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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 03:26 GMT
#1941
So I have some more time to reconsider, hm.

Going to mulligan everything. Consider all of my posts before this one completely meaningless.

I will carry this. I'm the best positioned to do so.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 04:03 GMT
#1942
On September 04 2013 12:26 yamato77 wrote:
So I have some more time to reconsider, hm.

Going to mulligan everything. Consider all of my posts before this one completely meaningless.

I will carry this. I'm the best positioned to do so.


How quickly can you mulligan? We have 48 hours. Gotta move quick.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 04:57 GMT
#1943
On September 04 2013 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 12:26 yamato77 wrote:
So I have some more time to reconsider, hm.

Going to mulligan everything. Consider all of my posts before this one completely meaningless.

I will carry this. I'm the best positioned to do so.


How quickly can you mulligan? We have 48 hours. Gotta move quick.

I'm going to do it tonight. I have time.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 15:26 GMT
#1944
raynpelikoneet
Sylencia
Onegu
yamato77
Tutankoopa/Thrawn
marvellosity

For there almost certainly being 3 scum in those 6 players this game sure is hard.

Debears wanted to lynch rayn until he got modkilled, and I agree that rayn's vet claim makes *no* sense given the conditional nature of all the power roles we know of so far (admittedly the scum RB doesn't seem very conditional).

However, If we mislynch today the water level hits 1000 no matter what (based on my understanding of how the water mechanic is working) so... I feel like there are too many unknowns for a rayn lynch right now.

Lynching yamato is surprisingly attractive right now given that his 3-man scumteam of last night are all town, although I'm willing to see what he can come up with on the "mulligan". I mean, his activity has distinctly spiked compared to his last 3 consecutive scum-games which gives me a few misgivings, but I'm willing to believe that he is easily capable of putting on that one spat with marv/hapa at the start then calming down as scum.

My gut says sylencia is another real candidate, at least in part because of how smoothly the lynch slid off of him D1 when its clear that the only 2 lynch candidates D1 that could possibly be scum were thrawn and him.

Other than that, most of what I have to say is simply that this thread would be 18 million times easier to read and easier for town to solve if rayn didn't feel the need to ruin it constantly :/ Marv managed to inflate his filter by 3 or so pages purely calling rayn a dumbass, which is entirely correct but also makes it harder to really follow marv and it's hard not to have some suspicions there when the game has gone so poorly.

Sorry that post was mostly just me typing whatever came into my head.

PS: Useless setup speculation: It's safe to say that scum NK's are worth 50 water, since they achieved their NK tonight and it balanced-out perfectly with our doctor save. In addition, for balance reasons it prevents town losing D2 if town mislynches twice (which we did). As such, while I'm really unsure if it would help town much, a no-lynch isn't too unreasonable an option. Admittedly all that happens is we lose our doctor (ugh) but I'm willing to assume that he will be roleblocked and killed in fairly short order anyway so this isn't too huge a loss. The problem is that we need his insight for as long as possible. TL;DR we are at MyLo not Lylo or w/e. If we mislynch we lose but if we no-lynch we don't lose on the spot.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 15:30 GMT
#1945
Believe it or not I went through the filter of virtually every living player to make that. And really, what I found out was that rayn made the thread a disaster. I'm somewhat tempted to blame part of that on marv (and I guess myself) and call marv scum but I don't see any real tells beyond "failing miserably to catch scum". Which the entire thread is mostly guilty of (I can't deny, rayn is probably the only person who could potentially have been mostly correct so far, though I'm finding it hard to believe).
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 16:11 GMT
#1946
On August 22 2013 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
Setup


Q&A


  • Scum factional KP is 1.
  • All players, regardless of role, are notified of roleblocks.
  • Only passively protected roles receive a hit notification.
  • Scum chooses a member to carry out the night hit. If they so choose, a member can kill and use a role in the same night. If the mafia member carrying out the night kill is roleblocked, no kill will take place. If he carried out the NK AND used a role both will be stopped with a roleblock.
  • Passive abilities are NOT roleblockable.
  • Passive roles may be self-aware, or they may not be.
  • Fakeclaims will be provided, but I won't comment on how safe or unsafe they are.



On September 04 2013 07:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Since we're approaching LYLO, claiming seems like the best option. A mass-claim is probably a good idea right now.

I'm the Conditional Doctor. I can only use my power when the "water level" is over 750, and a successful save reduces the water level by 50.

No breadcrumbs, nor do I ever use them as town.

Saving debears, and hopefully a successful save and a drop in water-level will vindicate my claim to those suspicious of me.

Wish me luck!


On September 04 2013 08:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:
On September 04 2013 07:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Since we're approaching LYLO, claiming seems like the best option. A mass-claim is probably a good idea right now.

I'm the Conditional Doctor. I can only use my power when the "water level" is over 750, and a successful save reduces the water level by 50.

No breadcrumbs, nor do I ever use them as town.

Saving debears, and hopefully a successful save and a drop in water-level will vindicate my claim to those suspicious of me.

Wish me luck!


What happened to the 50 water level drop? Is that only for saves from mafia kp?


Host gave me some vague answer, saying that "any blocked KP would result in -50 water level"


On September 04 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 04 2013 08:21 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:
On September 04 2013 07:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Since we're approaching LYLO, claiming seems like the best option. A mass-claim is probably a good idea right now.

I'm the Conditional Doctor. I can only use my power when the "water level" is over 750, and a successful save reduces the water level by 50.

