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I proclaim this page the hype page ![[image loading]](http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/805/805601_300.jpg) | ||
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You're such a downer, marv. | ||
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Holyflare town, sloosh town (despite opening post making me tilt my head) Risen is bleh, have to wait for him to have a scumread and have him explain it to see what colour his blood is. Oats..... his OMGUS on BH looks pretty bad. But then again oats tends to look pretty bad early as town. Did he, as scum, crack under the pressure of a single vote by BH? I dunno, sounds doubtful. I liked his pressure on holyflare, because an opening post proclaiming newb should always be pressured. But sloosh came out looking town and oats hasn't retracted his vote yet, so let's see what he thinks when he's back. I'm not convinced, anyway. On October 02 2013 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote: This feels so much like Mocsta in Newbie 47 or whatever. Oats could you explain this? | ||
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On October 02 2013 15:10 Blazinghand wrote: Seriously though if the reason I've given for lynching him are normal oats behavior then that's like a policy lynch reason right there. We should do it, it would be awesome. I know you like your game theory, and technically we have a 2/7 chance (since doc will claim), but the information we get off of people agreeing to a random lynch isn't that telling I don't think. Rather just spark discussion as usual and see what happens. Despite,(according to database numbers) a random lynch being slightly more effective, if it hits town it probably gets less information than if there are a couple of lynch candidates and they are discussed and votes are moved around. | ||
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On October 02 2013 15:20 Blazinghand wrote: That's a reasonable thing to say. That being said, the RNG led (and in general it seems, leads) to a good discussion. I don't think things would have played out as they did unless I RNGed this game, and I'm glad I did. That's fine and I think we have some information that came out of it rather than lurker lynch policy talk which is a dead horse. But do you plan on hanging on to your rng lynch today unless someone becomes obvious scum? Or do you feel that oats is no longer a random lynch now and you think he's most likely to flip scum at this time, and if that changes you'll change your vote? | ||
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But did you not find it odd that I gave him a townread earlier? | ||
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On October 02 2013 18:34 marvellosity wrote: What info in particular do you think was gained? Just the usual really. I didn't mean anything in particular but it >felt< that the starting hours were more productive than usual due to BH's rng lynch suggestion. I can't really quantify it. What do you think of oats? | ||
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On October 02 2013 19:17 Dirkzor wrote: And i would like your thought on me instead of "Oh i'll take that ##Vote" I could quote marvs posts if you'd like but they're right there. #Sheeple You spend 4 paragraphs on a null read yet your scumread is hardly explained. Saying HF has done nothing means you haven't read the thread carefully enough. Reading him as most likely to be scum is bleh. | ||
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Marv, though I have no intention of moving my vote anytime soon, dirk did ask a decent question. Why was his vote on Holyflare "opportunistic"? As opposed to just, you know, scummy. | ||
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On October 02 2013 21:23 marvellosity wrote: Holyflare had come under a certain amount of flak this game, and he is a newbie. As such it's a pretty convenient place to park your vote. An easy vote. He did kinda but it all went away, by the time dirk entered the thread three people had called him town. | ||
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While I agree the post is scummy, and his reasoning when pushed by you was scummy, I wouldn't call it opportunistic. Anyway I guess it's not a big deal. I dunno where dirk ran off to but would be nice if he came into the thread. | ||
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Did you know that despite my amazing english, I can't understand a word people in manchester are saying? | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:38 Dirkzor wrote: Maybe I didn't value that vote so highly. Maybe I did just want to stir up things to see what fell out. Man... Could you explain your townread on oats better? You seemed to go "despite this list of things I just mentioned I still think he's town because reasons", namely that he cares... Could you point out some examples? | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote: I read/detunneled. On October 02 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Why am I scummy clarity? Contradiction. | ||
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On October 02 2013 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote: DO YOU? Man talk to me Clarity, Why isnt your vote on a dude and why arent you doing anything about it? Really oats, read the game... | ||
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On October 02 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause its hard to see tiny little Vote FOR DUDES. Marv you scum? Do you think he is? | ||
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On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Ok so another reason why I think HF is town. If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town. If marv is town, marv is probably right. So both ways, HF is town I think. I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. To be expected this early on, no? I think you're either under or overestimating marv's scumgame if you think he can't call his scumpartner town. Same goes for town marv being right/wrong about HF On October 03 2013 00:02 slOosh wrote: Scum marv would call scumbuddy HF scum? Whatsup sloosh, any thoughts on stuffs? | ||
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On October 03 2013 00:16 slOosh wrote: I still think Risen is lame, but he hasn't posted yet. As for Dirkzor ... I'm leaning town on him. The thing reads like he came into thread while still developing thoughts, got called out and is all frazzled out for it. I disagree that voting HF is the easy way to go, because at the time three people (me then BH then clarity) had given town reads on him. Scum willingly voting HF after seeing three people give town reads means that they are ready to engage attention. So I don't think it was an easy "park my vote move along". Being frazzled is exclusively a townie characteristic? Yes his vote draws attention to him but he clearly did not read the thread in enough detail to provide good reasons for his vote, which means he possibly did not read closely enough to understand thread sentiment about HF either. | ||
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Though honestly if you were wrong I'd sheep you as scum so, meh. | ||
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Anyway, want to hear more from sloosh and this townread of his. | ||
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Come on townies, shine bright. | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:01 slOosh wrote: I never said it was, I'm saying that is how I'm reading it. Frazzled town rather than frazzled scum. I agree with you that he did not read the thread in detail. I'm not arguing against that. I'm saying that both town and scum can do that and based on his general tone / manner regarding how he deals with marv's pressure makes me lean town on him. Let's push that point: what parts of his followup look more scummy than how a town in his situation would behave? His vote on HF had faulty reasoning. Once it gets asked of him to point out HF's "sheeping of BH and his lack of contributions" he backtracks, because he has to, as either alignment. I really would like you to specify what exactly gives you your townread. In your eyes, how would a scum HF react differently than how he has reacted? Or if you prefer, what is it he's done that you think he wouldn't do as scum? | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i am not gonna vote for you. Does anyone have a clue what the hell is BH doing? Read the thread and find out, do not post until you're caught up. Thanks. | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am caught up, i am not posting if i am not caught up. Hey Blazinghand. Why exactly are you voting for Oats? I have read like 20 different reasoning for your vote and every time it's different. Like at least three time you say "it's not RNG", then "and also RNG", then "not RNG". I have a hard time figuring out why do you exactly think Oats is scum. Actually it goes: 1) Let's vote whoever gets rng'd by my post number! 2) it's oats, let's lynch him, my idea is good because X 3) oh look his reaction to my random lynch on him makes him look scummy to me, so we should lynch him It's really not that hard to follow. | ||
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That's my interpretation anyway. He has contributed quite a bit, I don't have a solid read on him but I think he's a poor lynch today. I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on oats, and please comment on dirk as well. | ||
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On October 03 2013 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno, maybe it's just BH making him mad. He's kinda... over-analyzing stuff in non-Oats' manner. I'll look into Dirkzor, gimme a sec. No seriously. Details would be nice. What is analyzing stuff in an "oats manner" and how is it different from this game? Quote the post where he is over analyzing. | ||
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At the point of this post what has sloosh done in thread to give you this feeling? My (faulty, as I admitted not much later) townread on sloosh came from him calling holyflare town and saying he liked risen the least. At this point when I was reading I agreed with this assessment. It was dumb thinking and the reason I was being dumb was because it was early. What is this shit about oats? You liked his pressure where he didn't like the newb claim from HF? I did the same exact thing as him before him. For him it's bad and town, for me it's hold on lets wait. This looks like a subtle push on me you're hoping will gain traction. You haven't committed to anything and can fit things to whatever you want at a later point in time. Yes. He's rewording the 2/7 thing and acting like he's contributing, he's saying that a random lynch is slightly more effective and at the same time saying he'd rather not use something he views as more effective. Why the contradiction within your own post? I didn't reword anything, I asked BH a question because (as rayn pointed out just now) BH was being unclear as to why his vote was on oats. It was rng then it was reasons then it was rng again. A lot of words to say "Are you sticking to your RNG vote or will you vote the person you think is most scummy?" Is that even a real question? Yes. Where did this even come up? Why do you feel the need to defend yourself against something no one has brought up.. Why are you looking at your filter and trying to find things that are potentially scummy then preemptively defending yourself? Why am I the only one who sees this? Didn't look at my filter, looked at his. So you read what he wrote, didn't feel anything from it, marv came in with a vote, you were suspicious of it, and then when he gave an extremely simple explanation of his vote you were all about it? Ok. Why didn't you stick to your previous feeling? dirk makes a post. I don't really like the post. marv drops a vote, then reads the post. This seems weird to me so I inquire (exactly the thing you say I didn't notice) and marv's reply is bleh, That said, his reasoning and his (and dirks) post that followed made me agree with the vote so I followed. Everything else you said is just replying to my posts. You are skewing (knowingly or unknowingly I don't know) my posts to make them appear scummy. Why is that? On October 03 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what do people think about Risen's post. I'm kinda sure he is town. It does kind of have that game of thrones paranoia feel to it. | ||
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On October 03 2013 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what Clarity. why did you clarify BH's actions to me if you are not sure what he was doing? I asked him what he was doing and then he answered.... and then I knew. Man I'm quickly becoming less hyped. | ||
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On October 03 2013 04:26 marvellosity wrote: Clarity, maybe you were derping with the townread on slOosh, but what caused you to have it anyway? There must have been reasoning behind it. Yeah, he was the first to call HF town which seemed like a weird thing for scum to do at the time. Basically the two observations standing out to me (HF and risen) is what he pointed out, and my brain was like "welp, town" | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:31 marvellosity wrote: Btw, Risen, your case on Clarity is riddled with confirmation bias. Any good points you may have had (I picked up on the slOosh townread thing) are kinda lost in between all the points that clearly aren't actually points. Can you explain this? As in, it's just something you noticed or it's something you found scummy? | ||
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I wish more stuff happened. Bedtime now though | ||
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On October 03 2013 15:46 Dirkzor wrote: I don't believe I framed it to be anything other then a feel read. I wrote how I felt about him. Him posting rubbish and following BH. After re-reading to stand up for my belief I got another feeling because there really wasn't any evidence.. And people have been noticing how I made 2 quotes of Oats and then voted HF with only a few lines attached. That was because BH said oats was scummy and I wanted to weigh in on that. The post ended up going another way though. This is an outright lie. On October 02 2013 18:38 Dirkzor wrote: I believe BH's rng post was meant to be what it turned out to be. Discussion starter. It worked. Great. Now lets move on and find scum. Shit I don't even know what to write... Been so looong. Oats seem either weird, confused or scummy. Not sure which yet. The first sentence still doesnt make sense to me after reading it 5 times (Hungover so might be my fault). it also baffles me that he seems so sure about who to lynch so early. There are other examples: This whole posts is nonsense aswell. But through all this I somewhat still think he is town... hmm... HF's rambling about meta and being weak is rubbish. Him jumping the rng wagon, as pointed out by Risen, without any good reason is rubbish. After this, despite that BH think he have been posting better, he havent really done anything. He has sheeping BH and using BH arguments to push oats. ##Vote Holyflare Your case says he has not contributed at all and sheeping. On October 02 2013 19:10 Dirkzor wrote: Yes he have been posting, but when I read it I don't really see any meat. Might just be me but that's how I see it. Some of his posts seems to be just for the sake of posting. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 12:52 Holyflare wrote: Do you even read what is posted? On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote: Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? When I read through his filter it feels clinicly clean. Don't know how to describe it really... it like trying to get rotten wood look fresh on the surface. When pressured you come up with a variation of "his posts feel constructed" Why did you switch from reasons to "feel"? It's because your original reason got debunked by marv and you were forced to backtrack. On October 02 2013 20:11 Dirkzor wrote: Thank you. Ok. So I went back to find evidence that HF have been sheeping BH. Not much was found... Only little thing was this (and it's not really worth noting in the sheeping department): Other then that HF have been more original then I said he had been. Hmm.. That clashes with my previous belief. After re reading I'm also leaning more scum on oats. But I'm not sure it is entirely because of re-reading or just because I now think HF looks less scum. The problem with oats is that he have done some wierd shit as I pointed out earlier. But the feel I get when reading his filter is of someone who cares... After that you kind of retract your read on HF, but instead of saying that you immediately go back to your old faithful "well, oats could be scum or town". The same thing you On October 02 2013 22:00 Dirkzor wrote: Truth is important. I was wrong I admit that. But I don't always go back and re-read just to be sure right before posting. I read the thread and was I got from it was that HF had sheeped BH so i wrote that. That turned out to be wrong after more careful scrutiny. Worse then that it puts me back as for as reads go. I don't understand why he is an easy place to put my vote. It would have been so much easier just to vote rayn if I wanted to do that. You emphasize here that your HF read is now gone. On October 02 2013 22:45 Dirkzor wrote: I was thinking about voting myself as a placeholder. After my HF fuckup I don't really have a clear read so I decided just to let it stay put... If I'm scum I wouldn't draw that much attention to myself. Meh... After all that you go "welp, I guess I have no reads." tl;dr *Makes a case based on fiction *Backtracks when called out and says it's a feel read *THEN he retracts the read entirely because his reasons didn't hold up, DESPITE it being a feel read *Claims he has never "framed it as anything but a feel read" *Has not given analysis on anyone other than Oats or HF. Everyone else has basically been ignored, with the exception of a sentence or two. | ||
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On October 03 2013 16:01 Blazinghand wrote: Sounds good! Just to reiterate, contrast his filter this game with his play in Sicilian: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&user=raynpelikoneet&view=all he had posts like this (link) and like this (link) or this (link) early in the game. I'm talking serious cases, calling people out, pushing, following up, convincing other players of his thoughts. And he HAD thoughts. Rayn as town forms reads and pushes them. He follows through. He leads. Where is that rayn this game? no-where. This is scum rayn, pure and simple. He's been around, he's had a lot of time, and he's given us squat. he normally delivers far more with far less. Lynch him. lynch him hard. Blazing, consider aperture 2 and rayn's play in it. I realize it's a giant themed game but he was much less involved in everything as well there, and town. You're right though, rayn has not contributed, and it would be nice if he did. But saying that his change (similar to aperture 2) is despite not being his scum meta can only be scum aligned is a stretch. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that rayn is in fact the easy target now. After he showed up and did jack-shit but act confused and having no direction. | ||
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On October 03 2013 09:58 slOosh wrote: There's nothing too compelling in the case on Clarity. There's a potentially good point in how clarity retracted his townread of me, but given clarity's explanation and the fact that he actually draws attention to it is a plus for him. He threw out his big case, and then just sits on it. There's no trying to convince people he is right, or even bring some attention to it, then he goes into sulking mode (immune to lynch? really?) without either trying to boil down his case into succinct points, or moving on to other stuff cause maybe he is wrong and it is a good time to regroup. Seems like pretense of contribution to me. Your current evaluation of Risen? Also clarity, I can see you angling for my lynch or something. Anything you want to ask me directly? Not really, just keep doing it is whatever it is you're doing. Which is voting me apparently. With your reasoning being that I "waffled" on bh. That was my entry post btw, and bh was basically town leader when I arrived, so sharing some thoughts on him seemed cool. I tend to do this thing you know, when I've entered the thread and the games been underway already, I give my opinion on the things that have happened so far. Yes, I came to the conclusion "lol null" on BH, but I also came to the conclusion that I don't wanna lynch him today. On October 03 2013 12:55 Blazinghand wrote: he's been on my dick. just finished ocelot barbery, time to look at clarity dirk and sloosh You keep saying this but what it was is: you were around to talk to | ||
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On October 03 2013 16:26 Dirkzor wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 16:06 Clarity_nl wrote: This is an outright lie. Your case says he has not contributed at all and sheeping. When pressured you come up with a variation of "his posts feel constructed" Why did you switch from reasons to "feel"? It's because your original reason got debunked by marv and you were forced to backtrack. After that you kind of retract your read on HF, but instead of saying that you immediately go back to your old faithful "well, oats could be scum or town". The same thing you You emphasize here that your HF read is now gone. After all that you go "welp, I guess I have no reads." tl;dr *Makes a case based on fiction *Backtracks when called out and says it's a feel read *THEN he retracts the read entirely because his reasons didn't hold up, DESPITE it being a feel read *Claims he has never "framed it as anything but a feel read" *Has not given analysis on anyone other than Oats or HF. Everyone else has basically been ignored, with the exception of a sentence or two. You're entire case revolves around me changes my opinion... I don't see that as a problem to be honest. my tl:dr version: *makes a case based on first read through and the feeling i got* *when called out re-read to find evidence, explain and convince* *doesn't find evidence* *Can see reasons for being wrong by people the calling him out* *changes his veiw based on this* I never said I had no read. Neither have I stated that I now think HF is town. Some of the things that I thought was scummy about him have just changed and thus I didn't have a clear read I could target. Your vote is still on him btw. I realize you made the post about voting yourself as placeholder. You are aware you can simply unvote? Who have you looked at recently other than HF/Oats and did you develop a read out of looking at them? | ||
