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On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote: Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote: Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it? | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:35 Mattchew wrote: a lot of soft accusations being thrown at Skanjab1s and dont we always have to lynch the self aware miller or is that some other weird role? We don't KNOW (winkwink) if he is or isn't, I think he gets benefit of the doubt to try and prove townieness. | ||
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Mocsta's tone is definitely protown, even if you don't like the logic. | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:02 Skanjab1s wrote: Please tell me how any read whatsoever could be divulged from the information that he shared? That's literally the point of the game. Skanj, take this as an opportunity to take a break for a bit. I think you're being overwhelmed right now and youre on tilt. You are not fostering productive discussions. | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:03 LastArgument wrote: Again, mafia will have this information already barring exceptional circumstances and town will not. I don't understand your point. My point is that mocsta is right, you don't donate information you don't need to. Closed setups and contests and whatnot. I gave a poor example, but it demonstrates a case where information can be used against us. | ||
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Town side of null. Small concern about refusal to comment, but I expect something soon from him. | ||
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skanj, re your (Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly. VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case. ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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On October 17 2013 22:50 LastArgument wrote: So to be clear, you're policy lynching Vayne? Yes. | ||
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On October 17 2013 22:56 LastArgument wrote: You repeatedly attacked Skanjab, saying he was scummy, with no indication that any of this suspicion has abated. Why are you policy lynching Vayne when you find another player suspicious? Because I'm more concerned about the toxic nature of town's on TL in general than my initial gutread on D1 of a closed theme game. I also was the one who asked skanj to take a break because he looked like he was digging himself into a scummier hole to me, and it felt too easy. Since coming back he's got a case on yamato, albeit one that I think is wrong. He still gets points for trying. @Skannj the hosts came in and gave a votecount, which included Yam's vote on VA. There has been no evidence that VA has done anything more than be a dick to Yamato and it has been completely unprovoked (as far as what I see in this thread). I count that as trolling, and I don't want it in my town. To your "testing the waters" comment, here is yamato's recent filter from noir. Read the first 2-3 pages of that and let me know how you feel please. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:10 LastArgument wrote: Just to be completely clear, Hopeless - you don't have any specific scumreads at the moment? Nothing that I'd be confident in any case I tried to make, no. skanj is still my strongest read, but thats a relative term. I'd rather lynch VA with his jokes to see yamato squirm at this point. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:21 LastArgument wrote: Here's my issue with this. And there are two. Firstly, you've said this as town before: You've also said this as town: Your attitude doesn't seem to tally with how you view the game when you play town. ##Vote: Hopeless1der quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:31 Skanjab1s wrote: I am your strongest scumread? You told me to cool off, because you thought I was getting overwhelmed and it seemed "too easy". This implies that you had a town read on me, obviously. You then give me additional "points" for the case I made. And now I am a scumread of yours? I'm sorry but I don't follow this faulty logic of yours, please explain. False: The implication of asking you to cool off is that I'm second guessing myself. It was still a scum read, but in the last game I played, I got too nitpicky and then tunneled a fellow townie rather unproductively. I'd rather lay off for a bit, cool off myself and see what you come back with. Your response to my request to read Yamato's filter looks like a tunneled townie who insists on being right, which is kind of what I expected. On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote: Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you. Well don't keep us in suspense....he's 3-headed Fluffy isnt he | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote: What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Okay LA, lets try again. From the same quote: On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. @wbg voters: dafuq? See the red. Your rebuttal? | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote: Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that. LastArgument thinks he caught me with my pants down because I initially argued in favor of Mocsta wanting to withhold the house playerlists with panicked and poorly thought out reasoning and explanations. The fact that I've changed my mind shows that I'm scum trying to get out of the confrontation and sweep things under the rug hoping no one looks further. But not LA though, hes a smart cookie, that one.. | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:51 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay LA, lets try again. From the same quote: See the red. Your rebuttal? LastArgument, you've ignored this. | ||
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On October 18 2013 00:15 LastArgument wrote: Because it's a silly line of questioning. I'll probably be looking elsewhere than you for now though, don't really feel like explaining why. So, you're unvoting me, right? | ||
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On October 18 2013 00:52 LastArgument wrote: I can't think of an occasion in the last however long that a self-aware miller didn't claim on Day 1. And they were certainly never lynched for it. Mattchew was lynched...about a year ago due to a self-aware claim day1. Sidenote, get your vote off me or re-explain why im scum. On October 18 2013 01:00 yamato77 wrote: Also, if anyone wants to comment on the waffle from Toad, I'd like some other perspectives. Short answer is he sees a bunch of null tells and a couple town tells. ergo you're a townread. Grats. Palmar, you're not much for discussing closed setups iirc, but what do you make of Yamato and Mattchew outing their QT playerlists (Top of page 25)? If you'd rather not comment on this, can you do something other than sit and wait on mocsta's return? In other news, we're on track to policy lynch someone. Will it be the lurker, the troll, or the claimed self-aware miller? | ||
