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On October 22 2013 13:37 Mocsta wrote:
What does crab have to do with anything.
That's toad et.
This is bullshit now. U immediately suspected stutters of being scum regardless of being masoned with lastargument. And now self admit to doing nothing to develop this read. Then u end up voting him....
Ok. Sno agreed that stutters isn't instant town, but he's done more in the thread to develop his read than u.
Err, I don't see what you aren't getting. Crabb and Goyle are two different alignments, but flavourwise they are bestbuds. Thats why I thought that there was a possibility that Padma and Pavarti were two different alignments. It had nothing to do with my read on Stutters, it had to do with setup speculation. There was no point in pursuing it because there is no way to know if the setup speculation is correct or not.
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On October 22 2013 13:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote:I have a problem. Why is Grackaroni saying to multiple people that they "tried to move the lynch from yamato/CR to Stutters"? That's a fucking misrepresentation. Although this is weird: Show nested quote +(2) Again, your interpretation is that I "tried to move the lynch off" of yamato, when I actually just preferred to lynch stutters. (bad move, yes.) I was fine with either lynch and was having trouble deciding between them. Why was this a bad move? Do you think it's the absolute trith CR is scum? In case he is not, why was it a mistake to lynch Stutters over him? -rayn
I've got a feeling that you have many problems.
he's already said he's confident CR is scum.
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On October 22 2013 13:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote:I have a problem. Why is Grackaroni saying to multiple people that they "tried to move the lynch from yamato/CR to Stutters"? That's a fucking misrepresentation. Although this is weird: Show nested quote +(2) Again, your interpretation is that I "tried to move the lynch off" of yamato, when I actually just preferred to lynch stutters. (bad move, yes.) I was fine with either lynch and was having trouble deciding between them. Why was this a bad move? Do you think it's the absolute trith CR is scum? In case he is not, why was it a mistake to lynch Stutters over him? -rayn
Yeah I think CR is scum, I've had the scumread on yamato for a long time, and with the closeness of the lynch (and the quick vote changes to Stutters) it makes it very likely in my opinion. If he somehow isn't scum, then it was still a mistake in my decision making to lynch Stutters over a dude who I had read as scum for the whole game.
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On October 22 2013 13:37 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 13:26 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 13:15 Grackaroni wrote:On October 22 2013 13:05 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 13:02 Grackaroni wrote:
There is a lot of scum motivation for you to stay out of the thread. If you come in beforehand and say you want to switch to stutters and Yamato is lynched you lose all of the town cred you could have gotten. If you you post beforehand that you still think Yamato is scum and continue to push Yamato then you increase the chance of losing Yamato. The point on me not being in the thread is a matter of perspective, really. You see it as me purposely staying out, whereas it is actually me only finishing reading the thread close to deadline. There is not much that I can say to change your mind on this. What can i say. It's hard for me to believe that you just happened to make a mistake where you vote Stutters with bad reasoning. (CR could be useful) - already contradicted earlier in filter. And that you just happened to show up at the end of the lynch and that your stance on the player you tried to move the lynch off of switches back and forth based on your interpretation of the same information. And when you give your reasoning for Stutters being as strong of a scum read as Yamato it's self-admittedly weak and it's clear you didn't even read through his filter/misinterpreted his posts. (1) The reasoning wasn't CR could be useful, it was that CR looked as though he was going to do something, whereas stutters was doing nothing at all, and showed no sign that he would start doing anything. (2) Again, your interpretation is that I "tried to move the lynch off" of yamato, when I actually just preferred to lynch stutters. (bad move, yes.) I was fine with either lynch and was having trouble deciding between them. (3) My stance on yamato doesn't switch back and forth, I think he is scum, why I stated that he reacted fine to my case I have already explained, although I think it was silly to say that. (4) Yeah, I did not read through Stutters' filter, I didn't have time. The reasoning of Stutter's being as strong a scumread as yamato is self-admittedly weak in hindsight. At the time I did not think that was the case. 1) I don't really see what is different. 2) when you have a strong scumread on somebody the whole game and then switch your mind in the last minute without even reading through stutters' filter just based on the fact that CR might do something then I get the impression you are trying to move the lynch off Yamato. 3) I can't see town act the way you did to that question. If someone asks me what happened to someone I think is scum and I dont want to get sidetracked then I say that I think he is mafia too but I want to focus on Sn0 Man. I don't lie about feeling good about Yamato's responses in order to avoid getting sidetracked.
I like this numbering system
(1) I didn't not vote him because he could have been strong for town or anything, I chose not to vote him because he wasn't being useless. Its not that he could make a nice impact for town, but rather that he would not contribute nothing at all. I can't really explain this any better.
