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On October 06 2013 11:35 s0Lstice wrote: let's start here. I did claim scum to CC, but I am not scum, I am the other cop we'll get to Koshi in a lil bit If you were the other cop, you should have claimed it ages ago when Koshi first came out. | ||
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It is clear through solstice's filter, and if he was scum, then this was all planned out very well. He gave a legitimate excuse for everything, even when he's on the spot and not given a lot of time to respond. This tells me that everything was preconstructed and thought over. Other alternative would be that he's genuinely the cop, but I wouldn't say that. There could be two scenarios in this, solstice is the last banger, or solstice is the a part of the three man team. If solstice is the last banger, then he intent may be to coordinate some sort of attack with the other scumteam. The only one I can think of would be to roleblock Koshi and then KP him. That would avoid Koshi's actions stopping or redirecting the kill. But what doesn't make sense is why that would be a better alternative than to use driveby and do it yourself the next night? Maybe he was just being very cautious and didn't want the worst case scenario where Koshi gets double weeded and double KPed by both teams. I think overall it is very unlikely that solstice is the last banger. If solstice is a part of the three man team, then this was all planned out. We must see some sort of strategy that's being coordinated between 3 people. There are three ways that the scumteam can benefit from this. The first strategy is to bus solstice for it so they look town, so when solstice flips, the obvious targets would be those who tried to defend him. Many of us fit this right now. The second strategy is to actually try and get a mislynch on Koshi. If this were the case, one of the mafia would be someone who's asking the right questions to solstice in order to get the information out there that solstice may likely be town. I think WoS and austincc are most guilty of this right now. The last strategy is to prevent solstice from being lynched today by saying that it is a bad idea to lynch either solstice or koshi, and try to push for a mislynch. Austin fits this strategy. I would say that overall, it is quite likely that austin may actually be in a scumteam with solstice, even though my reads on him thus far have been town. I would also like to bring up another scenario that hasn't been considered yet, and I think may be likely. I think that it could be the case that both solstice and cc are in the same mafia team and this is all a ploy. After the last banger and Koshi dies, the only thing the scumteam has to do to win is to get one person trusted, so that it will eventually be down to one mafia one town, and then mafia wins. Doing this kinda plan after Koshi and the last banger dies would be too suspicious, so they are doing it now, because Koshi and the last banger will die fairly soon. It's the perfect timing. So this ploy is basically to get CC confirmed as town. Then there's the question of who the last mafia member is. As I already stated, I think this was all preplanned and thought over. So if all mafia is trying to do is to make CC look town, they don't actually need an elaborate plan. Solstice can just flop and ragequit and it would accomplish the same thing. So who's taking advantage of the fact that Solstice is explaining everything very well? I think that person is austincc. He's asking the right questions to make solstice flesh out the plan, and then he's also pushing that we don't lynch solstice this turn and try to push the lynch onto another person. This tells me that the most likely three would be solstice/cc/ausintcc. Either way, we have to lynch solstice today, since if he turns out to be the last banger, or even the cop, it would give us all the information we need to know exactly who to lynch the next day. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Jesus. Why don't you post more often again? I did some casual posting when the fakeclaim first started happening, but then it occurred to me that there's a good chance the other scum is a part of the discussion. The best read I could give is if I don't pollute the discussion. | ||
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On October 08 2013 10:43 austinmcc wrote: Okay. Amend that statement to "the reasons why I think WoS could be scum," and, afaik, "the reasons why VE thinks WoS could be scum." Like, I don't mind that his CR read changed somewhat. It now matches mine, which I don't find scummy, and I would HOPE that people are slowly realizing CR has just not contributed for more than a WEEK of play. The no time/busy excuse doesn't hold up for that period of time, and his lack of motivation/care/whatever contrasts heavily with his play in his other two games. I don't mind that he says you/VA. I'm not sure if he's putting you together, or options (pick one from each set of /s), or what. There have been boatloads of lazy scumteams crafted by people in this game, he's not the first. His post about me being scummy, but not for "this" makes sense in whatever context he wrote it. Someone called me scummy for something, and WoS dropped that. I don't think there's much to go on with him being scum, apart from Palmar. We may disagree there. But even if there's SOME scummy stuff in his filter, we're now moving to D5. We're gonna have scummy stuff in filters. And whatever there may be that makes him look scummy, I don't think it looks scummier than CC/VA. I haven't posted much recently, but I have actually been following the thread very closely today and yesterday. I will definitely being around tomorrow as well. I have been shying away from casual posting since everyone else has been doing a good job of it and I'm really not sure how to contribute in that regard. I have a lot of new reads, and I divided it into different scenarios of who dies tonight. Hopefully it will may be of some help if I am killed tonight. I have it typed up and it's pretty lengthy, and I will be posting it right before the night ends. Right now I have a lot of time so I can actively participate more if you like. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:04 Chairman Ray wrote: I have read through all the copclaim stuff a few times now and I think I have a good read on what has happened. It is clear through solstice's filter, and if he was scum, then this was all planned out very well. He gave a legitimate excuse for everything, even when he's on the spot and not given a lot of time to respond. This tells me that everything was preconstructed and thought over. Other alternative would be that he's genuinely the cop, but I wouldn't say that. There could be two scenarios in this, solstice is the last banger, or solstice is the a part of the three man team. If solstice is the last banger, then he intent may be to coordinate some sort of attack with the other scumteam. The only one I can think of would be to roleblock Koshi and then KP him. That would avoid Koshi's actions stopping or redirecting the kill. But what doesn't make sense is why that would be a better alternative than to use driveby and do it yourself the next night? Maybe he was just being very cautious and didn't want the worst case scenario where Koshi gets double weeded and double KPed by both teams. I think overall it is very unlikely that solstice is the last banger. If solstice is a part of the three man team, then this was all planned out. We must see some sort of strategy that's being coordinated between 3 people. There are three ways that the scumteam can benefit from this. The first strategy is to bus solstice for it so they look town, so when solstice flips, the obvious targets would be those who tried to defend him. Many of us fit this right now. The second strategy is to actually try and get a mislynch on Koshi. If this were the case, one of the mafia would be someone who's asking the right questions to solstice in order to get the information out there that solstice may likely be town. I think WoS and austincc are most guilty of this right now. The last strategy is to prevent solstice from being lynched today by saying that it is a bad idea to lynch either solstice or koshi, and try to push for a mislynch. Austin fits this strategy. I would say that overall, it is quite likely that austin may actually be in a scumteam with solstice, even though my reads on him thus far have been town. I would also like to bring up another scenario that hasn't been considered yet, and I think may be likely. I think that it could be the case that both solstice and cc are in the same mafia team and this is all a ploy. After the last banger and Koshi dies, the only thing the scumteam has to do to win is to get one person trusted, so that it will eventually be down to one mafia one town, and then mafia wins. Doing this kinda plan after Koshi and the last banger dies would be too suspicious, so they are doing it now, because Koshi and the last banger will die fairly soon. It's the perfect timing. So this ploy is basically to get CC confirmed as town. Then there's the question of who the last mafia member is. As I already stated, I think this was all preplanned and thought over. So if all mafia is trying to do is to make CC look town, they don't actually need an elaborate plan. Solstice can just flop and ragequit and it would accomplish the same thing. So who's taking advantage of the fact that Solstice is explaining everything very well? I think that person is austincc. He's asking the right questions to make solstice flesh out the plan, and then he's also pushing that we don't lynch solstice this turn and try to push the lynch onto another person. This tells me that the most likely three would be solstice/cc/ausintcc. Either way, we have to lynch solstice today, since if he turns out to be the last banger, or even the cop, it would give us all the information we need to know exactly who to lynch the next day. Just a recap from my last read, I think that the whole solstice fake-cop claim was planned out, and it is a fair assumption that both other scum teammates are a part of the plan. There are two outcomes to the plan - solstice gets lynched, or someone random gets lynched. There's also the outcome that Koshi gets lynched, but at that point mafia has such a huge advantage, so no point analyzing that scenario. I think the motivation behind the whole fake cop-claim was that the scumteam believed there was a good chance that solstice would be lynched by the end of the day. This plan would enable a better chance of solstice's survival, or it would make austinmcc and CC look more town. They had to pull it off at the beginning of the day because if solstice gets voted heavily on and then they try to pull it off, then it may look suspicious. Firstly, the scenario where solstice does not get lynched, and the lynch