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On October 18 2013 02:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont give a shit, they said that in golden sun too and the 4 main characters of the game were all blue roles but nobody knew the flavor thankfully. Im confirmed town as far as im concerned until a main character flips scum. I am confirmed town. To myself. Because I have my PM. That tells me I'm town. I do not have this information for you. Therefore you are confirmed full of shit. Stop antagonizing yamato. After that, you can hunt scum or die. Its your choice. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Cephiro I'll be back before deadline, but not by more than 20-30 minutes. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:46 Mocsta wrote: OK, I know I didnt build a case on zaragon for the rest of the thread to understand. But what actually is the objection? Does anyone have a town read on him? I have a BH is drunk read. I dont lynch drunk BH | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:50 Cephiro wrote: Also for the "Palmar modkill speculation" Assuming worst case scenario: (Both me and him are town) If we lynch Palmar -> Palmar dies (-1 Town?) If we lynch Me -> I die (-1 Town, possibly -2 if palmar gets modkilled and is town) All aboard the Palmar wagon? >_> please stahp. | ||
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On October 19 2013 05:11 Grackaroni wrote: They had to put the big red text in the post too... Which house was the victor? we find out with daypost. contest just ended, now they judge | ||
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On October 19 2013 05:28 syllogism wrote: Palmar perhaps next time day vig the person you want to policy lynch instead of whining about him all day save this kind of stuff for post game. palmar's dead, it wont help anymore | ||
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His reasoning makes complete sense when your starting point is cephiro's voteing pattern (and figure hes scum because of it). He SHOULD have stayed on mattchew according to his reads. There was no self preservation to consider when he ended up on palmar. It starts at Ceph IMO, and leads to mattchew. | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote: To answer some questions about me with the flips: I obviously was his mason partner. I'm assuming supersoft didn't want me viged because LA was more than capable of determining my alignment. We weren't modconfirmed as far as we know (and acted as such) unless you consider being twins modconfirmed, which we didn't. I was interested in super in the griff qt because LA hadn't told me he shared with his qt. I figured it out after looking over the qt lists then had LA confirm it. The reason for my inactivity in that qt was a mix of my usual inactivity d1 and that I stated early that I was going to use that qt sparingly because we weren't confirmed, but picked it up a bit after he was clearly town in the thread. Any other questions? scumreads? you're one of mine due to lackthereof. | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:11 StorrZerg wrote: Would it be a safe call, if a "cop" had a check on mafia, to come out? If it were a one-shot cop, its probably a good idea. If you could cop again, probably not. | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:24 Holyflare wrote: Going to do an analysis on these events when I have the time. There are some people that come out looking scummy from these kills. I dont see how...but okay, looking forward to it. The only strange kill to me is Pandain. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:01 syllogism wrote: No, me being an innocent child is my license not to do anything. Even now I'm just pushing a policy lynch on a miller. meh, we should have done this day 1. 3 mafia down already? I'm willing to coast for a day. Realistically we probably bought 3 cycles towards endgame by halving mafia kp the first night. | ||
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On October 19 2013 05:17 You-Know-Who wrote: Official Announcement: How could you want to hurt a face like that? It's obvious that Syllogism is an Innocent Child. He is Town. <3 | ||
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On October 18 2013 00:00 Pandain wrote: Alright then hopefully you will recognize you are wrong. I'll probably push Echolen, Palmar, or Mattchew later but we'll see. O_O On October 18 2013 03:07 Pandain wrote: Given the fact Palmar isn't going to do shit without X happening he's good chance of scum. Also I haven't played with him in forever but isn't he good on day one and nail people? double-post edit by me Also Storrzerg and Echolon The consistencies are Palmar and ET, known flips that I can make sense of the mafia motivation for having those reads. Storr and Matt were fluff to round out "I has sucpizuns" imo. Town read on Vayne. From Pandain's filter: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 02:26 Pandain wrote: He was a dick to me in Thug, and even though I was mafia he couldn't be sure. And being a dick isn't acceptable anyway. I wanted to do this at the start of the game but was willing to give him a chance and actually scum hunt other players who are lynched solely for their posts. However Vayne is disrupting the thread and will be a nuisiance later on. I will in essence sup up my (good) reasons for lynching Vayne that I had outlined in Thug Life: 1. His playstyle is not to lynch people but to avoid getting lynched. This is a playstyle which needs to be discouraged. 2. Hes not going to contribute until Day 3/4 anyway. I actually had a town read on him which I wasn't certain on, but he's a good enough lynch as honestly we probably wouldn't lynch scum anyway today. I'll bet he knows Vayne's town. | ||
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matt town for showing storr why he's likely confirmed town. also pandain's scumread holyflare town for, you know, actually hunting scum and generally making sense. grack...doesnt seem like scum? his playful attitude hasnt changed since daypost. | ||
