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On October 04 2013 12:33 Pandain wrote:
The problem is, and I disagree with Austin here, is that we don't know what cops did and what scum did. Maybe scum shot SnB, maybe cops did with the precision bullet. Maybe scum didn't double save day one and instead used bullet vest or frame.
You made assumptions too fast and certain for my liking when there are too many variables and are probably the scum team that didn't shoot BH(so you know if a double save happened and made the conclusion but failed to realize we don't know that). We don't know what happened.
But nobody has claimed to have been shot and survived, and I don't THINK that scum would be passing up KP early on for other stuff. That's pure assumption, but your goal as scum is to kill townies. Unless those other powers help you kill townies, you probably just shoot.
Powers honestly seem like nice ways to confuse us later in the game, by spending the bonus KP from killing cops or other team, and ways to keep cops honest and prevent them from claiming in thread and calling their actions, prevent them from masoning people and revealing plans to masoned dudes with no repurcussions (if you mason scum, they can mess with your results/actions/whatever).
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Speaking of which CR, will you please ignore associative tells which don't mean anything especially since SnB is not connected to FT and lynch Vayne with me?
You have read my analysis, right? And also why FT is not scum despite (false) associative tells?
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I could lynch Oats and s0lstice. Maybe rayn.
More than FT.
##Unvote
I'm beginning the filtration process. For the town.
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On October 04 2013 12:37 Pandain wrote:
You didn't already realize CR is town?
As I stated earlier in the game, CR is well aware of his meganoob status, and just like I did in Les Mafia (to some degree) he will be able to take advantage of it when he does roll scum. I was pretty sure that wasn't this game but that post sealed it for me.
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On October 04 2013 12:38 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:33 Pandain wrote:
The problem is, and I disagree with Austin here, is that we don't know what cops did and what scum did. Maybe scum shot SnB, maybe cops did with the precision bullet. Maybe scum didn't double save day one and instead used bullet vest or frame.
You made assumptions too fast and certain for my liking when there are too many variables and are probably the scum team that didn't shoot BH(so you know if a double save happened and made the conclusion but failed to realize we don't know that). We don't know what happened. But nobody has claimed to have been shot and survived, and I don't THINK that scum would be passing up KP early on for other stuff. That's pure assumption, but your goal as scum is to kill townies. Unless those other powers help you kill townies, you probably just shoot. Powers honestly seem like nice ways to confuse us later in the game, by spending the bonus KP from killing cops or other team, and ways to keep cops honest and prevent them from claiming in thread and calling their actions, prevent them from masoning people and revealing plans to masoned dudes with no repurcussions (if you mason scum, they can mess with your results/actions/whatever).
He's way too certain about what happened though, I could not in good faith make a post that I thought x happened.
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On October 04 2013 12:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:37 Pandain wrote:
You didn't already realize CR is town? As I stated earlier in the game, CR is well aware of his meganoob status, and just like I did in Les Mafia (to some degree) he will be able to take advantage of it when he does roll scum. I was pretty sure that wasn't this game but that post sealed it for me.
Okay that's fine, I'm just rustled you won't vote Vayne with me despite us both policy hating him.
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On October 04 2013 12:36 Pandain wrote:
Ray you're relying on associative tells too much when scum busses each other all the time.
Hell I could be busing Vayne and "Know" that he won't get lynched because people are set on FT/Palmar, and that's something I would reasonably do.
I haven't played a multi-scum game before, but just thinking about it, I think that scum may try to poke at each other, or throw votes on each other, but they won't strongly bus each other. The reason is because if one of them flips scum, there still isn't a lot of safety for the other player.
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On October 04 2013 12:40 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:36 Pandain wrote:
Ray you're relying on associative tells too much when scum busses each other all the time.
Hell I could be busing Vayne and "Know" that he won't get lynched because people are set on FT/Palmar, and that's something I would reasonably do. I haven't played a multi-scum game before, but just thinking about it, I think that scum may try to poke at each other, or throw votes on each other, but they won't strongly bus each other. The reason is because if one of them flips scum, there still isn't a lot of safety for the other player.
But SnB barely defended Tofu, he said he was still suspicious. Is that a bus to you when the majority of the thread felt the same way as him?
Hell if any other player who voted SP had flipped scum, we would be looking at them when in reality they all thought the same thing.
Do you get what I mean?
Did you also read my analysis of FT?
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On October 04 2013 12:40 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:36 Pandain wrote:
Ray you're relying on associative tells too much when scum busses each other all the time.
Hell I could be busing Vayne and "Know" that he won't get lynched because people are set on FT/Palmar, and that's something I would reasonably do. I haven't played a multi-scum game before, but just thinking about it, I think that scum may try to poke at each other, or throw votes on each other, but they won't strongly bus each other. The reason is because if one of them flips scum, there still isn't a lot of safety for the other player.
Pandain does have a point here though. There is much to be said about 'distancing' yourself from other scummers without having to bus them all the way to a lynch. Did you take that into account in your analysis?
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Ok, after reading some feedback, I'll ignore some associations, and try to get a more solid read.
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On October 04 2013 12:42 Chairman Ray wrote:
Ok, after reading some feedback, I'll ignore some associations, and try to get a more solid read.
I would appreciate a great deal more posting from you if you can handle it, CR.
I think you may yet offer a fresh perspective to this game, and you have shown you are certainly capable of really thinking hard about a game when you try.
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On October 04 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:daresay how I taunted you? you just wished death upon me lol seems a bit over the top
VA can you give literally ANY contribution when you've clearly read thread.
Like WoS how can you not vote this guy. I know you also think he's scum, just less then FT.
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Look through sicilian and check out how SnB dealt with sloosh that game. If you see a huge disconnect between that and SnB/FT feel free to vote me. its very identical and thats what I am basing my read off.
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On October 04 2013 12:45 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 04 2013 12:29 Pandain wrote:
Can we also lynch VA for taunting me daresay how I taunted you? you just wished death upon me lol seems a bit over the top VA can you give literally ANY contribution when you've clearly read thread. Like WoS how can you not vote this guy. I know you also think he's scum, just less then FT.
I gave people a chance to get rid of VA while you could.
Now you're stuck with him.
Let this be a lesson to you.
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Okay I was reading SnB's filter and had a thought.
Do we know whether SnB was a cop shot or a scum shot? Can we assume SnB was a scum shot? I realized that my assumption was that it was a cop shot but I don't think that makes sense to me. Someone help me out here.
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On October 04 2013 12:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay I was reading SnB's filter and had a thought.
Do we know whether SnB was a cop shot or a scum shot? Can we assume SnB was a scum shot? I realized that my assumption was that it was a cop shot but I don't think that makes sense to me. Someone help me out here.
SnB could have honestly been either. I think more likely to be a scum shot but meh.
Why does cop shot make no sense? And why do you want to know?
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On October 02 2013 04:57 hiro protagonist wrote:
real quick before the deadline.
Most likely town: VE, WoS, Grack, Koshi, austin
null: Palmer, ryan, VA, CR.
People I once thought as town, but are now slightly scummy: SaB, Panda, Oats
Scummy: Shiao... damn, doin up this list makes me realize how little other strong scum reads I had...
It's very plausible he was a cop shot due to this. Shiao was just lynched and look who's next scummiest in the game for him. yea makes sense but we dont know for sure. What we do know is that at least one scum team has an extra 0.5 KP tonight.
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LET IT BE KNOWN FROM THIS DAY FORTH THAT PANDAIN WILL POLICY LYNCH VA IN EVERY GAME
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I have learned my lesson and will be satisfied with Palmar
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Actually S0lstice is better though.
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