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On October 03 2013 16:52 Dirkzor wrote: I recently looked into sloosh (and found a gem I think). I am waiting for him to answer... Also in Rayn after BH asked and his case. But you would know if you read the thread as you so kindly advocated earlier that people do before asking questions... I know my vote is on him. So? Okay so when you say "some of the things that made me think HF is scum have been proven wrong" you're saying there are still things that make you confident in your read? Could you please explain why you think HF is scum, or is it still purely based on feel? | ||
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On October 03 2013 17:06 Dirkzor wrote: I don't think he is a good lynch if that's what you are asking... BUT YOU'RE VOTING HIM Ugh... okay. Who do you think is a good lynch? | ||
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I dunno about Risen. Confirmation bias cases is kind of what he does as town. I haven't seen him play scum though. His "woe is me, does thou not listen to reason?" and then leaving.... I can see that coming from town Risen OR scum Risen. Because yes, the last couple of games risen goes for a weird target and ends up being talked down to because of it. Yes, he decided I was scum and then made a case, but townies do that too. I'm not comfortable lynching him today. I could lynch rayn I guess but that would basically be a policy lynch, and I think after game of thrones I have learned my lesson and can figure him out in later cycles. Sloosh, are you around? I'd like you to explain how you feel good about my lynch? Also explain how my "waffle" on BH is scummy, please. | ||
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On October 03 2013 17:44 Clarity_nl wrote: marv, is dirk lynchbait? He's starting to feel like it Sloosh was right at the very least about him being consistent >.< Although mainly joking >.> | ||
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On October 03 2013 18:42 marvellosity wrote: The problem with this whole post is that it lists people you don't want to lynch, but doesn't really offer people you do want to lynch. Well, that's kinda where I'm at. Oats is a mystery wrapped in a conundrum for me, sloosh is probably closest to lynchable for me right now, hence my post asking in questioning him | ||
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His early townread on dirk still confuses me. Only just now after he's still derping with his vote do I begin to believe he's being lynchbait. Like, he got lectured on his vote being important and it should have weight behind it, and then he goes and says the guy hes voting for is not a good lynch. That's not scum play.... probably. | ||
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He made a comment on BH saying that I was on his dick...? | ||
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On October 03 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Well Risen is scum mainly for not explaining his unvote on Holyflare, also his opportunistic push on Clarity after somebody raised concerns. It feels like for me he is going from one target to the next. Like, Hey Holyflare looks scummy lets push him. Then oh man cant lynch, ok Clarity looks ok. Yeah. How is this different from town pushing someone, then realizing they're town, then finding a different target Who expressed concern about me before Risen made his case? | ||
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On October 03 2013 18:56 Oatsmaster wrote: meh I dont get why Dirk looks town to you, marv and clarity. He doesn't, but he's starting to look like >not scum< with the way he's been acting since the pressure got put on. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:11 Oatsmaster wrote: huh ok Risen was the first to say that Clarity was scummy. Not sure how you guys think that it affects my read on him. Has to do with you saying his case on me was opportunistic Because if he's the first one to make a case on me, how is that opportunistic? | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Look at this post by Dirkzor He says that Sloosh made a good post. And somehow twists it into something that is scummy. Why? The post you quoted is about HF btw. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:37 marvellosity wrote: Who's "people"? Check out why I unvoted him, it wasn't that. You and bh I supposed. Although yes, I know that's not why you unvoted him. BH especially, he basically said "because he pointed this out I will not lynch him today" | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:47 Dirkzor wrote: Why was/is sloosh so sure I'm town? I'm having a hard time to figure this out. His reasoning and the way he see my timeline fit rather good with reality, but why did he come to that conclusion when no one else did/have? I know I'm town, but I also know that my first post wasn't stellar... Why was he defending me? Maybe it only looks weird to me since I know my alignment is town, but it looks preemptive if I was lynched. Anyone agree? Seeing as I basically posted this. Yes, I agree. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:51 marvellosity wrote: Yeah it is kinda interesting. Need to give it some thought. also ##Unvote Oats' answers have been reasonably satisfying to me. Well, as satisfying as Oats answers can really be. You need a real man, marv. Call me. Anyway, dirk you should join me on the wagon of justice, in honor of iamp. ##unvote ##vote Sloosh | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's weird, but coming from Risen, that's what he does. What do you find scummy in it? Like, is it more likely to come from scum "oh no, i made a bad case, when people do not comment on it i instantly go emo". Do you think Risen would do that as scum? I think he can do it as either alignment was just curious on your take. It's an easy out for scum that would seem believable because of his recent games. Like, yeah a giant confirmation bias case is what he does and like and it DOES remind me of GoT, I'm definitely not as confdent in risen being town as you seem to be. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:17 Oatsmaster wrote: BH's vote is still on me, which is a good thing for him Like, why do I have to quote this post and ask you what you mean. Why can't you just say what you mean, instead. What do you mean? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i agree that he's not surely town and i would like to see more from him, especially considering what marv said about him being in Noir obs QT and not posting here. I have never seen Risen as scum but his behaviour in this game is imo similar to his towngames i have played with him. I need to look at Aperture where he said (if i remember correcty) that he was trying to help scum so he would win (as 3p). I'm pretty sure he just did nothing at all at any point until he pushed OO (scum) hard when he decided to win with town. He was more of a survivor role though and he didn't have to do anything, scum was already winning. Don't think there's much of a comparison. | ||
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Do you think rayn is scum for not wanting to lynch you? Or are you saying people who push you are town and people who have a townread on you are town? Like... c'mon | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Really? This is wrong. Have you even read his filter from that game? In Aperture Risen is actually really coherant and explains himself very well. I think this is something you should know as you were scum and you guys decided to even shoot him for some reason. Why did you shoot him in Aperture? This really isn't that interesting nor relevant. We shot risen after his claim. He did nothing d1 and d2 because scum were already winning. Then he tried to lynch scum and succeeded. There is no comparison you could make to a risen scumgame and his game in aperture. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity, why exactly is your read on BH what it is? What are the good things he has done, especially early on in this game? My read on BH this game so far has been "I dunno but he's contributing" His activity and involvement (especially in the early hours of this cycle) gives me a slight town lean on him but it's hardly anything. There are far far better lynches, though. Now excuse me while I drown in Holyflare's post | ||
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I don't understand this whole rayn/holyflare thing. rayn, hasn't holyflare voted for sloosh, who you described as scummy? | ||
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On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote: rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because 1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit 2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted? That's the meat of it, right? He never calls oats' detunnel bad though. He quoted that post because it showed that oats was sheeping you, which he thought was a crock of shit because he called you null. @rayn Yes, he ignores oats unvoting him. Then later he says he liked it. Please explain what is scummy | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:02 Holyflare wrote: Now, if you can't get your head around that I'd REALLY like to discuss actual people who may be scum!? Do you have a read on rayn after this push on you? | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:55 marvellosity wrote: You gonna stop being peripheral, babe? I'm not sure what that word means in this context. But I was typing up why I didn't like a rayn lynch and having issues and then saw your post. I'm quite happy with the sloosh lynch, the holyflare/rayn thing was a bit of a drag and am now awaiting blazing's opinion on sloosh. I dunno why suddenly now people are gunning for dirk but I've talked myself into not lynching him today. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:16 Blazinghand wrote: I guess I'm happier with this new more active Rayn and would be okay letting him live for a day since we need to get together into a majority in the next ~8 hours or we no-lynch. I can't really justify lynching him, even if he's pretty damn scummy, over Oats when I'll be able to get a more solid read on Rayn over time (if he's scum he'll screw up). Then again, Oats doesn't seem to be happening either. fack. Could you condense your read on oats for us? Rather than going "welp my lynch aint happening, bummer" | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:25 Blazinghand wrote: In any case, a sloosh lynch is a lynch for the same reason I thought rayne was a good lynch. Sloosh has been effectively inactive. Taking a look at his catch-22 filter, though, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&user=slOosh&view=all he's clearly capable of this play as town. Though, that time, he questions DP and pushes other people for info before dropping his (without case) vote. OK, so I take it back. Sloosh lynch is lynching sloosh for being sloosh imo That leaves who for your choice of lynch? Risen? | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i don't like BH at all.. I do, actually. All his recent posts produce a feeling of "forming an opinion as I'm writing" which is hard to fake. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:43 Blazinghand wrote: also where the hell has risen been anyways The million dollar question. According to marv he was around last night in some obs qt though. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so, i need to decide my vote now. I prefer Dirkzor. Clarity you are bad or scum. I guess my other options are Risen and Sloosh? If i should switch marv tell me now who to switch on. I trust you the most. I don't wanna lynch Risen, i don't wanna lynch Sloosh either.. because they have not been here, and i can't tell what they are gonna say when they come back (if they do). I don't accept Oats or marv as lynch. Which one is it? What exactly about my play do you think is bad? Solely my not-scum read on dirk? | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine i am sticking with my vote. Fuck you too BH. You sure showed him. | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i do not think Sloosh is necessarily mafia. I do not think Risen is mafia. I think Dirkzor is mafia. I hope i am gonna be back before the deadline. cya fuckers! Erm. Like, is this rage? Because it doesn't look or feel like rage... Constructed post....? Anyone have any thoughts? This just doesn't feel right. | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:08 Blazinghand wrote: There is literally no possible situation in which my vote goes on sloosh A bit extreme? Can you point out exactly what makes you so unwilling? | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Well I assume he is gonna sheep marv, like I did and like clarity did so theres that. Can you expand on the part where sloosh knows too much HF? That's lame, I was on sloosh before marv Not that I'm keeping track or anything.. I can answer that btw. His townread on dirk came at a point where he simply did not look townie in the slightest, but he had a "feel" that he was town. | ||
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Yes I got that from the "not voting him under any circumstance" but why? | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Everyone that wants to answer. What the fuck BH, Im saying that sloosh flips scum. Is Dirk scummier or townier because sloosh defended him? Its totally legitimate speculation It's kind of useless right now though, right? Or are you going somewhere with this? | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok marv, so clearly you want to discuss this. Since Dirkzor cant be your scumbuddy, who is the most likely player in your interactions with him to be scum buddies with you? Like you act a certain way towards your scumbuddy right? So which person is your scumbuddy if you were scum marv? THAT IS WHAT YOU TOOK AWAY FROM THIS? | ||
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In chronological order. Oats: Also how Marv is unwilling to put his vote on Dirkzor is how I imagine scum marv would avoid lynching a teammate but still have him be scummy. marv: that's dumb, if I were scum I wouldn't have pushed dirk so hard Oats: GARBLE GARBLE HOW CAN IT BE DUMB WHEN IT CANNOT EXIST RAWR I CLEVER marv: regardless of my alignment your point is dumb Oats: clearly you want to talk about this marv: I do not oats: GE;LREGPOWEVCWEPOVWGEPH sleep deprivation GL;EWGEOPBVEBVOEIBE | ||
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On October 04 2013 03:31 Holyflare wrote: Why not contribute instead of pointing that out? | ||
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Like this brimming with confidence thing doesn't sit right with me. | ||
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I have to make this case and then I'm leaving again. Like, it's been an hour. Surely if knew your case was going to convince everyone you would know what was going to be in it =/ | ||
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On October 04 2013 05:33 slOosh wrote: Damn 20 pages since I've been gone. K, from what I've skimmed so far people don't like that I somehow switched onto clarity? That's what I said. Nothing that sticks out too much for me in Risen's case. If I see a weak case, then I'll call it weak. Doesn't matter what kinds of reads I have on Risen / clarity, a case's robustness is independent of that. The quotes I bring up are not in Risen's case. There's no contradiction here, just a failure (by readers) to consider context. Now why I find problem with this wiffle waffle, is that clarity doesn't have a good read on BH (and spends lots of words explaning how he isn't sure), but finds it pertinent to speak on behalf of BH to rayn. How does this pursue a better read on BH? Why would you speak up for someone who you want a better read of? So... that makes you feel good about your vote on me? The fact that the guy I don't really have a read on, who I don't want to lynch today, is not being pursued by me? | ||
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On October 04 2013 05:44 slOosh wrote: You aren't just waiting on the sidelines to see how he will act given more time. You spoke on his behalf instead of letting him being questioned. This being someone you would actually want a better read on. Why? Because I knew the answer to rayn's question. Because I asked blazing the same question. On October 04 2013 05:44 marvellosity wrote: I could take anyone's filter in the game (probably including my own) and make some ridiculous narrative out of it. It's just awful. =/ he's wearing his pants on his head, does that mean he's scum? | ||
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Probably because this is the second person you've voted on that you think is potentially bussing their team mate without voting sloosh. Are you bouncing around everyone BUT sloosh because he's your team mate? @marv I assume you're referring to this. Doesn't really seem like he's convinced on sloosh to the point that he drops his read on me. I really don't know wtf to think about his case though. He got lectured by you last case, where he just quoted my filter, now he's doing the exact same. Does scum really do that, thinking "herp derp they'll think this is bad too" On October 04 2013 06:05 Risen wrote: HE'S WILLING TO VOTE FOR A TOWN READ Actually he just listed his other options of people who might actually get lynched. | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:13 Risen wrote: He says those are the options then says marv take the wheel. What does that mean I dunno, you tell us. | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:16 Risen wrote: No one ever says what's wrong with my cases. Ever. Not even post game, just risen your cases are bad it's ridiculous like wtf am I doing wrong You quoted what seems like every single one of his posts. Then you comment on every post by going "this is filler, this is bad, this is dumb" but you never explain the scum motive. Marv even fucking told you in response to my case to keep it straight to the point. The way you've made both your cases it just looks like you try to find everything that you can twist as scummy, and then you twist it that way. | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:21 Risen wrote: But not quoting the things that are wrong I'm his filter doesn't get the point across. You see all the things I quoted and your problem is that I quote too much not that there's that much to quote? 80% of your case isn't you pointing out scummy stuff. 20% is stuff that might be because rayn is scum but could be because he's town. If 80% of rayn's filter was scummy everyone would have voted him by now. We don't need your genius for that. | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:34 slOosh wrote: I think it was alright at the time. Don't hold the opinion right now give how many intertwining you've been doing with marv. What? | ||
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Sloosh, please some bullet points as to why you thought I was scum? And what has changed since? | ||
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And now the "I can't stop this wagon" Like, has he tried? He said he wouldnt vote for sloosh a bunch, but he hasn't tried explaining his townread. Pretty sure I even asked him much earlier. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:25 Blazinghand wrote: In any case, a sloosh lynch is a lynch for the same reason I thought rayne was a good lynch. Sloosh has been effectively inactive. Taking a look at his catch-22 filter, though, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&user=slOosh&view=all he's clearly capable of this play as town. Though, that time, he questions DP and pushes other people for info before dropping his (without case) vote. OK, so I take it back. Sloosh lynch is lynching sloosh for being sloosh imo I don't follow. He dropped his vote without a case in a different game which makes him not scum? | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:53 Blazinghand wrote: i still dont' understand the clairvoyance argument either. is he scumslipping or what His townread on dirk this game has made no sense, he had it waaaay earlier than anyone else. The reasons for said townread were/are flimsy at best. | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:57 Risen wrote: BH where's your case on rayn? Just read the summary at the end of my case if you don't want to read everything people, and please respond to that I had to rush this a bit because I have to leave, but raynpelikoneet knows too much about me without actually knowing anything about my play, His townread on your though a bit misguided did not seem like too much info. He had a thought process and it made sense to him. Did I agree with it? No. Could I see where it was coming from? Yes. his filter is filled with filler, This is scum indicative? Especially when we're talking about rayn? My filter has filler, marv's has filler. Oats... probably everyone else too. Why is it scummy, is he disrupting the thread? he's willing to lynch a town read, No and he's been dodging a sloosh lynch the entire game in spite of sloosh being a scum read earlier and sloosh leading in votes. Same thing phrased differently. Still no. The thing is, rayn going "marv where should I vote" followed by "have my vote marv, put it wherever" is not the same as voting sloosh willingly. It just looked like frustration because he was going on about dirk and got shut down. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:13 Blazinghand wrote: scummy, especially with his latest shitcase on rayne. probably didn't want it to be read. Looks like it took a lot of effort but honestly a real case is aimed at convincing people, not increasing word count. Not worth lynching today though I guess I'd rather him than me Then explain this better: On October 04 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote: by the way guys BlazingHand moved his vote to rayn because his main scumread who he was voting for (Risen) voted for rayn | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote: i'm pointing out that HOURS AGO, I moved my vote to rayne, and you're only bringing it up now asshat Chronological order as far as I'm aware: You vote rayn Stuff Your vote is elsewhere now Stuff You vote Risen Risen votes rayn You do not change your Risen read, but vote for rayn My memory sucks but that looks about right. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:19 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not saying the chronology was wrong. I'm saying that I moved my vote hours ago and you're only bringing it up now jesus what's wrong with you people 1) I vote for top reads oats/rayne 2) seems like it's not happening. risen time! 3) welp rayne is a better lynch i guess 4) wtf why are people voting me So because it didn't get pointed out immediately it's no longer a valid point, or what? Are you not bothered that Risen, who you read as scum, is voting rayn, who you also read as scum? | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:21 marvellosity wrote: Answer my question. If you have two strong scumreads, do you vote for a 3rd person? If the answer is no, you should be voting BH. Plenty of time, I'm looking. Trying to see how strong BH' reads were. You're getting all up in a frenzy and I'd rather just discuss it instead | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:25 marvellosity wrote: Tell me BH. how do you feel about your townread slOosh's vote on you? How do you feel about your scumread sloosh's vote on BH? | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote: So because it didn't get pointed out immediately it's no longer a valid point, or what? Are you not bothered that Risen, who you read as scum, is voting rayn, who you also read as scum? | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:31 marvellosity wrote: I was so close to pushing a policy lynch through on you veiled as a real lynch. That would have been so good. Damnit. Explain this better please. Also explain why you instantly believe the claim? I suppose the timing is too early to simply draw a counterclaim as scum since he might not get lynched? | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:37 Blazinghand wrote: because he's trying to save face at this point. Because he thinks he can placate me, backtrack, etc. He's gonna pretend he was mad or whatever and being irrational (yeah right) in an attempt to wriggle out of this lynch. It seemed pretty instant to me. I don't think it's a scum reflex to go "yeah you got me I don't think you're scum" when their push claims. | ||
