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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 16 2013 23:16 GMT
#421
Theres a certain amount of scum motivation to not trying the pickup line challenge simply because you feel like another house could be influenced more easily by scum. Since a scum player would know which house had the most scummers in it (and/or the least strong town)
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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 16 2013 23:16 GMT
#422
On October 17 2013 08:15 I-be-Pro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:05 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:01 I-be-Pro wrote:
Anyways, that's it for me, have to wake up in 7 hours again. Something that might be interesting from my QT or might just be plainly nothing:

Skanjab1s asked if I am I-be-Pro (I called myself Toad in the QT... sry) - nothing wrong with this one at all, despite my recent attacks against him.
snowman answered that question with a positive (trying to rephrase here...)

Think he has been reading the thread and is actively lurking atm. Make of that what you want. I don't have the time to type any more tonight, sry.


If you think is nothing wrong with it, then why bother posting it at all? Seems rather pointless, no?

It's how I play d1. I make a big deal out of very minor things to make people talk about things happening in the thread instead of talking about politics/house-quests or whatever else. The intention is to get some reactions from people and have a quick start into d1. Some people have to start the discussion somehow and I usually take that as my job on d1.

Means I'm usually a big meanie on d1 and I'm often times stating things that look like nothing to people and they're hardly anything else to me most of the time as well. But I find that a lot better than having a discussion the first 24 hours about some weird plan of someone because people have to commit somewhat the way I'm doing things.

I might add it is currently working but now I'm really sleeping


So your plan for catching scum is "post things that aren't important, because then people will talk about unimportant things and that will give me reads"
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 16 2013 23:17 GMT
#423
On October 17 2013 08:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:15 I-be-Pro wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:05 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:01 I-be-Pro wrote:
Anyways, that's it for me, have to wake up in 7 hours again. Something that might be interesting from my QT or might just be plainly nothing:

Skanjab1s asked if I am I-be-Pro (I called myself Toad in the QT... sry) - nothing wrong with this one at all, despite my recent attacks against him.
snowman answered that question with a positive (trying to rephrase here...)

Think he has been reading the thread and is actively lurking atm. Make of that what you want. I don't have the time to type any more tonight, sry.


If you think is nothing wrong with it, then why bother posting it at all? Seems rather pointless, no?

It's how I play d1. I make a big deal out of very minor things to make people talk about things happening in the thread instead of talking about politics/house-quests or whatever else. The intention is to get some reactions from people and have a quick start into d1. Some people have to start the discussion somehow and I usually take that as my job on d1.

Means I'm usually a big meanie on d1 and I'm often times stating things that look like nothing to people and they're hardly anything else to me most of the time as well. But I find that a lot better than having a discussion the first 24 hours about some weird plan of someone because people have to commit somewhat the way I'm doing things.

I might add it is currently working but now I'm really sleeping


So your plan for catching scum is "post things that aren't important, because then people will talk about unimportant things and that will give me reads"

Why don't you 1-up him by posting important things?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 16 2013 23:17 GMT
#424
On October 17 2013 08:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
You should KNOW you are town so do everything in your power to make it based on your opinion or something you actually agree with. Don't just sit back and idle and hope that someone does something useful. That is a totally defeatist attitude "You do the work for me, hopefully it works out." Our aim is to kill scum, I am trying to do that. Is your aim different?

Ok, you don't like that I'm willing to let others control the power instead of myself. But why focus on it? A scum player should also be interested in trying to make the power based on his decisions.


There is little to go on and this is something that struck me as odd. Just like everyone else has been doing. Yes, they would. However, why would you be concerened how other people perceive what you're doing? You know you're town, you take control, you win the game. Who cares what scum are interested in doing?
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 16 2013 23:18 GMT
#425
On October 17 2013 08:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
Theres a certain amount of scum motivation to not trying the pickup line challenge simply because you feel like another house could be influenced more easily by scum. Since a scum player would know which house had the most scummers in it (and/or the least strong town)

What is the scum motivation by saying it in the QT that you won't participate? He can always hide that fact.

imo saying you won't participate is null and probably a ploy to get reactions or something. Let's see how he follows up.
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 16 2013 23:18 GMT
#426
On October 17 2013 08:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Maybe you misunderstood my question. Someone in the game thread specifically indicated he wanted qt convos to be related in this thread. I was asking if you knew who that was.


Oh yeah, I misunderstood you then. Thought you were just trying to see who we were discussing in our QT or something.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 16 2013 23:18 GMT
#427
On October 17 2013 08:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:14 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
You should KNOW you are town so do everything in your power to make it based on your opinion or something you actually agree with. Don't just sit back and idle and hope that someone does something useful. That is a totally defeatist attitude "You do the work for me, hopefully it works out." Our aim is to kill scum, I am trying to do that. Is your aim different?