No breadcrumbs, nor do I ever use them as town.

Saving debears, and hopefully a successful save and a drop in water-level will vindicate my claim to those suspicious of me.

Wish me luck!


What happened to the 50 water level drop? Is that only for saves from mafia kp?


Host gave me some vague answer, saying that "any blocked KP would result in -50 water level"

So you "don't know" what your save doe to water level, yet you include it in your claim!

SEEMS LEGIT BRO!


What are you even talking about?

I do know what it does with mafia KP. I.e if I block mafia KP, the water level goes down 50. I have no fucking clue what it does to 3rd party self-damaging shit


Upon close examination of the OP, the role PM of debears and the claim from Hapa, this is certainly noteworthy. It doesn't mean he's mafia, but I will not consider him confirmed town in my reread of the game, as he might wish for us to do today. There very well could be a mafia doctor in this strange setup.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 16:14 GMT
#1947
A mafia doctor that makes the water level go *down*? or how else are you explaining the water level netting -100 last night after debears's action AND there being a "successful" NK?

Yeah ur full of it.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 16:16 GMT
#1948
On September 05 2013 01:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
A mafia doctor that makes the water level go *down*? or how else are you explaining the water level netting -100 last night after debears's action AND there being a "successful" NK?

Yeah ur full of it.

How do you know how much an NK affects the water level, if at all? The OP says it does, but does that mean EVERY NK does?

I find it disturbing that you blindly trust claims in a closed setup.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 16:19 GMT
#1949
It's possible that this is a valid explanation, however. Still, one can never be too cautious. We lose on a mislynch.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 16:19 GMT
#1950
From OP:
On August 22 2013 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
Nightkills affect the point total. There are roles with potential of affecting the point total


That is pretty clear lol. I certainly don't blindly trust claims (see: rayn's BS), but I do trust obviously true ones. Anyway, I find it disturbing that this is what you feel is the most important point to bring forward after your "mulligan".
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 16:20 GMT
#1951
On September 05 2013 01:19 yamato77 wrote:
It's possible that this is a valid explanation, however. Still, one can never be too cautious. We lose on a mislynch.

Sure but trying to expand our lynch options to obvious town hapa is not "being cautious" its increasing our chances of a mislynch aka losing on the spot.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 16:28 GMT
#1952
On September 05 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 01:19 yamato77 wrote:
It's possible that this is a valid explanation, however. Still, one can never be too cautious. We lose on a mislynch.

Sure but trying to expand our lynch options to obvious town hapa is not "being cautious" its increasing our chances of a mislynch aka losing on the spot.

The whole point of a mulligan is to start the game completely fresh, without necessarily considering your preconceived notions of how people have played the game so far.

First, I try to figure out as much about the setup as I can, then I try to look at voting. If either of those fail to produce leads as to possible mafia, then I rely on carefully combing the thread for scumtells and the like. It's worked in the past. It will work this game.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 16:35 GMT
#1953
I can wait, but so far your "mulligan" feels a lot more like:
Well of my 3 man "scum-team" (aka mislynch-roster), 2 have proven themselves or flipped town. I really need an excuse to 180 on everything so... "Mulligan" time.

It is true, town in the same situation does the same thing, but I really don't see town starting off with some BS about hapa not being confirmed town .

Voting far less informative this game than I had hoped since Day 1 was fairly "runaway" with 8 votes to 3, and day 2 was a "close race" between 2 townies. However, if you can spot anything really useful I'd love to hear it. I do somewhat feel like Syl and Thrawn look a bit bad from day 1 voting, but nothing too conclusive.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 16:47 GMT
#1954
On September 05 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
I can wait, but so far your "mulligan" feels a lot more like:
Well of my 3 man "scum-team" (aka mislynch-roster), 2 have proven themselves or flipped town. I really need an excuse to 180 on everything so... "Mulligan" time.

It is true, town in the same situation does the same thing, but I really don't see town starting off with some BS about hapa not being confirmed town .

Voting far less informative this game than I had hoped since Day 1 was fairly "runaway" with 8 votes to 3, and day 2 was a "close race" between 2 townies. However, if you can spot anything really useful I'd love to hear it. I do somewhat feel like Syl and Thrawn look a bit bad from day 1 voting, but nothing too conclusive.

I look deeper than just the votecounts. A really effective tactic is to scan through someone's filter looking at votes and unvotes, and read why they voted or unvoted.

I already have a sneaking suspicion about one player just based off this.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 16:50 GMT
#1955
I hope it's marv
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 16:54 GMT
#1956
On September 05 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
I hope it's marv

Actually it's Rayn
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 16:59 GMT
#1957
Oooo. Hows it compare/contrast to last game where the only scummer he ever had his vote on (as a townie) was you?

Either way, looking forward to this expose of yours.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 17:03 GMT
#1958
On September 05 2013 01:59 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oooo. Hows it compare/contrast to last game where the only scummer he ever had his vote on (as a townie) was you?

Either way, looking forward to this expose of yours.

I'm building notes right now on all of you before I do anything like make a post.

I'm going to be sure of my suspicions before I do anything else.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 17:08 GMT
#1959
The rest of these aren't as conclusive as I would like, to be honest.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 17:15 GMT
#1960
On September 05 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
I hope it's marv

Marv does look really bad, too

Like holy fuck his votes are shit
Writer@WriterYamato
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