gets pushed onto someone else. We have to go back and look at who has been pushing to lynch outside solstice/koshi, and who has been agreeing with it. Outside people who have already been confirmed as town, only austinmcc fits that bill. He was pushing pretty hard that the best case is for neither koshi nor solstice to be lynched. He posted a lot of math explaining why that's the best option, which ended up in this conclusion: On October 07 2013 04:50 austinmcc wrote: If we lynch NEITHER cop claimer today, the math is actually better for us tonight. Again, scum is either dealing with having to protect solstice OR dealing with an extra protect FROM solstice onto town If austinmcc were scum with solstice, I would totally expect that the math would be correct, otherwise why would they go for it in the first place? That makes sense if they were both scum. But what if austinmcc was town? Would he support lynching outside of solstice? Personally, after I read the entire argument of why solstice is cop, it was still fairly obvious to me that solstice is the mafia, and I think it was fairly obvious to everyone else as well. But what happens if we leave them both alive? That would mean Koshi would probably die. Koshi's choices are to block KP, shoot solstice, bus solstice, or bus a random. Scum can shoot Koshi, shoot someone else, or shoot solstice in anticipation of a bus. For Koshi, blocking KP would only stall one turn in favor of scum, so that shouldn't be an option. Shooting solstice would leave him vulnerable to the bangers. Bussing with solstice leaves him vulnerable to the scum shooting solstice. Bussing with a random person would be countered by the scum shooting someone at random. Koshi will probably have to bus himself no matter what. No matter what option Koshi does, it will either be a coinflip or it will be bad for town. In all scenarios, either Koshi dies, or a few town die. Just to sum that up, here's what I think the scum plan was: 1. Push for lynching someone other than Koshi and solstice 2. Since austinmcc is directing the vote, it will probably end up being a town, so 1 town lynched 3. During nighttime, either shoot solstice to gamble on a bus, or take the safe option and shoot VE, rayn, or oats. The other scumteam will probably shoot someone else. Since there may have been a driveby, someone else could die as well. As a result, that's up to 4 town dead at this point (one from lynch, and then 3 KP). Personally, if I was scum, I would take the safe option and shoot someone else. With VE's vest blown, and Koshi outed as cop, there's no reason for anyone else to use vest. Perfect night for a slaughter. 4. At this point, there is a very high chance that scum will win Okay, onto the second scenario where solstice does get lynched, which is what happened. Soltice gets lynched, CC looks good from it because he outed a scum. Austin's alignment is still neutral, despite opposing the solstice lynch. Now let's look a bit more into CC and see why he's on the same scumteam as solstice. After he outed solstice, all his posts were very dismissive. A lot of other people were actively engaging information, but most of CC's posts were like this: On October 06 2013 11:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I didn't bait because fuck that. Yolo kill this scum bastard. DID HE JUST CLAIM COP LEL On October 06 2013 11:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You take your votes, and put them on s0lstice. On October 06 2013 13:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Guys, I'd like to claim cop. S0lstice is mafia fakeclaiming and Koshi is town fakeclaiming it looks like. I'm cop seriously. If you read through his filter, it's like he's clearly certain that solstice is the mafia and he's unwilling to obtain more information to change his mind. It was actually other people directing the discussion on solstice. Let's look at things from CC's position for a second. If CC is actually town, the first thing I would do is to wait around to get more information. Solstice said to standby. The information coming up would be about what night actions they are going to do, and maybe it would reveal what scumteam that solstice is on. There are plenty of ways that waiting for more information can be more helpful to town. But CC outed solstice right away. This doesn't make sense from a strategic perspective. Let's also look at how he responded. If I was CC, I would totally be excited about the whole thing and lead the interrogation on solstice. However we see the opposite. CC was basically just standing on the sidelines pitching in heckles. That doesn't make sense to me if CC was town. Now let's look at it if CC was mafia. That could totally work, because the naturally behavior for CC would be to be purely dismissive of solstice, and limit involvement. That would be the most obvious way to try to distance yourself from solstice the most, and prevent the worst case scenario where you make yourself seem to friendly with solstice. So my behavioral analysis is that CC is on the same scumteam as solstice. My last read is on VA. I had thought all along that he's scum, but not sure on which scumteam. Tbh, back when I posted the few reads I had on VA, they might have been good indications on why VA is more likely scum than anyone else, but right now, 'more likely' is not good enough. But I can't really pull off my tunnel onto VA simply because his defense was that anyone who believes me is an idiot. It would be the incorrect play for me to let him come away as town with that kind of defense. Reading through his filter, he is still very scummy, and with the current information we have now, I don't feel comfortable lynching him yet, but I would definitely like to focus more on him after we see who dies during the night phase. | ||
