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BajaBlood
United States205 Posts
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Blurry
Switzerland125 Posts
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RandomAccount#49059
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Zaragon
Sweden235 Posts
On September 26 2013 19:24 playerboy345 wrote: So my opinions after gazing through filters: + Show Spoiler [onlywonderboy] + He has added nothing to the game by far, his posts are just one-liners which are basically useless posts. Hopefully we'll hear some more of him soon + Show Spoiler [Zaragon] + The one thing I found a bit odd was that he clothed his opinions on MLuneth and heavenz/Bereft with arguments but the only thing he said about me was that I feel towny. I'm wondering why he didn't back this up with arguments like he did with the other cases. Overall I think he is town, but not using arguments and just saying "he feels town" is a bit weird in my opinion. (It feels so wrong to be suspicious of someone who called you town T_T) + Show Spoiler [stormtemplar] + I think he is town, he made himself very clear on the lurker subject and asked me to elaborate when I wasn't clear enough. He also questioned the same thing I did - Zaragon not using arguments on his opinion of me. I haven't read anything of him yet that I could even consider a scumread, he just tries to force information out of others, like: Also, with you all on Jaytee. Where'd he go? He was clearly here, so why the disappearance? Simply going inactive is a classic inexperienced mafia behavior, and at best he's an inactive townie, which is not good for us. Obviously he's done nothing scummy, but doing nothing is itself kinda scummy. He needs to show up and post so we can get some reads. + Show Spoiler [Jayte] + Only an one-liner so far, and a highly suspicious (imo) one at that + Show Spoiler [JonnyLaw] + I got nothing on him so far. + Show Spoiler [heavenz] + On September 26 2013 16:58 heavenz wrote: onlywounderboy: only oneliners, while I am not against one liners at all, just writing 1 liners lacks much content. He tries to show activness even though he has no content, perhaps he didn't know what to write in the beginning. Now after 24h you should write more than 1 liners. Zaragon: has my strongest town read so far. Blurry is really falling behind expectation, that's weird. You really should post more. lurkers:Jayte, xIvanJ You both have to participate way more. I agree with you on onlywonderboy. BUT the bolded part makes me a bit suspicious, you say Zaragon has your strongest town tell but you say nothing to back it up, same goes for Blurry. Please elaborate on this when you can. + Show Spoiler [MLuneth] + On September 26 2013 14:57 MLuneth wrote: On my question, I'm a curious guy! I got lynched d3 and it's been several months since I last played, so I might be a little sketchy on some rules. What made you think it was a good idea to ask it in this thread? Wouldn't it make you an easy target for mafia or am I missing something here? And why are you going balls deep on heavenz? That's a pretty gutsy move. Your last posts basically says "I want to lynch heavenz!" without having a shitton of evidence to back it up with. + Show Spoiler [Bereft] + I got nothing on him so far. + Show Spoiler [Blurry] + His only post so far is on the lurker subject, it's not quite enough for me to have a tell on him. + Show Spoiler [BajaBlood] + On September 26 2013 02:48 BajaBlood wrote: Yeah, it's the shortest post so far, but I don't think he's alone in not having contributed any substance yet (myself included). Hopefully we'll start to see more contributions as our discussions turn more in this direction. Moving into discussions like this is probably more productive than the policy lynch, though - at least the guides say so  On September 26 2013 09:51 BajaBlood wrote: Not terribly impressed that this is the only post so far from this player... Asking for mercy on lurkers then proceeding to post nothing else. First he defends Jayte for having only one/a short post with no content and then he proceeds to attack xIvanJ for having only one post with no content. Am I the only one who thinks that's SUPER suspicious? I'll keep an eye on BajaBlood and Jayte for now. + Show Spoiler [Balla24] + Don't got much on him so far, but nothing scummy. Like this post: On September 26 2013 11:37 Balla24 wrote: I'm not really getting any bad vibes from anybody at this point. Really need to hear from the less talkative people at this point to get a read off of them. As far as town reads I'm liking Zaragon for sure, and maybee Bereft. Both of them have been quite active in trying to move the discussion forward and providing their reads. They have also been looking into other's past games which i think is quite helpful for us. We just really need to hear from the quiet ones at this point though, they are really stalling the game and it's been a whole 24 hours. Some people have 1/2 posts only and have been quite weird. If we're not going to hear from them though, i'd like to hear a bit more from Heavenz now that some time has passed, maybe there are more insights about how people are acting first day compared to that last game they played together. Blurry specifically, as his opening post -> sudden quietness is worrying from what I hear so