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On September 13 2013 06:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage.
IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE....
Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it. That's a pretty weird thing to ask, a weird thing to hound on since I pointed out it didn't even matter and wasn't even a major part of my post, wouldn't deserve that reaction as well.
It's kush....
Could you elaborate on your thoughts on Old Partner's posts?
Also if you read what i asked from / talked with Vayne could you give your thoughts on that matter?
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On September 13 2013 05:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm blaming rayn and vayne for turning this thread into a shitshow in the last half hour.
You are right Koshi, my mistake. It was Sno.
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On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage.
IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE....
Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it.
When you have finished reading the thread give us your thoughts.
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So debears can you comment on my post on OP, the one that was especially pointed to you?
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On September 13 2013 06:50 Koshi wrote:
Not really sure which one I would like to lynch today.
lynch SnB. Others are prolly town.
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what's good in what SnB said about me?
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WHAT IS GOOD? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING "THIS GUY IS SAYING GOOD THINGS"? WHTA'S GOOD, TELL ME?
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On September 13 2013 07:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious.
My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said.
I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.
You say that this is incorrect? If I read this I nod my head and think "yeah this is true". But in the end he doesn't commit to shit. I also have a problem that he uses the example about you grilling me about OP for 2 hours, which was pretty tedious indeed, but then twists this conversation between us to make everything else he says about you true or at least have more value. tldr: I feel like SnB is being sneaky.
First of all, all he bases his "read" on me is "OP's questions". We have talked about that, i gave my opinion, you gave your opinion, we came into different conclusion. That's like 2% of our posts.
Now what does this post say. "rayn might be scum because of his argument with Koshi". That's a really small portion of things that i have discussed this game, yet it's the only thing he brings up and that's where he bases his read on (which isn't a read at all btw).
Also note the timing, what was going on at that time? debears and Sno calling me scum for something i did in another game (lol) and some people gaining interest in lynching me. What do you think SnB was trying to achieve?
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debears, i have a question for you:
Is SnB's post right or wrong?
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On September 13 2013 07:26 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Hold on a sec
Raynp- you have a town read on VA correct?
right, why?
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On September 13 2013 07:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.
5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?
5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).
6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those? Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense. Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's. Whatever happened to all this: "I think SnB is town" stuff "vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect?
Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi.
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On September 13 2013 07:32 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 07:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.
5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?
5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).
6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those? Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense. On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's. Whatever happened to all this: "I think SnB is town" stuff "vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect? Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi. So you spent all that time defending VA and SnB, yet you suddenly lose all of it for one post? That doesn't make any sense at all
Uhh... lol, it does.
The post was horrible, the timing was horrible, the post didn't say anything at all but cast doubt on me for no reason. HE fucked off right after the post even when i asked to elaborate on it.
It was so fucking scummy. Everything in it screams scum!
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Let's say you have a townread on me and you have been defending me all game long.
I claim scum.
Can someone then say "lol debears, what happened to your townread on rayn?? you are full of shit now!"
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You are reading the post out of context debears. Read the thread 3 pages before that and ->
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The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum.
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TLDR; He is not accusing me (no tracing back to him if lynched) but he is telling people to lynch me (good, mislynch).
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You know, there is a reason why i lynched marv over Sylencia in Desert. I know how this shit works because i know how to play scum and fuck with townies.
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On September 13 2013 07:57 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate
What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something?
Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT?
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