On October 04 2013 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
No he hasn't. But since he was a townread of mine and you're voting to lynch him (and seem to mean it in spite of not explicitly thinking he's scum) I'm gonna reread the guy and see if I missed anything.

We were supposed to do great things together

Now neither of us are doing great things and some low-life beat-cop is taking all our glory.

The vote means I think he's scum.

Just took me an extra day.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 04 2013 02:52 GMT

#2683

On October 04 2013 11:51 austinmcc wrote:

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The vote means I think he's scum.

Just took me an extra day.

All right all right, I'm just saying you were coming across as wishy-washy in a really scummy way. Thanks for clarifying bro.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 02:55 GMT

#2684

I can also lynch S0lstice

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 02:59 GMT

#2685

Who's here at the moment

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 04 2013 03:00 GMT

#2686

I'm leaving but I should be back in about an hour.

cakepie

985 Posts

October 04 2013 03:05 GMT

#2687

VOTE COUNT:

FirmTofu (6) : WaveofShadow, Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Oatsmaster, Palmar, VisceraEyes
Palmar (4) : s0Lstice, ~~Oatsmaster~~ (X), Koshi, raynpelikoneet, austinmcc
VayneAuthority (1) : ~~Pandain~~ (X), Pandain
Oatsmaster (0) : ~~Pandain~~ (X)
s0Lstice (0) : ~~Koshi~~ (X), ~~Palmar~~ (X)

Not voting (2) : Chairman Ray, FirmTofu

Lynch is in about 17hr. Voting is mandatory.

Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched!

If you see your vote (or anyone else's) out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.

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Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 03:05 GMT

#2688

The problem with Vayne is that he is going to be on our scum lists for the whole game anyway because

my goal is not to lynch, it's to not get lynched

Let's do a triple whammy by getting rid of that, lynching possible scum, and screwing that philosophy.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 03:05 GMT

#2689

Wow I didn't realize how many people already voted.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 03:09 GMT

#2690

Can we please not waste a lynch on FT?

Like I've already proven all the reasons are shit.

He's just being lynched because he's FT.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 03:10 GMT

#2691

At least do Palmar

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 04 2013 03:12 GMT

#2692

On October 04 2013 12:09 Pandain wrote:
Can we please not waste a lynch on FT?

Like I've already proven all the reasons are shit.

He's just being lynched because he's FT.

Nope.
Sorry!

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 04 2013 03:13 GMT

#2693

On October 04 2013 11:44 Pandain wrote:
Austin if you want to convince people, convince me that Palmer is a better choice then Vayne.

For one, you also seem to think he's scum

On October 03 2013 08:17 Pandain wrote:
Rayn, Palmer, Vayne, Solstice, VE.

There you go scum

Mainly though, it's a couple things.

As far as VA goes

He has been speculating about NKs and who might have done what. I disagree though that he appears to have extra knowledge. In my head, he's mostly just bullshitting. We know we only had 1 kill last night, and nobody else claimed to be shot. So we expected 3 KP, we had three deaths, we still have nobody claiming to have been shot /w vest. Essentially, you're accusing him of KNOWING who killed who for what reasons, and posting it in thread. Can you give me even 1/2 a reason why scum would post why they NKed some dude in the thread (apart from WIFOM)? I know you said you focused on night actions in a game you played, and, at least in my head, you're overvaluing that. It happened once, but it's also happened that people have tried to figure out why folks got NKed and NOT been scum.
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On October 03 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote:
You could try and vote me but you'd probably be scum then as you have no justification.

I refuse to be shut down and believe FT is town. He always plays like this. Your reasons are weak.

Besides his awful vote Palmar has been pretty town with contributions and logical posts. It's just suddenly he threw a sudden wrench and voted Shiao despite clearer suspicions on FT just to "prove Rayn wrong."

Vayne is scummy for more reasons and it is more conclusive.
That is the weirdest statement to remember of all time that someone always walks themselves through night actions
I think you are trying to make justifications to not vote Vayne which are really weak.

Let me approach it in several different ways:

1. Vayne will always end up becoming a hassle for town later as it is really hard to tell his alignment. In fact my only good read is that he's focusing too much on role actions and is revealing more information then town has. Failing this lynch, he will always be up for a lynch later which given this game scum will probably force anyway if Vayne is town. Better to get him out of the way.

