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On August 30 2013 08:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
If you're going to make a read on me based off of the first 13 pages of gameplay in a 29 page game, I'm not impressed. If I'm wrong, why are your early posts so trash?
Isn't this the 3rd game in a row where you think my early game posts are bad (and scummy) because I tend to force things early on? I make bad cases early on all the time. In fact almost every single one of my town games recently starts with a terribly bad D1 case that draws some flak on me.
In a somewhat twisted way, I kind of enjoy the flak though, because it gets me thinking and involved in the game.
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On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh
Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels
Are you even reading my posts?
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Maybe you don't slap a random vote on me and then lecture others on how to play day 1 in other games, hmm?
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On August 30 2013 08:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:25 yamato77 wrote:On August 30 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
If you're going to make a read on me based off of the first 13 pages of gameplay in a 29 page game, I'm not impressed. If I'm wrong, why are your early posts so trash? Isn't this the 3rd game in a row where you think my early game posts are bad (and scummy) because I tend to force things early on? I make bad cases early on all the time. In fact almost every single one of my town games recently starts with a terribly bad D1 case that draws some flak on me. In a somewhat twisted way, I kind of enjoy the flak though, because it gets me thinking and involved in the game.
idk man, this was something special
The question is, do I feel like you've improved since the post on deebs? idk, will reread. Your targets of hopeless/syl aren't real encouraging at first look, though, because they are easy to fake-case as either alignment
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On August 30 2013 08:31 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh
Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels Are you even reading my posts?
yes, and I'm interpreting how they actually sound and boil down to.
You're suspicious of Hapa for his read on me despite readily admitting yourself Hapa would be able to read me better than you or anyone else. "red flags" and shit, and that hapa "would make this read as mafia" when you're not actually capable of knowing whether he would say the same about me as town.
Basically everything you say is totally egocentric and related to your perceptions that don't really make much sense to me
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On August 30 2013 08:31 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you don't slap a random vote on me and then lecture others on how to play day 1 in other games, hmm?
Obviously wasn't random, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about right now.
You will respond to me or I'll just assume you're actually mafia and I'm right.
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Threatening me will always work, yamato.
And by always, I mean never.
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On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh
Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels
I think Hapa is somehow off.. It's nothing in his posts particularly, but how he came back when he started posting after yesterday. He made some random posts/questions about debears/Onegu, then proceeded to give nullish reads on them + yamato and Syl, and hopped on "Hopeless is my top scum read" without any notion of him earlier.
Some of his posts really feel like he has not read the thread fully. When he weas asked his read about me he references his post which is only a couple of hours into the game. Like, have i not posted after that or what?
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On August 30 2013 08:31 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh
Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels Are you even reading my posts?
That's basically half the reason you're suspicious of me no?
You know I've played a ton of games with marv. While I can articulate my methods of reading him in one way or another, the bottom-line is that a majority of me reading marv is completely on gut. There are just certain posts by him that I get strong town/scum vibes from, mostly because we have such a history together.
In this game, there's just something about the way he's responding to the pressure here that makes me feel he's town. So back to the "holier than thou" thing with scum-marv, he tends to put himself above all the arguments, and either use it as an OMGUS or completely dismiss them at hand.
In this game, he's getting emotionally caught up in them, which I consider a town-tell.
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Maybe I'm not explaining it so well
1) in your original long post you say hapa would best be able to catch me and knows me best
2) hapa gives a tone/attitude read on me
3) you disagree with the read and decide you know better
4) therefore hapa is suspicious, despite 1)
all these things don't go together at all, really.
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On August 30 2013 08:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:31 yamato77 wrote:On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh
Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels Are you even reading my posts? yes, and I'm interpreting how they actually sound and boil down to. You're suspicious of Hapa for his read on me despite readily admitting yourself Hapa would be able to read me better than you or anyone else. "red flags" and shit, and that hapa "would make this read as mafia" when you're not actually capable of knowing whether he would say the same about me as town. Basically everything you say is totally egocentric and related to your perceptions that don't really make much sense to me
First of all, that's not the ONLY reason I'm suspicious of Hapa, so you aren't actually reading.
Second of all, I've played games with the both of you. It IS weird that the both of you seem so ready to trust the other this early in the game when you both have been wrong about the other before. It's especially true that Hapa is basically contradicting himself or not reading your posts very closely as per the analysis I quoted that HE posted.
And of course its egocentric and related to my own perceptions. Do you play mafia or just read a thread?
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I am reading, I'm just picking up on something I'm intimately familiar with.
Stop being patronising when you're the one who can't actually fucking read.
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On August 30 2013 08:33 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:31 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 08:25 yamato77 wrote:On August 30 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
If you're going to make a read on me based off of the first 13 pages of gameplay in a 29 page game, I'm not impressed. If I'm wrong, why are your early posts so trash? Isn't this the 3rd game in a row where you think my early game posts are bad (and scummy) because I tend to force things early on? I make bad cases early on all the time. In fact almost every single one of my town games recently starts with a terribly bad D1 case that draws some flak on me. In a somewhat twisted way, I kind of enjoy the flak though, because it gets me thinking and involved in the game. idk man, this was something special The question is, do I feel like you've improved since the post on deebs? idk, will reread. Your targets of hopeless/syl aren't real encouraging at first look, though, because they are easy to fake-case as either alignment
So what's "special" about this one? Compare it to... say... Catch 22. Or that the 2nd Hydra Mini with the Duke Nukem stuffs.
