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Votes I found notable and some discussion of them:
Rayn:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637796
Most notable vote in his filter, really.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660719
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660788
Why does Rayn repeatedly leave his vote on people he doesn’t really think are mafia? Screams throughout the day that X is scum (TK on D1, Hapa on D2) and then votes for lurky mislynches twice? Possible mafia.
Sylencia:
Not active in the voting much, and his voteposts aren’t TERRIBLE. inconclusive.
Onegu:
Votes for FT based on basically nothing D1. Unvotes when argued at, but finds another bad excuse to vote for him again at the end of the day. D2 votes Slam and never moves his vote. Possible mafia.
Sn0:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19635723
“consolidation vote” on Slam
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637580
“consolidation vote” on FT
Both instances, doesn’t seem to care which of them gets lynched. Mentions Syl/Oats as other people he MIGHT vote for at other odd times, but never makes a real push himself. Squirms out of voting for Syl because of something Marv said. Possible mafia.
Hapa:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637052
Weird from Hapa to be so indecisive about lynching Syl, but understandable I guess.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637746
Defeated or scum? Hard to know.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660890
Only vote D2 is a case on Oats that simultaneously removes impetus from the Slam lynch. Could see Town Hapa doing this, tbh.
TK/Thrawn:
Vote on slam is not that bad D1. Doesn’t waffle around much. Discusses the lynch a lot.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19639238
Notably agrees with my Onegu analysis. Not a vote but noteworthy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660903
Disturbing that he defends Oats earlier on in the day only to find his vote there later one because “Hapa is convincing”
Overall, not very conclusive.
Marv:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637106
syrup and waffle. Notably, also doesn’t seem to give too much of a fuck which of FT/Slam gets lynched
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637549
wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaffffffffffffffffffllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660681
votes for slam D2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660965
then votes for Oats, again waffling about slam
Does he care who gets lynched? Doesn’t look like it
Not terribly conclusive, but out of the three, I would pick Rayn/Marv/Onegu as the worst and the ones I will concentrate on in my next step: a read of the thread.
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it's be nice for some feedback to know if I'm even looking in the right direction
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Any analysis on marv is plenty welcome. I agree that voting was kinda messed up. I had hoped it would be more informative but as I've said the fact that so many early candidates have been revealed as townies makes it hard to nail down scum motivation in any particular vote.
Rayn plays too fucked up as town for me to think he is certainly scum almost regardless, and I'm hoping to be very certain about today's lynch. As I've said, I don't see myself voting for his lynch today.
Regarding everybody else, well my stance is still basically "convince me". I honestly re-read a LOT of this game today and it isn't really becoming much clearer.
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What about Onegu?
He looks pretty fucking bad, IMO
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Iunno, I can see his reasons for lynching tofu and slam and I can see why its hard for him to establish scum candidates. He plays like this pretty much every game yeah?
He certainly doesn't look good, but as we've covered, town needs a sure thing here. Sell me.
PS: WTF why is nobody else around? :/
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I don't feel good about lynching Hapa because you're probably right about the doctor claim. That, and I've played like shit until now and I think I should completely ignore my biases against him.
Not lynching thrawn. He sucks ass at mafia and I highly doubt he would be able to pull this off.
Sylencia actually looks the best out of every save Hapa/Thrawn on the voting. That combined with his general higher activity than normal makes me think he's town.
I looked hard at you last night but I have begun to seriously doubt that you're actually mafia. You seemed to play just like this in Persona.
that really only leaves Marv/Rayn/Onegu as possible mafia, and I can believe any one of them capable of playing the way they have this game as mafia. I had townreads on them before because of how much they fuck up the thread, but I realize that Rayn is known for doing that kind of thing as scum with his scumbuddy before.
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I kinda want to kill yamato just for his incredibly terrible analysis on my voting.
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On September 05 2013 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I kinda want to kill yamato just for his incredibly terrible analysis on my voting.
You're the one that said in the post you voted that it was a mislynch.
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On September 05 2013 03:56 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I kinda want to kill yamato just for his incredibly terrible analysis on my voting. You're the one that said in the post you voted that it was a mislynch.
Yeah, i voted 4 minutes before the deadline. So fucking what where my vote is because nobody else was gonna get lynched?
You are completely ignoring i saved confirmed town Oats before that from getting mislynched and i had been telling people to vote for thrawn instead for the whole day. All you saa is that i voted for mislynch and my reasoning for the vote is bad. Your analysis is full of shit.
I wanted to lynch Hapa on D2. That's right. And when it became clear that will not happen i voted for Alakaslam who was the opposing wagon of Oatsmaster, at the last moments of the day. Because it was the only lynch that could have possibly happened besides Oatsmaster. Why does that make me mafia? There are two possible lynches, one of them is 99% town for me and the other one is not. Who the fuck should i vote when people do not want to vote for people i think are scum?
