Desert Mini Mafia - Page 34

On August 30 2013 02:58 debears wrote:
There are a few things I am not liking about my #3 suspect, Onegu

First off, has anyone here played with him and give me some insight on his skill level?

This post was scum city when i looked at it

What did he accomplish in that post? He touched on a few things that weren't the main happening in the thread at that point.
The main thing going on at that point was the raynp and scribs wrastling going on. Also, he didn't follow up and truly commit to anything in his following posts.

He has one scumread: me. For what exactly, I'm not sure. His focus has been commenting on random things.

Then, he says this in response to yamatos stuff about marv and hapa.



That's odd, because he hasn't shared any info with us on his judgement on both.

On August 30 2013 14:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you all caught up Onegu? What do you make of the recent cases on Syl and Hopeless?

What do you make of the interaction between myself/marv/yamato a couple of pages before?

On August 30 2013 09:24 sciberbia wrote:


Sure I'd be glad to. I agree mostly with what you have written about him, but have a couple things to add/emphasize.

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1) Hopeless's defense of his vote on TK sounds too much to me like a justification of himself and not enough like an argument why TK is scum.

+ Show Spoiler [hopeless] +

Hopeless has stuck to his "strong scumread" on TK but it doesn't seem to bother him too much that people like hapa/marv/myself are now quite sympathetic towards TK. I feel like from a townie there should be saying something like "Guys this is why he's scum. Why can't you see it? God this is so frustrating. Nobody believes me." I don't see any of this attitude in his filter.

Instead his tone comes off more as "it's ok with me if you guys interpret TK's actions as town, but please accept my scummy interpretation as valid too so my vote looks justified".

Basically I just do not feel like he is really trying to convince people that TK is scum, and one of the biggest defining traits of townies is that they fight tooth and nail to convince other townies of their best scum reads. Look at yamato and debears for contrast. I'm not saying they're necessarily town, but they don't take kindly to being disagreed with about their top scum reads.

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2) Subtle contradiction / shift in emphasis
At the beginning of the game, hopeless seems to be trying to make TK's first vote look bad:
+ Show Spoiler [hopeless] +

Hopeless doesn't outright say it, but he went out of his way to mention how TK's vote was a "sheep on some uknown policy" rather than a "troll vote" and then he says the vote post wasn't "completely damning" which implies it is still somewhat damning.

But recently he says he had no problem at all with the initial troll vote from TK and that his read on TK was a total null following that vote. It doesn't really match up for me, and this is the type of subtle shift that I believe is a fairly reliable scumtell.

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3) More minor point, but overall hopeless's lack of activity, lack of initiative in talking about anyone other than TK, and lack of any townie sparks that i can discern make me feel more comfortable in voting him.

##Vote Hopeless1der

On August 30 2013 15:31 Tutankoopa wrote:


I could write up a bunch of stuff about town reads, but do you want to hear that? I've been talking about and to hopeless since the 2nd hour of the game. I have voiced suspicions on other people but they have been varying degrees of AFK.

My reads match yours except for one or two differences. (Same for marv's reads I believe, I haven't read his filter lately.)

You probably don't need me to tell you my town reads, you should know that from reading my filter. Right now I am working with the idea that all the mafia are in the following group.

*Sylencia
-Oatsmaster
FirmTofu
-Onegu
**debears
--Hopeless1der
***marvellosity

* means that I think they're probably town but I need to see their play past D1 to come to a conclusion
- means I think they have at least a decent chance of flipping red

Hopeless is pretty scummy and the reasons why are public knowledge. When I read Onegu I don't see what he's doing, I don't see the purpose in his play. I asked him a question that hasn't been followed up on. An Oat's lynch is a coinflip and it will remain one until he returns to the thread. He had a weird start with his push on myself, and right as he was picking up steam he left the thread.

On August 30 2013 00:37 Tutankoopa wrote:


1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game.
2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards.

Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn.



Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort.

I've read everything else in the thread but I don't have anything to say about any of it.

On August 30 2013 15:55 sciberbia wrote:


Hm I really have no idea about the relative 'veteran status' levels of debears, yamato, and Hopeless1der and would have assumed they were similar but maybe I was wrong.

Your anecodote does make me feel more sympathetic. Grrr... Yea not sure. I'm sure I'll spend plenty of time thinking about hopeless tmrw and don't feel like doing any more now.

I'm signing out for now. G'night guys.

On August 30 2013 16:02 Tutankoopa wrote:
Onegu, my biggest problem with your filter is the lack of questioning other players, especially scum reads. You don't exactly move the conversation forwards when you post. You recently said you think Hopeless has a good chance of flipping mafia. Are you going to try and lynch him going forwards?

I don't know, I guess I'm waiting for you to bring something productive AND original to the thread.

On August 30 2013 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu plays way WAY, LIKE WAYYY better as scum than he does as town.

Am i the only one in this game that thinks Hopeless is town?