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On October 20 2013 12:39 Holyflare wrote: I know what process of elimination is -.- I'm asking your reasoning. If the only thing that's making you lean town for others is that they pointed out something that made someone else look town that's dumb. pandain's filter gives me a much stronger indication that storr and matt are town. That leaves you and grack, and I think grack is more likely town. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:29 Hopeless1der wrote: Things from Pandain's filter: tl;dr I think Mattchew Storr and Vayne are town. The consistencies are Palmar and ET, known flips that I can make sense of the mafia motivation for having those reads. Storr and Matt were fluff to round out "I has sucpizuns" imo. Town read on Vayne. From Pandain's filter: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 02:26 Pandain wrote: He was a dick to me in Thug, and even though I was mafia he couldn't be sure. And being a dick isn't acceptable anyway. I wanted to do this at the start of the game but was willing to give him a chance and actually scum hunt other players who are lynched solely for their posts. However Vayne is disrupting the thread and will be a nuisiance later on. I will in essence sup up my (good) reasons for lynching Vayne that I had outlined in Thug Life: 1. His playstyle is not to lynch people but to avoid getting lynched. This is a playstyle which needs to be discouraged. 2. Hes not going to contribute until Day 3/4 anyway. I actually had a town read on him which I wasn't certain on, but he's a good enough lynch as honestly we probably wouldn't lynch scum anyway today. I'll bet he knows Vayne's town. | ||
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On October 20 2013 13:33 Holyflare wrote: We already pretty much declared storr and matt town before this whole situation in the QT by the way. This is true. I still think Pandain's filter supports the conclusion quite strongly. | ||
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On October 21 2013 03:02 StorrZerg wrote: Do we think that is likely? ALSO MYSTERIOUS POTIONS ANYONE? did anyone get one... No one received one. Stop asking. | ||
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On October 21 2013 03:14 syllogism wrote: Can everyone else in Hufflepuff role claim in the thread? If you already claimed in the QT, might as well share the information with everyone since it's almost certain that one of you is mafia. There's still the chance at millers or framers...I'm a jackofalltrades and don't want to full claim beyond that. | ||
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On October 21 2013 04:08 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys. Doing some renovations to my apt so I'll try to get something in tonight. As always weekends suck for me. Not to be a dick but, let's just say I don't blame the weekend. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:57 raynpelikonoshi wrote: StorrZerg you have absolutely no idea how Pandain interacts with his scumbuddies. Storr & Matt, rephrase your QT. Now. I don't believe your bullshit with no proof given. -rayn Hufflepuff as a house has established that storr and matt are town. Stop trying to strongarm them. They had a mason chat and decided they were mutually town. Deal. With. It. Cephiro What in the hell was up with your vote on Palmar? What are you thoughts on me, grack, or holy? Stop blaming hufflepuff for not solving who to lynch FOR town. Are you part of us or not, do your own work instead of pawning responsibility onto everyone else. You've been active. You haven't been actively hunting scum. Mattchew absolutely doesn't count, especially in light of you apparently stealing someone elses case. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So, apparently everyone in Hufflepuff knows a lot of townies. Everyone has StorrZerg as a townread. Therefore you can trust his check. SO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE YOU BASICALLY KNOW WHO IS SCUM THERE? -rayn Shut. Up. Please. Hufflepuff will decide when we want to lynch from within. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote: Dear Hopeless, You promised a reread of the D1 lynch did u do that yet? PS are you scum? I did, i don't like cephiro's voting pattern and want an explanation. Its easily the most conspicuous part of the end of Day 1 to me. Further, LoneMeow's post here makes me think scum were sincerely attempting to swing a (successful) mislynch on Palmar. Its hard to say whether the draw of Palmar's death was worth sticking his neck out the way he did, or if there was the added bonus of saving a teammate. On October 19 2013 03:48 LoneMeow wrote: I feel Cephiro is unsafe lynch, despite the lack of (earlier) content. I don't understand why he'd play this way, but to me it seems his current frustration is genuine. I'd far rather lynch Palmar, his filter has a distinct lack of scum hunting in it. ##Vote: Palmar Its one of the only posts he has, and certainly the only one that shows any kind of motive. PS No, I'm not scum PSS I'm not clear on why you insist ceph is not scum, but I havent read that closely the past couple pages. Can you spell it out for me? | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:20 Cephiro wrote: I would have loved to hear this statement that it is an common opinion that you all agree with. (Storr & matt both being town.) If you all very firmly believe so, that leaves only you and holy for me, and atm I think you are looking better than holy. I have not provided analytive case posts because I have wanted to hear more from the house members and what has been going on in your QT, and your opinions on each other before finishing them. Even in the few hours up to now my reads have changed significantly. I don't see why I should make an "unfinished case". As for the case-steal, I will come out now and say that it was just a ploy. JAT & rayko can confirm this. I intendendly copied his read after asking if he was okay with, and asked him to call me out for it. I got what I needed from it, so I wish that will be left alone now as it's very likely something others will not get much out of. A) You ignored the palmar vote shenanigans. B) The highlighted is scummy considering we are discussing things in our QT and can vouch for our reads concerning one another. You should not require OUR reads to form your own. You're stalling and planning to tailor your reads to Hufflepuff sentiment however it can suit you. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:34 syllogism wrote: There's been a lot of discussion revolving around the issue already and likely more in their QT. Everyone in hufflepuff is fairly active and has to stay that way. I would rather have them find mafia outside the house, as that is useful information and I would prefer killing people who aren't playing the game and may be mafia (bh,yamato, maybe stutters). Do you think ceph is legit "playing the game" at this point? | ||