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That said it wasn't like, hard to convince you or anything. If you're both town I hate you guys, though. I'm leaning that way, anyway. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:40 Blazinghand wrote: right, i'm not answering it. I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players It's not an associative tell, though. Look, if sloosh is town then why would marv switch to you? If sloosh is scum, why would he be so easily convinced to lynch sloosh? The questions are about marv, not about sloosh. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I'll be back soon. I'm so sad BH had a claim to save himself Only yourself to blame. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:44 slOosh wrote: Btw guys, I have no idea what's going on right now. Clarity ask me some questions I need traction. There are literally 5 current events that you could comment on, you don't need my help. What you need to do is give reads, with reasons. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:51 slOosh wrote: Like, clarity, do you agree that there is no contradiction in my voting post with me thinking there is not much to note in Risen's case? I don't know what you're talking about here. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:53 slOosh wrote: Am I agreeing to invalid reasons? I still find it strange that BH finds me town somehow, but he claimed doctor. Does that nullify my reasoning? Yeah we're not lynching BH today and if he doesn't die tonight we're probably lynching him tomorrow. | ||
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Your entrance into the game was super lackluster. Your townread on dirk (very early, and you're now saying he's a better lynch than you btw) made no sense, no one else saw what you apparently saw. This is scummy because scum know someone is town and think they can get points by calling someone that is being pressured town. Your vote on me still does not make sense. So I stopped an interaction from happening... I dunno how that translates to you feeling really good about my lynch (and then retracting that cause me and marv have been on the same wavelength, despite that being the case already when you voted me) But I really want you to stop defending and gives reads, every read you have. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote: slOosh is mafia. That post there can't come from town-slOosh. Town slOosh would know the whole argument is bullshit. BH's logic isn't sound, it literally makes zero sense for me to go balls to the wall lynching BH at this point in the game. It couldn't actually make any less sense and yet slOosh is agreeing with it. Nah I kinda get where bh is comign from in sayign if you were scum bh or nolynch is probably better than a sloosh lynch (if sloosh is town). Doesn't make you scum, though. I really dislike how the last hour or so has gone though >.< | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote: I think Blazing is terrible and across multiple games I've said I respect slOosh. Okay, well it looks like he's the lynch so, holding my breath. Hoping sloosh comes out with some reads just in case, though. How easily he voted you and gave reasons that he never expressed before makes me feel a little comfortable though. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:15 Blazinghand wrote: stop wtih the insults please, again. not really gonna convince people or yoru fake anger imo Meh, I believe it. I guess he could still be scum and truthful about the anger, but seems unlikely. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:18 Holyflare wrote: I'm sorry what the actual fuck? You people actually think a doc claim was reasonable at that current time?? Everyone was still on sloosh, it was 4-2 and marv wasn't really gaining any traction. With an hour to go or more why would there ever be a need to claim doc in that circumstance, especially as it's the only power role in the entire game. Yeah, kinda reasonable. In that it makes no sense as scum. Scum would wait a bit longer and see if he actually got lynched. Now, if he's scum, even if he doesn't get lynched today, he'll be confirmed scum soon enough. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:19 Holyflare wrote: somewhat, but other peoples behaviour has been way more suspect than marvs currently Like who? | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:20 marvellosity wrote: Like everyone. Are you mafia Clarity? He was being vague I wanted him to specify >.< | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:27 slOosh wrote: I'm not saying marv is scum b/c of the switch to BH. That's dumb. I'm saying that marv isn't automatically town b/c of it. I fully think scum marv would be capable of such a feat. On October 04 2013 07:50 slOosh wrote: BH's logic is sound. Having a no-lynch isn't of too much consequence, and if scum marv did gain enough traction to hit BH, then he would still have me in the back pocket to push a lynch onto. He says in his filter than he respects my play, but is content with letting me die, despite having very hazy reads on Dirk and Risen. There still isn't any proper case on me, despite "he was maybe right about dirk before anyone else", and "his read on clarity wasn't that good". Erm... | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are idiots. You're brilliant. Sloosh or Risen? | ||
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##Vote Risen Wavering on sloosh, give him another day. I'm not confident in Risen being scum but he's a liability. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:36 Blazinghand wrote: so how willing would you be to lynch marv today Not | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:39 Holyflare wrote: Still don't understand why you wouldn't wait any longer, or wait for traction before claiming. Doesn't make sense. Really holyflare, get over it. If oats or whomever is doc we'll learn soon enough. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:50 Risen wrote: I'm nit scum and my phone is dead. ##unvote ##vote: sloosh I don't know how this happened Vote yourself instead please, thanks. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:52 Blazinghand wrote: Gus, rayn's LITERALLY trying to cause a no-lynch. WE NEED TO STOP HIM. Why would he vote me? HES TRYING TO STOP A LYNCH FROM HAPPENING BY VOTING A CRAP CANDIDATE. COME ON. COME ON. VOTE RAYN. rayn is drunk, basically. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:52 Blazinghand wrote: Rayn's literally trying to avert a lynch by voting me. he's trying to stop us from having ANY TOWN PRODUCED INFO until the end of D2. we have to lynch him. Come on clarity do it for the shenannies. you know it's right No. | ||
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Unless you're scum, then I'm not sorry. ##unvote ##Vote sloosh Consolidate. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:55 Holyflare wrote: Confirmed town is on a rayn lynch, people should follow confirmed town. Confirmed town does not equal right | ||
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Risen was the right lynch. fu BH | ||
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If he flips town I still might not cause of drunk posting bullshit. | ||
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On October 04 2013 09:11 slOosh wrote: I DON"T EVEN!!! I guess drunk rayn is always flipping scum rayn? (catch 22)??? No he's done it twice as town too. I'm actually kinda done playing with rayn. | ||
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You said something dumb and got us the right lynch though, so that's cool. | ||
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On October 04 2013 09:16 marvellosity wrote: also we'd never have lynched rayn if I hadn't pushed BH (yes i know that's silly) seriously though, you got sidetracked? I'm really going to bed now >.< | ||
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On October 04 2013 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: was? fuck off | ||
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On October 04 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote: who cares? it's just funny Am just saying he wasn't drunk so probably nothing that he slipped. | ||
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On October 04 2013 17:39 Blazinghand wrote: Clarity could have easily stood by and obstinantly declared that Sloosh was the wagon of justice and we should swap to his wagon. If he was scum with Sloosh it would be almost certainly the best play. Instead, his final vote just as the deadline approached, averted a no-lynch and ensured a scum-lynch. Sloosh is the only guy on the Rayn wagon who IMO isn't basically confirmed town coming out of that exchange, since as scum one might easily imagine him deciding that the drunken and almost-wagoned rayn was unlikely to survive, and he, Sloosh, was the superior scum, the one who would be more likely to win if allowed to live past D1. I have no evidence for this theory, but honestly Sloosh is the only one who I could even begin to have a scumread on, and last I checked he seemed really townie to me. Ultimately, most of what ANYONE has to say is irrelevant unless it shows one of the following is scum. And ultimately, the only one who can really potentially be scum is Sloosh. Tell me if you have a scumread on any of The Four in light of recent events, and most importantly, why. Especially RE: Sloosh. I want to be able to wake up tomorrow, and read what you think and be able to write some good final thoughts for you guys to work off of. Also if there's a flaw with my "lynch marv, oats and dirk so town auto wins" strategy (besides the possibility of sloosh scum) let me know too. I agree with this. I'm willing to lynch two people before reconsidering sloosh as possible scum. I still don't think marv is scum, though. Oats or dirk, who first? Probably Oats. | ||
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On October 04 2013 19:15 marvellosity wrote: if there's a plan, that sounds lovely. means i can stop thinking about the game. should i read what i missed? I'd rather you continue thinking about the game and solve it within two lynches or else you might get lynched at lylo >.< | ||
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On October 04 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote: also why is slOosh town? Sloosh least certain out of the 5 that voted him. Risen as scum could have easily voted sloosh and gotten away with it. | ||
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On October 04 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Why me clarity I don't remember a single thing you've done this game | ||
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On October 04 2013 20:05 marvellosity wrote: then lynch me, but lynch slOosh after. i don't care. can't believe you'd join in the stupid parade of thinking i'd get a majority on slOosh and then randomly attack BH though. Just me expressing my bitterness, dear. How certain are you of it being sloosh? That deathpost is pretty gud. | ||
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What?! You weren't able to get a read on Rayn because you skimmed page 21~40, but you got a strong enough town read on Clarity in those same pages that it made up for your earlier scum read? He was clearly deliberately trying to be vague about Rayn while trying to defend his scumbuddy. Yeah okay that's pretty damning. | ||
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On October 04 2013 20:15 marvellosity wrote: I really do think Oats is town. The only reason I do is his whole derp argument the second half of day 1 | ||
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On October 04 2013 20:18 marvellosity wrote: it's a really good reason. rayn in a game really recently (where he and oats were town) was 100% convinced that Oats was town after a similar (and not even so derpy) argument I'm gonna take a break and come back to this game and read it in like 8-10 hours with some fresh eyes. Yeah, sloosh is looking like the best lynch to me right now. | ||
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On October 04 2013 20:20 marvellosity wrote: I think it was Desert actually if you wanna check their filters out Yeah I read desert and I do remember rayn fakeclaiming mason to save him, lol. | ||
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On October 04 2013 20:44 marvellosity wrote: naw, i'm done with that it'll be amusing after the game when he realises i actually felt strongly enough to go against all my playtowin principles to try to lynch him though because what he said is essentially right, i have an immense will-to-win so i never do shit like that "amusing" | ||
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On October 04 2013 22:29 marvellosity wrote: If mafia are in the likely-lynch list I guess. If they're outside the list then town is in some trouble :p Yeah that's fair | ||
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On October 04 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote: The worst thing about Risen is that he swapped to sloosh off rayn at the end of the day before swapping back to rayn again. Don't know how much it means though. Did rayn react to Risen's case at all, or was he absent by then? he was absent. Oats you keep doing this thing where you just come into the thread and parrot whatever is being said at the time =/ | ||
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Nothing, really. That was the end of my thought process. | ||
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On October 04 2013 23:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey you wanna speculate how Marv could be scum? Sure. You go first. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:07 Risen wrote: No, it isn't. Stop calling your anti-town play lynch a policy lynch. A policy lynch is lynch all liars, or lynch all lurkers, or RNG lynch d1. This is not a policy lynch. You can shout it all you want to, but this reads to me as marv shouting it over and over in the hopes that people will think I'm crazy and won't think about you Yeah... the thing I suggested was 100% a policy lynch. marv did something that is bad for town and something he should never do as town. That doesn't mean he didn't do it as town. Explain why his push on bh from a scum perspective. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:15 Risen wrote: And that's the perfect time to throw a wrench in the works. Rayn was looking scummy as shit and you vote me over him? I don't think so. BH pressured rayn and gets a giant "emotional" push on him coming from you? I don't buy it. How convenient that the other person who makes a case on rayn is suddenly your next lynch target after sloosh. I think without the BH doctor claim you would have kept pressing until BH was lynched no problem. Then when BH flipped town you would say something like "well serves him right for his play" and then what? We're left nowhere after day 1 because no one will listen to me and BH is dead. It's paranoid, sure, but the paranoia is based in reality. And I'm not wrong in the other game. Look at what that person is doing. That's not town play. Over the line. No more talking about other games. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:23 marvellosity wrote: If you think I am mafia, please refer back to this post later on. I wish to lynch slOosh. If we lynch slOosh and he flips town, then you can lynch me straight after. And if I argue you can just quote this post. I'm happy to take the 1 for 1. Oh shut up marv that's just dumb | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote: how is it dumb? from Risen's perspective, I'm guaranteeing myself a loss as mafia. which i'm happy to take. Are you 100% certain sloosh is scum? If you are, just lynch him tomorrow and ignore risen. If you're not, don't say dumb things | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote: if it takes me guaranteeing myself a loss in the hypothetical scenario where i'm mafia, then i'll take it. shrug. Yeah but if sloosh flips town you're not just gonna roll over and die regardless of alignment so... stahp | ||
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"Fuck this shit, I'm out" | ||
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On October 05 2013 01:21 Risen wrote: I said I would read over everything and I am, I am not upset about my case being ignored. I am upset about Oats coming in and dropping something like that then leaving, how is this fucking hard to understand. How are both of you being so obtuse But you think marv is scum. So oats is town. So why do you care? | ||
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On October 05 2013 01:36 slOosh wrote: I apologize if I'm acting stupid, this is the first time I've had a non-activity case built against me as town, and so in my mind I've dismissed it as incorrect / misled. I'll give it an honest go with upcoming post. Nothing about the case on your is based on non-activity. It's based partially on you doing nothing though. There's a difference. | ||
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On October 05 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote: that's not what he said clarity. " this is the first time I've had a non-activity case built against me as town, and so in my mind I've dismissed it as incorrect / misled." What am I misunderstanding? Also why has sloosh dismissed the case on him as incorrect on anything other than the fact that in his eyes he's town? :D | ||
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On October 05 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote: it means that normally the cases on him are based on non-activity this is the first time there's a proper case based on other things Oh. | ||
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On October 05 2013 02:02 Dirkzor wrote: Just for reference later can you guys list the point you agree with me on regarding sloosh. Just a few lines. Thansk (away for dinner) Association between him and rayn is probably your strongest point. Plus this other snippet I quoted earlier What?! You weren't able to get a read on Rayn because you skimmed page 21~40, but you got a strong enough town read on Clarity in those same pages that it made up for your earlier scum read? He was clearly deliberately trying to be vague about Rayn while trying to defend his scumbuddy. | ||
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On October 05 2013 02:22 Risen wrote: Why would sloosh lynch rayn over no lynching, or voting me. Sloosh could have kept his vote on me and claimed scared of last second vote shenans. He wouldve gotten himself lynched if that were the case, though. | ||
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1. most likely to be scum in my eyes 2. gives us more info cause he had a wagon on him, as opposed to marv Plus if marv is town he will be more useful than sloosh (no offense meant to sloosh) | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:25 Blazinghand wrote: so you'd prefer a sloosh dirk oats set of a lynches? I prefer a sloosh lynch Also, we don't lynch the top 3 in order, we lynch the scummiest, that's sloosh. We don't lynch based on who would be able to talk themselves out of a lynch | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote: I mainly want to know why Marv is so against it. You want to know why marv is against lynching himself? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:32 Blazinghand wrote: so you think dirk is town? or you think town wont' be able to resist lynching oats at lylo for usual oats reasons I do think dirk is town. It's a toss up between oats and risen actually, but the way oats is acting right now... at least from voice game experience, is typical scum oats. Like, marv saying lynch me if sloosh flips green is dumb, but marv agreeing to lynch him first before sloosh would be extremely dumb, oats finding it weird that marv doesnt like that idea is bad. Bad scummy, in this case. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Well I shouldve capitalized the YOU because we can still lynch scum after you die marv. My Apologies. Imagine you're town. You are so certain that someone is scum so you say "lynch him, if he doesn't flip scum, lynch me" (this is silly but go with it) Now, someone asks you "why don't you think it's a better idea to lynch you first?" Are you going to say: "YEAH GREAT IDEA LETS DO THAT INSTEAD!!" ? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:47 Oatsmaster wrote: What if BH isnt actually Medic? This is why you're so fucking useless, or at the very least annoying | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:49 Holyflare wrote: Guy counterclaims doctor Lynch both Profit......? This | ||
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On October 05 2013 04:29 Risen wrote: Yes, but I'm running into a problem of "there are too many people I see as scum in this game" I can relate to this. | ||
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If you flip town your reads etc will be confirmed genuine which will be really helpful. Worst thing you could do right now, as either alignment, is roll over and die. | ||
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On October 05 2013 20:26 marvellosity wrote: if he's mafia he can roll over all he likes That would be nice | ||