Ok, you don't like that I'm willing to let others control the power instead of myself. But why focus on it? A scum player should also be interested in trying to make the power based on his decisions.


There is little to go on and this is something that struck me as odd. Just like everyone else has been doing. Yes, they would. However, why would you be concerened how other people perceive what you're doing? You know you're town, you take control, you win the game. Who cares what scum are interested in doing?

I'm not. I want to know why you think what I have done is more likely to come from a scum player than a town player. Pretty simple question.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 16 2013 23:19 GMT
#428
On October 17 2013 08:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:15 I-be-Pro wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:05 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:01 I-be-Pro wrote:
Anyways, that's it for me, have to wake up in 7 hours again. Something that might be interesting from my QT or might just be plainly nothing:

Skanjab1s asked if I am I-be-Pro (I called myself Toad in the QT... sry) - nothing wrong with this one at all, despite my recent attacks against him.
snowman answered that question with a positive (trying to rephrase here...)

Think he has been reading the thread and is actively lurking atm. Make of that what you want. I don't have the time to type any more tonight, sry.


If you think is nothing wrong with it, then why bother posting it at all? Seems rather pointless, no?

It's how I play d1. I make a big deal out of very minor things to make people talk about things happening in the thread instead of talking about politics/house-quests or whatever else. The intention is to get some reactions from people and have a quick start into d1. Some people have to start the discussion somehow and I usually take that as my job on d1.

Means I'm usually a big meanie on d1 and I'm often times stating things that look like nothing to people and they're hardly anything else to me most of the time as well. But I find that a lot better than having a discussion the first 24 hours about some weird plan of someone because people have to commit somewhat the way I'm doing things.

I might add it is currently working but now I'm really sleeping


So your plan for catching scum is "post things that aren't important, because then people will talk about unimportant things and that will give me reads"

Why don't you 1-up him by posting important things?

Oh, I am.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 16 2013 23:19 GMT
#429
I had 69 posts before this post about the number of posts I have.

1-up'd.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
October 16 2013 23:20 GMT
#430
On October 17 2013 07:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 07:17 Zaragon wrote:
Guess we'll let the Houses trickle out to fuel discussion. There is the off-chance that scum has no one in two whole Houses, too. After my last game, I'm going to be more careful about dismissing something very unlikely prematurely.

I realized something is going to be very confusing: bits of rayn's scum play looks similar to Koshi's town, and their hydra is not particularly stating who is talking (unless I missed them setting up times or something in the pregame). For an early read, them using that ambiguity I'll put down as leaning slightly scum.

skanjab1s is just odd so far, somewhat scummy and/or new; any meta on him?


(1) Not new. Odd in what way?
(2) Your scumread on raynoshi is just because you don't know who is posting? Thats hardly a reason to think someone scum, especially since they have already stated earlier before the game started that rayn will put his name at the end of his posts.


You respond to posts as if we should know your meta better when we don't; I didn't take that for a sign of a veteran smurfing and it still doesn't make much sense to me. I'm not getting any kind of personality read on you, so I can only place you by pattern and post motivation right now.

On rayn/koshi; I said I could have missed them setting up details in the pregame, I didn't follow the pregame much. Nullifies that part of the read, which should be quite obvious since I phrased myself clearly.

Bedtime for me. Guess I'll be reading some more Harry Potter for pickup line inspiration.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 16 2013 23:22 GMT
#431
Skanj, humor me at least...who was I referring to?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 16 2013 23:22 GMT
#432
On October 17 2013 08:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
Theres a certain amount of scum motivation to not trying the pickup line challenge simply because you feel like another house could be influenced more easily by scum. Since a scum player would know which house had the most scummers in it (and/or the least strong town)

What is the scum motivation by saying it in the QT that you won't participate? He can always hide that fact.

imo saying you won't participate is null and probably a ploy to get reactions or something. Let's see how he follows up.

I can see that.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 16 2013 23:23 GMT
#433
On October 17 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:17 Holyflare wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:14 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
You should KNOW you are town so do everything in your power to make it based on your opinion or something you actually agree with. Don't just sit back and idle and hope that someone does something useful. That is a totally defeatist attitude "You do the work for me, hopefully it works out." Our aim is to kill scum, I am trying to do that. Is your aim different?

Ok, you don't like that I'm willing to let others control the power instead of myself. But why focus on it? A scum player should also be interested in trying to make the power based on his decisions.


There is little to go on and this is something that struck me as odd. Just like everyone else has been doing. Yes, they would. However, why would you be concerened how other people perceive what you're doing? You know you're town, you take control, you win the game. Who cares what scum are interested in doing?

I'm not. I want to know why you think what I have done is more likely to come from a scum player than a town player. Pretty simple question.