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The Palmar vote shenanigans Ceph. Y u do dis? | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote: A) Sorry, did not mean to. See below. B) I want to hear your opinion of the QT stuff because it's extremely valuable information that none of us outside has. I don't want to steal your reads, I want to hear them. More importantly, I WANT THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN YOUR QT I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. Makes reading into the posts by hufflepuffians much easier. Is there something unclear about this? Yes, the part where you were not going to die and a scumread was an available target. What is your motive for not wanting to push Mattchew at the end of Day1? | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:06 Sn0_Man wrote: So Scum voted Ceph when the voting was CLOSE yesterday then peaced all the way thru the lynch. Ceph can't be scum tho I admit he looks kinda anti town. Try again The WIFOM is strong with this one. On October 22 2013 01:49 Cephiro wrote: Also we definitely should lynch either hope or holy tonight. If all these hufflepuffians believe in Storr & Matt so strongly, that either leaves. A) Scum is holy or hope (Grack is extremely unlikely to be scum based on his thread presence, and the pandain mason query.) B) Cop check is bullshit C) Scum matt managed to talk Storr over to believe in him. With matt's recent reactions I am very firmly believing it is either hope or holy. Holy looking worse right now in my opinion. Elaborate please. | ||
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He did syllo On October 21 2013 04:13 Stutters695 wrote: Parvati Patil role pm was identical to LA's except with the names switched. | ||
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I don't want to lynch within Hufflepuff, but Holy's got my number on not giving Grack enough of a read to have an informed opinion. | ||
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On October 22 2013 03:05 syllogism wrote: So if the potion is given on n1, it has to be chucked on n2 and takes effect on n3? Takes effect immediately. For example if toad lived I would have gotten his alignment, assuming he drank it, once hosts had confirmed the actions. Potions show up with the day post and a message saying mysterious potion like storr was asking about earlier. | ||
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On October 22 2013 03:09 syllogism wrote: So you are saying that if you give me one of the potions and I quaff it tonight, I can't be targeted by actions? You won't be able to drink it until start of day 3.So long as you don't die tonight then I can guarantee your safety from start of day 3 to start of day 4. | ||
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it doesnt. Matt has the right of this, controlling my abilities doesn't prove anything towards my alignment. However, I can't lie about what each ability does or who I'm using it on. That information is going to be public. Town is making my decisions so you can't expect my powers to benefit scum, even if you think I am scum. Is that a completely unreasonable compromise to you Matt? @Ceph's insistent "There was no daypost message" There won't be one. Syllo will (should) get a PM. | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:30 syllogism wrote: The "if target dies they live another 24 hours" potion is a really bad claim if he is mafia as we have means of killing people (would lynch count?). On the other hand, there is no way mafia actually has a potion with that effect. NK's only. Delays flip for that 24 hours. I'm not sure if the thread is made aware of the death, but the potion drinker will be aware they are set to die. | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:32 Mattchew wrote: If you play along with what town tells you to do you dont get lynched.. you are being forced into these decisions, so the decision to do this isn't alignment indicative I know and I agree. However, if you think I am scum, at the very least my powers are being used in the most "protown" fashion. Felix is at least worth the chance of keeping me around a day, isnt it? | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:33 Mattchew wrote: why not? it could win them the game and force a day sooner lylo How? Their vote wouldn't count by the end of the day. The benefit of the ability is to guarantee return checks from night actions and possibly for strong townies to give analysis on new content from other NK's, or even on their OWN death. Its a very pro-town ability. | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote: "felix"? immunity/untargettable i.e. what we're saying i'll give to syllo | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:42 StorrZerg wrote: Voted Hopeless ...uhhh why? You dont want to chance me making syllo invulnerable? | ||
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On October 22 2013 05:47 Chairman Ray wrote: I think I said I was vanilla townie already. Name is Anthony Goldstein, from Ravenclaw. I remember someone saying you claimed this (VT) in your house qt | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Like, HolyFlare knew that the shit that went down went down on syllo. Only scum know that for sure (and me). just because i didnt say it doesnt mean i wasnt thinking the same as holy. You're talking out your ass. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I agree with snow. Why Syllo over a dead target? Nobody would think that the watched target would survive. when that target was modconfirmed town? One Jailer or busdriver and syllo wakes up fresh as a daisy. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Syllo, how do both .5KP's die and I somehow know about it as a watcher, and why does that have to be on you? Holyflare is scum. busdriver onto PGO. Conduct some behavioral analysis to show why Holyflare is scum if you legitimately want to push this lynch. This discussion isn't enough. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:34 syllogism wrote: Anyway, role does not equal alignment so even if BH is a non-conseq medic, he may be mafia. similarly I don't expect to be confirmed town when you get a mysterious potion that grants you invulnerability when you drink it. | ||