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On October 05 2013 02:00 Oatsmaster wrote: So yeah Risen + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2013 00:01 Risen wrote: I think we should be lynching into dirk/oats/marv. Dirk - Came in swinging to the wrong tune, very quickly changed his tune, and for me has blended right into the game (null). Oats - this guy is crazy. Absolutely nuts and making it impossible to read him. If his meta is this as town then I imagine as scum he gets called out immediately so why WOULDN'T he play like this? I'm immune to the bullshit thinking of "too crazy to be scum". He's not null, he's scummy to me, but he's not the scummiest. marv - I never think I'll see the day where I feel marv will be playing against town as town. Of these three I want marv lynched the most. Of all the people I have played mafia with marv is the person I have come to view as the best, and the person I respect the most (I think there's a reason he was chosen as a representative). When he cracked down on me earlier I stepped away from the game (I was busy anyways, but usually I'm on my phone posting) because I thought this guy is an amazing player and he thinks I need to be better. So I thought I would read filters and post a case as soon as I was able (yesterday I was out all day barring a very small window for lunch). I woke up and read filters. I did not like rayn immediately. I went into the filters expecting to continue my case on Clarity, but I remembered how rayn played in GoT. I really hated how rayn seemed sleazy to me just like he seemed sleazy in GoT with me in PM chat, but I didn't want to say that because that's meta (unverifiable meta), I want my cases to stand on their own. So I go through his filter and make my case. Then that case gets shouted down for being too long and impossible to read. Looking back at that now, I see the problem and my cases going forward will not be like that, they will be concise and to the point. I really think my case would have been considered much more if I had posted the last summary alone. Now, for why I think marv i sscum As scum or town I think marv plays an amazing game, but I also think as scum he is prone to do more crazy things than as town. Maybe that's because I hydra'd with him. I thought marv was town because he was helping me without doing the bullshit this is totally town Risen, so by proxy he was helping town. In my mind you lynch the people who are playing anti-town, and that's it. Day 1 that's usually the person posting largely filler and sheeping and making town reads to buddy people. At the end of the day town will do their best to play for town, and scum will do their best to blend with town or they will do something that will make people think "scum couldn't do this". I do not believe that the town marv I know would try to hobble town that hard. I believe he dislikes BH a lot. I don't think he's lying there, and that's what makes for the best "holy shit I can't believe he did that as scum" plays. I said this in Noir, and I'll say it here. Town players do not make big plays like that. It's an ongoing game so I can't comment fully, but there was one thing I was pretty adamant about in that game that people did not follow. I don't think marv would do this to us as town. Lynch the person who played anti-town and then admitted he played anti-town. Tomorrow I will be voting to lynch marv. No sloosh in this thread | ||
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Risen asked Oats this earlier and that was his answer. He calls 3 people scum and none of them are sloosh, implying sloosh is town. Oats didn't say Risen called sloosh town, he said "Risen seems to think sloosh is town", based on that post in the spoiler. I did the same with the blazinghand thing. He already answered the question you're asking. | ||
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On October 06 2013 02:53 Risen wrote: You should be a meme. Contradictory Guy Clarity There is no contradiction here. On October 06 2013 02:54 Risen wrote: EBWOP: And you'd be hard pressed to find me talking about much of anyone Clarity. Singling it out on Sloosh is scummy as fuck. Why are you misrepresenting me? That's actually a fair point. Yeah you have been kinda useless. Isn't that one of the criteria for you calling oats scum? | ||
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On October 06 2013 03:28 Risen wrote: I can't tell if this is a joke or something just meant to piss me off. You've been on me all game since I wrote my case on you. You just threw my case on rayn away in spite of it being super solid in some places. I'm sorry it was too long, I'm sorry I had a little confirmation bias, but I was right. So don't put me on the same level as Oats. I DO things, and I'm not useless So why did you just tell me "And you'd be hard pressed to find me talking about much of anyone Clarity" | ||
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On October 06 2013 03:35 Risen wrote: I didn't mean nobody, I meant people beyond the people I talk about. Pointing out Sloosh and not pointing out that I haven't talked much about BH or just about anybody I don't have a case on is scummy as shit and just paints me in a bad light misleadingly and I like how you completely dodge that I have done things as opposed to Oats. No, you were wrong, and you won't admit you were wrong YOu see, the difference is (as I pointed out in that post) is that sloosh was the main lynch candidate. | ||
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I give you feedback on your point about oats and you attack me saying I'm scummily painting you in a bad light, I reply to that, you reply to the reply, I reply to your reply to my reply. Then "why are we dragging this out" Jeez, Risen. I dunno. | ||
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On October 06 2013 05:00 slOosh wrote: These have been glossed over. I'm not going to bother rehashing them. If you are calling my scummy because you are declaring me clairvoyant, then you must concede the point that Dirk's initial actions are scummy. Yeah... hence the cases Then for the clairvoyant argument to hold, you must prove that his actions (after I say he looks town) actually exonerate him from his earlier suspicious activity. Not really. You called him town when he was looking scummy, you just admitted to that. Now you're saying he's been scummy all along? Like, if you're scum (which is what I think) then dirk cannot be scum therefore your townread was you having too much information. Although I do think dirk's been looking townier, yes. | ||
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On October 06 2013 08:36 Oatsmaster wrote: sloosh is rolling over and dying here. Marv, Risen or Dirkzor assuming sloosh isnt scum? Welp I can't bring myself to not lynch sloosh if sloosh is just gonna afk for 20 hours, make a post, then immediately fuck off again. I'm having doubts but I think I'd have that about any lynch. Rational part of my brain says stay the course. | ||
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On October 06 2013 18:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah of course we are lynching sloosh, BUT WHAT IF HE FLIPS TOWN??? I say lynch Risen. What do you say clarity? I think Risen is town. Maybe I need to re-read you and dirk. Am gonna wait for sloosh flip though. | ||
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Sloosh giving up is sad. Risen is town... I think. Although he's tunneling so hard I'm starting to doubt, guess I'll trust bh's read. I think Oats or Dirk is probably the correct lynch. Will read a bit today. | ||
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On October 07 2013 21:37 marvellosity wrote: why? i'm not getting nightkilled am i What makes you say that? Like, has anyone been interested in your whole martyr thing? Other than BH (who is dead) | ||
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On October 07 2013 21:53 marvellosity wrote: There seems to be enough lingering suspicion on me (as opposed to you as a prime example) that my death seems rather unlikely. Welp, maybe. If you are town and you do get nightkilled imagine how shitty you would feel if you ended up doing nothing during this night. But you said you'll do stuff before the cycle ends which is cool. Ima do the same. | ||
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Yes, scum are dumb too sometimes (rayn is the evidence of that) but I just don't see it. | ||
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Like, if we had lynched sloosh d1 and rayn d2 no one would be giving townpoints to risen for the case he made and did nothing about.... I guess my argument is starting to become it's anti-scum when I'm not sure there is such a thing really so I'll reread a bit first >.< On October 07 2013 23:19 marvellosity wrote: aren't you reading what you write? it's the safest time to bus and look good for it. Meh I guess my definition of bussing is different. If the bus doesnt run over the person you're throwing under the bus, you're not bussing. | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:27 Holyflare wrote: No, clarity was on a risen lynch. Risen voted sloosh to counteract the fact that he was the reverse wagon. When BH said we could lynch rayne who was risens top scum read (because of his case) he switched over, his post that I linked to you earlier even said why he went onto sloosh "it wasn't a risen lynch". Clarity was against a rayn lynch. In fact when I said the only other person I'd want to lynch is rayn and he said "no that definitely won't happen" or words to that effect. He didn't push rayn because he got butt hurt 24/7 by everyone saying they won't read his cases bla bla for a second time. It would demotivate anyone. Either way, I will not be voting risen today unless there are some GLARINGLY obvious posts. Yeah this guy is putting it better than I did. | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch the Risen. So who dies tonight? Im thinking Clarity or marv. Duh | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote: But he was lynched and rayn was scum so what you are asking is somewhat silly. Risen has been consistent in his case making and style. He makes long winded cases and makes them based off confirmation biased reads. He made his second case on rayn despite being told to improve on making cases. A lot of unnecessary effort went into it and thus when he was shot down again he felt dejected, this wouldn't happen if he was a scum partner with rayn would it, he asked how to improve it, agreed that he could have cut out half of it etc etc. If you're convinced someone is scum you look at everything incriminating which he did, literally everything. The point you make about not pushing his case is the same point yo made against me at the start too. However, what I wrote above still applies. If you put in all that effort and get shot down a second time you get really really demotivated to push anything. As for you oats, you have played what I see as the most scummy game. You didn't really push people you just agreed with points and sheeped votes. It's not until day/night 2 that you really begin to make a case on someone. The case was weak in my opinion and you're jackhammering it rather than looking objectively at other people that could indeed be scum. Marv is a good player so I've heard, the only thing that's made me see him negatively was the BH argument vut as I understand he dislikes BH for out of game reasons. I would have liked him to leave that out of game though for the sake of making this harder. I still need to read up on his posts though because i have somewhat neglected him till now, which can be a total mishap if I've properly misread him. He was convinced sloosh was scum and so didn't do anymore scum hunting and joked at how we were trying which left me questionable. Dirk was well scummy to start, he obviously had to pick up his posting mishap in order to appear not scummy so I'm not sure i can let him slide. I liked his case on sloosh though it looked very convincing. People have seemingly let him go free. If i had to target someone it would be you oats What does the bolded mean? | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:41 Risen wrote: So you admit to not reading the game or lying. Cool. At this point you're either town intentionally playing horribly because you're afraid to go back and appear scummy, or scum intentionally playing horribly and won't go back because you must stick to your meta. Dude.... | ||
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On October 08 2013 06:22 marvellosity wrote: it's interesting how LITTLE rayn addresses the Dirk situation as it's happening. only kinda comes after him when thread sentiment is moving off on to slOosh. He did the same about sloosh though. And he was town. I'm around but spending some time with someone over skype so not sure how much time I'll invest here tonight | ||
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Risen is town, too much angry tunnel to be scum, and a lot of things just don't make sense from a scum perspective. Oats... I think he's town. Much less abrasive as scum from what I've heard (not actually played with scum oats myself). The interaction with marv d1 where he was being silly is kinda hard to fake. Dirk ?????? Holyflare.. Starting to look way worse. Throwing dirt everywhere lately but not really coming to conclusions. Push on oats seems forced. Time to reread before deadline! So tired though >.< Will see how far I get. | ||
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It was the reason I stopped wanting to lynch him at the time and I think I have to stand by that. | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote: meh. that's not why i stopped wanting to lynch him. So why did you stop? | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote: his posts sounded kinda sincere Still seems that way in rereading him IMO | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Wanna bet Risen still calls me scum? Yup. Dunno about the dirk thing clarity, it seems kinda nullish to me. What else are you gonna say if you vote someone for all the wrong reasons and get caught out for it? Well yeah that happened but after that when he was kinda scumhunting around he kept his vote where it was and admitted he didn't want to lynch holy. His response to me saying "your vote is still on him youknow" was "yeah, so what" And that was after marv lectured him on the importance of his vote. Like with the way he's been passively reacting to everything I don't expect him to just say that as scum. I expect him to go " oh yeah ##unvote" or whatever. | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:40 marvellosity wrote: thing is, it's easy to make a defence of anyone Clarity. There's not a lot of people in this game and dirk is/was a big question mark for me so I'm throwing thoughts out there. | ||
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He doesn't read the thread He lies He trolls He didn't vote to lynch rayn He's purposefully playing to his meta You're saying "he lies" when what he's done is say something about what happened that is wrong, could easily be bad memory Oats trolls as town too. He's not the only one that didnt vote rayn This last point is silly. How is he "purposefully" playing to his meta instead of just playing his meta, how do you tell the difference? | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:43 marvellosity wrote: i feel kinda bad finding holy suspicious by default, kinda hoping reading him later will give me a decent townread on him What do you mean by this? Process of elimination orrr? | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:13 Risen wrote: EBWOP: And anyone with a town read on Oats is suspect. HOW DOES THAT WORK IF OATS IS SCUM THEN EVERYONE WITH A TOWNREAD ON HIM IS TOWN | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:16 Risen wrote: Oats hasn't flipped. Do you know something I don't? I had a scum read on you d1 and this looks pretty bad to me. You've been calling him obvious scum all this time and now you're calling everyone with a townread on oats suspicious. >.< | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:16 marvellosity wrote: If oats is town, having a townread on him is certainly reasonable because he's town if oats is mafia, everyone having a townread on him is town Very eloquent | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote: Holyflare is absolutely town. The nice thing about there being 1 scum left, I can just blindly believe you. Erm.... I really don't think it's dirk. So that leaves oats or.... risen I guess. >.< Everything I conclude that risen is likely town... Risen appears. But yeah, probably oats then | ||
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Either you're scum, so duh Or you're town, and saying "absolutely town" is a pretty high level of confidence | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:27 marvellosity wrote: I did Dirk reading and decided he was the mafia. I've since read other people and decided they were town. Hmph... Bullet points? | ||
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... with my knife, you perv. But yeah, nothing mindblowing. Seems like a "lack of better options" argument, yet you said you read him as scum and THEN read others as town =/ | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:38 marvellosity wrote: -shortest filter in the game (love dem activity tells bro) Yeah this is true especially since he was kinda scumhunting when he was being pressured. I really liked his case on sloosh tho | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:43 marvellosity wrote: can't really be bothered arguing with you clarity. you've not provided one compelling argument why anyone is mafia. I'm not arguing with you I'm discussing with you. Because we think eachother are town, right? As you just stated there aren't that many compelling arguments out there. I'm probably willing to go with dirk and then probably oats I wish there was more time though, if I die tonight will be pretty disappointed with myself. | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:40 marvellosity wrote: thing is, it's easy to make a defence of anyone Clarity. I guess it comes down to this and why I'm not super comfortable with any lynch right now. | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:54 Holyflare wrote: Re-read rayns filter and count the number of times he mentions oats, especially at times when the topic of conversation was not on oats. Do you believe scum are more likely to associate themselves with their partner any chance they get, or avoid them? Because you're actually convincing me that oats is town | ||
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On October 08 2013 09:11 Holyflare wrote: Maybe clarity stayed around to hear reactions to his crazy plays? Nope Yes, I'm still here | ||
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I SHALL GO TO BED NOW, LYNCH ME IF I POST IN THE NEXT HOUR | ||
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On October 08 2013 18:41 Dirkzor wrote: I haven't looked at anything after D1 to be honest. Man.... ##Vote Dirkzor | ||
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On October 08 2013 20:00 marvellosity wrote: cmon Clarity, that's cheap. He said it after making two giant posts explaining things. Like I really don't care if it's cheap. | ||
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On October 08 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote: do you have no comments on what I talked about with him? Am reading it now. Glanced over it honestly. Not sure what to make of you giving him a lifeline and him refusing it. | ||
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On October 08 2013 23:09 Dirkzor wrote: You say you back and check but you haven't brought this forward? You always react to the present and I find that a bit scummy. All your votes have been done in the moment. Some even without any reason behind. You're just making shit up now,dude | ||
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On October 08 2013 23:13 Dirkzor wrote: Clarity Open your eyes and think for a moment that Marv isn't town. Read his filter from D1. If you think that wasn't the first thing I did after d1 you are wrong | ||
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On October 08 2013 23:28 Dirkzor wrote: Then you tell me what Marv did D1? I'll summrize it if you want but I'd rather you(Or HF/Risen) read and posted what marv actually did D1. Explain his fake Oats pressure. Explain his Sloosh vote sheeping thread sentiment. Explain his Risen voteswitch at the end. Explain his BH stunt. What marv always does as d1, as either alignment. But I was onboard with dirk and he was onboard with sloosh so that gives him towniepoints. The lynch shenannies are meh. But yes, please summarize how pushing you and then backing off of you makes marv scum, and why you didn't bother mentioning this until today. | ||
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On October 08 2013 23:39 Dirkzor wrote: Clarity it's not about each individual thing he have done. They have all been just enough to look like Town marv pressuring or asking the right question. But have you seen marv push for any lynch for real? no! He puts pressure on me. I answer and he backs of. He puts pressure on Oats: Oats answer and he backs of. You and I find sloosh scummy. He votes with nothing more then "I agree". No follow up. He vote BH because "lols" (I still fairly believe he did that because he truely don't like BH btw) Back to sloosh. Then suddenly: Risen vote! Why? no one knows and noone cared at the time. Risen vote was because he was the counterwagon to sloosh and sloosh was looking townie by the end >.< I could do this all day | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:03 marvellosity wrote: like no-one bats an eyelid if you die and i die in the next two nights and Holy is alive at lylo. that's what i'm basing that statement on Yeah, that's true. | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:33 Holyflare wrote: If you're so sure that dirk is scum though, why can't we lynch you first? I love this | ||
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On October 09 2013 01:21 Holyflare wrote: How does clarity play as scum/town by the way? Well, before aperture 2 I played scum obviously. Then aperture I did decently so I guess if you want to look at my current scum meta it would be aperture 2 episode 2. Erm... My towngame is basically how I've been playing this game. Including the "no, let's not switch to the scum last minute" shouting that is becoming a trend with me | ||