far about his play. Looks town to me. + Show Spoiler [xIvanJ] + Only a one-liner so far, he has to post more. It feels like a small detail to base a town read on, especially since some of the things I've heard on the Stormtemplar case were concerns I had marked in my mind to look into over time. Also, the explanation feels contrived and worded overly strongly. Note playerboy's comment on Stormtemplar here: "He also questioned the same thing I did - Zaragon not using arguments on his opinion of me. I haven't read anything of him yet that I could even consider a scumread, he just tries to force information out of others, like: " This, with a quote of what I actually consider the fluffiest part I've seen from Stormtemplar: "Also, with you all on Jaytee. Where'd he go? He was clearly here, so why the disappearance? Simply going inactive is a classic inexperienced mafia behavior, and at best he's an inactive townie, which is not good for us. Obviously he's done nothing scummy, but doing nothing is itself kinda scummy. He needs to show up and post so we can get some reads." Looking into both of them now. Rethinking my personality read on playerboy a bit and rereading him. He also seemed quite certain at the last minute that we would see a green/blue flip: On September 27 2013 06:58 playerboy345 wrote: I'm not too comfortable with the MLuneth lynch to be honest, I really don't get that much of a scum read from him :/ Possible sign of information advantage used to gain town credit, at that timing. Have a lot of rereading to do, might not get through it tonight | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On September 27 2013 08:18 stormtemplar wrote: Are we allowed to post analysis at night or do we have to wait for daytime? Yes, you are allowed post during the night On September 27 2013 07:00 Umasi wrote: Voting is closed, no posting till the daypost please! This was a typo, it should have read no posting until the nightpost. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
alright, now that i'm at a computer reading the thread in its entirety i realize how off point my post was in relation to the current thread of conversation at the time. during the weekday i'll always be in the office during the voting deadline unfortunately -- i was literally hiding in the bathroom posting from my phone at the time. but i'll be catching up on the thread now and thought dumping momentarily. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
zaragon: + Show Spoiler + looking at his filter, right now he reads very pro-town, as he seems to be making an effort to keep the thread on track and provide transparency on his opinions and thought process on current players. BUT i do find his voting incongruous: On September 26 2013 04:24 Zaragon wrote: No opinion on MLuneth. Actually, if he feels comfortable enough to throw that question out (and I think I can figure out what the question is actually asking), that's pretty towny to me by itself, just odd. I have no personality read on him as yet to back that up, though, so neutral to me. i was surprised that he of all people led the bandwagon on mluneth as i took the above comment as him interpreting mluneth's question to mean that he was vig. in addition, i find it odd that he says this: On September 27 2013 03:22 Zaragon wrote: EBWOP: For clarity, I would like to push for Blurry right now since MLuneth is still participating, but I don't want us to set our votes on Blurry and not be able to change them if he comes in with good points. but then right at the last minute switches his vote to mluneth. On September 27 2013 06:40 Zaragon wrote: Got caught up in an intriguing conversation with a friend, now the hour is late. MLuneth is the only person who has posted considerable amounts that I would vote for. I don't know if he's bad town or scum either, it's strange to assert himself like he does as either town or scum and then not to be responding now. Feels like scum constructing a case and dropping off at suspicions. I wanted to push Blurry to contribute, he hasn't. I'm comfortable switching off him for now since he doesn't even seem to be coming in to vote. ##Vote MLuneth please shed some light on what made you change your mind from voting for a lurker to an "active" participant. you initially say you prefer to vote for mluneth because he's still participating, but later change your vote because he disappeared from the thread while blurry didn't post anything either. i noticed you used the same argument when you FOS'ed blurry earlier in the day: On September 27 2013 01:53 Zaragon wrote: so would like to hear your explanation. i really want to believe you're town, but this contradicting behavior makes me wary.Blurry... still nothing. Could have real life explanations, but I have a bad feeling he rolled scum, started working on his first post being as pro town as possible, then realized he didn't know how to follow up as scum. I want to vote for him the most out of the lurkers, to be honest. heavenz: + Show Spoiler + town lean as well, for the moment. he's actively calling players out, applying pressure, and not afraid to share his opinions. will have no issue with him if he keeps up the current behavior. balla24 + Show Spoiler + this guy's coming off somewhat town atm. initially this post brought up a red flag: On September 26 2013 11:37 Balla24 