(3) Yeah, I have no idea why I said that, I really can't remember, what I've said are just assumptions. I'm quite baffled to be honest.
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So all of this talk at the moment is based on yamato being skan's no.1 scum read but him 'trying' to switch to stutters right?
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So yeh, you're dying tomorrow. No way a secret vote comes up and then you "mis-time" your vote on stutters. Clearly you wanted to look like you were trying to vote him but saving ray. Why?
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Grack tried to push the same "why are you trying to switch the lynch bla bla" bullshit on me earlier on..
-rayn
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On October 22 2013 13:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Grack tried to push the same "why are you trying to switch the lynch bla bla" bullshit on me earlier on..
-rayn
I did. Because you weren't specifically addressing Yamato but kept pushing forward other lynch options. I even asked you guys why you didn't want to lynch Yamato and nobody answered.
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Actually no, I'm not dying tomorrow. I have already explained the dumb reasoning behind thinking that I just wanted to look as though I was changing my vote, or as though I planned to vote after the deadline:
On October 22 2013 09:42 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 09:29 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually am doing some thoughts on skan and the D2 vote that's making me think he's scum. he claims his hands were too slow, but I'm betting he PLANNED to swap after the deadline and not have his vote count, but got surprised by the secret vote and stutters actually flipped. If stutters were scum I'd say skan is scum 100%, but stutters flipped town so I'm still thinking it through. I'm gonna have some dinner and put together some more complete thoughts on what happened with the D2 lynch. (1) If I planned to swap after deadline, and yam/CR is scum, and the secret vote surprised me, then I'd be knowingly switching off flipped scum and onto town, which would only result in me looking scummy. (2) The secret vote wouldn't have surprised me if it is a scum ability, because I'd know that it was going to happen. (1re2) Last option, if I planned to swap after deadline, and yam/GR is scum, and the secret vote didnt surprise me, then I'd be knowingly switching off scum onto flipped town, which would only result in me looking scummy. Now how would any plan related to me planning to swap votes after deadline be a scum move? Naysayers with yo' naysayin'
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Oh god. What's the point of sacrificing 2 scum when CR is probably gonna die anyways tomorrow if he is scum?
You are seriously saying Skan saved CR and outed himself in the process when it's kinda guaranteed that a player as CR's caliber (no offense) will get lynched tomorrow if he is scum?
-rayn
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I'm saying he misjudged the timing when he submitted the secret vote and tried to hurridly add his vote before deadline.
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On October 22 2013 13:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 13:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Grack tried to push the same "why are you trying to switch the lynch bla bla" bullshit on me earlier on..
-rayn I did. Because you weren't specifically addressing Yamato but kept pushing forward other lynch options. I even asked you guys why you didn't want to lynch Yamato and nobody answered.
That's bullshit. I answered you as soon as you asked me. And your question was "why are you trying to dvert the lynch from yamato". To be specific:
On October 22 2013 04:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:Question: What is with the miscommunication between you and Koshi. On October 22 2013 01:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 22 2013 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
Pandain buddying holy makes me lean even less towards holy can someone else confirm this is what happened Last game Pandain claimed scum with his scumbuddy at the start of the game. He can hard buddy or hard distance from his scumbuddies. What he says about someone does not tell anything about their alignment, only Pandain's. That being said i think HF is town. -rayn On October 22 2013 03:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 22 2013 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:On October 22 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 22 2013 03:15 Cephiro wrote:
Why aren't there more votes on Hope?
If I understood correctly, he claims his night 1 action was to put a cop check potion on Toad, and he got no results since toad died and was unable to chug the potion. (Irrelevant anyway due to the flip.)
Does anyone else see this as incredibly coincidental if we had a tracker that was aware of his night actions? I smell an easy lie here. More likely he just went and shot or killed Toad. Yo that aint wat happened. He's making syllo invincible for a day as a check of his claim. If he's lying then we lynch him. For today, I'm letting him slide. Lynching CR seems good to me. Yeah i mean if we plan to have hope and I use our powers, then either a) we've averted some mislynches or b) caught scum when hope or fails to save syllo. I don't think lynching either of us is a good move today (but then again i am a biased source!) CR would basically be a policy lynch on a lurking replacement ._. not sure if I want to encourage that idea ._. how scummy was yamato before he replaced out? Please read Holyflare. I want to lynch him. Or we. As in rayn and I. Raynoshi also seems to me to be trying hard to push the lynch away from Yamato while saying they aren't opposed to lynching him. I dunno. I don't think Holyflare is scum. Apparently Koshi thinks so. We have not discussed our townreads a lot. We are not pushing CR lynch away. Stutters is a better target imo. -rayn[/y]
Same bullshit.