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On October 08 2013 12:28 WaveofShadow wrote: One hour later? Considering people asked you just to post whatever you had just to see IF there was anything? This is getting unacceptable. Sorry I should have stated that I'm not at home right now, so I just retyped what I could remember from memory. | ||
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On October 08 2013 12:42 Pandain wrote: Also why am I ignored in these posts? Because there are only room for 3 scum. Tbh I don't think you are the most likely scum. Anyways, I'll be here for a few more minutes answering whatever questions, then I'm gonna be heading home. | ||
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I am actually the last banger. SnB and palmer have given me permission to give up ages ago. I lost some motivation after they died since there was basically no way for us to win at that point. It was clearly either a town victory or the other scumteam's victory. I'll just vest it up every night and see how long I survive. Sorry for not being all that active.  Definitely won't be joining another mafia game until I have more free time. | ||
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Firstly, I would just like to tell you guys that I'm actually town, and the whole scum-claim thing was just a ploy. I am not a part of the remaining scumteam trying to claim the other scumteam. I am town. The reason why I did it was because at the time, WoS, austinmcc, Paindain, and VA were all onto me. Since everyone else besides CC is confirmed town, there 2 or 3 of you that are actually scum. This means that there's no point for me to convince you guys that I'm town when your objective is to get a mislynch on me. Due to my drastically lower skill level at mafia, there's a good chance that you will succeed in this, so I had to think of a crafty maneuver to avoid this, so this is it. By claiming banger and saying that I'm just gonna be vesting, it avoids the scenario where I get shot by cop. The last banger will think that I'm on the other scumteam fakeclaiming. The other scumteam may think I'm actually the last banger, and may alter their play. I'm the only one that knows I'm actually town. Due to this I can sit back and lurk and watch the thread to see if anyone gives an indication of scum. The other scumteam will try to play as if I am the last banger. The last banger will play as if I am in the other scumteam. Town will play as if I am the last banger. Nobody actually knows that I'm town, so this gives me a good reading advantage. For example, a member of the other scumteam may try to say that there's no point lynching me because I'm just going to be vesting. They benefit from having the extra KP so they may try to do this. To anyone who's town, it would be very obvious to lynch me simply because who the hell would believe what a scum says? If you are town and you are reading this, think about it. When you saw that I claimed to be the last banger, did you consider keeping my alive as a viable strategy? Probably not, because I sure wouldn't. Guess what happened: On October 08 2013 14:47 VayneAuthority wrote: what KP are we lowering exactly? he said he's just going to vest every night. If koshi kills scum tonight I will be gunning for the last scum on the other team, not CR. Add that to my list of Vayne suspicions. The reason I am outing this now is because the best case scenario happened - the last banger got killed. That was a good job from Koshi. Now before I continue posting my reads, I need to prove to you guys that I'm town, or else I'm gonna get mislynched and my reads are just going to be ignored. If I am on the other scumteam, it wouldn't make any sense for me to do this sort of play. I would not crumble under the pressure. Look at my other two games. I was under flak from everyone and I kept fighting. I wouldn't flop under this little pressure. Especially since I still have another player who's alive on my team, and the last banger is alive as well. There's a good chance to win, and I still have a partner to support me. If I am on the other scumteam, all I'm doing is throwing town a free kill. I would also be putting the last banger at risk. The last thing I want is for the last banger to die, because that lowers our chances to win more than myself dying. The least I would do is to at least try to fight it out. I wasn't a total scumread at the time, so it was really premature to give up. The other thing that wouldn't make sense is why I decided to give up before night ends and not after. The optimal play for the other scumteam would be to have me give up after night ends so that cop doesn't have a better read. Additionally, if I was scum, I would still have a partner left. Which one of you would let me do something like this? Anyways, I could probably muster up a lot more reasons why I am town, but if you guys have any more doubts, feel free to ask away. Now onto my reads. Today we just need to lynch one of the two remaining scum. My biggest read is currently still on VayneAuthority. I will continue where I left off from my previous reads. This is the last thing