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On October 23 2013 05:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why is Grack not saying what the candie did? He is scum. He is scum. He is scum. VA TOLD GRYPH QT GRACK WAS SCUM GRACK IS SCUM and where did Vayne get this wealth of knowledge from? | ||
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On October 23 2013 05:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Hmm. You are scum for many reasons. But you are not a VT for a reason I can "prove". Now are you scum or blue? I'll run with lynch all liars. I hereby request proof from raynpelikonoshi that Grackaroni is not a VT. | ||
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I didnt say that. Still waiting on your proof though. Syllo, you around, and did you drink the potion? | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote: That's funny because our candy only affects if you have a role of some sort... Explain? -rayn Who'd you candy yesterday? or is that a secret? | ||
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Scumclaims if I ever saw them. Sit down and relax for 5 minutes, okay you clowns? | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:29 Sn0_Man wrote: Oh dear im laughing so hard right now. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:20 Mattchew wrote: Gryff: Cephiro Pandain VayneAuthority raynpelikonoshi Stutters695 justanothertownie On October 23 2013 04:06 syllogism wrote: JAT is not mafia, he is essentially confirmed town rayn/koshi are trying to 1v1 grack in a way that would be mafia suicide. The Cephiro train is open for business. | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:52 Sn0_Man wrote: I need an explanation on the JAT read. You need to be stabbed by Occam's razor. I'm following syllo's lead, but today's lynch is between Ceph, grack and CR imo. | ||
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My pressing concern is how does his check reflect the presence of a potential 3rd party. | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:14 raynpelikonoshi wrote: There is one scum in our house QT. Pandain has flipped scum. Matt is house cop. There is STILL ONE SCUM IN OUR QT! ROFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -rayn Who claimed this prior to Matt's claim today? I mean as a role claim, not speculation. | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: He is saying he did check us on N1.... -rayn that was for his N2 check, dingleberry | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Also it was my idea to pressure Grack. This isn't on rayn. fuck this game | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:28 StorrZerg wrote: we have 2 medics wtf are you talking about lol We didnt know that yet. Mocsta's claim is easily the dumbest thing I've read since the day started. And we've already had the mods come in and tell us to shape up. I'm going to bed. | ||
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On October 23 2013 21:27 syllogism wrote: Why? I will likely drink it, but I'm in no hurry as I presumably have until the lynch. Are you informed when I drink it? I assume I will not be provided information regarding it's effect. The way my PM is phrased, it will inform you upon drinking it. I will not receive a notification. It also provides immunity to day-actions. I guess they're not likely to come out anymore but the added security might be nice. I doubt you will be able to carry the immunity beyond the current Day/Night cycle. If you have information to the contrary, then by all means hold onto it. | ||
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On October 23 2013 21:45 syllogism wrote: Lets lynch Chairman Ray today so Cephiro has to squirm for another day okay. voted. | ||
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On October 24 2013 06:00 Grackaroni wrote: I will say in Cephiro's favor after re-reading his filter it looks very likely that he cop checked Mattchew. i dont remember him claiming that...i thought he claimed a greencheck on rayn. | ||
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On October 24 2013 06:09 Grackaroni wrote: He didn't claim it but it makes sense from his Filter. Scum read on Mattchew *gives Mattchew candy* Mattchew is a bad lynch because Hufflepuff has town reads on him. I...he...wut?? A)Rayn/koshi claimed candy powers. B) How is this a "defense" of Cephiro...he had a scumread and...did....nothing about it? Something? There are no role actions to say one or the other, what are you doing Grack? | ||
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On October 24 2013 06:19 Cephiro wrote: This Grack. So smart. Much impress. Grackaroni would not try to soft-defend me if he was scum. -> Grack town. Also he's nicely picking on stuff many others aren't. Time for the rest of the town to wake up also? i.e. too dumb to be scum huehuehue kthx Did raynoshi get a coin? How does ceph also have candy to give? Alternatively Grack, why didn't matt said anything about receiving candy? That phrase in Ceph's post (+ Show Spoiler + On October 21 2013 23:39 Cephiro wrote: Matt is really scummy. First, he was pretty useless during day 1. There was no scumhunting. Second, his N1 reads are townreads instead of scumreads. (Town on Pandain, nothing on ET, nothing on LM...) During this day there was a case on hopeless by rayko without any reasoning except that there is 1 scum in hufflepuff. Even now matt has provided no reasoning for being suspicious of hopeless, except that it was a case "centered around him asking a lot of questions but not furthering his thought process / reads through them". And lastly, after this he claimed that the people he wants to lynch are in a guy who has done townie things and 3 nullreads. (Onegu, JAT, VA, Yam/CR) It doesn't make any sense at all. He says he want to lynch into those 4 guys, but thinks one is townie, one is afk but has thread snetiment, and 2 he hasn't read yet. In short: Mattchew isn't doing anything. *Candy given* -> huehuehue, Final Answer. | ||
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On October 24 2013 06:33 Sn0_Man wrote: I'd go with: Ceph investigated rayn, learned about his candy giving role, tried to fake-claim it subtly. so...hes a full cop role, name and alignment? you kidding me? | ||
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On October 24 2013 06:35 Sn0_Man wrote: As scum rolecop he recieved name and role that seems quite reasonable. On October 24 2013 06:36 Blazinghand wrote: rolecop is a fairly common scum role. I thought sno was inferring that ceph was town since it came after Grack's + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2013 06:32 Grackaroni wrote: That claim is problematic though, if we are to believe Cephiro is town then there are green checks on Rayn/Matt and JAT is vig with Matt saying 1 scum in gryffindor. | ||