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So. First, answer this: On October 08 2013 23:32 Clarity_nl wrote: What marv always does as d1, as either alignment. But I was onboard with dirk and he was onboard with sloosh so that gives him towniepoints. The lynch shenannies are meh. But yes, please summarize how pushing you and then backing off of you makes marv scum, and why you didn't bother mentioning this until today. Then, show that this isn't all bullshit by backing it up with quotes and context: On October 08 2013 23:09 Dirkzor wrote: You say you back and check but you haven't brought this forward? You always react to the present and I find that a bit scummy. All your votes have been done in the moment. Some even without any reason behind. On October 08 2013 23:05 Dirkzor wrote: And you have only focused on the 2hours prior to present this entire game. On October 08 2013 23:09 Dirkzor wrote: You say you back and check but you haven't brought this forward? You always react to the present and I find that a bit scummy. All your votes have been done in the moment. Some even without any reason behind. On October 08 2013 23:39 Dirkzor wrote: Clarity it's not about each individual thing he have done. They have all been just enough to look like Town marv pressuring or asking the right question. But have you seen marv push for any lynch for real? no! He puts pressure on me. I answer and he backs of. He puts pressure on Oats: Oats answer and he backs of. You and I find sloosh scummy. He votes with nothing more then "I agree". No follow up. He vote BH because "lols" (I still fairly believe he did that because he truely don't like BH btw) Back to sloosh. Then suddenly: Risen vote! Why? no one knows and noone cared at the time. On October 08 2013 23:51 Dirkzor wrote: You didn't lead jack shit. You puts light pressure on me, I answered and you backed off. Same with oats. On October 09 2013 01:32 Dirkzor wrote: Thank you. And btw Marv didn't progress anything. Bh did the rayn thing. I did sloosh (wrongly) - which you sheeped. At day 1 lynch marv didn't push anyone towards lynch time and he never committed much to anything. If you can convince me even half of this isn't complete bullshit then I shall reconsider. | ||
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Marv then votes sloosh. He doesn't push this lynch at all. Yeah this is silly. As marv pointed out we had a majority so we were basically waiting for: a) Sloosh to get lynched; or b) Something to happen No need to push someone who has a majority unless sentiment is moving away from the lynchtarget, which it wasn't. Like, it's another example of you just reading the first 8 pages of marv's filter and calling things scummy, when in context they are not. Townies do this too, however.... That said, marv's follow up on dirk vote day 1 was fine. He voted you because your opening post was scummy. Then when asked to explain your vote you were having issues so his vote was still on you, then when you were being consistently terrible in your defense you seemed genuine and he unvoted (and explained). At no point did I wonder "why is marv's vote on dirk", and neither should you have. | ||
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On October 09 2013 22:00 Dirkzor wrote: I'm not 100%. But right now he is my best bet. As I said I'm waiting for Risen and HF Why? Your scumread is right here. Do you not care about being right enough to admit possibly being wrong and interacting with him? | ||
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On October 09 2013 22:10 Dirkzor wrote: Oh marv. Go hug someone. We can talk about something (or someone else) if you like. I just don't want to go back and forth about this. I presented my case you presented meta arguments for the contrary. I don't agree so where does it leaves this? You calling me stupid.. And that got old real quick yesterday For starters... what do you not agree with? If your answer is "everything" then disprove some things... | ||
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The only person who's pushed either of us is dirk. Like... I can't..... Man. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/35251c41bdfa6836b90b689a521db6f6/tumblr_mndrlfPjbG1r3gb3zo1_250.gif) | ||
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On October 09 2013 22:43 Dirkzor wrote: Look after my play I need to die before lylo. If we get to lylo with me who is really going to vote against me? Assume I'm town for now. We lynch Risen. He flip town. Scum kills Clarity/Marv/HF (depending on scum). Lylo is Dirk/marv/HF or Dirk/marv/clar or Dirk/CLar/HF. Who dies? I do. If we lynch anyone else then Risen or me today. Lylo looks: Dirk/Risen and Marv/HF/Clar. Who dies? I do. If you lynch me today you most likely end up with Risen at lylo. Might be better just to lynch me now and find scum at lylo? That makes no sense. @marv, I'm looking. Shit is hard | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:52 Risen wrote: No that's only two including me not enough ##unvote ##vote: sloosh This seems fair. If Risen is scum, why would he switch back to rayn after this? On October 04 2013 08:53 Risen wrote: My phone is dying wtf last swap back I'm driving ffs ##unvote ##vote: rayn There is an answer... and that was that I was shouting for a Risen lynch.... I don't know. If I ignore the rayn lynch then risen looks much much worse, though. | ||
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On October 09 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote: sorry, i'm not quite sure what point you were making then? Me neither, in thinking it over. It was something like: "Risen clearly isn't keeping a close eye on the thread yet votes his scumpartner and goes afk, rather than just staying on a townie"? | ||
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On October 09 2013 23:01 marvellosity wrote: oh yeah, Clarity, we played with Risen as TheChronicler in Chrono Trigger... Man he looks nothing like this game in Chrono =/ Was a year ago though | ||
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On October 09 2013 23:13 Dirkzor wrote: Btw I never saw that post where marv stated that someone was in another topic or QT while not posting here... (rayn was it, when playing drunk D1?) where is it... I've been wonderign why I never saw it... Was about Risen somewhere between the first and second half of day 1, after he made his case on me he disappeared. Nothing conclusive out of the chrono game regarding phone dying sadly 03:09 GMT (+00:00) Risen says phone dying will post when home 04:05 GMT (+00:00) Risen posting in scum qt Seems legit. Would be kind of a dumb thing to lie about anyway. | ||
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On October 09 2013 23:18 marvellosity wrote: I have to go for a little while. Was in noir obsQT Risen 10-02-2013 11:53 PM ET (US) Well... I feel bad :/ Don't know how to make the times line up, will check into it later if you can't either 04:53 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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If he was scum he had the oats + dirk/risen mislynches lined up. Why nk oats? Out of everyone I expect marv to do that the least | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:04 Dirkzor wrote: Oats was a potential mislynch for everyone. So I'm trying to disregard the Oats NK because i really don't know what to read into it... I understand that it's a bad nk for anyone to make. But it makes the least sense for marv, and then second least for holy as marv pointed out :D | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:43 Holyflare wrote: Yeh, of course you can do that. It was the interactions that risen had after he made the case that made it seem more genuine. That, coupled with his confirmation biased aggressiveness just added to my town read of him most of the game as most of his games I've seen he has been pretty similar. I mean, sure, it would make sense to make a case on like dirkzor or something and get everybody to train back onto him but to make a case on rayn who was on the forefront of everyones minds for a lynch just didn't make sense. Especially when he could have just voted sloosh and been done with it. Not how I remember it =/ | ||
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On October 10 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote: if you read my games, you'd know i always heavily defend myself with meta  lol | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:02 Risen wrote: It all makes sense now, he knew I would immediately move over to Dirk, bcause I don't do meta, I play with logic, and logically Dirk was the guy. He was counting on it. But he wasn't counting on me to think on the next level of the Oats kill. He was expecting me to be mad, he wasn't expecting me to keep my cool. Oats went down because I'm not the crazy one, Oats is the crazy one and marv knew it. So marv got rid of the crazy guy who would lynch him for the hell of it BWHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote: Clarity, that's not helpful. What do you actually make of this? I'm not sure. Risen too crazy to be scum? He genuinely seems like he believes everything he's saying. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:12 Risen wrote: I've never been in a game with you where you made me feel bad. You were always simply patronizing. When we hydra'd you were patronizing and that was ok, because it was useful. Where are you useful this game? When I say marv doesn't demoralize I mean it. You patronize, you don't demoralize. And where are you USEFUL. You're always useful and you weren't useful d1 or d2. Now it's d3 and where are you useful here? How many posts have been made this game. I'm not even bringing in today, because every single person except Dirk is scummy today. How pro-town is it to clog up the works with all this posting? This isn't a game where you should post every single thing that comes to mind. When Oats flipped you all should have considered it and thought about it. I understaand the initial posts as not being anti-town, but what about after? Anyone thinking logically should have come to the conclusion that it was Dirk or Marv. It took me a little longer to come to the conclusion of Marv, but I think had marv not filled the thread up with all this noise afterwards I wouldn't have found him as scummy. You're all scummy for posting so much today, Marv simply has the scumminess of his past play these few days behind him What? | ||
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Anyone thinking logically should have come to the conclusion that it was Dirk or Marv. It took me a little longer to come to the conclusion of Marv, but I think had marv not filled the thread up with all this noise afterwards I wouldn't have found him as scummy. You're all scummy for posting so much today, Marv simply has the scumminess of his past play these few days behind him Please explain in a way that doesn't make me feel like I'm talking to someone that doesn't believe that we landed on the moon. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:16 Risen wrote: He comes in, he makes his case, gets shouted down for it and says he's done with it all. That's town behavior I can sympathize with because everyone always does it to me. That combined with him not spamming. I think that's pro-town of him. What's the point of responding to you all? You all say he's scum and you're very clearly unwilling to move your votes off him, so fuck it, and fuck all of you. It makes perfect sense to me. If we were all so certain we wouldnt have spent the last 10-20 pages talking about/to him. I mean the other part though, where everyone else but him is scummy today. | ||
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so fuck it, and fuck all of you. It makes perfect sense to me. It's stuff like this (and how often he says something like this) that's starting to make me think risen is just scum fucking with us. Trying to look town by being too crazy for scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 08 2013 05:11 Risen wrote: I'm not the one who said it, why should I have been the one to check it? YOU are the one making claims based on bullshit in this trhead,. IM NOT THE ONE WHO HAS TO CHECKK YOUR SHIT FOR YOU, YOU ARE. HOW IS ANYONE THIS FUCKING BAD AT MAFIA. If you're town enjoy being on the list with Mocsta and Geript. If you're scum, get better. You're ass. You're so clearly scum I am shocked, SHOCKED you weren't lynched yesterday. It's a fucking TRAVESTY no one else got their shit together to lynch you yesterday,. I don't know how many people it's going to take saying "Damn Oats that's scummy" before everyone gets their shit together and lynches you. I'm going to have a fucking heart attack talking to you. It makes me want to break down and cry with anger that there exist people like you in this world. People who make it a goal to troll TL mafia games and ruin the enjoyment for other people. What trap?! Anyone who reads any response to a question like that is going to have to run the gambit of "But wouldn't that be something scum would say? But then no, they'd realize that and not say it." before coming to the conclusion that it's pure WIFOM, but the seed has already been placed. Your statement did it's job. It was a pure trap question. Good townies point out scummy shit. I see scummy shit and I point it out. You're trying to discredit me so no one else will listen to me. And slammed for pushing other people? I WANTED MARV LYNCHED LAST NIGHT BEFORE YOU CAME AND TROLLED THE SHIT OUT OF ME. I was even considering that maybe you're just a lemming that marv was riding. I came to the conclusion that maybe you were town and you liked to troll people. You liked to make them upset. You like to ruin their enjoyment of the game because that's what got you off at night. But no. No one is that rotten of a person on TL. If you | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:29 Risen wrote: That's not the point I'm trying to make. Who is posting content in all these things? The vast majority of it is filler. The vast majority of all this is filler and you three talking things out that could easily be done in your head. So WHY is all this happening. WHY is all this filler happening. Why is someone posting today this much that could just be done in their head? To appear active, to appear as if they are contributing. That's why I'm saying you're all scummy from this, because you're all doing it, it isn't just one of you. And why am I the only one who is seeing this? I mean, I could probably talk to marv in my head at this point but I'm not so sure I could with dirk. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:41 Dirkzor wrote: Clarity lynching me won't solve the game. It will only put you at lylo. And don't shut the door completely towards marv. In my head HF is still more town looking than marv. I have shut the door though. I've looked and I've looked and he looks town :s The only person who's made an argument for scum marv is risen and we all know how convincing he is. I agree that HF looks townie, but if you flip town then he basically has to be it unless risen is being very clever with his conspiracy nut approach. What do you think about risen, dirk? | ||
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It's like he has two voices in his head and they agree with eachother constantly so he is super certain about everything he says. | ||
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Do you even believe the shit you say half the time Risen? | ||
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It would be the second night in a row that my top scum read died And this doesn't teach you anything about being too certain about your reads? | ||
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Seeds of doubt. Darn it Risen. Orcs are fictional creatures Uterus Beachwhale Trust Clarity doubt yourself Doubt | ||
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On October 06 2013 05:03 Clarity_nl wrote: So what did dirk do exactly that made you change your read on him? Because after we made those cases we still called him scum and you still called him town. You're a genius, Risen. | ||
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Even now, right at this moment, that scummy fucker is trying to discredit you. It's like he doesn't want to get lynched or something. Can you believe that? | ||
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Like his early posting are kinda constructed, actually. Maybe it's just a style thing but his later posts are more relaxed and have a bit more emotion to them. Not sure what to make of that. | ||
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I don't know who the fuck scum is. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:06 Risen wrote: Disagreeing with me is fine, but you should probably post reasons for doing so. To me this looks like scum trying to set up something down the road with "Hey Risen is still alive. Wouldn't it be CRAZY if he was actually scum? I mean he hasn't done anything particularly scummy, but Risen plays CRAZY! Look here I had a feeling early on he was being CRAZY." On September 24 2013 08:15 Risen wrote: You're going to have to poke harder if you're trying to get a rise out of me. More useless filler from Marv. Don't remember this from town marv. Risen this game saying marv doesn't demoralize people like he has..... Clearly wrong and he should know this since it happened to him. Let alone that after his bad case on me day 1 marv was the only person trying to help Risen. That said: On September 27 2013 06:11 Risen wrote: I do. I just want to die and watch town ignore my instructions so I can weep silently. There's just something about my reads that protect people more than hurt them. I can call someone scum and they're pretty much guaranteed to live another cycle. It's kind of ridiculous. Maybe it's me not making sense. Maybe it's town always being bad. It's probably a little bit of both. Ah well. This post by Risen seems awfully familiar. Fuck | ||
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On October 10 2013 18:32 marvellosity wrote: The issue is, obviously, that there are really good reasons to call everyone left alive in the game town. I can attach what I would usually consider really strong towntells to everyone left. Can you explain one for each of us please? Am especially curious about Risen, where for me most of the game it's been "too crazy to be scum".... of course there is some voting stuff that speaks in his favour... | ||
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Here's the thing about Risen though, if I make a case on someone exclaiming I am super confident they are scum and they flip town, I lose confidence. This has happened to Risen like 2.5 times... How does he manage to, yet again, exclaim that he's solved the game and is super confident in me being scum before even making a case, again..... I understand I'm not Risen and he clearly thinks differently than I do but it's not like he's incapable of learning | ||
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On October 10 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote: I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't Holy tbh. WHICH MEANS WE 100% KILL HOLY IF HE IS ALIVE TOMORROW !!!!!!!!!!1234395849038509486504683045834128361 Oh? | ||
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I do think the night kill will be very telling tonight. I expect it to be me though, why do you think it'll be holy? | ||
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On October 10 2013 20:13 marvellosity wrote: Risen is suspicious of you I've been leaning on Risen, but fencesitting like a boss Holy leaning very slightly on you? I've been "scummy"/under pressure all game Holy looks least suspicious to other players, least lynchable. If Risen is scum he'll kill me over holy because if he kills holy he's dead. If Holy is scum he cannot kill holy. If I'm scum... yeah I probably kill holy. That was my analysis without saying it earlier, but now you're saying holy is the likely night kill and I don't understand how you got to that conclusion. | ||
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On October 10 2013 20:28 marvellosity wrote: no, he's not going to kill the guy he's going to try to lynch at lylo. that makes no sense to me at all. he will kill holy and hope to overcome my bias. Right, killing you makes more sense for a scum risen, my point is he wouldn't kill holy I don't think. | ||
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Wasn't so much about the nks as your thought process but honestly in hindsight I'm not sure what I expected. | ||
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Like with slam I bussed him so hard and never really let up or reconsidered. Same went for lynching town. Once I was attacking someone I barely ever let up. | ||
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Didn't do that in GoT and got called out for it by FT. | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:50 FirmTofu wrote: Town Clarity is someone who has a very confident Day 1. He pressures people, attacks with authority, and backs off only when he is confident that the player he is attacking is not scum. Clarity displayed NONE of that during day 1. Clarity played rather passive and although he was relatively active, his accusations were a lot less characteristic of his town play. | ||
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On October 11 2013 00:49 Risen wrote: I don't understand why anyone would want me to post my case anytime before the end of the night. That's stupid. ?? | ||
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On October 11 2013 01:58 Risen wrote: No it isn't finished. I hadn't planned on finishing it until tonight, I didn't think about people giving their thoughts. I'll post my notes. Like, explain this to me because you did this when it came to rayn as well. How are you so certain in a case that isn't even finished yet? I've had plenty of times where I start making a case feeling confident and then by the end I reread it and it's not convincing in the slightest. | ||
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On October 11 2013 02:07 Risen wrote: Yup, here we go. I literally just fucking explained my case wasn't finished but posted my notes so people could give thoughts on them because a case this big is going to take a long time because I wrote them READING THROUGH THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME and all you have to say is thanks for summarizing? I began entertaining a HF scum because of his hedge on that last page in spite of your scummy let's talk about NKs earlier and you do that. Nope I'm sorry that you only had like 16-18 hours to make the case that you said was really convincing | ||
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On October 11 2013 02:12 Risen wrote: End of day 1 avoidance of Rayn until you couldn't anymore because you were clearly in thread and he was going to die d2 Sheeping marv all game Discrediting everything preemptively Trying to soft push nearly everyone this game and never actually pushing anything, clear sign of scum Okay, now we're talking. I didn't avoid rayn, I expressed very clearly that I didn't want him lynched. That's a pretty hard stance, no? As marv has pointed out waaaaay early, I sheep marv as town. How does this make me scum? "Discrediting everything preemptively"... you mean "gives his opinion on stuff"? How does that make me scum? Soft pushing... again give me an example. Because believe it or not, townies sometimes say "I'm not certain on this guys alignment" | ||
