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strongandbig
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strongandbig
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Oatsmaster
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Could Pandain be mafia on his play so far? Yes. Could he also be town? Yes. I obviously haven't missed what you're describing, I just don't put anything strong on it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On October 28 2013 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok koshi called me 3p for having a charge role thing. I dont know what it means, but generally town dont call people 3p day 1 because there is no way to know. Scum do know though. I think Prome is scummy for giving both a town read to rayn and Pandain but not doing anything about Pandains scum read on Rayn. However, currently I want to lynch Pandain because his vote on Rayn is total bullshit. He apparently votes for rayn for doing an action that SOUNDS bad. This is important. Pandain doesnt know what Rayn's action is. All he knows is that it sounds bad. Apparently thats enough justification for a vote on Rayn. And when its clear that Rayn is joking, Pandain doesnt retract the vote like a normal townie, no, he finds other stuff to call rayn scum. And that other stuff doesnt even make sense from a scum perspective. So the first point is that Rayn uses powers too fast and therefore he is scum? What a jump in logic, again, Pandain has no idea what Rayn's thing on marv did. Also, Pandain is experienced enough to know that GENERALLY scum dont do knee jerk and stupid stuff, thats what town do. ok 2nd point, yeah Sent is powering up marv not because he thinks marv is town. Thats bad reasoning and Rayn is right to call it out. But apparently to Pandain, Rayn's post is scummy for casting bad thoughts. But its accurate. Also Buddying marv. Really? Really pandain? Everyone including Prome should totally comment on this and do the action thing. ##Refudiate Oatsmaster | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Here is what I can say right now I've been pretty casual this whole game, down to making puns before game start. My absence is a combination of sleep and my phone freezing. I already breadcrumbed everything I know about my power, but I still want to figure out where the hosts are before making a decision. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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marvellosity
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok thats a really bad reason to call me scum Seuss. Still a lot of associations? Quote more than the one I said about Koshi/rayn/sent please. Marv and Prome get different treatment because of different meta's. That was just one example of unexplained logic, but sure. On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after. Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. That's the only other example. I felt there were more but that was due to my final point. I find your posting style hard to follow so a lot of what I felt were non-sequitur arguments were, on further review, consistent. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
 The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote: The key point on Pandain is whatever I say it is, s&b, and you're just describing bad/weird again. Could Pandain be mafia on his play so far? Yes. Could he also be town? Yes. I obviously haven't missed what you're describing, I just don't put anything strong on it. well, i guess i just dont agree. i dont see that as bad, i see it as scummy. the difference is "bad/weird" are things that are bad or dont make sense for town but dont for scum either. if something is bad or doesn't make sense for town but there's a clear link between it and a scum mindset or scum motivation then it's not bad/weird its scummy. obviously he could be mafia or town based on his play so far. but oat's case is the best one i saw when i was reading through the thread, and i think by reducing it to "bad/weird play" you're well understating it. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On October 28 2013 23:56 strongandbig wrote: ##Yolo promethelax my b how do you feel about your double town reads reading marv as town? Both Oats and I have a lot of out of game time with marv and are good at reading him based on meta. You might remember (or might not) MTG II where I correctly read marv/you as town while Acro pushed for his lynch and I managed to dissuade the thread from that 'lynch' based on my meta read. I see similar things here. What I'm saying is: 1) marv is good as town 2) both your town reads have a history of reading marv well 3)both your town reads read marv as town 4) why, therefore, do you not believe marv is town? If you believe Oats and I are town you believe in our motivation being townie. You know I am capable of reading marv even against thread sentiment (see above example or look at personality (don't look at personality)) so explain the part I'm missing. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. | ||
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marvellosity
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote: It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I wouldn't lynch him today. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 29 2013 00:33 Promethelax wrote: Does anyone else like that SnB didn't come in here apologizing? It feels townie to me that he got right down to brass tacks and didn't shit around being sorry for having to catch up. I wouldn't lynch him today. Nha, he had less than 2 pages in Thug Life mafia in which he was scum and bussed his teammates hardcore. Never said sorry for being less active. In a game that was insanely active. | ||
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Koshi
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