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On October 24 2013 06:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote: This is what he said: He investigated us, said he got only our role name. Somehow he knew we had candy as power. I asked him about it, he said "it's obvious given your role name". Then, later on he revealed that it was also an affiliation check. So he claims to be an role-name&affiliation cop and have guessed our rolepowers name. -rayn I ctrl+f'd your filter for "candy". The first instance is ceph's quote, where you proceed to tear him a new one for stealing your case. Have you mentioned your role at all in the QT or to anyone in pm's/masons or anything else? How did ceph know about the candy? | ||
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On October 24 2013 06:46 Cephiro wrote: Town* Ron Weasley. Knowing my own role with these coins, it wasn't hard to figure a character like Ron probably has something similar but with candies as a flavour instead. (Come on, think of the lore, can you think of something else than candies that fits him?) Weasly's Wizarding Wheezes belong(ed) to Fred and George, not Ron. Ron can have spellotape, that regurgitating slug spell, his keeper skills, his chess intellect or that smudge of dirt on the end of his nose. Candies are absolutely not my go-to choice. | ||
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On October 24 2013 06:57 Cephiro wrote: WWW Check link. That's a joke shop by default. They do also sell sweets (Including the canary one which is one of rayko's candies results.) Since the first movie when Harry, Hermione & Ron at the train there's clearly shown that Ron is a man of the sweets and food. Gaining a little extra flavour from his brothers is not unlikely. I think this is a fairly pointless discussion though. I think I'm happier than ever with my vote placement and I'm going to have a sweet to celebrate. | ||
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On October 24 2013 07:01 Cephiro wrote: ... You guys really are pointless to discuss with, I don't know why I'm even trying. Let me hear your theories instead. You're....well I want to say "scum", but I'll settle for "not town" | ||
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On October 24 2013 07:07 Cephiro wrote: Well now you know how I feel when I'm trying to read all these weird as shit theories as for why I'm scum. My role PM clearly tells me otherwise. (Inb4 more voldemort speculation and me having anything to do with the deathly hallows and so on.) so ceph, who do we lynch after you? | ||
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so this tells me that ceph almost certainly has some form of role cop ability. Does it make sense to anyone that he simultaneously has a name or alignment cop ability rolled in? I got a nerfed alignment cop ability. LoneMeow got a gimped rolecop ability thats like half a watcher. Ceph claims both of those AND a name check to boot. SHENANIGANS I say. My guess is, he is hermione and knows ron is not scum. (This doesnt mean rayn is guaranteed town, but it likely means he's not scum i.e. 3rd party is possible). Oh and that he is another role cop/ JOAT. Something to tell him raynoshi has that sweet sweet candy. (p.s. I'm getting all this speculation down so its here when something inevitably gets revealed and screws it all up) | ||
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On October 24 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote: Seriously.. what type of scum role lets u fake ic for more than a cycle. Anyhoo Maybe when the asshole is lynched this game will become enjoyable and I can be bothered to filter read. Like the content between Grack and rayn before is probably contentful. I just can't push myself beyond a skim... Sigh. Pray Matt flips scum so you almost don't have to read their shitshow. | ||
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On October 25 2013 00:13 Hopeless1der wrote: random thought. if scum have an unlynchable ability, are we okay with CR being our secondary? You guys? I assume the silence means thats a yes. | ||
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On October 25 2013 01:06 raynpelikonoshi wrote: CR sounds a good second wagon. I can switch. CR is maybe getting modkilled. backup to the backup if he neglects to vote? I'd prefer skanjab. | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:52 Cephiro wrote: Also you can now all do the whining and complaining you will do once I flip so that you can get onto scumhunting right after instead of spending an hour of "Omg ceph so bad never play games with him again" Don't worry, it'll get saved for the postgame. | ||
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On October 25 2013 04:12 Cephiro wrote: Last minute voteswitch on holyflare gogo. ##vote: Holyflare CHOO CHOO, All aboard! | ||
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On October 25 2013 04:48 justanothertownie wrote: Do you have any reason for this fear of unlynchability? yeah my cop check included an unlynchabe clause. i just want to cover our bases. | ||
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I sure I could confirmation bias a large amount of Holy's filter but I'll try to keep this as concise as I can. This stuff keeps cropping up in the back of my head. Broken promise On October 20 2013 06:24 Holyflare wrote: Going to do an analysis on these events when I have the time. There are some people that come out looking scummy from these kills. forgetting his story, chipping in bullshit speculation On October 21 2013 04:19 Holyflare wrote: Hufflepuff has 1 scum in it and that won't change. We do not know who it is, we know who it could be. We presumably/definitely have cops that can eliminate/confirm suspicions so wouldn't it be best to systematically determine who the scum is in hufflepuff that way? I do not mind who you check and in what order but at least this way we can find other scum at the same time. On October 23 2013 05:18 Holyflare wrote: BH is fucking scum -.