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On October 11 2013 02:18 Risen wrote: 1) Sure, until you last second vote him. Why not keep your vote on sloosh where you've been expressing suspicion all game? Why rayn who you've been hard defending and trying to move people onto me or sloosh? Because you had to. It was literally the only way for you to get to the endgame was by bussing because rayn was going to get lynched day 2 for trying to no lynch 2) You also say really early, but then I'd do that as scum lolololol. This is part of point number 3 where you hedge and call yourself out on everything in the hopes that no one will afterward be able to point it out 3) No, it isn't just giving opinion. It's beyond demoralizing, it's you saying nah that's stupid and don't listen to that point before anyone can make it. Why are you so concerned with preemptively defending yourself from things? Why are you so afraid of the appearance of scumminess 4) Sloosh d1 soft pushed all day, me d1 soft pushed all day, HF soft pushed for a while now, me continued soft pushed for the whole game. I'm making a big post to respond but 1), it was clearly to make a lynch happen and I was not confident in the rayn lynch at all. 2) marv said I sheeped him as town I pointed out I would as scum too cause it's the truth. I was much less certain about marv's alignment at the time and it seemed like a weird thing to say 3) You're gonna have to like, quote posts and point this out. 4) Your definition of soft pushing is broken. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Opening post don't know how he can think HF is town and that sloosh are town here, says BH is not a lynch candidate today. Says he needs to wait to see what I am based on what my scumreads are. Calls out Oats, but doesn't actually call out Oats as scum because meta. For some reason says Oats is town b/c pressure on HF but that doesn't apply to me? Trying to buddy Oats? I didn't recognize what you did as pressure but I did recognize what Oats did, that's not difficult to see Something interesting here. Clarity has just called sloosh town, and then a couple posts later he says he doesn't find sloosh town. Feels the need to justify his feelings. That's scummy. Says he's eager to play but the game doesn't have much meat. Not much meat? There's a lot of meat here. You have people voting, people calling other scum or town there is a really good amount of stuff to go on here and instead he sits around doing nothing because there's not enough meat. Why is he sitting in thread doing nothing waiting for other people to do something? There wasn't much to the game at that point, I had commented on everything I found to be useful/worth mentioning This is blending. That's scummy. Sheeps onto Dirk. It's really bugging me that he called himself out for an earlier thing, though. Why are you preemptively defending yourself? Not defending myself, just realized in rereading that my townread on sloosh was bad Clarity sheeps marv on Dirk. Why didn't you see this in the first place? I was thinking and marv jumped on it quickly. In fact I admit that's why I asked marv why he felt like immediately dropping a vote before reading the whole post Clarity supersheep mode activated. No contribution, just parroting marv. What the? Only now that marv is actually having a conversation with dirk do you ask why marv found the vote opportunistic? Because dirk pointed it out, I didn't notice it at the time You literally just saw his reasoning and said, yeah that sounds good to me. That's shady as shit. Are you preparing for a Dirk lynch and him to flip as town by expressing doubt? Clarity brings up sloosh, someone who has very little posting to go off of and what has been posted was already discussed. Why aren't you leading the conversation on sloosh here? Why aren't you contributing yourself? There is a pattern of sheep, sheep, sheep, blend, blend, blend. That's scummy as shit. Sloosh wasn't around there was nothing to go on Clarity calls out a contradiction that isn't there. Really feels like he was sitting there and as soon as he saw something he pounced without thinking it through. Where is the town motivation to do something like that? There's plenty of scum motivation to do so, though. The contradiction post was more of a joke. I don't remember what oats said but it was about me and it was wrong, and he said that right after he said he read the thread. I was implying he didn't, as usual Clarity once again preemptively defends himself by saying if he was scum he would sheep marv. Why even say that? Clarity says long posts are cool. Clarity pushing Dirk pretty damn hard. This clarity/rayn back and forth seems really pushed. Like hey clarity back and forth with me in thread so it looks like I'm contributing explain this better rather than just saying things. I make my case on Clarity Clarity's defense isn't really a defense. It's like he's scummarizing everything I said. He even says yes to some of the things I call him on. The thinjg that sticks out to me most is his sheep of rayn here. Rayn now with a town read on me and Clarity with a read that leaves himself open to go either way and follow rayn or not. Rayn starts pressuring Clarity and all of a sudden just backs down. Clarity again tries to broach the subject of a sloosh lynch. He really doesn't like sloosh. He must really want sloosh lynched. Sloosh even calls him on it. BH comes in and starts up a rayn lynch, Clarity immediately begins to pressure Dirk some more right after BH has just said he won't support a Dirk lynch for the day. Clarity says rayn is the easy lynch. The easy lynch? Yes, he had barely posted or done shit, it was close to being a lurker lynch. If rayn was town he was the easy mislynch to push Clarity starts backing down from his pressure on Dirk. How convenient that Dirk receives an endorsement from BH and you start falling off. Pretty sure I expressed my willingness to move elsewhere before marv/BH Looks like Sloosh should be Clarity's push then. More back and forth on rayn. Yeah sure I could lynch rayn, but then ehh I'll just figure him out later. Clarity really trying to make the appearance that him and marv are on the same page. As was pointed out earlier, town Clarity and marv are always on the same page right guys? Right? Right. Clarity and marv make almost identical posts right here. Clarity and marv make almost identical posts right here. Man, they must be thinking really similar. Something that bugs me, though, is that Clarity keeps bringing this up when really anyone who is around should be making the exact same points these two are making. So Clarity is asking someone he had a scum read on to join the wagon of justice against sloosh, the person he's slowly been building up to this whole time without blatantly saying it. ?!MGKRLEGKmn$ETGNMELTGNKE$LGNK HOW DID I MISS THIS!? Clarity calls rayn on the point that makes rayn scum to me. Instead of pressuring rayn on this, though, he provides rayn a way to come back off it by shifting things to ME. Rayn and Clarity having a small mini discussion while Clarity is missing the glaringly obvious that rayn should not have had a town read like that. Clarity himself says Risen would do that as either alignment, why are you not calling Rayn out here? WHY? You don't find it scummy that rayn is trying to protect me by using a 3P game as evidence of my towniness? Really? Like how is this not screaming "LYNCH RAYN" Clarity defends HF from rayn, though. Why? Are you afraid that your partner is going to get lynched and need to find something outside a vote that will allow you to say "damn see look here I was coming around to him being scum" Clarity again does this. Doesn't vote rayn Clarity sheeps marv's "rayn won't be lynched today by me" point completely setting up a "oh damn I liked what marv had to say about the situation so much I dropped everything I had begun feeling about rayn" I say I'm writing up a case on rayn and he says are you writing a case on me. To me that says Clarity is afraid I've found something and wants to get the jump on it. He's so paranoid it's going to be about him that he doesn't consider it being on anyone else. Preemptively deflecting my case. Says the dumbest, most infuriating thing someone can say to me after I've just explained what I was saying "I dunno, you tell us." I'm getting mad sitting here reading it again. It quite clearly means that rayn is scum because he doesn't care where his vote goes as long as marv leads it so he can later say "Oh marv placed my vote not me". Now that people are saying I have good points at the second half though you conveniently aren't responding to them. Marv at least responded to the very relevant points I brought up on rayn. I don't know how I missed all this. Sloosh and HF are talking about the points I brought up, marv is talking about my points, why aren't you talking about rayn? Why are you avoiding rayn so much? You sheep marv here but don't vote for BH in spite of marv and sloosh being on him at this point. Why? Then you defend BH while simultaneously pushing me. Like Clarity what happened to your scum reads? Suddenly you're asking who's more likely to flip scum of me and Oats? Is it a coincidence that we are the two people outside sloosh who have pushed you at some point this game? I don't think Clarity looks good post-doctor claim. Clarity is back to pushing sloosh. Just kidding the pressure is back on me. How convenient considering that the person you've been slow rolling so hard is going to flip town and you'll look super scummy. There's me, though, who other people have been expressing doubt about. If there's a definition of opportunistic push Clarity is it here. You can't explain how a scum marv would do that? I can. Easily. Do I think a scum marv would? I guess not, but I know he could do it. A town Clarity should know marv would be capable of it. A scum Clarity who knows marv is town would say something like that, though. Scum use emoticons. How good did that feel Clarity? How good, after you had been soft pushing me forever, did it feel when Sloosh voted me. It must have felt insanely good. Nevermind it's coming from the person you have your vote on, that's enough to covince you that I'm the proper lynch. Clarity doesn't want to overcommit to a mislynch, though, that would make him appear scummy. Instead he asks other people if they're down with lynching me. Rayn isn't happening. In spite of the fact that rayn has more votes than me and people are discussing a rayn lynch, rayn isn't happening. It isn't happening? Or you don't want it to happen. Like HF says he's down with a rayn lynch here, you know BH is down, and that makes 3. So how do you stop a rayn lynch? You flat out say rayn isn't happening and pray. Then you ask rayn in thread sloosh or Risen. At this point rayn has more support for a lynch than me and the thing that convinced you to lynch me is coming from your top scum read. How am I the only one who's caught this? So you are wavering on sloosh, but you're totally willing to lynch me who you simpoly consider a liability? WHAT?! LOOK AT THIS Clarity sees the opportunity to lynch me and set up a sloosh lynch d2 and so he tries to start up a last second train. That would mean rayn and him would get 4 KP off and just win d3 since they now know who the doctor is. Clarity sees rayn trying to cause a no lynch here and is still pressuring me. Why? How do you see what rayn is doing and say, yeah that dude is totally not scum over Risen. And sloosh from earlier is suddenly dropping off for Risen. HOW IS NO ONE SEEING CLARITY IN ALL THIS!? HE JUST VOTED SLOOSH OVER RAYN! Sloosh consolidates onto me and Clarity sees that with a no lynch today, rayn is gone tomorrow. Clarity sees that marv is not moving his vote. He knows how bad it's going to look for him when rayn flips scum. There's nothing left to do, he busses his teammate. Clarity is openly mad in thread following rayn flip. Is he mad because he genuinely doesn't want to play with rayn or because rayn just got himself lynched and now Clarity is all alone. So is all that anger post-flip genuine anger that rayn got himself lynched. How does BH come away with Clarity being town through that? He even says in the same sentence that rayn and Clarity near simultaneously voted sloosh. No BH, Clarity couldn't do that, because he would in effect be declaring himself FOR a no lynch. Clarity prepping himself for sloosh flip by saying "damn sloosh's death post was super sincere I just don't knowwwww" Really clarity? You really want to lynch sloosh? Because before the flip of rayn you were wavering on sloosh. This inconsistency seems like super bullshit to me. Clarity isn't hardly pushing anything outside of defending rayn. Almost nothing has changed pre-flip to post-flip and here is Clarity sheeping marv again. Why are you buddying marv here instead of pointing out how not pro-town an ultimatum it is for marv to be making? Why are you acting like I'm supposed to have a 100% scum read here? The only people with perfect information are scum. Why didn't I catch this earlier? Look, you're trying to misrepresent something, marv calls you on it, and you crawl back into sheeping marv. Hahaha, funny that you're using things to point to a scum sloosh at the end of d1 when if anyone would actually read the end of day 1 you come out looking the MOST scummy by far. How are you way more confident in a sloosh lynch Clarity when just prior to lynch you were wavering. This makes NO SENSE. And you have a town read on marv? Color me shocked. Well thank god you're so certain now on sloosh, because it looks to me like you're leaving yourself open to Oats or Risen should something arise. What have you done with any sort of certainty beyond try and save rayn until you couldn't any longer this game? HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS TO HOLYFLARES POST?! Just earlier you were musing out loud about how you would probably lynch BH if he was alive day 2!!! Once again leaving the door open to lynch me down the road here. He says I called all three of the people not on sloosh scum and that I imply sloosh is town. No, that's not what it was at all. This is Clarity preparing for sloosh townflip. Calls me out for not discussing sloosh when it's more Risen isn't really discussing anyone at all because I've been busy as shit. Why are you fingering one person? More Clarity flailing attempting to poke holes that simply aren't there. He's posting just to post and appear active. Boom marv comes in with a town read on me and suddenly Clarity is back to "yeah Risen totes town" Why do you think I'm town Clarity? You aren't actually saying. Just kidding we're back to hedging and why do you want to lynch Risen Oats? Clarity just posted that he was willing to say fuck it and lynch marv because doubt factor not because he finds him scummy. That just happened. Another defense of me. Who do you actually find scummy? Why do you literally defend everyone? Is it because you know everyone else is scum? The only people you don't seem to defend are the people everyone else wants to lynch. Clarity sees the town reads starting to pile on me so he needs to set up someone for the next two lynches. The candidates as he says them are Dirk and suddenly we have some suspicion of HF. Let's see if he goes anywhere with it or waits to see if someone else picks it up. Clarity hedging against a potential Dirk flip here to make it look like he was totally beginning to see the light. Do you know Dirk is town? You'd like to think you're obviously town? And what have you done outside sheep everything, push nothing to make you look that way? Clarity tries calling me out for suspecting people when there's only one scum left. So? What if I'm wrong? That means I need to stop my hunting? That means I need to stop sharing my thought process? Why are you trying to shut down my discussion? Umm... what Clarity? The nice thing about only one scum left is that you can blindly believe marv on HF being town right after you've said you're starting to suspect HF? How many times is Clarity going to say he's town while just sheeping marv? HF was just on Clarity's probably scum list and all of a sudden it's lynch dirk/Risen to win the game. What happened? No one posted a defense, no one said anything beyond marv saying HF is simply town and that's it. And we see why Clarity would shoot Oats now. In spite of having a meh read on HF and a town read on me, he has a total town read on marv and is willing to sheep marv's reads entirely. So lynch dirk, then lynch risen. Ez life indeed. But wait! HF isn't actually town, no you're just "plugging your ears" so you can potentially mislynch him depending on who you choose to take into the final day. More casting of suspicion on HF? Color me shocked. How convenient that a potential bus by you is covered by marv knowing about your past play since he was in that game. Hey look, you're trying to convince someone you've been hedging for a while now to lynch me over marv. Here's the issue, though... how do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch? How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch? Why are you defending marv so hard? No townie should be defending an unflipped person more than one person has expressed doubts about so hard. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Opening post don't know how he can think HF is town and that sloosh are town here, says BH is not a lynch candidate today. Says he needs to wait to see what I am based on what my scumreads are. Calls out Oats, but doesn't actually call out Oats as scum because meta. For some reason says Oats is town b/c pressure on HF but that doesn't apply to me? Trying to buddy Oats? I didn't recognize what you did as pressure but I did recognize what Oats did, that's not difficult to see Something interesting here. Clarity has just called sloosh town, and then a couple posts later he says he doesn't find sloosh town. Feels the need to justify his feelings. That's scummy. Says he's eager to play but the game doesn't have much meat. Not much meat? There's a lot of meat here. You have people voting, people calling other scum or town there is a really good amount of stuff to go on here and instead he sits around doing nothing because there's not enough meat. Why is he sitting in thread doing nothing waiting for other people to do something? There wasn't much to the game at that point, I had commented on everything I found to be useful/worth mentioning This is blending. That's scummy. Sheeps onto Dirk. It's really bugging me that he called himself out for an earlier thing, though. Why are you preemptively defending yourself? Not defending myself, just realized in rereading that my townread on sloosh was bad Clarity sheeps marv on Dirk. Why didn't you see this in the first place? I was thinking and marv jumped on it quickly. In fact I admit that's why I asked marv why he felt like immediately dropping a vote before reading the whole post Clarity supersheep mode activated. No contribution, just parroting marv. What the? Only now that marv is actually having a conversation with dirk do you ask why marv found the vote opportunistic? Because dirk pointed it out, I didn't notice it at the time You literally just saw his reasoning and said, yeah that sounds good to me. That's shady as shit. Are you preparing for a Dirk lynch and him to flip as town by expressing doubt? Clarity brings up sloosh, someone who has very little posting to go off of and what has been posted was already discussed. Why aren't you leading the conversation on sloosh here? Why aren't you contributing yourself? There is a pattern of sheep, sheep, sheep, blend, blend, blend. That's scummy as shit. Sloosh wasn't around there was nothing to go on Clarity calls out a contradiction that isn't there. Really feels like he was sitting there and as soon as he saw something he pounced without thinking it through. Where is the town motivation to do something like that? There's plenty of scum motivation to do so, though. The contradiction post was more of a joke. I don't remember what oats said but it was about me and it was wrong, and he said that right after he said he read the thread. I was implying he didn't, as usual Clarity once again preemptively defends himself by saying if he was scum he would sheep marv. Why even say that? Clarity says long posts are cool. Clarity pushing Dirk pretty damn hard. This clarity/rayn back and forth seems really pushed. Like hey clarity back and forth with me in thread so it looks like I'm contributing explain this better rather than just saying things. I make my case on Clarity Clarity's defense isn't really a defense. It's like he's scummarizing everything I said. He even says yes to some of the things I call him on. The thinjg that sticks out to me most is his sheep of rayn here. Rayn now with a town read on me and Clarity with a read that leaves himself open to go either way and follow rayn or not. Rayn starts pressuring Clarity and all of a sudden just backs down. Clarity again tries to broach the subject of a sloosh lynch. He really doesn't like sloosh. He must really want sloosh lynched. Sloosh even calls him on it. BH comes in and starts up a rayn lynch, Clarity immediately begins to pressure Dirk some more right after BH has just said he won't support a Dirk lynch for the day. Clarity says rayn is the easy lynch. The easy lynch? Yes, he had barely posted or done shit, it was close to being a lurker lynch. If rayn was town he was the easy mislynch to push Clarity starts backing down from his pressure on Dirk. How convenient that Dirk receives an endorsement from BH and you start falling off. Pretty sure I expressed my willingness to move elsewhere before marv/BH Looks like Sloosh should be Clarity's push then. More back and forth on rayn. Yeah sure I could lynch rayn, but then ehh I'll just figure him out later. Clarity really trying to make the appearance that him and marv are on the same page. As was pointed out earlier, town Clarity and marv are always on the same page right guys? Right? Right. Clarity and marv make almost identical posts right here. Clarity and marv make almost identical posts right here. Man, they must be thinking really similar. Something that bugs me, though, is that Clarity keeps bringing this up when really anyone who is around should be making the exact same points these two are making. I found, and still find it amusing So Clarity is asking someone he had a scum read on to join the wagon of justice against sloosh, the person he's slowly been building up to this whole time without blatantly saying it. Yep ?!MGKRLEGKmn$ETGNMELTGNKE$LGNK HOW DID I MISS THIS!? Clarity calls rayn on the point that makes rayn scum to me. Instead of pressuring rayn on this, though, he provides rayn a way to come back off it by shifting things to ME. ? Rayn and Clarity having a small mini discussion while Clarity is missing the glaringly obvious that rayn should not have had a town read like that. Clarity himself says Risen would do that as either alignment, why are you not calling Rayn out here? WHY? That's what I'm doing by saying you could do it as either? Do I need to immediately recognize him as scum for it? I simply discussed rayn's read... You don't find it scummy that rayn is trying to protect me by using a 3P game as evidence of my towniness? Really? Like how is this not screaming "LYNCH RAYN" Clarity defends HF from rayn, though. Why? Are you afraid that your partner is going to get lynched and need to find something outside a vote that will allow you to say "damn see look here I was coming around to him being scum" Clarity again does this. Doesn't vote rayn Clarity sheeps marv's "rayn won't be lynched today by me" point completely setting up a "oh damn I liked what marv had to