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On October 13 2013 08:11 Holyflare wrote:
What I don't understand risen is why you made a case on rayn straight after returning? Just because he used meta and called you town? Other people also said things to that effect but they didn't get cases on them.
I clearly just said I read up to where I was, then decided to make a case. It wasn't JUST him calling me town. It was that combined with an avoidance of sloosh in spite of the thread actively talking about sloosh around him.
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EBWOP: And no one else strictly said, "Risen is town because meta" like rayn did. The first thing a townie should do is establish himself as town, and that's fine and dandy, but town players should never give out strict town reads like that, because you never know.
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Also, Clarity, you're once again betraying yourself as scum. An eagerness to get a lynch that isn't me when I know I'm not scum and someone else is is not scummy. If I can't get you, my main scum read, then I'll gladly take the person that isn't me and I don't have as confirmed town.
On October 04 2013 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:
RISEN IS OBVIOUS TOWN HES TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE TO AVOID A NOLYNCH COME ON GUYS
Town players know they are town and when given the choice between them and not them they will vote not them. Clarity your insistence on praying for HF to change his mind is scummy. No, this isn't a no lynch situation, but it is a situation of "I'm not scum, HF is trolling the thread, clearly I should be trying to get not me lynched."
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Like how do you go from wiffle waffle HF/Risen scum last night, to only having a case that's a TL;DR on me while still managing to be horribly misrepresentative? Because I scum hunted? Because I actually went and made a case? That's what creams scum to you?I refuse to think you went through HF's filter and found nothing scummy about it that you would be forced to misrepresent me like you have.
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On October 13 2013 08:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 08:14 Risen wrote:On October 13 2013 08:11 Holyflare wrote:
What I don't understand risen is why you made a case on rayn straight after returning? Just because he used meta and called you town? Other people also said things to that effect but they didn't get cases on them. I clearly just said I read up to where I was, then decided to make a case. It wasn't JUST him calling me town. It was that combined with an avoidance of sloosh in spite of the thread actively talking about sloosh around him. Well that's where it makes 0 sense. If sloosh was his partner, sure he'd avoid talking about it. If sloosh was town ray would just talk about him. So how is it you don't want sloosh lynched the next day.. Surely he's rays scum partner?? Misrepresentation argument is bad because marv misread it which was obvious from what he was posting, just like you Misread BH's rng post but portrayed me and him as not RNGing.
Surely? No. An avoidance of talking about someone doesn't mean that person is scum. It can be a factor, but it isn't open and shut in any way.
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On October 13 2013 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 08:22 Risen wrote:
Like how do you go from wiffle waffle HF/Risen scum last night, to only having a case that's a TL;DR on me while still managing to be horribly misrepresentative? Because I scum hunted? Because I actually went and made a case? That's what creams scum to you?I refuse to think you went through HF's filter and found nothing scummy about it that you would be forced to misrepresent me like you have. He's now willing to vote me if you do...
What? No. Not now, there's no point to swap now. Now it's just a desperate scum attempting a last second vote swap. If he had done it while you were trolling it would be a different story. Now it's almost identical to the rayn situation. A town Clarity would see the trolling and consider a move. Scum Clarity knows this is his only chance.
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On October 13 2013 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 08:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
You're scum, switching to holy is dumb because it'll make holy think I'm scum.
If it comes down to the last minutes and you're willing to switch to holy I will.
But swearing that I'm scum, then swearing that holy is scum, then swearing that I'm scum again shows that you don't care about who gets lynched. If you were town you would try to convince holyflare that I'm scum when he votes you. Reading comprehension, please.
If HF's vote on me hadn't been so fuckin trollsy I would have tried. He came in without a case and was fucking with me on purpose, though. How do you reason with that? I made my case on you, I did my fuckin best. If he's going to troll there and you're not going to see his trolling as scummy, then that means you are scum who knows he's town.
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On October 13 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm kidding, but I'm the only one asking questions about the game here to reach more conclusions. Nobody else is. Risen isn't because he's sure you are scum. I am because i don't know, clarity just isn't he's just pointing out things about now, not questioning earlier decisions As I said early today. Risen gets away with a lot of stuff as scum. I could go back and point it all out, but it wouldn't make HIM scum, because he's crazy. Plus his lylo play has been most telling anyway, and should convince you
A town Clarity thinks my LYLO play today is worse than HF's, I don't buy it.
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No, fuck that. My LYLO play is worse than HF's? Are you fuckin kidding me? I hunted during last night, when we knew it was LYLO. I put in work, you did not. HF trolled. You say my LYLO play is worse than HF's? Now you really are just trying to desperately buddy him.
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On October 13 2013 08:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 08:29 Risen wrote:On October 13 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 13 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm kidding, but I'm the only one asking questions about the game here to reach more conclusions. Nobody else is. Risen isn't because he's sure you are scum. I am because i don't know, clarity just isn't he's just pointing out things about now, not questioning earlier decisions As I said early today. Risen gets away with a lot of stuff as scum. I could go back and point it all out, but it wouldn't make HIM scum, because he's crazy. Plus his lylo play has been most telling anyway, and should convince you A town Clarity thinks my LYLO play today is worse than HF's, I don't buy it. That's because you've said all game that trolling equals scummy, when you are simply wrong. Besides, as holy has pointed out he was fishing for reactions.