wrote: I'm not really getting any bad vibes from anybody at this point. Really need to hear from the less talkative people at this point to get a read off of them. As far as town reads I'm liking Zaragon for sure, and maybee Bereft. Both of them have been quite active in trying to move the discussion forward and providing their reads. They have also been looking into other's past games which i think is quite helpful for us. We just really need to hear from the quiet ones at this point though, they are really stalling the game and it's been a whole 24 hours. Some people have 1/2 posts only and have been quite weird. If we're not going to hear from them though, i'd like to hear a bit more from Heavenz now that some time has passed, maybe there are more insights about how people are acting first day compared to that last game they played together. Blurry specifically, as his opening post -> sudden quietness is worrying from what I hear so far about his play. while i agree that it's hard to have a good scum read on someone at that point, he brings nothing new to this table with this post. all he says is we need to hear from the inactives. his comment on blurry seems to merely be an echo of what i (and zaragon i believe) said before. he posts some analysis afterwards which assuages some of my suspicious, but later on, like zaragon, also changes his mind from voting inactives to a more active scum read. not too apprehensive of this player at the moment, but i would like to hear his analysis on the current players. brb gonna shower then read the rest of the filters | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 27 2013 06:15 playerboy345 wrote: After rereading this: I feel onlywonderboy is the person I'm getting highest scum read from. He likes that I put time into a post but he says that he didn't agree with all the analysis, then why not elaborate on what you didn't agree with? He leaves with a vote on Blurry and says he'll post when he has more time, it's been two hours and he hasn't posted anything yet so my vote is on him. ##Vote onlywonderboy I wrote that message 5 minutes before I had to leave for work, I simply didn't have enough time to express my thoughts in a way I was comfortable with. When I said I'd elaborate later I meant after the voting had taken place because I knew I was going to be at work all night. If it would have progressed further I was going to bring up the issue I had, but it was irrelevant as the debate focused mostly on other players. The main one that stuck out to me was the BajaBlood read. I think the main reason he called out xIvanJ was because it was his only post AND it was a plea to not lynch lurkers. Seems more suspicious than the other post. Probably not enough to get a good read off of, but I'd say the two posts you cited were different. Blurry was just a vote I thought was safe because I wasn't sure how everything was going to unfold while I was away. And boy did I not expect the turn of events that occurred. Sucks to lose a blue on night one. Not sure if I would have changed my vote, wish I would have been able to take place in the conversation. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Just to shed some light on what I was thinking at the end of the day: I was already suspicious of MLuneth due to his posts earlier today. I didn't want to vote him initially because I was more suspicious of Blurry for his inactivity after his intro post (which was completely unlike him based on that other game). Once I realized that we might be wasting a lynch since he might get modkilled, I wanted to switch my target. MLuneth was the only person i was suspicious of at the time. I honestly wish I hadn't gotten distracted though and didn't have to rush my vote because re-reading through this I definitely made a mistake. If I could do it again, I would have stayed on Blurry but the modkill talk made me scared to waste the lynch. This might have been a good situation to no-lynch as well. You live and you learn I guess. Regardless, we need to get Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte active. Also, let's start the voting process earlier day 2 so we don't have to rush it. Blurry says he's going to post his thoughts before the end of the night so let's make sure we hold him to that. As far as the active(ish) people: I'm feeling pretty good about Bereft because even with the hasty vote and (not that I did any better) how he appears less interested than at the start. He also didn't hop on any bandwagons so there's that too, if he were mafia he probably would have hopped on the MLuneth bandwagon, especially since he picked up on the Vigi claim (i didn't pick that up, chalk it up to inexperience I guess). I'm still not very convinced about stormtemplar. Waiting for his defense, he was here recently and should definitely be posting his defense. Hopefully, if he is scum, we can see some holes and I can hop on board the jonnylaw/heavenz train. I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + while reading through the thread, i didn't like this guy. but reading his filter specifically, this post gives him a town read for now. i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, provided this type of analysis continues. + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2013 04:05 JonnyLaw wrote: + Show Spoiler [Blurry] + His first