say about the situation so much I dropped everything I had begun feeling about rayn" I say I'm writing up a case on rayn and he says are you writing a case on me. To me that says Clarity is afraid I've found something and wants to get the jump on it. He's so paranoid it's going to be about him that he doesn't consider it being on anyone else. Preemptively deflecting my case. Says the dumbest, most infuriating thing someone can say to me after I've just explained what I was saying "I dunno, you tell us." I'm getting mad sitting here reading it again. It quite clearly means that rayn is scum because he doesn't care where his vote goes as long as marv leads it so he can later say "Oh marv placed my vote not me". Now that people are saying I have good points at the second half though you conveniently aren't responding to them. Marv at least responded to the very relevant points I brought up on rayn. I don't know how I missed all this. Sloosh and HF are talking about the points I brought up, marv is talking about my points, why aren't you talking about rayn? Why are you avoiding rayn so much? You sheep marv here but don't vote for BH in spite of marv and sloosh being on him at this point. Why? Then you defend BH while simultaneously pushing me. marv's push felt weird/bad. Turns out it was. Like Clarity what happened to your scum reads? Suddenly you're asking who's more likely to flip scum of me and Oats? Is it a coincidence that we are the two people outside sloosh who have pushed you at some point this game? Yes, also when did oats push me? I don't think Clarity looks good post-doctor claim. Why? Clarity is back to pushing sloosh. Just kidding the pressure is back on me. How convenient considering that the person you've been slow rolling so hard is going to flip town and you'll look super scummy. There's me, though, who other people have been expressing doubt about. If there's a definition of opportunistic push Clarity is it here. You can't explain how a scum marv would do that? I can. Easily. Do I think a scum marv would? I guess not, but I know he could do it. A town Clarity should know marv would be capable of it. A scum Clarity who knows marv is town would say something like that, though. Scum use emoticons. How good did that feel Clarity? How good, after you had been soft pushing me forever, did it feel when Sloosh voted me. It must have felt insanely good. Nevermind it's coming from the person you have your vote on, that's enough to covince you that I'm the proper lynch. Clarity doesn't want to overcommit to a mislynch, though, that would make him appear scummy. Instead he asks other people if they're down with lynching me. Rayn isn't happening. In spite of the fact that rayn has more votes than me and people are discussing a rayn lynch, rayn isn't happening. It isn't happening? Or you don't want it to happen. Like HF says he's down with a rayn lynch here, you know BH is down, and that makes 3. So how do you stop a rayn lynch? You flat out say rayn isn't happening and pray. Then you ask rayn in thread sloosh or Risen. At this point rayn has more support for a lynch than me and the thing that convinced you to lynch me is coming from your top scum read. How am I the only one who's caught this? So you are wavering on sloosh, but you're totally willing to lynch me who you simpoly consider a liability? WHAT?! LOOK AT THIS Clarity sees the opportunity to lynch me and set up a sloosh lynch d2 and so he tries to start up a last second train. That would mean rayn and him would get 4 KP off and just win d3 since they now know who the doctor is. Clarity sees rayn trying to cause a no lynch here and is still pressuring me. Why? How do you see what rayn is doing and say, yeah that dude is totally not scum over Risen. And sloosh from earlier is suddenly dropping off for Risen. HOW IS NO ONE SEEING CLARITY IN ALL THIS!? HE JUST VOTED SLOOSH OVER RAYN! Sloosh consolidates onto me and Clarity sees that with a no lynch today, rayn is gone tomorrow. Clarity sees that marv is not moving his vote. He knows how bad it's going to look for him when rayn flips scum. There's nothing left to do, he busses his teammate. Clarity is openly mad in thread following rayn flip. Is he mad because he genuinely doesn't want to play with rayn or because rayn just got himself lynched and now Clarity is all alone. So is all that anger post-flip genuine anger that rayn got himself lynched. How does BH come away with Clarity being town through that? He even says in the same sentence that rayn and Clarity near simultaneously voted sloosh. No BH, Clarity couldn't do that, because he would in effect be declaring himself FOR a no lynch. Clarity prepping himself for sloosh flip by saying "damn sloosh's death post was super sincere I just don't knowwwww" Really clarity? You really want to lynch sloosh? Because before the flip of rayn you were wavering on sloosh. This inconsistency seems like super bullshit to me. Clarity isn't hardly pushing anything outside of defending rayn. Almost nothing has changed pre-flip to post-flip and here is Clarity sheeping marv again. Why are you buddying marv here instead of pointing out how not pro-town an ultimatum it is for marv to be making? Why are you acting like I'm supposed to have a 100% scum read here? The only people with perfect information are scum. Why didn't I catch this earlier? Look, you're trying to misrepresent something, marv calls you on it, and you crawl back into sheeping marv. Hahaha, funny that you're using things to point to a scum sloosh at the end of d1 when if anyone would actually read the end of day 1 you come out looking the MOST scummy by far. How are you way more confident in a sloosh lynch Clarity when just prior to lynch you were wavering. This makes NO SENSE. And you have a town read on marv? Color me shocked. Well thank god you're so certain now on sloosh, because it looks to me like you're leaving yourself open to Oats or Risen should something arise. What have you done with any sort of certainty beyond try and save rayn until you couldn't any longer this game? HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS TO HOLYFLARES POST?! Just earlier you were musing out loud about how you would probably lynch BH if he was alive day 2!!! Once again leaving the door open to lynch me down the road here. He says I called all three of the people not on sloosh scum and that I imply sloosh is town. No, that's not what it was at all. This is Clarity preparing for sloosh townflip. Calls me out for not discussing sloosh when it's more Risen isn't really discussing anyone at all because I've been busy as shit. Why are you fingering one person? More Clarity flailing attempting to poke holes that simply aren't there. He's posting just to post and appear active. Boom marv comes in with a town read on me and suddenly Clarity is back to "yeah Risen totes town" Why do you think I'm town Clarity? You aren't actually saying. Just kidding we're back to hedging and why do you want to lynch Risen Oats? Clarity just posted that he was willing to say fuck it and lynch marv because doubt factor not because he finds him scummy. That just happened. Another defense of me. Who do you actually find scummy? Why do you literally defend everyone? Is it because you know everyone else is scum? The only people you don't seem to defend are the people everyone else wants to lynch. Clarity sees the town reads starting to pile on me so he needs to set up someone for the next two lynches. The candidates as he says them are Dirk and suddenly we have some suspicion of HF. Let's see if he goes anywhere with it or waits to see if someone else picks it up. Clarity hedging against a potential Dirk flip here to make it look like he was totally beginning to see the light. Do you know Dirk is town? You'd like to think you're obviously town? And what have you done outside sheep everything, push nothing to make you look that way? Clarity tries calling me out for suspecting people when there's only one scum left. So? What if I'm wrong? That means I need to stop my hunting? That means I need to stop sharing my thought process? Why are you trying to shut down my discussion? Umm... what Clarity? The nice thing about only one scum left is that you can blindly believe marv on HF being town right after you've said you're starting to suspect HF? How many times is Clarity going to say he's town while just sheeping marv? HF was just on Clarity's probably scum list and all of a sudden it's lynch dirk/Risen to win the game. What happened? No one posted a defense, no one said anything beyond marv saying HF is simply town and that's it. And we see why Clarity would shoot Oats now. In spite of having a meh read on HF and a town read on me, he has a total town read on marv and is willing to sheep marv's reads entirely. So lynch dirk, then lynch risen. Ez life indeed. But wait! HF isn't actually town, no you're just "plugging your ears" so you can potentially mislynch him depending on who you choose to take into the final day. More casting of suspicion on HF? Color me shocked. How convenient that a potential bus by you is covered by marv knowing about your past play since he was in that game. Hey look, you're trying to convince someone you've been hedging for a while now to lynch me over marv. Here's the issue, though... how do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch? How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch? Why are you defending marv so hard? No townie should be defending an unflipped person more than one person has expressed doubts about so hard. I give up, there's just too fucking much, maybe I'll do the rest later if I can be bothered. | ||
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On October 11 2013 05:43 Holyflare wrote: Ltncchhh clarity ggggggg Care to elaborate? | ||
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HF showed effort early but once he was in a comfortable spot (everyone reading him town) he slowed down. He still kinda looks townie to me but not as much as you or risen | ||
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On October 11 2013 06:45 Holyflare wrote: Hahahahahahhahaha so rich coming from you.... Point out the areas that you progressed th town initiative plz .. Oh wait nowhere How about actually interacting with people and making myself readable? How about discussing shit and helping others and myself develop reads? Ever since you got labeled town you've slowed down. | ||
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In aperture I found someone to call scum and I would call them scum until I couldn't get away with it anymore because they were obvious town or they died. Does that sound like this game? Explain me hammering rayn instead of no-lynching/staying on sloosh especially after I shouted I did not want to lynch rayn all day. If I were scum there's no way I switch after stating I am against a rayn lynch that badly because I like to stay consistent as scum. | ||
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On October 11 2013 06:54 Holyflare wrote: Whereas you never started, once a sheep always a sheep? I'm the one that got the ball rolling on sloosh, or did you conveniently forget that? | ||
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On October 11 2013 06:55 Holyflare wrote: I was somewhat certain on sloosh just like marv but you've done nothing but hint about me since sloosh Point out where I have hinted at you. Because I did a bit of analysis on your earlier today when it came to dirk. I was reading dirk and got reminded of his "clinically clean" feel on you, I said I understood where he was coming from now but still thought you were town and thought Risen was scum. Other than that post, where have I hinted about you? | ||
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On October 11 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote: Because if you did this you're an auto-lynch when rayn does actually flip. And you couldn't rely on me not being there and not hammering and making you look terrible. you cannot argue Holy is mafia, he made you switch! I switched to get a lynch, it was 2 min to deadline. It wasn't in response to any particular post. Hi marv. Even if holy made me switch, how does that mean I cannot argue that holy is scum? | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote: This is so fucking stupid. Risen was the right lynch. fu BH | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: I'm looking at 3 of you 1 made the case on rayn and ended up voting after some hokey cokey (Risen) 1 switched right at the end when another asked him to (Clarity) 1 person helped push another to the lynch (Holy) Of the 3, it makes so little sense for Holy to be mafia. He's my strongest townread easily now. Well I don't see how Risen is town after that wall of text. I REALLY don't think it's you. | ||
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1 switched right at the end when another asked him to (Clarity) 1 person helped push another to the lynch (Holy) This is just misrepresenting what happened. | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:05 marvellosity wrote: Put it this way. It's 4-4. Holyflare as mafia asks Clarity as town to switch to his team-mate. I'm not seeing it Ugh. Like I kinda get that, but I can see scum doing it. Holyflare has played a good game but in rereading and general feel (but mainly process of elimination I admit) he has simply been too passive after day 1. He has been riding day 1 towncred all the way to now and if you look at his posts after that point he simply does not seem to be wanting to figure out the game. | ||
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Does scum then, minutes to spare with a possible no lynch, ask me to switch to lynch his scumpartner....?Ugh. Yeah, I see it as possible although definitely not likely. But scum did something unlikely this game. Holy or Risen got on rayn early. I hammered him. marv afk'd None of these would be considered "likely scum play" yet here we all are. Accept that it's possible OR ignore the day 1 lynch for a second and look at holyflare's attitude towards the lynches after day 1. | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote: I literally cannot reconcile a scum Holy with how the lynch went down though. Yet you find it easy to see me as scum"feeling forced" to hammer rayn? The actions of all three of you during the day 1 lynch make no real sense from scum, yet I know for a fact I am town so scum made a play. | ||
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He doesn't make a 2000 word wall as scum, does he?? | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:19 marvellosity wrote: Risen can do ANYTHING as scum. =/ Have you ever seen risen put this much effort into a game as scum? Like, his recent behavior just makes him look like his game of thrones opening post which was like 8 paragraphs worth and called 5 people scum. There was a lot of effort there. | ||
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On October 11 2013 06:55 Holyflare wrote: I was somewhat certain on sloosh just like marv but you've done nothing but hint about me since sloosh Does this statement seem correct to you? | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:22 marvellosity wrote: Check out LIII. There's a lot of words there. Back before deadline. I don't see it. Risen is so passive in that game. Yeah he made a case on you early but after that he did nothing. This game he's made a 1000 word case on everyone.... Fuck man... like I keep thinking back at the oats nk and yeah.... it makes no sense from anyone's pov but holyflare seems more grounded and less likely to do crazy shit like that....... Okay well... I'll be here till deadline, by the looks of things I'm definitely not getting nightkilled like I thought earlier so no more rereading for me tonight, driving myself crazy. | ||
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I had doubts on sloosh because of his deathpost yet d2 you convinced me that it's just one post among scumminess..... I yelled for a risen lynch over rayn for as long as I could simply because I was being practical about who would be more useful, and didn't really like either one as likely to hit scum. What would you have done differently? | ||
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Am I gonna convince Even if I somehow die tonight, it's still Risen. It's not marv because if there's ANYTHING to be said for scum marv it's that all his scumgames look alike. marv has basically explained it best himself. He does not get super emotional and do something blatantly against a town win-con. Any push for a marv lynch needs to be accompanied by an example of him doing something as outrageous as scum as he has this game. (hint: there is no example of this) | ||
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On October 11 2013 08:36 Risen wrote: Clarity the question isn't that, the question is why didn't you believe in the rayn lynch after what he was doing in thread? The fact that you hold onto that train of thought after you vote him makes me think you were simply sticking to it because you'd held it for so long. You thought Rayn would be more useful than me? Really? Rayn, the guy who hadn't actually done anything all day, more useful than me, the guy who had generated discussion with three cases? Here is my rayn train of thoughts regarding lynchtime. rayn his vote is somewhere useless rayn shows up a little time before deadline rayn starts acting like a fucking idiot rayn his vote is being useless elsewhere now How is that scum play??? He moved his vote from somewhere useless to somewhere useless. And yes, based on your case on me and your case on rayn day 1 I felt you were less useless than rayn. | ||
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On October 11 2013 08:41 Risen wrote: Yup, don't respond to anything. You asked for examples and there they are, just shout Risen is scum as loud as you can. Marv is def town because marv is aware of his scum meta and would know not to play to it, got it. HF is town because... oh, nothing there. Is HF dying tonight? Did you already send in your NK and you just forgot to say why HF is town? LOL I cannot respond to a fucking 2000 word case in 20 minutes. I've addressed your main points. You've been heavy on confirmation bias all game but you overdid it. No one is this crazy, it's an act. You've been 100% certain on everyone being scum. Look at what happened to your marv read, it just disappeared the same way your read on me disappeared day 1. | ||
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On October 11 2013 08:42 Risen wrote: How do you miss that rayn was trying to no lynch, BH was shouting it in thread. I don't think town Clarity does that. The fact that even now you don't show any sign of awareness of that shows even more that you're scum. RAYN WAS ON FUCKING I DONT KNOW WHO, WITH HIS SINGLE ONE VOTE THEN HE COMES INTO THE THREAD AND SWITCHES TO SLOOSH FOR LIKE A SECOND AND THEN SWITCHES TO BH, AGAIN AS A SINGULAR VOTE HOW IS HE TRYING TO CREATE A NOLYNCH, HES JUST BEING A MASSIVE TOOL | ||
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On October 11 2013 08:46 Risen wrote: There's nothing crazy in this. The fact that it is long does not make it crazy. My earlier cases were long and filled with all the filler. This case is solid and has given my thoughts everywhere. I tried to shorten it, but how do you shorten a systemic pattern of behavior you have shown throughout the game. This case is NOT crazy. You have not shown any pattern, you have summarized my filter yet again only this time you had the courtesy to link the posts you're summarizing. Too bad you posted 20 minutes to fucking deadline so there's no way whichever townie dies tonight can discuss it. Isn't that convenient for you? | ||
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On October 11 2013 08:48 Risen wrote: So you're admitting now that you just weren't paying attention at the end of day 1. Cool. Yes, because if we're all sure of anything, it's that Clarity has not been involved at all this game. Good argument scum. | ||
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I also think you killed Oats because you needed to justify yourself being alive and you wanted me alive because of "mindmeld". I think the Oats kill was by "correct" standards irrational, and I think you made an error in judgement in killing Oats because you were worried how you'd appear later. I'm insulted by this. | ||
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Further I think you've been casting about today not knowing who is mafia because you know none of us is mafia. At this stage of the game, Holy, Risen, and I all look very townie for hilariously different reasons, so any push on any of us looks terrible You've been the fucking same -.- | ||
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On October 11 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote: No, I've thought you were mafia all day. Thing is, if I'm wrong and you are town, then one of Holy and Risen is wrong about you as well, because one of them must be town. All 3 of us have reached the same conclusion with different methodology. Well that's fucking depressing. Look, I voted rayn Other than the rayn lynch what is there? I wasn't aggressive? What does that even mean. I was happy with the sloosh lynch and I was happy with the dirk lynch, there was nothing to be aggressive about. I tried to push both of them during their lynchdays but sloosh just rolled over and dirk couldn't manage to convince me. You really think I somehow constructed my play to sound like you or something? Like wtf | ||
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On October 11 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote: why would anyone? that's not part of a case on you, that's just my feelings on what occurred. there's no arguing for or against that bit really. Why would anyone indeed. But you know, at least partly, how I think and approach mafia. Oats nk is not really in my realm of possibility | ||