-, how many times......... They must have shot storr but didn't know he had 1.5hp as we didn't reveal in thread and so it didn't go through. The second quote makes no sense when he has stated with full confidence that there is a scum in hufflepuff. I'd believe this last one is hyperbole, but this is the start of stuff I can confirmation bias. Another broken promise + Show Spoiler + On October 22 2013 11:09 Holyflare wrote: a) you're using my "underwhelming" performance to paint me in a negative light b) it annoys me because it should be obvious why and you are still pointing it out c) tomorrow will be 100% better than today I guarentee you I will solve this game in 1 case, mark my words. Role Speculation Crabbe had the same ability with a Day and Night version. + Show Spoiler + EchelonTee as Vincent Crabbe was sent to St. Mungos! + Show Spoiler + You are Vincent Crabbe. Being a beater of the Slytherin Quidditch team you are able to knock someone out with a Bludger. Your target will be hit for 0.5 KP. You have four Bludgers. Type ##Bludger: XY in the game to hit someone during day and PM the host with ##Bludger: XY to hit someone at night. You may hit two bludgers per cycle but only one per day and one per night at most. Also, you and Goyle are BFFs and therefore inseparable. If one of you dies, the other dies as well. You win with Scum. Scum QT: [REDACTED] And of course Ceph's extra vote being town-aligned makes HF look worse since he's claimed a secret vote of his own. | ||
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On October 26 2013 05:15 justanothertownie wrote: So getting rid of CR IS lynching into cop checks. Works for me. ##Vote: ChairmanRay ##24 hour Day | ||
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On October 27 2013 02:00 Mocsta wrote: worse tuning is. assuming the onrgu is town, the rb on BH and cr did nothing. if BH is scum in this scenario, I expected him to do the nk. the other hand is, BH or Cr was roleblockrd and onegh is now countering with vet claim. I.e onegu is scum... I find this unlikely as I would expect a fake cc like this to go hand in hand with a counter for elsewhere... whereas onegu is more just stating an occurrence. p.s.hopeless potion did as he described... again, I think his potion abilities are null..l that is,good for town or sdum.. I wonder why hopeless did not want me to do nightnaction on him????? I had to give it to someone, and you roleblocking me is definitely bad for me and sometimes bad for town. Today's vote is no where near close, so you losing it is inconsequential. | ||
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On October 27 2013 12:17 Holyflare wrote: So Mocsta drank a potion where his vote doesn't count but it's still counted? Is that a mistake or is the potion a lie. he cant vote me, and more importantly can't target me at night. I still have to give out the "you can't vote period (and also live 24 hours in the event of death)" | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:24 Holyflare wrote: Going to do an analysis on these events when I have the time. There are some people that come out looking scummy from these kills. Holyflare did this ever come to fruition? | ||
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On October 28 2013 05:51 Hopeless1der wrote: Holyflare did this ever come to fruition? In response to 5) Mocsta, shooting into the checked houses seems like it'd be bad for scum (i.e. shooting me or grack for example) In response to 3), we don't know how faction KP is assigned, and preventing one player in particular doesnt prevent the other two. I know your role is detrimental to me. However, in this line of reasoning I'd like to know whether Holyflare has an answer to the question he asked me: On October 27 2013 13:39 Holyflare wrote: Why would you give that to mocsta and not someone scummy? Because I don't know a player who is both scummy and has a role that can mess with me. | ||
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On October 29 2013 03:12 Sn0_Man wrote: hopeless is no jack. am i a jill then? | ||
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On October 29 2013 04:38 justanothertownie wrote: I thought I said give it to Sno... you did but i dont expect sno to live long enough for it to matter. i do expect you to. On October 29 2013 04:43 justanothertownie wrote: ... Trying to give it to me won't help either. well..derp | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: He did have the time for that shit but not to play the damn game. GG sno you did well. drink it. | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: What does the potion again? you have no vote and survive an additional 24 hours in the event of death (from night kills) | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:18 syllogism wrote: Hopeless1der: are you saying that his vote is gone forever or just for this cycle? Well, as phrased it would be forever, but....by that logic, you're immune for the rest of the game, except from the lynch. So...take from that what you will. | ||
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On October 29 2013 06:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Because perma-cancelling a vote from a most likely town member is essentially a same thing than killing them. That's fucking scummy. Even if I perma cancelled his vote (I didn't) that would mean I perma invulnerabled our IC. In any case: My role is self confirming tonight. Lynch elsewhere today. Unless you think scum have ALIGNMENT checks. Bear in mind, I don't know what pm syllo, mocsta, or (hopefully jat) whoever else would receive explicitly, but its supposed to tell them what the potion did to them when they drink it. | ||
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On October 29 2013 07:05 Holyflare wrote: Why would you cancel jats vote (someone who is obviously a town vig) over someone like me who has a secret vote? Thats not all the potion does. | ||
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On October 29 2013 08:29 Mocsta wrote: ##vote: hopeless1der guy has completely ignored everything I wrote. gtfo scum My role will self confirm. You gtfo. | ||
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On October 29 2013 08:36 Mocsta wrote: by self confirm, I gather you mean: scum claim /ignore. Lest I draw the wrath of the hosts. | ||