[i]-rayn
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On October 22 2013 13:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Oh god. What's the point of sacrificing 2 scum when CR is probably gonna die anyways tomorrow if he is scum?
You are seriously saying Skan saved CR and outed himself in the process when it's kinda guaranteed that a player as CR's caliber (no offense) will get lynched tomorrow if he is scum?
-rayn
I don't know what scum abilities each player has. Scum is in a shit position. Town is confirming itself just through roles and pretty soon other people will be ruled out from posts. scum can't afford losing anyone else at this point.
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Well, at least you get points for trying, Holyflare.
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skan didnt save CR anyways his vote happened post deadline. plus all this talk about CR scum with skan is bad because it's drawing associative tells between unflipped players.
I don't buy that skan just happened yo catch up as the deadline hit though. like its not like you can't tell the time until you've read the thread. tl has clocks everywhere
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On October 22 2013 13:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 13:55 Grackaroni wrote:On October 22 2013 13:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Grack tried to push the same "why are you trying to switch the lynch bla bla" bullshit on me earlier on..
-rayn I did. Because you weren't specifically addressing Yamato but kept pushing forward other lynch options. I even asked you guys why you didn't want to lynch Yamato and nobody answered. That's bullshit. I answered you as soon as you asked me. And your question was "why are you trying to dvert the lynch from yamato". To be specific: Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 04:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 22 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:Question: What is with the miscommunication between you and Koshi. On October 22 2013 01:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 22 2013 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
Pandain buddying holy makes me lean even less towards holy can someone else confirm this is what happened Last game Pandain claimed scum with his scumbuddy at the start of the game. He can hard buddy or hard distance from his scumbuddies. What he says about someone does not tell anything about their alignment, only Pandain's. That being said i think HF is town. -rayn On October 22 2013 03:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 22 2013 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:On October 22 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 22 2013 03:15 Cephiro wrote:
Why aren't there more votes on Hope?
If I understood correctly, he claims his night 1 action was to put a cop check potion on Toad, and he got no results since toad died and was unable to chug the potion. (Irrelevant anyway due to the flip.)
Does anyone else see this as incredibly coincidental if we had a tracker that was aware of his night actions? I smell an easy lie here. More likely he just went and shot or killed Toad. Yo that aint wat happened. He's making syllo invincible for a day as a check of his claim. If he's lying then we lynch him. For today, I'm letting him slide. Lynching CR seems good to me. Yeah i mean if we plan to have hope and I use our powers, then either a) we've averted some mislynches or b) caught scum when hope or fails to save syllo. I don't think lynching either of us is a good move today (but then again i am a biased source!) CR would basically be a policy lynch on a lurking replacement ._. not sure if I want to encourage that idea ._. how scummy was yamato before he replaced out? Please read Holyflare. I want to lynch him. Or we. As in rayn and I. Raynoshi also seems to me to be trying hard to push the lynch away from Yamato while saying they aren't opposed to lynching him. I dunno. I don't think Holyflare is scum. Apparently Koshi thinks so. We have not discussed our townreads a lot. We are not pushing CR lynch away. Stutters is a better target imo. -rayn[/y] Same bullshit. [i]-rayn
Not bullshit. I asked earlier
On October 22 2013 03:31 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 03:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 22 2013 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 22 2013 03:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 22 2013 03:27 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 22 2013 03:25 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 22 2013 03:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well, I'm treating hopeless coming thru as a red check on holyflare more or less, so I'm willing to wait on that lynch till tomorrow koshi. Unless I am reading wrong he already used his copcheck on Toad. ? He is gonna make syllo invincible for tomorrow. I'm calling that a green check on him. If it happens. How do we know he is invincible? syllo could post and confirmed he has received the potion Ohyeah. Smart. Damnit. How can I not find a target to lynch. You don't want to kill Yamato?
you didn't respond. Then I said that. How about you quit raging about being accused and read through Skanjab1s' posts and comment.
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On October 22 2013 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 13:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Oh god. What's the point of sacrificing 2 scum when CR is probably gonna die anyways tomorrow if he is scum?
You are seriously saying Skan saved CR and outed himself in the process when it's kinda guaranteed that a player as CR's caliber (no offense) will get lynched tomorrow if he is scum?
-rayn I don't know what scum abilities each player has. Scum is in a shit position. Town is confirming itself just through roles and pretty soon other people will be ruled out from posts. scum can't afford losing anyone else at this point.
Did you even read my post? Do you think it's better for Skan to look better in comparsion to out himself by saving CR, who if scum, will get lynched tomorrow 100%?
-rayn
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Then who the fuck has a secret vote?!
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