Trolling is anti-town. End of story. There are other ways to get responses. You know what else would have gotten a response? HF could have made a bad case on me and measured my response. Trolling is anti-town. The trolling from his anti-town may, in the end, work out, but that doesn't justify it. Everyone on TL acts like the ends justify the means, they don't. In the short term it may work out, but in the long run if HF is town I hope he stops that shit. It isn't pro-town, and saying it is is just wrong and you buddying him.
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On October 13 2013 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 08:30 Holyflare wrote:On October 13 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 13 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm kidding, but I'm the only one asking questions about the game here to reach more conclusions. Nobody else is. Risen isn't because he's sure you are scum. I am because i don't know, clarity just isn't he's just pointing out things about now, not questioning earlier decisions As I said early today. Risen gets away with a lot of stuff as scum. I could go back and point it all out, but it wouldn't make HIM scum, because he's crazy. Plus his lylo play has been most telling anyway, and should convince you You should be pointing out things in case i miss them Really, the vote swap today is all you need to see. Risen calling himself crazy a bunch during the game should also be very telling about how much he didnt want people to listen to him. Never backing up his cases, or interacting with people that discuss his cases, is also telling. I really dunno what else to tell you. He's scum, you're either gonna see it or you're not.
1) That vote swap is in my favor and not in yours. The fact that you're pretending not the see it is scummy.
2) Find me examples, please, I'm tired of hearing this. I expect my cases to be read and discussed or I wouldn't make them.
3) I do back up my cases. Day 1 I was extremely busy, and that's on me, but that's literally all you have and you keep repeating it hoping it will come true and it's not. I interact with anyone who discusses my cases instead of just shouting them down as stupid. You misrepresenting what I do is very telling. Just look at my case, it's almost all Clarity does is misrepresent things in the game.
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On October 13 2013 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, it's anti-town. But that doesn't make it scummy. Sorry.
Why are you still arguing that holy is playing bad/scummily when you think I'm scum??
Because if he does end up being scum he needs to know that this wasn't his win it was your loss, and you need to understand how bad you are.
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EBWOP: You need to see the flaws in your play so you can get better.
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And anything anti-town is scummy. If your actions are not moving the game towards a town victory and are just meant to piss other people off then that is scummy. What HF did today was scummy. It was enough to make me move my vote, and yet not enough to make you move yours. You know he's town. You are scum.
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On October 13 2013 08:39 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 08:37 Risen wrote:On October 13 2013 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, it's anti-town. But that doesn't make it scummy. Sorry.
Why are you still arguing that holy is playing bad/scummily when you think I'm scum?? Because if he does end up being scum he needs to know that this wasn't his win it was your loss, and you need to understand how bad you are. He's not scum, you are. I'm not sorry about that one, though. The fact that you are still trying to convince me holy is scum while having your vote on me is ridiculous.
You're misunderstanding or trying to misrepresent me again, I honestly don't know which one it is at this point. I always talk to my scum reads because I could be wrong. Your refusal to even consider a scum HF is scummy. I'm pointing that out in every single one of my posts. I'm pointing out what HF did that was scummy, and pointing out how you somehow magically don't find it scummy. That is more scummy.
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On October 13 2013 08:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
If I were misrepresenting things all game, as either alignment, I wouldn't have made it to lylo.
Anyway, I'll answer questions you ask holy, but am not gonna post other than that. Getting tired of Risen.
Really? Because I don't think that's true. People simply sheeped the day 1 cases that were there the entire game instead of actually look into people until I did it. I am the one who went digging and progressed the game. So I DO see how you could make it to LYLO as scum misrepresenting things.
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On October 13 2013 08:43 Holyflare wrote:
My trolling was to get a reaction, the game rests on my vote. I got my reaction and made my vote. There is nothing more towny than that.
I'm saying you needlessly pissed me off. You didn't need to troll there and I almost rage quit the game which would have allowed a Clarity victory (if he's scum). You could have simply made a breadcrumb that you would make a bad case and then make the case to see my response. Or you could have breadcrumbed that you were going to troll, but you didn't. Simply doing things like that isn't pro-town.
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On October 13 2013 08:47 Clarity_nl wrote:Risen switching between sure I'm scum and doubting is hilarious. Yet talking to me he's "raging" and talking to you (holy) he's trying to convince you.
Doubt - that thing town players have when they don't have perfect information.
Complete confidence - that thing scum players have when they know the alignment of other player in the game.
And I'm the one who made the case on you. Marv agreed with not just my read on you, but HF's meta read as well. HF was the only one you could bring in today who had waffled on your alignment during the night.
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On October 13 2013 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Risen isn't even around. You should change instead, still have time.
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On October 13 2013 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
I like winning
So do I.
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