post was good but not enough to give any read. I really hope he contributes something soon because his lack of participation is hurting the game and his chances of surviving the lynch. + Show Spoiler [playerboy345] + He's been active in trying to move discussion forward throughout the game. Feels okay to me for now. + Show Spoiler [heavenz] + heavenz willingness to question people's reads puts him out there more than he may want at this point if he was scum. Again, seems all right to keep around for now. He's contributing and trying to force slips out of people. + Show Spoiler [onlywonderboy] + owb I've read most of your LOL material. You can write and critically think. WHAT did you like about playerboy's analysis in particular? What are your opinions on the other twelve players in this game? I'm not liking the read I'm getting here. + Show Spoiler [stormtemplar] + stormtemplar is looking scummy to me. He writes a lot and yet says nothing. He's basically said he agrees zaragon might be town, he doesn't know about playerboy and death to all lurkers while telling others to contribute more to the thread. He's trying to misdirect and confuse discussion rather than forwarding it which I do not care for. + Show Spoiler [Zaragon] + Zaragon has been making similar reads to my own throughout the game and pushing for strong participation. He definitely feels more town than many others in the game. His willingness to focus on particular people could mean he's trying to get attention away from himself and the rest of the mafia but for now it's too early to say. I give him the benefit of the doubt. + Show Spoiler [Balla24] + Balla24 reads fairly town. He's been agreeing with heavenz and Zaragon whom I also like for the town. I could be getting fooled here and there are two mafia in their threesome. For now, there's better options to lynch though. + Show Spoiler [xIvanJ is useless] + One outta 13 aint too bad boys. Hopefully our replacement can play. + Show Spoiler [Jayte] + Could be lurking as a mafia. I just can't read him from the level of content he's put out. + Show Spoiler [MLuneth] + I want to call this guy scum from my gut. I really, really want to do it. But re-reading his posts just make me think he's a bit hasty and not scum at all. There are grammatical errors, shortened words and that half written post he managed to post. I dunno, he doesn't feel like mafia at this point in the game. + Show Spoiler [BajaBlood] + Hasn't said a lot. Could be leaning mafia, but he's okay for now. + Show Spoiler [bereft] + I know he said he'd be busy but why is no one mentioning his inactivity? Still, not the best candidate for a lynch. Okay here's my summation. Blurry, bereft (who did say he would be busy), Jayte and xIvanJ are inactive. I still think we should look for a better lynch candidate for today. I like zaragon, balla24 and heavenz contribution but I might be getting fooled because they seem to agree quite often. But hell, they're reasonable opinions. Time to see where people cast their votes. I've read through stormtemplar's posts multiple times now. He literally says nothing in them. Clogging conversation after being accused of being scum. I disagree and he's just trying to change the focus away from himself. Until he puts up a better defense of himself #vote stormtemplar wonderboy + Show Spoiler + this guy's posting has been waaay subpar, especially coming from a TL writer! i want to call out this post in particular: On September 26 2013 22:29 onlywonderboy wrote: I think I got scared into writing one liners due to people claiming we were going to lynch non-active people. But, tis true, I should have transitioned into writing more useful posts. This is still my first game so I'm trying to take a lot of it in. I have pretty much zero knowledge of everyone in this game so getting a read off of people on a relatively few number of pages is proving more difficult than I had hoped. That said, stand outs right now: Jayte: Joke post to start off the game, hasn't contributed anything of value. Isn't trying to cause chaos in the town, but his absence is questionable. Mentions being busy with work, could just be throwing that out so we don't seem suspicious MLuneth: Had that odd question to start, could have easily asked a coach instead of putting it in the thread. playerboy: Great analysis of all the players. But, imo, it seemed like a post that was trying too hard to put the spotlight on "Hey, look, I'm helping the town!" I'm definitely not saying he should be a candidate for the first lynch, but just something to keep in mind in the future. the threatened lynch on lurkers should make you one to SPEAK UP if anything, not post pointless one liners. also calls playerboy's post "great analysis", which i believe others have called out as well. what exactly did you find great? he hasn't clarified this but says he will. i'll be waiting to see what he says. his vote on blurry also seems like a 'safe' vote, in that other players (myself, zaragon to name a few) have already tossed blurry's name about as someone whose current posting is deviating from his pro-town posting in previous games. right now, i say wonderboy's a pretty decent candidate for the lynch. playerboy + Show Spoiler + i find playerboy's argument against threatening to lynch lurkers and description on 'what mafia will do in that scenario' pretty bad and one dimensional. On September 25 2013 21:50 playerboy345 wrote: After rereading the previous page I found this: The only thing you CAN achieve with lynching lurkers is getting people to be more active, and I'm pretty sure we need to hunt scum, not force people to write meaningless posts. It puts literally ZERO pressure on the mafia, we need to be actively scumhunting - not lurkerhunting. [quote][QUOTE]On September 25 2013 23:22 playerboy345 wrote: If I were scum and town was going to lynch lurkers I wouldn't be scared at all, just jump on the bandwagon, provide some arguments and you're cool.