So how does Snodude look so much better than me from D1/D2 voting and actions? Explain it to me very carefully. All i see from him is that he is now trying push my lynch because suddenly my vet claim can't be true and uses that as a reason to accuse me. It's really funny because he did not bring that up on D2. The obvious contradiction here is that he has been thinking (like you) that it might be true when debears was "confirmed" veteran, now that he is confirmed third faction my claim looks suddenly a lot worse? How does that make any sense at all? He has also not done anything in the game besides giving bad analysis / agreeing with bad analysis now. Hell the dude wouldn't even share his scumreads on N2 "because the game would end anyways". That's bullshit. It's also bullshit that he says i am the one who has most likely been right in this game and then i'm his top candidate for lynch. The guy is scum because he hasn't done anything to help this town and has not shared any insight on anything that would even considered to be good analysis and right way to look into.
thrawn is also scum. After the heat got off him on D2 start all he has done is gave one post about Onegu and that's it. Besides that he has been useless. "Hey let's stay in the shadows and see Hapa/Oats getting mislynched today". Oh and btw Onegu redeemed himself later on, with his post about asking hosts about if he can talk about a game or not, and his good analysis on Sno.
Then, another scum is very likely to be marv. Hopefully someone is able to explain why because i can't point ot anything specific that makes him scum, but i am pretty sure he is one. I don't see him trying to find scum here, he is just chit chatting with people and throwing his votes around without trying much.
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This isn't an argument, lol.
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Rayn I've been saying I don't wish to lynch you. The thread isn't going very fast right now, you can afford to read it properly I think.
I agree with your perspective on marv.
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yamato explain you full 180 on Sno_man.
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On September 05 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato explain you full 180 on Sno_man.
no
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On September 05 2013 01:47 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:I can wait, but so far your "mulligan" feels a lot more like: Well of my 3 man "scum-team" (aka mislynch-roster), 2 have proven themselves or flipped town. I really need an excuse to 180 on everything so... "Mulligan" time. It is true, town in the same situation does the same thing, but I really don't see town starting off with some BS about hapa not being confirmed town  . Voting far less informative this game than I had hoped since Day 1 was fairly "runaway" with 8 votes to 3, and day 2 was a "close race" between 2 townies. However, if you can spot anything really useful I'd love to hear it. I do somewhat feel like Syl and Thrawn look a bit bad from day 1 voting, but nothing too conclusive. I look deeper than just the votecounts. A really effective tactic is to scan through someone's filter looking at votes and unvotes, and read why they voted or unvoted.I already have a sneaking suspicion about one player just based off this.
This is the funniest post in thread. Compare this to yamato's "analysis" of my voting and actions.. rofl.
Maybe we should just lynch him.
##Vote: yamato77
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Sorry its almost 4am and I had a really busy day, but yamato what is your thought process in analyzeing votes when the three main wagons have all flipped town? I be back tomorrow and reread the thread. But right now my scumteam is sn0, syl and not sure on the third.
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On September 05 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 01:47 yamato77 wrote:On September 05 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:I can wait, but so far your "mulligan" feels a lot more like: Well of my 3 man "scum-team" (aka mislynch-roster), 2 have proven themselves or flipped town. I really need an excuse to 180 on everything so... "Mulligan" time. It is true, town in the same situation does the same thing, but I really don't see town starting off with some BS about hapa not being confirmed town . Voting far less informative this game than I had hoped since Day 1 was fairly "runaway" with 8 votes to 3, and day 2 was a "close race" between 2 townies. However, if you can spot anything really useful I'd love to hear it. I do somewhat feel like Syl and Thrawn look a bit bad from day 1 voting, but nothing too conclusive. I look deeper than just the votecounts. A really effective tactic is to scan through someone's filter looking at votes and unvotes, and read why they voted or unvoted.I already have a sneaking suspicion about one player just based off this. This is the funniest post in thread. Compare this to yamato's "analysis" of my voting and actions.. rofl. Maybe we should just lynch him. ##Vote: yamato77
You're tipped your hand. Since when did you lose your confidence in me being town?
Today we lynch scum.
##Vote Raynpelikoneet
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On September 05 2013 05:57 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2013 01:47 yamato77 wrote:On September 05 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:I can wait, but so far your "mulligan" feels a lot more like: Well of my 3 man "scum-team" (aka mislynch-roster), 2 have proven themselves or flipped town. I really need an excuse to 180 on everything so... "Mulligan" time. It is true, town in the same situation does the same thing, but I really don't see town starting off with some BS about hapa not being confirmed town . Voting far less informative this game than I had hoped since Day 1 was fairly "runaway" with 8 votes to 3, and day 2 was a "close race" between 2 townies. However, if you can spot anything really useful I'd love to hear it. I do somewhat feel like Syl and Thrawn look a bit bad from day 1 voting, but nothing too conclusive. I look deeper than just the votecounts. A really effective tactic is to scan through someone's filter looking at votes and unvotes, and read why they voted or unvoted.I already have a sneaking suspicion about one player just based off this. This is the funniest post in thread. Compare this to yamato's "analysis" of my voting and actions.. rofl. Maybe we should just lynch him. ##Vote: yamato77 You're tipped your hand. Since when did you lose your confidence in me being town? Today we lynch scum. ##Vote Raynpelikoneet
Are you really voting the guy with the 20 page filter and is emotionally switching votes on the drop of a hat?
Really?
Also, what happened to your Sn0 read?
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Since you did a 180 on all of your townreads and suddenly they are all scum and your scumreads become town.
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Yay hapa is here.
Hapa I need somebody to sheep. Yam and rayn aren't any good for that right now. Find me scum!
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On September 05 2013 06:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yay hapa is here.
Hapa I need somebody to sheep. Yam and rayn aren't any good for that right now. Find me scum!
Yamato is being really really bad. I really want to kill Yamato, though I intend to give him a bit more time to see what he comes up with.
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