Anyway regarding Hopeless/Syl, I'm not going to go after more "original" targets if I don't find them scummy. Regardless if you think they're easy to "fake", I'd like to believe I've shown interest in questioning them so far and will continue to do so until I confirm/overturn my reads on them.
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On August 30 2013 08:36 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe I'm not explaining it so well
1) in your original long post you say hapa would best be able to catch me and knows me best
2) hapa gives a tone/attitude read on me
3) you disagree with the read and decide you know better
4) therefore hapa is suspicious, despite 1)
all these things don't go together at all, really.
1) I quote how Hapa has TOLD ME (therefor giving me the knowledge he has) about your meta.
2) I quote Hapa's read
3) I show obvious examples of the very scum attitude-read he posted
4) therefor, Hapa isn't actually considering your real alignment
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On August 30 2013 08:39 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:36 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe I'm not explaining it so well
1) in your original long post you say hapa would best be able to catch me and knows me best
2) hapa gives a tone/attitude read on me
3) you disagree with the read and decide you know better
4) therefore hapa is suspicious, despite 1)
all these things don't go together at all, really. 1) I quote how Hapa has TOLD ME (therefor giving me the knowledge he has) about your meta. 2) I quote Hapa's read 3) I show obvious examples of the very scum attitude-read he posted 4) therefor, Hapa isn't actually considering your real alignment
I think you're mistaking my not being able to articulate my methodology of reading Marv as well with me not caring about his alignment. That being said, read this and tell me what you think:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=30#589
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On August 30 2013 08:39 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:36 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe I'm not explaining it so well
1) in your original long post you say hapa would best be able to catch me and knows me best
2) hapa gives a tone/attitude read on me
3) you disagree with the read and decide you know better
4) therefore hapa is suspicious, despite 1)
all these things don't go together at all, really. 1) I quote how Hapa has TOLD ME (therefor giving me the knowledge he has) about your meta. 2) I quote Hapa's read 3) I show obvious examples of the very scum attitude-read he posted 4) therefor, Hapa isn't actually considering your real alignment
He has a different view on your 3), obviously (as he has handily outlined just now). I know my alignment, and hapa is better than you, so you're finding him scummy for making a more nuanced read than you're capable of?
Again, it boils down to the fact you're suspicious of him having a different read on me than you, despite the fact he knows my play better, and is indeed the only player to ever actually catch me as mafia.
Brilliant!
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The fact I've had to delete about 3 sentences calling you a moron thus far does sadly indicate that you're probably town though. le sigh.
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Also Yamato, I think you're mistaking how strong my town-read on marv actually is. I'm leaning town on the guy, and don't think he's 100% uber-super townie.
My approach to marv in all games is generally not to take a serious look at the guy on Day 1. He's not a guy that you're going to catch as mafia (or a guy that I would risk lynching) on Day 1. Generally if I get a town-feel from him, I'll accept it and move on to other targets. If something really striking happens, Day 2 and beyond are the days where I consider him.
That has been consistent throughout all the games I've ever played with him.
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On August 30 2013 08:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:31 yamato77 wrote:On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh
Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels Are you even reading my posts? That's basically half the reason you're suspicious of me no? You know I've played a ton of games with marv. While I can articulate my methods of reading him in one way or another, the bottom-line is that a majority of me reading marv is completely on gut. There are just certain posts by him that I get strong town/scum vibes from, mostly because we have such a history together. In this game, there's just something about the way he's responding to the pressure here that makes me feel he's town. So back to the "holier than thou" thing with scum-marv, he tends to put himself above all the arguments, and either use it as an OMGUS or completely dismiss them at hand. In this game, he's getting emotionally caught up in them, which I consider a town-tell.
Is he really, though?
It seems like he wants to use these back-and-forth exchanges more as an avenue to shit on my play and my reads than to actually get anything useful out of it.
If I am right about him, there is plenty of motivation for scum-Marv to want to discredit me when town-Marv is usually more cooperative even when I am tunneling him, in the recent past. Why the change this game in his response, and his overall attitude as compared to his recent play?
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On August 30 2013 08:44 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:35 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 08:31 yamato77 wrote:On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh
Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels Are you even reading my posts? That's basically half the reason you're suspicious of me no? You know I've played a ton of games with marv. While I can articulate my methods of reading him in one way or another, the bottom-line is that a majority of me reading marv is completely on gut. There are just certain posts by him that I get strong town/scum vibes from, mostly because we have such a history together. In this game, there's just something about the way he's responding to the pressure here that makes me feel he's town. So back to the "holier than thou" thing with scum-marv, he tends to put himself above all the arguments, and either use it as an OMGUS or completely dismiss them at hand. In this game, he's getting emotionally caught up in them, which I consider a town-tell. Is he really, though? It seems like he wants to use these back-and-forth exchanges more as an avenue to shit on my play and my reads than to actually get anything useful out of it. If I am right about him, there is plenty of motivation for scum-Marv to want to discredit me when town-Marv is usually more cooperative even when I am tunneling him, in the recent past. Why the change this game in his response, and his overall attitude as compared to his recent play?
TBH, this sounds like Persona 2 all over again.
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