points out. But mainly it's his reaction to WoS's post: + Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Just popped in to say ##Paranoia I don't like your play this game either Prom.
Your first post yelling at everybody not to be powering everybody up....I completely agree with.
I just wouldn't have expected it to come from you.
You take it a step further though---you say not only is powering other people up dumb, but you say it's policy lynchable.
Have you pursued this course of action in your questioning of all of the people who have done so thus far?
And THEN, not 4 posts later, you explain to everybody how to power you up.
This reminds me of the very first ever game I played with you Prom, LX, in which you created some horseshit RNG talk early 'just to get discussion started' and you were promptly lynched for it---and flipped red.
So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then.
Your activity is pretty fantastic and all, and I get that you think Pandain tryharding is also pretty fantastic, but that don't mean shit imo. It's funny though, you say you'd rather base your read of Pandain off of what you get from him this game only and ignore his past meta, but you're ok to base your weak early read of me on meta even though you haven't played a game with me in ages?
You are incredibly inconsistent just from your first few posts and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit sir.
Care to discuss?
##Vote: Promethelax
Oats replies (intentionally or not, it's a minute later): On October 28 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
super #mindblown by Prome's play today if hes town.
Which is either reactive to WoS's case on Prome, or not, doesn't matter. Thing is, Oats just expressed a definite interest in Prome being possible scum. WoS made a case on the person that Oats just drew attention to, so what does oats have to say about that? On October 28 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol WoS, prome explained what we needed to do to power him because I asked. Nothing apparently.... He just wanted to correct a detail in WoS's post. If Oats was genuinely concerned about prome being mafia, why does he not take this opportunity to talk about it? All he did was say "if town, then bad" which does nothing, pressures nothing. It's posting for the sake of posting. Yuck.
LOL I thought the exact same thing.
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On October 28 2013 22:45 marvellosity wrote:
Depends how long you have Wave. Basically it would take me a little time to gather the shit that I think makes Prome probably town, and I'd want to know why you disagreed.
If you're going to be here for an hour, I'll go start digging, otherwise it can wait.
Yeah I'll be here on and off. It just may not be the usual back and forth. Go ahead.
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Seuss do you have townreads atm?
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On October 28 2013 22:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
Whatsup marv? You disagree?
Literally nothing you wrote is alignment indicative, it's *especially* not alignment indicative for Oats, and you should know that.
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So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain.
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That was really bad Clarity. Really bad.
Did you not see the 2 times I explained why I thought Prome was scum?
I mean, you just pointed out that I somehow have not expanded that I think Prome is scum, when in fact, I have talked about it in great detail. And you never even pointed out the scummy bit which was the 180.
Come on Clarity. You arent reading at all.
Nah ok then Marv. Just dont forget. Or be like Prome. Either works.
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On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain.
I dont get whats with this Clarity. Why are you so defensive?
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On October 28 2013 22:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain. I dont get whats with this Clarity. Why are you so defensive?
That's not me being defensive, that's me wanting to be heard.
On October 28 2013 22:47 marvellosity wrote:Literally nothing you wrote is alignment indicative, it's *especially* not alignment indicative for Oats, and you should know that.
Oats expressed that he thinks Prome might be mafia, and when WoS makes a case on Prome and Oats has NOTHING to say about it other than correcting a technicality
Alright Oats you're around. Do you just have a bad feeling about Prome? Do you think he's scum? What do you think of WoS's case other than that mistake?
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