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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 30 2013 08:59 yamato77 wrote: You mean I really haven't called you scum since then? idk, seems off. I used to do it every game Marv is cooperative as town getting tunneled? wat | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Stop tunneling and work together. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
 ). I'm done though (mainly as I have a joint to smoke). | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On August 30 2013 09:00 Hapahauli wrote: Marv is cooperative as town getting tunneled? wat I guess I just have this feeling of Marv NOT being a dick to me in the past few games I've played with him. Turns out, it's because I haven't called him mafia, LOL. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
deal? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 30 2013 09:07 yamato77 wrote: okay you guys are town I'll fuck off and you can solve the game for me. deal? If I get shot tonight, this town goes to hell unless you put some effort into this. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On August 30 2013 09:07 Hapahauli wrote: If I get shot tonight, this town goes to hell unless you put some effort into this. if you get shot, I will play you're better at reading these unreadables than me I'll read syl/hopeless and post thoughts just for fun, but honestly who the fuck knows with those 2 | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 30 2013 09:09 yamato77 wrote: if you get shot, I will play you're better at reading these unreadables than me I'll read syl/hopeless and post thoughts just for fun, but honestly who the fuck knows with those 2 Hopeless and Syl are plenty readable. Sure there might not be a load of content now, but there will be. In the mean time, we may as well analyze what we have, and I think there are valid points against both. Also, can you give me more complete thoughts on Scib? You seem to be hinting suspicion at him in your giant readzzzz post, but I really can't tell how strong you're leaning one way or the other. | ||
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Tutankoopa
United States145 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Sylencia: I've played with him in 2-3 of his town-games, and they're for the most-part the same. He's not too active, but he's often very direct and articulate with his thoughts and suspicions. Now I haven't played in one of his scum-games, nor has he played one since his 3rd newbie game, so the scum-meta comparison isn't there (or if it is, it isn't reliable). However, this sudden deviation in his play, from articulate and direct to "omagod what is he thinking in his filter" makes me think he's scum having a hard time contributing as opposed to a lost townie. Hopeless1der: The one thing that puts me off from outright wanting to vote/lynch him is his early level of aggression so far. It's uncharacteristic of anything I've seen from him as town or scum. Regardless, his push on TK seems really forced, and he seems to show no interest in following through with questions on TK's allignment. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 30 2013 08:54 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sciberia Can you post the thoughts you had on Hopeless? It looks like he kinda vanished on us, so it'll give us something to discuss in civility in the meantime. Sure I'd be glad to. I agree mostly with what you have written about him, but have a couple things to add/emphasize. 1) Hopeless's defense of his vote on TK sounds too much to me like a justification of himself and not enough like an argument why TK is scum. + Show Spoiler [hopeless] + On August 30 2013 05:52 Hopeless1der wrote: My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote. Every time TK tries to respond to me, he says "but i wasnt really going to push him". No shit sherlock (insert sarcastic responses here). On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote: marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly. On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote: Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo. Hopeless has stuck to his "strong scumread" on TK but it doesn't seem to bother him too much that people like hapa/marv/myself are now quite sympathetic towards TK. I feel like from a townie there should be saying something like "Guys this is why he's scum. Why can't you see it? God this is so frustrating. Nobody believes me." I don't see any of this attitude in his filter. Instead his tone comes off more as "it's ok with me if you guys interpret TK's actions as town, but please accept my scummy interpretation as valid too so my vote looks justified". Basically I just do not feel like he is really trying to convince people that TK is scum, and one of the biggest defining traits of townies is that they fight tooth and nail to convince other townies of their best scum reads. Look at yamato and debears for contrast. I'm not saying they're necessarily town, but they don't take kindly to being disagreed with about their top scum reads. 2) Subtle contradiction / shift in emphasis At the beginning of the game, hopeless seems to be trying to make TK's first vote look bad: + Show Spoiler [hopeless] + On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote: actually nvm rayn ##unvote "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... Hopeless doesn't outright say it, but he went out of his way to mention how TK's vote was a "sheep on some uknown policy" rather than a "troll vote" and then he says the vote post wasn't "completely damning" which implies it is still somewhat damning. But recently he says he had no problem at all with the initial troll vote from TK and that his read on TK was a total null following that vote. It doesn't really match up for me, and this is the type of subtle shift that I believe is a fairly reliable scumtell. 3) More minor point, but overall hopeless's lack of activity, lack of initiative in talking about anyone other than TK, and lack of any townie sparks that i can discern make me feel more comfortable in voting him. ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 30 2013 07:50 Tutankoopa wrote: Have I not said I think it's pretty scummy? If not then... yeah. He's my top suspect but that's qualified by my "investigation" on him not quite being over yet. The only times I've gotten any town vibes from Hopeless were a few bits from his latest posts. If not for those I'd probably be voting for him right now. Antyhing more specific about these "vibes"? @ Debears On August 30 2013 07:54 debears wrote: You do raise what seem like valid points on Hopeless. I'm sticking with Syl since I've actually read his stuff. The one thing about Onegu is that he makes that summary post for his first post, which is fine. Yet, he doesn't hit the main events. It seems to me like he was nitpicking stuff he could just easily chime in about without further exploring. On the other side, his location makes it hard to communicate. And apparently he does this most games. -.- I would think one of Onegu/Syl is scum. Can you read Hopeless filter and get back to me on that? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
All i have heard is that he asked me 3 questions and then unvoted me and that makes him seem like a bright guy. I do not see anything in his filter that is even close to scumhunting. I don't see anything in his filter that is even close to giving out a decent scumread. I don't actually see anything in his filter that is giving out decent ANY read. | ||
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Tutankoopa
United States145 Posts
On August 30 2013 09:24 sciberbia wrote: 2) Subtle contradiction / shift in emphasis At the beginning of the game, hopeless seems to be trying to make TK's first vote look bad: + Show Spoiler [hopeless] + On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote: actually nvm rayn ##unvote "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... Hopeless doesn't outright say it, but he went out of his way to mention how TK's vote was a "sheep on some uknown policy" rather than a "troll vote" and then he says the vote post wasn't "completely damning" which implies it is still somewhat damning. But recently he says he had no problem at all with the initial troll vote from TK and that his read on TK was a total null following that vote. It doesn't really match up for me, and this is the type of subtle shift that I believe is a fairly reliable scumtell. I like this the most out of that post. This is something I brought up earlier and it sorta got ignored. This whole time hopeless has not been very forthright about exactly how seriously he was taking my first vote. He's explicitly said that he both did and didn't think that I was trying to push a policy lynch. Is there anything in my filter that makes anyone think that I've ever seriously wanted to lynch rayn? Or even that I've ever thought he's scum? No, so I don't know what the point of the case against me is. I dropped a case that was never actually a case, and because I didn't fully explain why I'm mafia? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 30 2013 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone explain to me why Tutankhamon is town? All i have heard is that he asked me 3 questions and then unvoted me and that makes him seem like a bright guy. I do not see anything in his filter that is even close to scumhunting. I don't see anything in his filter that is even close to giving out a decent scumread. I don't actually see anything in his filter that is giving out decent ANY read. It's kinda hard for me to take a serious look at the guy given how Hopeless has been pushing him. I'd definitely like to see more content from him, but I haven't seen anything in his filter that would justify a scum-read on him objectively. | ||
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Tutankoopa
United States145 Posts
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