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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Couldn't tell you b/w either. I completely believe you in terms of why you haven't been playing this game, but unfortunately that doesn't make you not scum. Regarding Palmar, I've said this before: I can't read him worth dicks. Look at LXI---and I haven't played a game with him since. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Like...my town read on him is waning with every moment that he's not calling for my head on a platter. He's just kinda been brushing the idea of lynching VE into the thread...town Palmar usually lays the HAMMER DOWN on a VE that isn't contributing because when we played together a lot that was my MO as town. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Is that too much to ask? If it makes people feel better I actually might be around for deadline tomorrow to yell at whoever isn't voting for him. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 04 2013 10:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Checklist for tonight:
![[image loading]](http://0-media-collegehumor.cvcdn.com/a/5/collegehumor.8858b2da77efc57fd05c30b5c44fb6d5.jpg) They lost their jobs. They lost their book deal. They're adrift now, VE. Adrift in this sea we call life. And they're hungry. Oh, so very hungry. Can you hear them? Can you hear them in the night? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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VayneAuthority
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I swore on everything. EVERYTHING AUSTIN! I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SWEAR ON! | ||
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VisceraEyes
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 04 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah he doesn't play much anymore. :/ Like...my town read on him is waning with every moment that he's not calling for my head on a platter. He's just kinda been brushing the idea of lynching VE into the thread...town Palmar usually lays the HAMMER DOWN on a VE that isn't contributing because when we played together a lot that was my MO as town. On October 04 2013 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Also he hasn't called me bad, OR stupid. I think he thinks I'm both...suggesting manipulation. But there's not a lot I can comment on. All that says is that for you-specific reasons, you're doubting your earlier town read. You think town Palmar would do x. But you're not out and calling him scum, just less townie, and potentially trying to manipulate you. I'm not gonna lynch him based on that. I'm not gonna NOT lynch him based on that. And that doesn't do anything for how I read you. So, in a nicest way to say it, it's not useful to me. Maybe it's a stepping-stone for you to reread Palmar or your interactions with him, although Palmar wasn't on your list. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Couldn't get out a feeling. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 04 2013 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Let's go with this. You thought he was town, that's waning.You've been issuing these non-defense-defenses of Palmar most of the game...now your vote is on him. Like...I don't know, I just thought there would be more you'd have to say on the guy your vote is on. But whatever, I'll just take it for what I assume it is: your way of telling me "not good enough". Here are some specifics that I'm worried about - He ain't dead. It's dumb but it's true. - Was somewhat active/engaged early. Looking through his filter earlier I found a nice, fat reads post + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2013 00:40 Palmar wrote: Probably Town Koshi - Probably town, if scum he played getting hit by the RNG pretty well. VisceraEyes - Keep an eye out on how much of a leadership role he takes. He was very townie early on in day 1, but I'm somewhat unsure how much of a role he truly played in the yamato lynch. I need to re-read. If he starts fading into the background reconsider, but for now town. Oatsmaster - Confrontational and an asshole, completely useless too, so that kinda fits him being town Blazinghand - Probably town, needs to be more in the forefront. WaveofShadow - Too active, too free-flowing and engages easily with people to be scum. Pandain - His case was ok. If he keeps trying he's town. Pandain is awful as scum anyway so he'll fuck up sooner or later if he is. Haven't analysed/read at all: Chairman Ray Mr. Cheesecake VayneAuthority austinmcc Only done a quick read/null: strongandbig - if I die he's less likely (only slightly) to be scum (unlikely his scumteam would shoot me after he spends time creating a case on me), but I have no idea really, I think his case was wrong because of bads, not because of malicious. ShiaoPi - One of the best candidates for re-reading. He hasn't done anything worth noting all game, at least that I noticed. I'm going to look into him when I have time. raynpelikoneet - Don't really know. Grackaroni - Again, read some, no conclusion Scummy people hiro protagonist - His start was awfully conservative. I still haven't spent time looking at his later posts, but yeah. RebirthOfLeGenD - Said he'd catch up, didn't. FirmTofu - See my earlier analysis. Haven't paid attention to him since. ------------------- please don't take this list as gospel, my reads on night 1 (especially with a weekend start) are okay, but not great. I'm prety sure most of the scum is in my null/scum zone, but if someone does something stupid, don't let the come back and go "BUT PALMAR SAID I WAS TOWN". Anyway, I won't have time to play much today. Writing this in case I can't be back before