EPTHe literally dropped all his scumreads, they all became town, and all of his townreads are now scum.
No new evidence was brought up, besides sciberbia trying to shoot him, Hapa doccing debears and debears flipping 3p.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
He literally dropped all his scumreads, they all became town, and all of his townreads are now scum. No new evidence was brought up, besides sciberbia trying to shoot him, Hapa doccing debears and debears flipping 3p. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: above is a response to yamato He literally dropped all his scumreads, they all became town, and all of his townreads are now scum. No new evidence was brought up, besides sciberbia trying to shoot him, Hapa doccing debears and debears flipping 3p. 180's are possible. Hell remember you were telling me that Yamato "had to be town" only 24 hours ago. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Yam's scumreads: me/hapa/slam New information pertaining to that: hapa confirmed doctor, slam flipped town. When 2/3 of one's scumteam becomes confirmed town some 180's become necessary since one clearly wasn't going in the right direction. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Scum, as town aswell thought the game would end by the daypost, They can pull as accurate reads as they want at N2 end. The game did not end, town can still ahve a chance of winning. Time to go to damage control mode. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=98#1944 ... but really nothing conclusive from you. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
The person I'm most sure about being scum is probably marv, but I have the least real reasons for that. It's part gut and part the fact that I feel like the thread ought to make more sense than it does and I'm laying that at his feet. I thought Slam/Tofu/Oats were all scum and I came up dry 3 times :/ | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Rayn, you are heavily misconstruing this again. Yam's scumreads: me/hapa/slam New information pertaining to that: hapa confirmed doctor, slam flipped town. When 2/3 of one's scumteam becomes confirmed town some 180's become necessary since one clearly wasn't going in the right direction. Remember that yamato made an exactly same kind of an analysys post on you that Onegu did on N2. Even if Onegu is wrong, why would yamato think Onegu is mafia? Suddenly now, with no reasons given he thinks you are sure town and Onegu is scum. It makes zero sense. I can somehow understand his read change on marv. What new information has come up that makes me mafia in his eyes? He is justifying his change on his read on me by making vote analysis from D1. Bullshit, the information has been there and he has been calling me town for all game before this. Now my D1 voting is suddenly relevant? And besides that the analysis regarding me is horrible and makes no sense. I cannot possibly think a smart guy like yamato would make such a bullshit statement of Hapahauli possibly being a scum doctor. Yeah, fuck, i am not a vet according to him as i am scum. Where are town power roles? One vigilante against scum doc + roleblocker + possibly something else. Yeah, makes really a lot of sense. I am going to look at debears' and sciberbia's filtersreally close tomorrow and i encourage for you all to do so aswell. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:28 Sn0_Man wrote: Correct. I've read the thread and I'm pretty stumped. The person I'm most sure about being scum is probably marv, but I have the least real reasons for that. It's part gut and part the fact that I feel like the thread ought to make more sense than it does and I'm laying that at his feet. I thought Slam/Tofu/Oats were all scum and I came up dry 3 times :/ You seemed much more active in Persona 4 as town. Why the difference in activity this game? Also, when Yamato was tunneling me in the middle of the game, you basically said this: On September 03 2013 06:57 Sn0_Man wrote: Hmmm apologies all for nonexistant activity. Weekends and all that. Lets lynch oats. Hapa seems like a terrible lynch. Slam is an acceptable substitute but I don't feel like we are learning as much if we lynch him. He feels coinflippy whereas Oats feels scummy. ##Vote: Oatsmaster ... and left it at that. There was very little explanation to your read, and you seemed more dismissive of the suspicions on me than anything else. Can you explain your thought process a bit more? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Thrawn is admittedly AFK which isn't helping anything. I thought he had some contributions earlier though. Your last post made more sense about yamato. PS If yamato is scum I'm thinking its him/thrawn/marv which makes u look disgustingly smart  | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also can't see any reason for anyone to think thrawn is town. The dude has not done shit besides defended himself against me. Thrawn is notoriously bad at playing scum. He clams up a lot and starts playing very scared. Although this is all from a while ago, and I don't know how much it has changed. Also regarding that "vote analysis" post by Yamato, one thing that makes me think it's scummy is how absurdly shallow the reasoning in that post is. He looks at the vote posts, but none of the context and circumstance behind them. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Skimming through debears' filter, one thing that bothers me is that debears devoted his D1 to getting Sylencia lynched. All we know is that debears is genunine, and not that he's 100% correct. That being said, where the fuck is Syl? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:34 Hapahauli wrote: You seemed much more active in Persona 4 as town. Why the difference in activity this game? Also, when Yamato was tunneling me in the middle of the game, you basically said this: ... and left it at that. There was very little explanation to your read, and you seemed more dismissive of the suspicions on me than anything else. Can you explain your thought process a bit more? You will notice in persona I also afk'd an entire cycle over the weekend just like this game. In persona we lacked intelligent townies so I put forth what I could. Town was swallowing rayn's garbage so I essentially fought rayn (another townie) for days until he was NK'd then the game was literally already solved based on voting and such. I just had to bash some of the dumber townies into seeing it. PS I was wildly off on my reads most of the game anyway. This game there are plenty of smarter people so I don't need to get into shouting matches regarding awful lynches since nobody is dumb enough to listen to rayn very much. Unfortunately I'm not good at actually identifying scum from their play (see: persona) so I kinda suffer along and try to help where I can. Re: your lynch of course you were a terrible lynch. A) you were town and B) you were present, helpful, and discussing stuff. Oats wasn't the latter and didn't look the former. I would have defended marv in much the same way yesterday I think. No point in lynching potentially useful assets to town when there were options like oats. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:37 Hapahauli wrote: Actually Sn0, have you ever played a scum-game on this site? Yeah I replaced into a newbie as scum. Town literally had the game solved by votes when I replaced in tho I played scum very aggressively, trying to own town and force them into lynches that I wanted. I was the loudest voice in the thread, complaining about every bit of bad play from all these people and how they were much better lynches than my scumbuddy. Probably a mistake in hindsight but that was about it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399518¤tpage=56#1110 <- replacement post of the thread | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
In persona we lacked intelligent townies so I put forth what I could. Town was swallowing rayn's garbage so I essentially fought rayn (another townie) for days until he was NK'd then the game was literally already solved based on voting and such. I just had to bash some of the dumber townies into seeing it. PS I was wildly off on my reads most of the game anyway. This game there are plenty of smarter people so I don't need to get into shouting matches regarding awful lynches since nobody is dumb enough to listen to rayn very much. Unfortunately I'm not good at actually identifying scum from their play (see: persona) so I kinda suffer along and try to help where I can. This is not true. WoS was purposely playing anti-town from the beginning and refused to explain himself to me multiple times. What am i supposed to do? Of course i made mistakes and could have looked things more objectively but it's pretty hard when someone refuses to explain anything to you. If you remember D1 i said "I am sure geript is scum but i can't justify lynching him to myself because every anti-town thing he does WoS does it 100x". After WoS got lynched it took me two phases to solve the game, and the only thing i was not sure of was you, because of what you are doing here aswell right now. Discrediting me without any real reason to do so. You can call my play or methos as bad as you wish but that doesn't change the fact that when i get my shit together i find scum. You are not helping with you comments atm. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
That really isn't relevant to this game. I was merely explaining why I felt the need to be more active last game and why this game I've been fairly spectatorial. Either way, I'm out for a bit. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is not true. WoS was purposely playing anti-town from the beginning and refused to explain himself to me multiple times. What am i supposed to do? Of course i made mistakes and could have looked things more objectively but it's pretty hard when someone refuses to explain anything to you. If you remember D1 i said "I am sure geript is scum but i can't justify lynching him to myself because every anti-town thing he does WoS does it 100x". After WoS got lynched it took me two phases to solve the game, and the only thing i was not sure of was you, because of what you are doing here aswell right now. Discrediting me without any real reason to do so. You can call my play or methos as bad as you wish but that doesn't change the fact that when i get my shit together i find scum. You are not helping with you comments atm. Please stop going off against everyone who criticizes you. It really isn't productive, and makes people not want to post freely | ||
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