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On October 08 2013 09:19 Pandain wrote:
What happened to not believing association when it came to FT and SnB?
You ignored my evidence that FT was town, have he weirdest relationship with Vayne ever, do have inconsistencies and haven't ever definitively helped town.
There are five unconfirmed and you are the most suspicious.
The association betwen SnB and FT was just something I threw on top of my original case. The icing on the case, if you will.
It was not that main basis for my scumread on him, whereas everyone's association with Palmar or me saying SnB is 'dropping bombs' is apparently enough for people to assume I'm scum.
Vayne understands my relationship with him completely. Anyone who has played a game with Vayne understands it. You are new to him, so I disregard your opinion on that ocmpletely.
Show me inconsistencies and I will show you how they're wrong.
I haven't ever helped town?
Fuck you Pandain.
I pushed for you to get modkilled last game after I was dead because you played dirty. Don't you DARE try to misrepresent all of the effort I have put in for this town.
DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE.
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On October 08 2013 09:22 Pandain wrote:
I mean you just claimed town cred through activity it would be dumb to bus when you don't need to.
I was actually going to push CC but maybe I'll push you now
I"M FUCKING TERRIFIED
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On October 08 2013 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
I specifically asked for Rayn's input because he's confirmed town. When Austin gave me his input, yes, I joked that I didn't want it...but I then went on to discuss CR with him. Did you skip that part? Or were you just looking for something to discredit me with? Or what?
The fact of the matter is that the rest of this game is going to be difficult, and I'm trying to explore ALL options.
I made a post that explains why I think you're more likely Banger than CR and Pandain. If I'm wrong then fine, but at least I know that I was wrong after reading and coming to my own conclusion. Association is HOW you find mafia, so no I'm not going to just 'drop the association cases' because that's fucking dumb. If you think they should hold less weight, then that's your prerogative. Right now we have three flipped scum, so I'm going to look through their filters and the filters of everyone in the game to see how they all line up because that's how the fucking game is played.
Then at least have the common decency to bring it to me as well without telling me that you're not going to consider what people have to say.
Like Oats or Koshi, for example (not that I necessarily blame you on that front lololol).
CR honestly doesn't give a shit this game.
Period.
Thinking about it now, I might up him on my scumlist.
CR/Pandain and one of Austin/VA.
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On October 08 2013 09:24 Pandain wrote:
Why do you have a town read on Vayne and of ignoring when you said he was 100% scum.
Why did you not try to get others to vote for Vayne.
Why haven't you been helping guide blue actions or give advic.
We'll start with that
Where is my townread on Vayne?
SHow me.
Pandain. Are you honestly insinuating I got no one to try and vote for Vayne WHEN I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO FUCKING DO SO ON D1.
If you're trying to get me to tunnel you, good work. You're going down tomorrow.
Vayne, scum or town, help me lynch this fucker.
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On October 08 2013 09:28 Pandain wrote:
I haven't defended Austin I just think he's more likely town. I've put suspicion on him though not much because he is putting way too much effort into the game, though that doesn't preclude him.
WoS calm down its a game, I've noticed your playing suspicious and I'm sharing my points, you bringing up past games in which I've already apologized doesn't relate to this.
I'm saying you have done no action this game which definitively helped town.
Didn't help lynch Vayne or Palmar.
Tried to lynch FT.
Haven't really been helping atmosphere
These are my views that you can address
I am addressing all of it, and it is fucking biased.
Just because I didn't vote for the proper candidates has nothing to do with how much I have or haven't helped.
I have been constantly discussing and interrogating. I have been doing my fucking utmost to help town win this game, and it honestly insults to my core that you misrepresent me so much as to say that I have not done anything to help.
Just because I haven't been right doesn't mean I haven't helped, or at the very least FUCKING TRIED.
I don't care if people think I am faking emotion right now I am fucking FURIOUS at you because it is a flat out LIE.
Does anyone else agree with that?
Fuck the other stuff, arguments can me made either way, fine, I accept. I can defend myself against that other stuff np.
But to say that I have done nothing to help,, and that (aside from D1) actually hindered the town due to atmosphere?
Fuck that.
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On October 08 2013 09:28 Pandain wrote:
I haven't defended Austin I just think he's more likely town. I've put suspicion on him though not much because he is putting way too much effort into the game, though that doesn't preclude him.
WoS calm down its a game, I've noticed your playing suspicious and I'm sharing my points, you bringing up past games in which I've already apologized doesn't relate to this.
I'm saying you have done no action this game which definitively helped town.
Didn't help lynch Vayne or Palmar.
Tried to lynch FT.
Haven't really been helping atmosphere
These are my views that you can address
Oh and for the record, considering your usage of tactics, trying to make me rage out so you can easily mislynch me is definitely a scum tactic I can see you making use of.
Just fucking LOW.
I am no Geript, and I am no VE (sorry dude).
I will not fucking give up on this town.