he said to me: On October 08 2013 12:44 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont really equate this to "everyone that believes you is an idiot" I pointed out plenty of contradictions in your thinking ray. His original reply to my reads was here: On October 01 2013 14:26 VayneAuthority wrote: alright now I get to tear you to shreds. Let me show you why you're making a grave error here. 1. You say FT looks town because he is going after "good players that aren't considered to be scummy by the majority." I have been doing the same thing by going after grackaroni, palmar, and pandain yet I am somehow scum to you. Contradiction #1 2. You are complaining about my personality and my playstyle, not mentioning things that make me scummy. If it was as simple as people that care are town and people that don't care are scum nobody would play mafia since it would be pointlessly easy. Koshi is a townread because he isn't even trying to look town yet I get flak for simply bullshitting with other players that are also bullshitting? Contradiction #2 3. I'm being active without any obligation. I could easily just lurk like half of this game right now but I'm not. Seems to make austin a town read but not me...Hm. Contradiction #3 I could do more but I think that is sufficient. If you need help from your scum team on not making easy posts to debunk then ask them in the QT. if you are town then stop bothering me. I already responded to it here: On October 01 2013 14:42 Chairman Ray wrote: 1. I said that if FT goes after the good players, he would look town, but he obviously isn't since he's going after ShiaoPi and myself. Sorry if my original post was confusing, I would edit it for clarity if I could. The reason is because has been the #1/#2 lynch candidate today and any effort to try to get a lynch on a strong, townish player would be wasted. This does not really apply to you right now. 2. It's not just caring or not caring about the game that points me to believe you are mafia. I think everyone in this game should care about the game, otherwise why would they join it in the first place? You seemed to care on the first day, so why don't you care now? What made the difference to me wasn't whether you cared or not, but rather that you were vocal about it. This seems very mafialike to me. If Koshi were to come out and say that he doesn't care much anymore, and he's just going to chill the rest of the game, I would question him as well. 3. The reason I think austin is town is because he was a replacement. You aren't. You showed us you are here, and you are active. Austin had every excuse to continue to lurk. That's why I think he's town. I would definitely like to hear more if you have something in mind. and here: On October 01 2013 15:08 Chairman Ray wrote: Another thing Vayne, I notice that you sound a bit defensive. I don't think I was being rude or condescending. All I did was post my read on you. That's sorta what we're supposed to do in a game of mafia, right? I don't understand why you need to "tear me to shreds", or say that my post is easy to debunk, or tell me to stop bothering you. Why would you want me to stop bothering you anyways? Is my trust not important? I think that you are not actually a big meanie. You are a very nice person who's sounding mean as a strategy. If I was in your position and I was town, I would probably want the trust of everybody, even lesser experienced players or players that post weaker reads. But if I was mafia, maybe I would construct a post to intimidate someone from giving any further reads on me. A few other things. Why did you say you could do more, but withhold all your other information? Do you not want to give me more reasons to trust you? Personally, I think that's a part of the ploy. Think of it as one gunner telling the enemy that he has plenty more bullets, so he should back down, but his holster is actually empty. Any and all information is quite useful to the town right now. If you have more information that paints you as town, I would love to hear it so I could trust you and go after people that are more likely to be mafia. Why was your first reply about who else I thought was mafia? Personally if someone had a scumread on me, the last thing I would worry about is whatever other people they have a read on. Seems like mismatched priorities to me. I think you were trying to get another person into the picture, or to see if I slip, so you can attack that and divert the attention off of you. So basically, I think your conversation with me thus far has been heavily masked and constructed, and that's because you are mafia. I still haven't gotten a reply for those two posts from VA yet. But just to add on, I notice that to defend himself from the first read, VA pointed out contradictions instead of why my reads are wrong. Pointing out contradictions are a way of discrediting someone, and doesn't actually attack their reads. This is a misdirection tactic. If It was town, then if someone had reads on me, I would try to give him any explanation that I am town. That's the most pro-town way to play. Now if I was mafia and someone had reads on me, I might start pointing out fallacies, contradictions or try to attack other things, because that's pseudo-defending myself without actually offering any tangible information. I mentioned a lot more examples of Vayne doing this in my quoted reads. The thing is that he's been doing a lot of this throughout the entire game. This is completely scum play. Also look at this: On October 09 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote ##vote:Chairman ray he shot, he's lying Right here, Vayne believes that I shot somebody as the last banger instead of vesting up. Even though Pandain flipped banger, Vayne seemed to not have paid attention to it. Probably because in his mind he is absolutely certain I am the last banger, something that would only occur to scum. But that can go either way, so I have something even better. How did he know that I shot instead of vested? We already established that mafia had to up 3 KP. Only 2 town died. How did he know that a team had 2 KP and didn't shoot both of them? It's because one of the town flipped he doesn't recall shooting. I think this is a scumslip. | ||