So many hypotheticals that it's hard to believe you are actually asking me this question:

1) You might be the only one in the house and so most probably can't sway it in your favour, let other houses with more scum win and increase your chance.

2) It's a flavour thing and you don't need items to find out who scum are because you know who is scum and who is town.

etc etc. How was that hard to understand?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 16 2013 23:26 GMT
#434
Holy, do you believe grack STATING that he wouldnt submit a line to be null, like koshi suggests?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 16 2013 23:29 GMT
#435
On October 17 2013 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:17 Holyflare wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:14 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
You should KNOW you are town so do everything in your power to make it based on your opinion or something you actually agree with. Don't just sit back and idle and hope that someone does something useful. That is a totally defeatist attitude "You do the work for me, hopefully it works out." Our aim is to kill scum, I am trying to do that. Is your aim different?

Ok, you don't like that I'm willing to let others control the power instead of myself. But why focus on it? A scum player should also be interested in trying to make the power based on his decisions.


There is little to go on and this is something that struck me as odd. Just like everyone else has been doing. Yes, they would. However, why would you be concerened how other people perceive what you're doing? You know you're town, you take control, you win the game. Who cares what scum are interested in doing?

I'm not. I want to know why you think what I have done is more likely to come from a scum player than a town player. Pretty simple question.


So many hypotheticals that it's hard to believe you are actually asking me this question:

1) You might be the only one in the house and so most probably can't sway it in your favour, let other houses with more scum win and increase your chance.

2) It's a flavour thing and you don't need items to find out who scum are because you know who is scum and who is town.

etc etc. How was that hard to understand?

If you are going to spend all of your time posting about me saying that then I should know why you think it makes me more likely to be scum than town. It's not a ridiculous question to ask lol.

I should would be wanting the items regardless if I know who scum are in order to push the items away from my scumbuddies or get credit for pushing it on to them. You don't have very good reasoning for thinking I am scum. The reason I actually don't care too much is that I trust some other people to make better decisions than myself so I'm fine with others having the abilities.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
October 16 2013 23:30 GMT
#436
On October 17 2013 08:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
Skanj, humor me at least...who was I referring to?


supersoft
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 16 2013 23:30 GMT
#437
Hi all,



Firstly,
I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly?

Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play

I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game.

i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc.


Secondly,

Raynkonoshi, can you please confirm that because no posts have been signed by Rayn; you are responsible for every post made by your hydra so far?


Thirdly,

I have no opinion on the skanjab stuff so far. I'm acknowledging it occured because obvious thats the biggest matter going on in the thread so far; but I need to re-read it all again before stating an opinion.


Lastly,
I'm not sure if this is right play to do in a themed closed game. But in a normal I believe you are meant to do this.

I am a self-aware miller.

After my doctor fake-claims as town last game, I can understand those that refuse to believe this.
So if this ends up in my lynch, so be it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 16 2013 23:35 GMT
#438
On October 17 2013 08:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 08:15 I-be-Pro wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:05 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 17 2013 08:01 I-be-Pro wrote:
Anyways, that's it for me, have to wake up in 7 hours again. Something that might be interesting from my QT or might just be plainly nothing:

Skanjab1s asked if I am I-be-Pro (I called myself Toad in the QT... sry) - nothing wrong with this one at all, despite my recent attacks against him.
snowman answered that question with a positive (trying to rephrase here...)

Think he has been reading the thread and is actively lurking atm. Make of that what you want. I don't have the time to type any more tonight, sry.


If you think is nothing wrong with it, then why bother posting it at all? Seems rather pointless, no?

It's how I play d1. I make a big deal out of very minor things to make people talk about things happening in the thread instead of talking about politics/house-quests or whatever else. The intention is to get some reactions from people and have a quick start into d1. Some people have to start the discussion somehow and I usually take that as my job on d1.

Means I'm usually a big meanie on d1 and I'm often times stating things that look like nothing to people and they're hardly anything else to me most of the time as well. But I find that a lot better than having a discussion the first 24 hours about some weird plan of someone because people have to commit somewhat the way I'm doing things.

I might add it is currently working but now I'm really sleeping


So your plan for catching scum is "post things that aren't important, because then people will talk about unimportant things and that will give me reads"


What do you think of him OMGUSing this. His defenses have been kind of shitty IMO and then when someone says they want to generate discussion he is surprised by it? Any discussion that isn't the normal policy lynch crap is good discussion. Look at what we've got already, people soft defending, people criticising and people discussing. Why is he attacking for this?
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 16 2013 23:35 GMT
#439
a lot of soft accusations being thrown at Skanjab1s

and dont we always have to lynch the self aware miller or is that some other weird role?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 16 2013 23:36 GMT
#440
Mocsta you have a big target on your head now. Please start with the skanj thing, and then moclogic some scum into submission.
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