2. Vayne is clearly not blue so that's a good thing.

3. Vayne has asked not to be checked despite before saying check me
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On September 30 2013 07:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
On September 30 2013 07:39 Pandain wrote:
Vayne is probably scum. Also a generally good shot. I would suggest cops to shoot him, as it's hard to differentiate his town and scum play.

He's clearly reading due to what he's saying but he's acting like he doesn't give a shit.
Town reads are Cheesecake and SnB.

If Palmar doesn't push today, he's probably scum.

I welcome the cops shooting me, it confirms town members and I have no reason to use my vest so it will refund the bullet. go for it.

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On October 03 2013 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
don't check me guys

5. If you like OMGUS
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On October 02 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
I am not sold on FT or SnB but the majority of the list you just posted besides that is scum

Heavily contrasts with him today which, based on meta analysis of SnB flipping scum, is associative with FT being scum. Poor reason to change.

- you call him a hassle. You note he asked not to be checked despite asking to be shot. But those things don't matter at all. It's D3. We're not lynching hassles. There are PLENTY of hassles right now too, you can't aim a lynch based on something that a bunch of people are doing. And sure, he wanted to be shot and then not checked, but that really doesn't matter at all. I like inconsistencies when they're in reads, or in actions, or whatever, but not in dicking around about whether to shoot him or not. It's more likely for scum reads to be inconsistent, because they KNOW some are faked, or they're only making them to push a specific mislynch/objective, but I don't think it's more likely for scum than town to go "shoot me no don't shoot me."

I don't disagree that there's some nothing in his filter. I don't disagree with the stuff you brought up about him making a mushy read on Hiro Pro (I commented on that yesterday, and I DO find that scummy). But I think a couple of the specific items that turbo-charged your VA lynching machine today aren't what you make them out to be. Either aren't as scummy as you make them out to be, or are...are the sort of things you find/push when you think a person is scum already. The shoot me no don't shoot me doesn't matter, imo, and is just the kind of thing you highlight when you already want to lynch someone.

My Palmar thoughts are in the post above. I think that, based on the dropoff in activity/caring, and how the only real care posts are these lists of reads that look decent but actually aren't particularly insightful/revealing upon 2nd, 3rd, 4th read, he's a better lynch. I'm more sure of his scumminess.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 03:16 GMT

#2694

Alright he's better then FT at least
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar

Also a fuck you to WoS for ignoring clear evidence that FT is town.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 04 2013 03:17 GMT

#2695

On October 04 2013 12:16 Pandain wrote:
Alright he's better then FT at least
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar

Also a fuck you to WoS for ignoring clear evidence that FT is town.

If FT flips town I feel like the next person I'd lynch is you for being so damn sure.
:D

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 03:18 GMT

#2696

Guess I should try and play worse?

I really don't like your logic at all, I'm the only one resisting today.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 04 2013 03:19 GMT

#2697

I think solstice is a person to keep tabs on but shouldn't be today's lynch. He was relatively lighthearted last night while I was partway pooping on him.

I'm headed to bed soon, but around for a bit to keep chatting.

Had typed that solstice would make a good cop check, went to go look at the OP again. We really need to look at Hiro's reads hard, because not only was he town but he was masoned with another townie AND they had bonus information.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 03:20 GMT

#2698

On October 04 2013 12:19 austinmcc wrote:
I think solstice is a person to keep tabs on but shouldn't be today's lynch. He was relatively lighthearted last night while I was partway pooping on him.

I'm headed to bed soon, but around for a bit to keep chatting.

Had typed that solstice would make a good cop check, went to go look at the OP again. We really need to look at Hiro's reads hard, because not only was he town but he was masoned with another townie AND they had bonus information.

How do you know this?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 03:20 GMT

#2699

Oh by townie you mean other cop

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

October 04 2013 03:20 GMT

#2700

pandain bores me, all of his reasons for lynching me are magnified in FT yet he is convinced he is town. makes sense it does not.

If you want to lynch a "hassle" or whatever how about you lynch the guy that refuses to contribute at all? at least you can call me out on my bullshit reads and stuff. FT isn't giving us anything to work with. If you want to see him in action as town go look at sicilian or nuclear. This is not it.