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On October 08 2013 09:53 Pandain wrote:
As for atmosphere it's because you focused way too long on solstice and not on more scum hunting which is just one of the points
Oh excuse me for wanting to get scum lynched.
I'm sorry that creates a bad atmsophere.
You literally just pick out anything you want and try to use it against me, huh?
I can do it too.
You DIDN'T focus on solstice enough and so maybe you're his teammate trying to distract us!
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Are you going to show me now how I didn't truly want to get Solstice lynched because I was waffling and ruining the atmosphere during the whole day? Come on Pandain!
I can come up with my own scum case against me!
I can use basically anything at all!
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On October 08 2013 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
What was going on when s0L claimed scum? Like, not to Cheese, I mean in the thread. What was happening when he decided "You know what, this has gone on long enough"?
Rayn was on Vayne.
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And Austin was attacking him.
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I'm actually giving myself a fucking ulcer over Pandain and this game right now.
I will take a break but I will be back if there are people around to discuss things later.
And then I'll probably give myself a bigger ulcer as I lose some League games.
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On October 08 2013 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote:This was the part I was interested in. s0Lstice put a LOT of effort into that claim. Go back and look at it - not for info, just to gaze upon its glory. It was everything I've ever wanted any of my fake-claims in the past to be. So WHY did he claim scum all of a sudden?
Oh you mean this?
Peace out.
On October 08 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Random thought: Solstice did you babyseal so as to end discussion for the rest of the day? (making you a baller)
Maybe didn't bank on Rayn's 'make a deal' scenarios?
Solstice could very well be wasting our time right at the end right now and have no intention in considering a deal.
Anyway carry on.
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On October 08 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay peace out then. I don't know why I bother.
Did you not read my post?
I brought that up when it fucking happened.
Nobody commented aside from SOlstice himself.
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On October 08 2013 10:33 austinmcc wrote:
(Koshi do whatever you want with the night action. You know townies, you know who might be scum, you appear to be able to make good decisions on your own)
This, but I'm fine if you want to take Rayn's suggestion too. Although I suppose shooting me means scum kill you so maybe that's not the best option?
On October 08 2013 10:30 austinmcc wrote:
WoS.
Do you have specific suspicions for last MCB? I know you felt like that was a wild goose chase, but tonight we have solstice being sure scum and oats being sure town. The options have narrowed substantially, and there's another cycle of posts to look through.
I specifically ask because I agree with VE that if you're scum, you're MCB and not DRB. Seeing MCB flip would clear you in my mind (the chance you're DRB is way too low to lynch at over others)
Ugh. I'll try and take a look at some point but I don't trust myself much anymore this game, never mind trying to make association cases which I'm bad at to begin with.
VE, we found scum, I wanted to lynch scum. It's pretty simple. Everyone can make up all the reasoning in the world they want, but in the end it's the simple things that all make sense.
What is simpler about all of my behaviour this game?
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Like, best guess right off the bat is probably CR for MCB just because he'd be doing EXACTLY what is best for the final MCB to do right now.
Hide and be non-threatening to the other scumteam.
Also Austin seems to think so, his reads have been tons better than mine this game, and he may half-have my back right now so I have to latch onto whatever support I can muster atm.
I'll dig for associations later.
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On October 08 2013 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey Wave - you've been wrong about every single lynch in the entire game. Having played with you I know you're not only capable of finding scum, but able to recognize good logic when it appears.
What's the simpler explanation to accept:
Wave is Scum ____
Wave is Town ____
Please check all that apply.
(When you're done making the simplicity argument, I'm willing to have further discussion with you.)
Would you like me to find you other examples of me being wrong in a lot of games?
lol In my ONLY scumgame I fucking bussed the everloving shit out of my team!
I was the ONLY person who focused JJD throughout the entire game!
The simple explanation is ACTUALLY that I am wrong. I can think of zero reason why it would make sense for me as scum to purposefully be wrong about all of my scumreads and draw attention to myself about that, and basically everything else this game.
Search your feelings, brother.
You know it to be true.
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I refuse to drop that argument because it is what led me to being on the only scumlynch I have been a part of this game, and I didn't get there by sheeping anyone. You can always say it was 'obvious,' of course, but considering all of the discussion being had on the topic, I am happy regarding my play yesterday for making the right play.
The simple play.
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Thank goodness you added that heart because I was about to drop more f-bombs.
VE, I don't know what else you want me to say about that. I didn't want to take any unnecessary risks. I have been accused 100 times about the same thing. I am not going to change my story.
I am not going to lie about any of my motivations this game or anything I did to make myself look better.
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On October 08 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So WoS, you want Koshi to be alive as conf town instead of you being alive as conf town right?
But you won't know if that's what he actually did.
Otherwise I wouldn't mind.
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On October 08 2013 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm just salty because it means that I'm GOING to die tonight. You could have saved me. And you chose the path of darkness. For the town?
Considering scum know your vest is down you were dead anyway.
Even without Bangers that's still 2 KP for the ballers.
Come on.
You're really going to put it all on me?
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