[/quote] his arguments seem to improve as the thread goes on -- i'm getting really tired now so i'm starting to skim..will reread his filter and post more tomorrow -- but for now he seems to be genuine and making an effort, so i don't see him as a strong lynch candidate for d2 atm. baja + Show Spoiler + as far as i can tell, this guy has only posted analysis on afk'ers. this is useless and pointless in my book. i don't take issue with the fact that he chose to go with a policy lynch for d1. however, if he doesn't start giving thoughts on the people actually participating in this game, i will find him suspicious. stormtemplar + Show Spoiler + some people have been throwing this guy's name around, but looking through his filter i find nothing that screams a scum tell, but at the same time, nothing particularly memorable. for now he's not ranked high in my book alright i'm fking tired and my analysis is getting shittier as it goes on. i'll need to reeval some of the filters tomorrow. here's the tl;dr: i'd lean towards wonderboy followed by baja for d2 lynch given the current situation. i didn't bother evaluating the afk'ers. blurry, i'm holding you to your promise to post! xIvanJ is a joke -- vig should just shoot him if we still have one. funny thing is now that i think about the ridiculous nature of jayte's posts, i suspect he's actually vanilla town... | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:08 Balla24 wrote: Dang, didn't think we could post during night. Cool ^_^ Just to shed some light on what I was thinking at the end of the day: I was already suspicious of MLuneth due to his posts earlier today. I didn't want to vote him initially because I was more suspicious of Blurry for his inactivity after his intro post (which was completely unlike him based on that other game). Once I realized that we might be wasting a lynch since he might get modkilled, I wanted to switch my target. MLuneth was the only person i was suspicious of at the time. I honestly wish I hadn't gotten distracted though and didn't have to rush my vote because re-reading through this I definitely made a mistake. If I could do it again, I would have stayed on Blurry but the modkill talk made me scared to waste the lynch. This might have been a good situation to no-lynch as well. You live and you learn I guess. Regardless, we need to get Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte active. Also, let's start the voting process earlier day 2 so we don't have to rush it. Blurry says he's going to post his thoughts before the end of the night so let's make sure we hold him to that. As far as the active(ish) people: I'm feeling pretty good about Bereft because even with the hasty vote and (not that I did any better) how he appears less interested than at the start. He also didn't hop on any bandwagons so there's that too, if he were mafia he probably would have hopped on the MLuneth bandwagon, especially since he picked up on the Vigi claim (i didn't pick that up, chalk it up to inexperience I guess). I'm still not very convinced about stormtemplar. Waiting for his defense, he was here recently and should definitely be posting his defense. Hopefully, if he is scum, we can see some holes and I can hop on board the jonnylaw/heavenz train. I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow. following your logic, if you switched to mluneth instead of blurry because you "didn't want to waste a lynch" on someone getting modkilled, how is targeting xlvanj and jayte any different since they'll also get modkilled/replaced if they don't vote again? | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:21 Bereft wrote: Sorry I don't understand the question. Are you asking why I didn't switch to xIvanj or jayte instead of MLuneth?following your logic, if you switched to mluneth instead of blurry because you "didn't want to waste a lynch" on someone getting modkilled, how is targeting xlvanj and jayte any different since they'll also get modkilled/replaced if they don't vote again? | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:23 Bereft wrote: balla, who's your biggest scum read at the moment? this is a pretty weak excuse I'm reading more into Bajablood's filter atm. He seems a bit sketchy. He's making empty promises: - Saying he will analyze Stormtemplar in the 20 minutes before vote and post his thoughts and then not posting anything about him. - Saying we had his full attention now that he was back from work and that he would post his thoughts on everybody when he has time. It's now getting close to sleep time for NA and still nothing (he is central time) I also agree with you though, he seems to be analyzing the lurkers a lot, which is somewhat helpful but not nearly as helpful as the rest of the stuff he says he's going to do but doesn't. | ||