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On October 11 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote: If Risen is mafia he deserves to win for essaying the shit out of that post. When i look over the entire game he's made cases, has scum hunted and makes sense. Clarity you've only sheeped, sat back and done nothing aggressive but hint at others scumminess. No he doesn't deserve the win, don't give it to him. Here's the thing, the stuff Risen has done, no one but Risen would get away with. He decides who is scum and then makes a case, he does so blatantly and although he keeps claiming he wants people to believe in his cases he has not backed them up or pushed them hard. I could make a case on Risen but it would be futile because you already know all the stuff Risen has done and how it can be called scummy (and it is), so I'm just gonna give you a tl;dr version and hope you see it. Do not go idle and lose this game. He made a bad case on me and did not follow up despite being arouind for an hour after my reply. Then when he eventually came back he asks for people's opinion on his case and he asks for my reply (which already exists). Neither of these happen, yet Risen seems unphased. He goes afk again and when he returns he makes a case on rayn instead in the exact same style that marv carefully explained would not convince anyone. Here's the thing though. He still points out that I'm scum at this point, but rayn is scummier. After rayn gets lynched, who does Risen try to push? Who is his next case on? It should be me, right? When is the next time Risen calls me scum? I'll tell you. Last night. There were like 5 days between his original read on me and his follow up. Yet during that time he never seems to have dropped his scumread on me, he just kept finding other people scummier. Do you know why that is? Inbetween the rayn lynch and now Risen has practically made a case on everyone, yet never stuck to them. How many lynches other than the rayn lynch did he seem confident the person was going to flip scum? None of them. He kept making cases on people he knew he wouldn't get lynched. Then a bit later he would retract the cases and say something like "I guess I'm just crazy". That is a common theme by the way, you should just skim his filter and see how often he talks about himself being crazy, or probably being wrong because no one goes with him or something in that style. This is because Risen knows people will not listen to him, but he does not want to associate with the lynching of townies. I ask again, which lynch that happened was Risen actually behind (other than rayn) on the day of that lynch? What happened to his marv read? Does he ever explain why he want from "certain marv is scum" to "town"? Look at how Risen is playing and notice that, yes, there is effort. But there is no aggression. He knew he wouldn't be listened to and he wanted it that way. Risen is scum As for your point on me... I dunno what to tell you. I sheep as town. Sometimes I have a strong day 1 with an early case (mario/titanic) but sometimes I don't (GoT) but I sheep as town nearly every game. Saying I was not aggressive does not mean much, I have been involved and trying to find scum all game, I have not really had to "push" scumreads because I had marv around to talk to instead whom I was confident was town. Your meta read on me is wrong. My short push on you yesterday was dumb and was because I was frustrated with you just going "clarity scum ggggg" I actually refuse to reply to Risen's case. I've realized that it is a bunch of white noise. There is so much stuff in there it overloads your brain and stops you from actually thinking. I'm not sure how you can say that it makes sense, when he basically summarizes my filter and calls things scummy without explaining why they're scummy but it's basically impossible to respond to. I'm around to talk. Do not just sit on your vote and do nothing. | ||
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Well played Risen. I wish you played town decently enough to not get away with this shit, but you played to your meta well. A deserved win. | ||
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Yes, I'm as certain as I can be about Risen. And no, I was hoping marv was gonna stay alive because I have a feeling I could have convinced him in the remaining 48 hours. | ||
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On October 12 2013 12:26 Holyflare wrote: Here's the real thing that makes you scum; you're pushing me to swap to risen, not even contemplating that I may indeed be scum either. You're SO SURE. Risen points out plenty of things that make me look scummy too. If it wasn't for you still being alive it would be me he was voting, no doubt. You completely changed your mind going into this day since his time consuming effort though, even though that seemingly meant he was town. Effort by risen makes you lean towny on him and more scum on me but you're trying to convinve ME to swap. Yeh, no dice bro you're clutching at straws. I changed my mind, it happens. | ||
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Risen points out plenty of things that make me look scummy too Risen has pointed out plenty of things that "make everyone look scummy". That's what happens when you're scum and you don't care who gets lynched as long as it isn't you. Make giant case afk Rage when townie flips | ||
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Risen is afking to victory, he's gonna come in with a giant case 2 hours before deadline again. | ||
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I did drop my scum read on you clarity, because I was convinced Oats or marv had to be scum for trying to misrepresent my end of day 1 play. Marv said he was wrong on that and I felt that was a very town thing to do. I think that's why marv was killed. Before you could have ridden marv or me to a mislynch on the other, after I found him more likely to be town than you that changed and you had to kill one of us. You couldn't kill HF last night because he largely kept his thoughts to himself until the end, even calling us both scum at different parts of the night. Look at him overexplaining why marv got killed when the answer for him should simply be "because he called clarity scum". | ||
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On October 13 2013 04:25 Holyflare wrote: I already know risen is scum, it's just funny hearing you flail. ##Unvote ##Vote: Risen Wot? | ||
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If you had played more with Risen you might feel the same way. He's pretty crazy as town. I should probably stop convincing you that Risen is town, yeah? Okay. | ||
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On October 13 2013 04:33 Holyflare wrote: How so? I always end up looking terrible when there are last minute shennannies against scum because I hardly ever go for them. Had it been plurality instead of majority I wouldn't have even switched. | ||
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On October 13 2013 04:35 Holyflare wrote: How do you know I'm town though? Just because marv said so? I've had a townread on you all game, I doubted it last night but still settled on Risen. I only called you scum when you annoyed me with that "clarity scum ggg", really. Bad play by me. You've looked town all game, basically. | ||
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On October 13 2013 04:37 Holyflare wrote: I was wasted to be fair  Dickwad | ||
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I'm telling you now that if you're somehow town and holyflare scum, you're the main reason town lost =/ So if you're scum using a defense like that, that's just dirty. If you're doing it as town, you're simply wrong. But yeah you scum so, fuck you. | ||
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You had no reason to switch though. Meh. | ||
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On October 13 2013 06:30 Holyflare wrote: I know you're scum bro Is that to me? >.> | ||
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I can't really be bothered to fight it, though. | ||
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Threatening to quit TL mafia as scum because "town is being bad" is pretty low, though. | ||
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On October 13 2013 07:19 Holyflare wrote: I've just been trolling the past 2 pages but I'm still town...? Yes. Scum doesn't troll in this situation ever. | ||
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On October 13 2013 07:29 Risen wrote: So shouldn't scum then therefor troll in this situation? Once again you rely on WIFOM. No. It's not WIFOM. If holyflare is scum he has it won. Trolling does nothing except make him possible lose. Lose-lose move, scum don't do it. My point was that it didn't make him scum, not that it made him town. Already confident he is town so... yeah | ||
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So, everyone who used meta as a defense was correct yet you wish people wouldn't do it. Honestly Risen no one is this delusional, not even you. | ||
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On October 13 2013 07:36 Risen wrote: And why is that? Because you're unwilling to put in any effort? Because I think he's town and so do you? Well, not anymore apparently. You don't care which one of us gets lynched. The moment holy makes it "clear" he's lynching you over me you switch, rather than trying to convince him I'm scum. You kick and scream and life is unfair. You claim holy is clearly scum and then when holy switches back to me you switch again. | ||
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The fact that I've tried to move your vote and you won't budge is what makes you scum. You tried to make me move by going HOLYFLARE IS SCUMMY CAUSE HES TROLLING KILL HIM. I explained why that doesnt make him scum. Then he switches back to me and suddenly everything is alright. | ||
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Besides, after your massive effort I did say wtf how can scum Risen do that. marv was the one telling me it was null cause scum risen is cray cray, he also reinforced my townread on holyflare so. Yeah, sheeping the corpse of marv ftw. The strongest explanation of why you're scum is your willingness to lynch either of us, without caring which. Hopefully holy sees that. | ||
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I've made my thought process throughout the game quite clear. I was happy with the sloosh and dirk lynches but I still tried to get more information. Risen saying I have not been transparent is just wrong. | ||
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On October 11 2013 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote: No he doesn't deserve the win, don't give it to him. Here's the thing, the stuff Risen has done, no one but Risen would get away with. He decides who is scum and then makes a case, he does so blatantly and although he keeps claiming he wants people to believe in his cases he has not backed them up or pushed them hard. I could make a case on Risen but it would be futile because you already know all the stuff Risen has done and how it can be called scummy (and it is), so I'm just gonna give you a tl;dr version and hope you see it. Do not go idle and lose this game. He made a bad case on me and did not follow up despite being arouind for an hour after my reply. Then when he eventually came back he asks for people's opinion on his case and he asks for my reply (which already exists). Neither of these happen, yet Risen seems unphased. He goes afk again and when he returns he makes a case on rayn instead in the exact same style that marv carefully explained would not convince anyone. Here's the thing though. He still points out that I'm scum at this point, but rayn is scummier. After rayn gets lynched, who does Risen try to push? Who is his next case on? It should be me, right? When is the next time Risen calls me scum? I'll tell you. Last night. There were like 5 days between his original read on me and his follow up. Yet during that time he never seems to have dropped his scumread on me, he just kept finding other people scummier. Do you know why that is? Inbetween the rayn lynch and now Risen has practically made a case on everyone, yet never stuck to them. How many lynches other than the rayn lynch did he seem confident the person was going to flip scum? None of them. He kept making cases on people he knew he wouldn't get lynched. Then a bit later he would retract the cases and say something like "I guess I'm just crazy". That is a common theme by the way, you should just skim his filter and see how often he talks about himself being crazy, or probably being wrong because no one goes with him or something in that style. This is because Risen knows people will not listen to him, but he does not want to associate with the lynching of townies. I ask again, which lynch that happened was Risen actually behind (other than rayn) on the day of that lynch? What happened to his marv read? Does he ever explain why he want from "certain marv is scum" to "town"? Look at how Risen is playing and notice that, yes, there is effort. But there is no aggression. He knew he wouldn't be listened to and he wanted it that way. Risen is scum As for your point on me... I dunno what to tell you. I sheep as town. Sometimes I have a strong day 1 with an early case (mario/titanic) but sometimes I don't (GoT) but I sheep as town nearly every game. Saying I was not aggressive does not mean much, I have been involved and trying to find scum all game, I have not really had to "push" scumreads because I had marv around to talk to instead whom I was confident was town. Your meta read on me is wrong. My short push on you yesterday was dumb and was because I was frustrated with you just going "clarity scum ggggg" I actually refuse to reply to Risen's case. I've realized that it is a bunch of white noise. There is so much stuff in there it overloads your brain and stops you from actually thinking. I'm not sure how you can say that it makes sense, when he basically summarizes my filter and calls things scummy without explaining why they're scummy but it's basically impossible to respond to. I'm around to talk. Do not just sit on your vote and do nothing. | ||
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On October 13 2013 04:35 Risen wrote: Gg clarity. No reason for scum HF to do this but then oats kill so meh. On phone until past deadline. ? | ||
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And no, you didn't pressure anyone. The way you've made your cases make it so no one listens to you. You know this, marv has even told you twice on day 1. You are also calling everything and anything scummy. Really though, you betrayed yourself clearly today, and since holy is rereading he'll figure it out. Your eagerness to get a lynch, any lynch, and win that beloved trophy. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:05 Risen wrote: I'm home now. Was on the phone with my grandma helping her get groceries and it usually takes longer. You want me to give an update on my position whenever I move around? "I don't mean to nitpick, but here I am nitpicking don't find it scummy tehe" It usually takes two hours longer? Whatever, it doesn't really mean anything I was just curious if you were typing like a maniac from your phone which would be amusing | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:09 Risen wrote: Nice. Totally refuted my response there buddy. Wait, you didn't, because you can't. To the bolded Isn't HF the one who initially pointed that out? Why are you trying to ride it? I don't think it is? If he did though, he's right. Feel free to find the first time where he said it and the first time I said it and do a side-by-side comparison, then write a novel about it. | ||
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If it comes down to the last minutes and you're willing to switch to holy I will. But swearing that I'm scum, then swearing that holy is scum, then swearing that I'm scum again shows that you don't care about who gets lynched. If you were town you would try to convince holyflare that I'm scum when he votes you. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:21 Holyflare wrote: This can also mean he has no idea and will lynch the person doing scummy shit, this is what I was looking for with my trolling. But he clearly portrayed himself as certain of me being scum, yes? When did he ever say you are scum? Other than his notes, which basically also "proved" marv was scum. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:23 Holyflare wrote: He's now willing to vote me if you do... Not really, no. Only with a minute left if you won't move. Because a 1% chance > 0% chance | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Case closed For god sake. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:20 Clarity_nl wrote: You're scum, switching to holy is dumb because it'll make holy think I'm scum. If it comes down to the last minutes and you're willing to switch to holy I will. But swearing that I'm scum, then swearing that holy is scum, then swearing that I'm scum again shows that you don't care about who gets lynched. If you were town you would try to convince holyflare that I'm scum when he votes you. Reading comprehension, please. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote: I'm kidding, but I'm the only one asking questions about the game here to reach more conclusions. Nobody else is. Risen isn't because he's sure you are scum. I am because i don't know, clarity just isn't he's just pointing out things about now, not questioning earlier decisions As I said early today. Risen gets away with a lot of stuff as scum. I could go back and point it all out, but it wouldn't make HIM scum, because he's crazy. Plus his lylo play has been most telling anyway, and should convince you | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:29 Risen wrote: A town Clarity thinks my LYLO play today is worse than HF's, I don't buy it. That's because you've said all game that trolling equals scummy, when you are simply wrong. Besides, as holy has pointed out he was fishing for reactions. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:30 Holyflare wrote: You should be pointing out things in case i miss them Really, the vote swap today is all you need to see. Risen calling himself crazy a bunch during the game should also be very telling about how much he didnt want people to listen to him. Never backing up his cases, or interacting with people that discuss his cases, is also telling. I really dunno what else to tell you. He's scum, you're either gonna see it or you're not. | ||
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Why are you still arguing that holy is playing bad/scummily when you think I'm scum?? | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:37 Risen wrote: Because if he does end up being scum he needs to know that this wasn't his win it was your loss, and you need to understand how bad you are. He's not scum, you are. I'm not sorry about that one, though. The fact that you are still trying to convince me holy is scum while having your vote on me is ridiculous. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:40 Risen wrote: And anything anti-town is scummy. If your actions are not moving the game towards a town victory and are just meant to piss other people off then that is scummy. What HF did today was scummy. It was enough to make me move my vote, and yet not enough to make you move yours. You know he's town. You are scum. Wrong. Here's the thing, I think you believe this too. This is how crazy you are. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:56 Holyflare wrote: If you were town you'd 100% push me to switch till deadline, or should. Yelling, kicking and screaming doing anything to make me switch/us to win. I have been. I don't do emotional defense. Emotional attacks maybe. I thought you read my other games? whatever | ||
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On October 13 2013 09:04 Risen wrote: My problem with being lynched was that you two were playing so poorly. If you would have put some effort in and made an actual case I wouldn't have gotten mad. Thank you for hosting iamp! You are ridiculous, the fact that you believe your own shit while you are scum proves that. | ||
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So Clarity, how does it feel to be right about scum on D1, but town ends up lynching another scum, and because you were not on the wagon of the flipped scum D1 (even thought you were right and were pushing lynch on hidden scum) you are getting lynched and may lose town the game? Welcome to the club. Can't Believe all over again. Feels great | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...urrentpage=104#2066 : 'because it makes no sense for HF to do it. HF has been riding his town cred since day 1 and wouldn't shoot Oats here. Town would mislynch itself into a loss if he was scum and simply shot me or Clarity. He'd have to be trolling to do something like that. It's just a matter of WHY do that for him? I can't see it anywhere making sense.' in the same post 'I am going to read Clarity and HF's filters very closely tomorrow' all friggen right I guess risen Nice catch umasi. I'm sad that I didn't notice that. | ||
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On October 13 2013 09:33 Risen wrote: I was rooting for town the entire way, too :/ I just wanted you guys to get better. There is something wrong with you. | ||
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On October 13 2013 09:41 Risen wrote: If I was town the lynches would have gone rayn d1, Oats d2, marv d3, HF d4. So very similar to what actually happened. I think that's the problem. I'm more pro-town than actual town players. If people weren't running around trying to make big plays Coag's pants on head model wouldn't work. So, in the future you don't have to play with me, that's fine. If you stop relying on meta so much and actually read the game I'll have considered my job done. HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS | ||
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On October 13 2013 21:16 Tunkeg wrote: Risen have every right to talk like he does postgame. When you start postgamediscussion by being BM as fuck you deserve nothing less: It's the truth, though. and I am definitely taking an extended break at the very least. When bad town players play bad scum and get away with it and then brag about it, it's just depressing. The fact that he called himself more pro-town than the town players and believes it makes me nauseous. | ||
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The reason you acted the way you did this game is because of meta. If we looked objectively at your play without meta every game you'd always get lynched. | ||
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Nah because I see the difference now. My point is that meta is an important part of the game and simply saying that it should never be used is way too narrow minded. | ||
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On October 14 2013 04:05 Oatsmaster wrote: So you don't push anything d1, guess what, TOWNIES DO THAT TOO!! Also scumslips dont exist. Have you found a legitimate scumslip as town Risen? But oats, that's anti-town and therefore scummy!!!! | ||
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On October 14 2013 04:31 Risen wrote: So start lynching bad towns who will hold you down in the endgame anyways? Lynch them til they learn? Make TL Mafia a better place in the future? Nice in theory, but in practice it means losing a game on purpose to possibly have the next game be better. And I don't know about you but with the effort I put into games I don't want them to be meaningless. | ||
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Is there anyone willing to give me some constructive criticism on my play this game? | ||
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That's why my meta looked off to you. I sheep when people are making sense and I agree, I make original content when I don't. Until marv made that case on me I thought I looked obviously town as always :D | ||
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