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On October 09 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not even read what you wrote because if you fakeclaimed scum it's beyond stupid. You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire. I didn't really play Noire, I got lynched D1 and stopped following the thread. Sorry if fakeclaiming was a really bad idea. But the thing is that we got the last banger last night. Maybe if I didn't fakeclaim, I would have been shot, or someone else would have been shot. But this is the best thing that could happen. | ||
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On October 09 2013 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay CharimanRay. Who is the last scum alive? CC. I'm reversing my read on austinmcc now. If he was scum, he would know that I'm not. He put so much effort into proving that he cannot be scum with me. It was looking like I was going to be the next lynch, so once I flip town, all his efforts would have gone to waste. His best move as scum would be to find other things to make him look town, because there's a 99% chance that I'm going to get lynched before he does. I have a lot more confidence in austinmcc now. I still think the whole solstice thing was planned out. VA obviously didn't play a big part of it or benefit much from it. So that means that the other person had to have either played a big role in the solstice interrogation trying to push the vote to someone else, or they had to have looked good as a result of it. CC shines here. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: It does not work anymore because Pandain died. Scum are in a fucking bad spot. Especially how the discussion has gone at the start of tody. As soon as i saw Pandain being the last banger i knew Vayne is town. There is no other explanation. If you gun hard for other mafia team's people, they might kill you. You want to hold hands and stay silent and not disturb them because it helps you more (see Palmar for example) as you kill townies together, and when the time is right you win the game with one big blow. Since Vayne and Pandain are on different teams, Vayne would not have known 100% that Pandain was the scum. That is unless they somehow communicated. Looking at how the payphone thing went, it's pretty apparent that they didn't communicate, and their reads on who's mafia are quite unreliable. This makes it reasonable for Vayne to push onto Pandain. I am doing the exact same thing by pushing onto Vayne turn after turn. By using the same logic, if I think that he is the last banger and I am a part of the other scumteam, then I wouldn't try to push him. You can read all my pushes onto Vayne. Does it seem like I knew 100% that Pandain was the last mafia, so that I push onto Vayne, who I think is 100% town? | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think it is more likely that Chariman Ray, the guy who plays his third game of mafia in teamliquid, decided the best action for the town in N4 is that he claims scum? Seriously? Like, what if Koshi shot him because scum? What? Good play right there? One of the reasons why I did it was because with 2-3 scum pushing onto me during the night, it was very possible that Koshi would have been convinced that I'm the scum instead of Pandain. I had to claim scum, and then say I'm just gonna vest it up, so that Koshi doesn't shoot me. It worked out in the end. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Can you explain what you mean by the bolded? I might have to rethink that read actually, I posted too quickly. If my read that Vayne/CC are the two scum, then I can no longer claim that there was a payphone thing happening. What I meant when I posted that was that if Vayne/solstice/not-CC was the scumteam, then Vayne would not know that Pandain was scum. If they knew, they would have phoned Pandain and not CC. Basically, they shouldn't have much of an idea of who is the other scumteam. This would counter rayn's case for Vayne pushing onto Pandain indicating Vayne is town. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On October 09 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I may have fakeclaimed, but i do not claim fucking scum! If you claim scum it affects people's reads. Also nobody will ever trust you again in this game. That's all you get for claiming scum as town. There is no way anyone should ever claim scum as town "to not get shot" or "to get someone else shot". This is fucking bullshit. Sorry, I won't do it again. I realize now that you guys put a lot of thinking into cases where I'm mafia and I brought on a lot of inconvenience. | ||
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