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Bereft
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Zaragon
Sweden235 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:15 Bereft wrote: here's my thought dump. zaragon: + Show Spoiler + looking at his filter, right now he reads very pro-town, as he seems to be making an effort to keep the thread on track and provide transparency on his opinions and thought process on current players. BUT i do find his voting incongruous: On September 26 2013 04:24 Zaragon wrote: No opinion on MLuneth. Actually, if he feels comfortable enough to throw that question out (and I think I can figure out what the question is actually asking), that's pretty towny to me by itself, just odd. I have no personality read on him as yet to back that up, though, so neutral to me. i was surprised that he of all people led the bandwagon on mluneth as i took the above comment as him interpreting mluneth's question to mean that he was vig. in addition, i find it odd that he says this: On September 27 2013 03:22 Zaragon wrote: EBWOP: For clarity, I would like to push for Blurry right now since MLuneth is still participating, but I don't want us to set our votes on Blurry and not be able to change them if he comes in with good points. but then right at the last minute switches his vote to mluneth. On September 27 2013 06:40 Zaragon wrote: Got caught up in an intriguing conversation with a friend, now the hour is late. MLuneth is the only person who has posted considerable amounts that I would vote for. I don't know if he's bad town or scum either, it's strange to assert himself like he does as either town or scum and then not to be responding now. Feels like scum constructing a case and dropping off at suspicions. I wanted to push Blurry to contribute, he hasn't. I'm comfortable switching off him for now since he doesn't even seem to be coming in to vote. ##Vote MLuneth please shed some light on what made you change your mind from voting for a lurker to an "active" participant. you initially say you prefer to vote for mluneth because he's still participating, but later change your vote because he disappeared from the thread while blurry didn't post anything either. i noticed you used the same argument when you FOS'ed blurry earlier in the day: On September 27 2013 01:53 Zaragon wrote: so would like to hear your explanation. i really want to believe you're town, but this contradicting behavior makes me wary.Blurry... still nothing. Could have real life explanations, but I have a bad feeling he rolled scum, started working on his first post being as pro town as possible, then realized he didn't know how to follow up as scum. I want to vote for him the most out of the lurkers, to be honest. heavenz: + Show Spoiler + town lean as well, for the moment. he's actively calling players out, applying pressure, and not afraid to share his opinions. will have no issue with him if he keeps up the current behavior. balla24 + Show Spoiler + this guy's coming off somewhat town atm. initially this post brought up a red flag: On September 26 2013 11:37 Balla24 wrote: I'm not really getting any bad vibes from anybody at this point. Really need to hear from the less talkative people at this point to get a read off of them. As far as town reads I'm liking Zaragon for sure, and maybee Bereft. Both of them have been quite active in trying to move the discussion forward and providing their reads. They have also been looking into other's past games which i think is quite helpful for us. We just really need to hear from the quiet ones at this point though, they are really stalling the game and it's been a whole 24 hours. Some people have 1/2 posts only and have been quite weird. If we're not going to hear from them though, i'd like to hear a bit more from Heavenz now that some time has passed, maybe there are more insights about how people are acting first day compared to that last game they played together. Blurry specifically, as his opening post -> sudden quietness is worrying from what I hear so far about his play. while i agree that it's hard to have a good scum read on someone at that point, he brings nothing new to this table with this post. all he says is we need to hear from the inactives. his comment on blurry seems to merely be an echo of what i (and zaragon i believe) said before. he posts some analysis afterwards which assuages some of my suspicious, but later on, like zaragon, also changes his mind from voting inactives to a more active scum read. not too apprehensive of this player at the moment, but i would like to hear his analysis on the current players. brb gonna shower then read the rest of the filters Lots of little things went wrong. I'll break down my thought process: I did read MLuneth as soft-claiming a role and wanted to draw attention away from it at first. That's partly why my instinct later went "huh, I've stopped paying attention to this guy since I'm just hoping he'll live through the night... and those things he's saying make absolutely no sense. But he's trying really hard to make a case with those things. Makes sense for that mindset to use the question to protect himself as scum." Suddenly why I wanted to keep him safe became why I really thought he was scum playing badly