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On October 29 2013 09:15 Mocsta wrote: 1. I thought you used the check potion on yourself. So the outcome is non verifiable. 2. Amortization potion was as you described, as was syllo potion. Why is this meaningful? There were many reasons for scum to give those potions to town. And my judgement on you is based on overall play, not your potions. 3. You have provided zero detail to how you wills self confirm 3. the pm that the targetted player receives will notify them that their ALIGNMENT has been revealed to me. Unless you think scum can have alignment checks, my role confirms in this manner. It boggles my mind that you don't understand this already. It requires a second trusted person for this to work obviously. and for the love of god, DO NOT start spewing bullshit about how I'm going to fakeclaim and get a scumbuddy to claim green to "verify" my copcheck. Just dont. "pretend" I'm telling the truth (I am in fact telling the truth) and then hunt scum elsewhere. | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:33 Blazinghand wrote: I never pay attention to IRL excuses under any circumstances. Easily lied about. Edit: In a way, I almost consider talking about IRL excuses "cheating" in the sense that it's a non-defense that people for whatever reason accept. If I'm ever away from the thread for a period of time, I never give a reason for it. Mafia is about mafia, and that's it. I dont remember the context exactly but that BH would lynch our BH. Not because of the emotional posts, but because he's really scummy looking. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:15 Mocsta wrote: So why does this post from November 2012 count; yet, the posts LA produced of your opinion on Policy Lynching (as town) from 2012 do not count? Because shut up. In all seriousness, I already explained to LA why those posts should not apply. If BH wishes to come in and tell me why my interpretation is wrong, he is more than welcome to do so. ##Vote Blazinghand | ||
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Did grack claim ANYTHING other than vanilla town = squib? I don't recall him doing so. | ||
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On October 21 2013 02:46 Holyflare wrote: I am a squib with an extra vote On October 21 2013 02:47 Holyflare wrote: No, squib is someone with no magical powers, hence why my 'power' is not a power, it is a vote. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:49 syllogism wrote: It says it will turn a person into A SQUIB and then says that this means the person will be a vanilla townie. There is no way way to argue your way out of this unless we get a host to confirm that this is an error. I-Be-Pro as Gregory Goyle was sent to St. Mungos! [spoiler]You are Gregory Goyle. Your parents sent you to Hogwarts to educate you into a proper wizard but it turns out you are a Squib. You and Crabbe are BFFs and therefore inseparable. If one of you dies, the other dies as well. Do you think lovers are on par with a doublevote? | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:51 Hopeless1der wrote: I-Be-Pro as Gregory Goyle was sent to St. Mungos! + Show Spoiler + You are Gregory Goyle. Your parents sent you to Hogwarts to educate you into a proper wizard but it turns out you are a Squib. You and Crabbe are BFFs and therefore inseparable. If one of you dies, the other dies as well. Do you think lovers are on par with a doublevote? | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:58 Holyflare wrote: As if mods would modconfirm a player, that's essentially telling you that I'm town anyway?! That's a ludicrous thing to say No, syllo is saying it confirms you to be a liar and by extension, scum (since you shouldn't have "squib" in your role pm as a townie with a ## activated power) | ||
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I don't think we will need your vote today. If you believe I'm telling the truth about the potions effect, here is your decision: What is more valuable? a) Your vote today b) any potential information that you "living" through the night would give to town. i.e. cop checks with b) you will not flip until 24 hours into Day 6 (its currently Day 5) in the event that you get NK'd. If you don't want to drink it, then pm the hosts you dont want it. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:39 justanothertownie wrote: Thank you for the answer. I did never assume you were scum just because you gave me this potion. I also did not say you lied about it's effect. I just want some opinions on the usefulness of drinking it. Yours is noted. yeah, but I didn't exactly instill confidence with such gems as "drink it", closely followed by On October 29 2013 05:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote: DONt'T DRINK IT! On October 29 2013 05:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote: ##Vote: Hopeless1der It is as simple as I've put it. If you think you can get a copcheck off, its probably worth drinking it. If not, don't. Obviously you shouldn't reveal what you choose, but as a forewarning if you Pm the hosts that you do NOT want to drink it, I will be notified. Not that I'd reveal it, just letting you know. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:42 Holyflare wrote: Wait what, it stops the player flipping?? 24 hour delayed flip. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:25 justanothertownie wrote: I still don't get why hopeless calls himself confirmed but maybe that's just me i'm not. but i damn near will be. in the meantime, skanjab or bh should be lynched. Skanjab is being the bigger jerk of the two, so thats where my vote is. | ||
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On October 31 2013 08:14 Blazinghand wrote: now he's claiming it was a joke but he MADE the VOTE WITH ## would you being squibbed explain lack of a medic save? or did the timing not line up for that? | ||
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On November 02 2013 05:06 Sn0_Man wrote: or something seconded. | ||
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Side note id tried to cop check onegu the night I died. No idea how that would have turned out. | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:53 syllogism wrote: They should have just allowed you to play for the 24 hours regardless of the flip. Knowing your alignment for those 24 hours pre-flip wouldn't really have impacted the game at all and most players already considered you town. Yeah I didn't really fight to stay in the game just kind of said welp I guess I'll go read the obsqt (which I'd already received before the error was identified). I maybe could have honor systemed into the 24 hours but I consider dead=dead when I flipped. | ||
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Having seen all their roles, I definitely think bluesniping should have been a higher priority for them, but goddamn this town lineup was something to fear. | ||
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3 got shot by jat,basically at syllos command and 2 suicided on syllo. Holy shit syllo town MV-fuckin-P! | ||
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Also, the hallows basically created a 3rd party in whoever had the elder wand, which was a really cool mechanic, albeit a little bit overpowered. | ||
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