deadline. - He's got the early argument with rayn. Lots of posts concerning rayn's worry over yamato calling palmar town. Getting on rayn's case for a townread on oats at the time. Jumps on an inconsistency, pokes at it, posts a bunch. Honestly, when I'm reading N1 or most of D2, it's still just Palmar talking to rayn about why rayn is dumb/wrong/whatever. He's very very active when it comes to this one issue, and otherwise just flits about a bit. Basically, a wise man once summed up my feeling on the rayn posts like this On October 02 2013 00:34 Palmar wrote: Both. He's not mafia for being bad, he's mafia for not doing anything outside of arguing about points like the one we just argued about. - He doesn't care about the lynch at all on D2. He calls FT scum, was on him D1 and stays on him D2. All well and good. His only post on SP really is On September 30 2013 19:24 Palmar wrote: before the switch. The switch, at least from Palmar's posting, is purely rayn-based. I just read again through Shiaopi's filter, he's not a bad lynch either, he's done almost nothing. I would like to point out that along with Grack, he helped push suspicion off FT. Shiaopi do you still think FT is town, do you think his reasons for wanting to lynch you are legit? And why do you think VE is scum? - Palmar's reactions to the flip, immediately, look like he's doing something. On October 02 2013 06:10 Palmar wrote: Mostly because I don't know if you are. Could you like spam a bit and explain your reads through the game. Additionally, I think I'm waffling on rayn being scum based on what just happened here. I'm not entirely sure. On October 02 2013 06:12 Palmar wrote: which would open other doors for scum, for example SnB and the replacements, both I have mostly ignored lately. Also Oats was really passive in the shitstorm between me and rayn. Look at those posts. I voted a dude. The dude was town. Now I need to rethink things, my read on rayn...which then messes with my reads on other people. And I'm trying ever so hard to read you VE. How can I hold all these reads I'm trying to make? - After returning to thread, we get another sizeable post + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 22:59 Palmar wrote: I really don't know anymore. A few quick thoughts. I'm less sure in my early townreads and more sure in my later ones. Especially I think Koshi, Chairman Ray and Grack are very unlikely scum. VE, Oats, Pandain, WoS more likely than before (but still nowhere near lynch territory, let's say I'm leaning town on them. A quick note on WoS, for someone that was willing to enter an argument early in the game about his proficiency at mafia I don't feel like he is having the influence his own perception of his skill should warrant. If you think you're so good why aren't you trying to lead us? I have still to read CC and the replacements through. I'm assuming at least one if not two scum in there because that's kind of what I do, I always ignore the lay-low scum. SnB still hasn't done jack shit, good candidate for lynching tomorrow. I still think Hiro's entrance into the thread was really awkward and he's not doing much at all, another good lynch. Rayn is a bit of a question mark, he's super reckless (to the point of being willing to die just to make a point, I don't know if he anticipated no one going along with it, or if he just doesn't care). He's doing stupid things, not taking an active stance about anything for the most part except me. I don't really know if all this makes him ballsy scum or reckless town, in both cases he's being very useless. Vayne is another question mark. He's being an asshole about being awful at the game. I have no idea why. He also indicated he's been playing this a long time, which is important because he would probably be pretty towny if he was new to mafia. FT remains a good lynch. - And that's it. He just posts a bunch about the switch and why he totally wants FT dead and why he switched cuz of Rayn and etc. It's the bolded quote above. He's mafia for not doing anything outside of just picking these dinky little fights. He's not fighting about someone being scum or town. He's just goading rayn and continuing to post about things that don't actually matter because they're not scumhunting. His activity, his major points of activity for the last 96+ hours, has nothing to do with scumhunting. He's just posting, occasionally dropping mushy lists of reads that are never actually solid. VE, has Palmar done anything between D2 and D3 to make you <3 him? Do you actually get the feeling that he IS trying to read you? Because I'm not getting a townie vibe from anything he's done recently. (I dunno if I soft-defended him before, maybe? I don't think I've said too much about him until now, but go hunting! Hunt hunt! I think he should totally be lynched though) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I do like him as a lynch now, though. It may not be as useful a thing to look for as I think, but veteran-ish players who are scum seem to often look townie on D1 and then tail off, can't keep it going. This fits that pattern. grack was calling him out for wishy-washy stuff, but at this point he's not even being wishy-washy anymore. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
It is interesting that Grack though(contrary to someone else earlier, I forget) was pushing Palmer heavily and got shot. I think he's a solid choice but still I prefer Vayne. You convinced me that he's playing anti-town but not that he's playing scum. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
We were supposed to do great things together Now neither of us are doing great things and some low-life beat-cop is taking all our glory. | ||
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