rather than town playing badly. No response felt like scum slipping under radar. He'd have had plenty of time to make any kind of defense, unfortunately he was never around again. With the voting too. Blurry's opening post could be just pure newbie-friendliness, but it was clearly constructed whether he's town or scum, and he put it out there only to disappear (looks like he's back now). No explanation about being away or some such, just that block of what amounts to gameplay advice. I wanted to put some serious pressure on him since I read up on his last game, and have hopes for him as a strong town or a dangerous scum. That'd be how to figure out which, when the opening post was what it was. So I wanted to push Blurry, see what his alignment was, then either stay or go back on MLuneth. Neither player even appeared... So much for either part of that plan. Up to you what you actually think of the plan. I'm berating myself for the mistake, though I'm not sure I even should: I firmly believe it would've been good play if I had any counter-push or at least activity from Blurry or MLuneth. Both were scummy and I expected both to be readable when pressured. I've gone back to look at playerboy and Stormtemplar. Just the one oddity, but would like it explained by playerboy. onlywonderboy give us reads please. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:26 Bereft wrote: no, i'm saying if you switched to a more active player d1 because you didn't want to waste a lynch on someone getting modkilled, following that logic, why should we vote for xlvanj / jayte / blurry d2? i'm referring again in particular to this line: Because they didn't get modkilled so they still have the chance to show up. I mean if we want to just assume they aren't gonna show up again and thus get modkilled that's fine but I still think we need to pressure them. If they are gonna play they need to play. And i'm not saying we should vote for them but pressure them. Let's not waste too much time on it though, but we should definitely be bringing it up every few posts so that they have higher chance to see the pressure. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:30 Bereft wrote: also, is this game like 90% euros or something? there's like no one to play with me when i'm able to get on, and lots of posting when i'm at work I think so T_T. I think there is a total of like... 3 or 4 NA players. Me, you, onlywonderboy(i think) and maybe someone else. | ||
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onlywonderboy
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johnny + Show Spoiler + while reading through the thread, i didn't like this guy. but reading his filter specifically, this post gives him a town read for now. i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, provided this type of analysis continues. + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2013 04:05 JonnyLaw wrote: + Show Spoiler [Blurry] + His first post was good but not enough to give any read. I really hope he contributes something soon because his lack of participation is hurting the game and his chances of surviving the lynch. + Show Spoiler [playerboy345] + He's been active in trying to move discussion forward throughout the game. Feels okay to me for now. + Show Spoiler [heavenz] + heavenz willingness to question people's reads puts him out there more than he may want at this point if he was scum. Again, seems all right to keep around for now. He's contributing and trying to force slips out of people. + Show Spoiler [onlywonderboy] + owb I've read most of your LOL material. You can write and critically think. WHAT did you like about playerboy's analysis in particular? What are your opinions on the other twelve players in this game? I'm not liking the read I'm getting here. + Show Spoiler [stormtemplar] + stormtemplar is looking scummy to me. He writes a lot and yet says nothing. He's basically said he agrees zaragon might be town, he doesn't know about playerboy and death to all lurkers while telling others to contribute more to the thread. He's trying to misdirect and confuse discussion rather than forwarding it which I do not care for. + Show Spoiler [Zaragon] + Zaragon has been making similar reads to my own throughout the game and pushing for strong participation. He definitely feels more town than many others in the game. His willingness to focus on particular people could mean he's trying to get attention away from himself and the rest of the mafia but for now it's too early to say. I give him the benefit of the doubt. + Show Spoiler [Balla24] + Balla24 reads fairly town. He's been agreeing with heavenz and Zaragon whom I also like for the town. I could be getting fooled here and there are two mafia in their threesome. For now, there's better options to lynch though. + Show Spoiler [xIvanJ is useless] + One outta 13 aint too bad boys. Hopefully our replacement can play. + Show Spoiler [Jayte] + Could be lurking as a mafia. I just can't read him from the level of content he's put out. + Show Spoiler [MLuneth] + I want to call this guy scum from my gut. I really, really want to do it. But re-reading his posts just make me think he's a bit hasty and not scum at all. There are grammatical errors, shortened words and that half written post he managed to post. I dunno, he doesn't feel like mafia at this point in the game. + Show Spoiler [BajaBlood] + Hasn't said a lot. Could be leaning mafia, but he's okay for now. + Show Spoiler [bereft] + I know he said he'd be busy but why is no one mentioning his inactivity? Still, not the best candidate for a lynch. Okay here's my summation. Blurry, bereft (who did say he would be busy), Jayte and xIvanJ are inactive. I still think we should look for a better lynch candidate for today. I like zaragon, balla24 and heavenz contribution but I might be getting fooled because they seem to agree quite often. But hell, they're reasonable opinions. Time to see where people cast their votes. I've read through stormtemplar's posts multiple times now. He literally says nothing in them. Clogging conversation after being accused of being scum. I disagree and he's just trying to change the focus away from himself. Until he puts up a better defense of himself #vote stormtemplar wonderboy + Show Spoiler + this guy's posting has been waaay subpar, especially coming from a TL writer! i want to call out this post in particular: On September 26 2013 22:29 onlywonderboy wrote: I think I got scared into writing one liners due to people claiming we were going to lynch non-active people. But, tis true, I should have transitioned into writing more useful posts. This is still my first game so I'm trying to take a lot of it in. I have pretty much zero knowledge of everyone in this game so getting a read off of people on a relatively few number of pages is proving more difficult than I had hoped. That said, stand outs right now: Jayte: Joke post to start off the game, hasn't contributed anything of value. Isn't trying to cause chaos in the town, but his absence is questionable. Mentions being busy with work, could just be throwing that out so we don't seem suspicious MLuneth: Had that odd question to start, could have easily asked a coach instead of putting it in the thread. playerboy: Great analysis of all the players. But, imo, it seemed like a post that was trying too hard to put the spotlight on "Hey, look, I'm helping the town!" I'm definitely not saying he should be a candidate for the first lynch, but just something to keep in mind in the future. the threatened lynch on lurkers should make you one to SPEAK UP if anything, not post pointless one liners. also calls playerboy's post "great analysis", which i believe others have called out as well. what exactly did you find great? he hasn't clarified this but says he will. i'll be waiting to see what he says. his vote on blurry also seems like a 'safe' vote, in that other players (myself, zaragon to name a few) have already tossed blurry's name about as someone whose current posting is deviating from his pro-town posting in previous games. right now, i say wonderboy's a pretty decent candidate for the lynch. playerboy + Show Spoiler + i find playerboy's argument against threatening to lynch lurkers and description on 'what mafia will do in that scenario' pretty bad and one dimensional. On September 25 2013 21:50 playerboy345 wrote: After rereading the previous page I found this: The only thing you CAN achieve with lynching lurkers is getting people to be more active, and I'm pretty sure we need to hunt scum, not force people to write meaningless posts. It puts literally ZERO pressure on the mafia, we need to be actively scumhunting - not lurkerhunting. his arguments seem to improve as the thread goes on -- i'm getting really tired now so i'm starting to skim..will reread his filter and post more tomorrow -- but for now he seems to be genuine and making an effort, so i don't see him as a strong lynch candidate for d2 atm. baja + Show Spoiler + as far as i can tell, this guy has only posted analysis on afk'ers. this is useless and pointless in my book. i don't take issue with the fact that he chose to go with a policy lynch for d1. however, if he doesn't start giving thoughts on the people actually participating in this game, i will find him suspicious. stormtemplar + Show Spoiler + some people have been throwing this guy's name around, but looking through his filter i find nothing that screams a scum tell, but at the same time, nothing particularly memorable. for now he's not ranked high in my book alright i'm fking tired and my analysis is getting shittier as it goes on. i'll need to reeval some of the filters tomorrow. here's the tl;dr: i'd lean towards wonderboy followed by baja for d2 lynch given the current situation. i didn't bother evaluating the afk'ers. blurry, i'm holding you to your promise to post! xIvanJ is a joke -- vig should just shoot him if we still have one. funny thing is now that i think about the ridiculous nature of jayte's posts, i suspect he's actually vanilla town... Writing about LoL is nothing like writing for this game lol. It's like a completely different set of mental tools when it comes to analysis. I guess my point is the skills aren't a 1-1 transfer ratio so I'm still adjusting. I think I accidentally dug myself into a hole when I used the word "great." I liked the post, mostly because he included everyone (even if he didn't have much to say) and was a good place to start a lot of discussion. Knowing the type of game this is and how super analytical people are expected to be, I should have been more careful with my word choice. | ||
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