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It sucks that the people who are about to get lynched are not here.
heavenz, lonemeow, bereft where are you?
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On September 09 2013 06:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:12 infii wrote:On September 09 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 09 2013 06:09 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:On September 09 2013 05:42 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch myrzeth they are scummy, as i see it it's pretty much mylo right know as even if the replacements are scum they are fresh players and our reads on them will be so wifomy that we won't have any clue if they are scum or not so we need to lynch the people we have information on, myrzeth is looking scummy but hasn't said anything for us to determine whether he is scum or not. In that regard i think we should lynch someone on the ray bandwagon like i said and i feel that killer is too towny to lynch and umasi im undecided on so that only really leaves lone? I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though. You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.) The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything. If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.) If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse. Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough. Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one. I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave. Here is your previous post again. tldr: lynch people who don't talk much. So why are you so against lynching myrzeth? I am not against it. I found scum in bereft and want to lynch him over a nullread. Isn't lurking a scum trait? However, considering how late Koshi went in he can't really afford to make long cases against people. So I don't blame him for that. Meh, posting just enough to not get lynched is a scumtrait. Not posting at all is way too may times town trait.
but voting for lone isn't applicable who is also lurking?? hasn't really made a proper case and didn't have a substantial reason to vote ray?
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If you vote bereft you are also just dumb, he's not voting LV because LV is a fucking modkill as far as we know and if not he's getting replaced. I'm actually more than tempted to vote for a koshi lynch at this point in time because the stuff he is saying is beyond scummy.
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On September 07 2013 20:22 Holyflare wrote:
Also, after lone's last post I think I should take him off the list, totally agree with his targets.
On September 09 2013 04:57 Holyflare wrote:##Vote: Lonemeow unless someone has a better idea, not going to vote myrzeth, lonemeow has not really much content at all apart from his last post (I know he's injured etc) which was still pretty lacking in content and just a reason to vote other people on the ray wagon. He came back after infii and me had discussions and I posted information but didn't respond to any of it apart from: Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:
Anyone around to discuss who we want to lynch today? and Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 01:16 LoneMeow wrote:
You prefer lynching a scum read over lynching myRZeth I assume?
What happened between these that made your read do a full 180? Is that only based on me not responding to your discussion with Infii or did I miss something? You've been my best town read the whole game but now I'm wondering if I might be badly mistaken.
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yeah, he's already derailed the conversation massively.
I still don't like infiis inconsistencies but will put my vote onto someone else if he's blatantly not going to be lynched =/
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On September 09 2013 06:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 20:22 Holyflare wrote:
Also, after lone's last post I think I should take him off the list, totally agree with his targets. Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 04:57 Holyflare wrote:##Vote: Lonemeow unless someone has a better idea, not going to vote myrzeth, lonemeow has not really much content at all apart from his last post (I know he's injured etc) which was still pretty lacking in content and just a reason to vote other people on the ray wagon. He came back after infii and me had discussions and I posted information but didn't respond to any of it apart from: On September 09 2013 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:
Anyone around to discuss who we want to lynch today? and On September 09 2013 01:16 LoneMeow wrote:
You prefer lynching a scum read over lynching myRZeth I assume? What happened between these that made your read do a full 180? Is that only based on me not responding to your discussion with Infii or did I miss something? You've been my best town read the whole game but now I'm wondering if I might be badly mistaken.
yeh it was purely based on your inaction in day 2 really
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I'm not even gonna keep my vote on you if you post something noteworthy
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I specifically will NOT vote for bereft because I don't trust koshi as far as I can throw him, and I'm a 115 pound undergrad who's never visited a gym with an intention to do anything but get a credit.
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Also, who is koshi going to target to cause most confusion? One of the people that isn't on the 2 wagons obviously, who would that be? Oh yeh, bereft.
Who did he also lightly defend? Oh yeh, infii.
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If Koshi and Infii are scum together, who's the third one? I don't have a scenario that works for that case.
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what scenarios do you have?
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doesn't matter who the third one is tbh at this stage
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On September 09 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:09 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:On September 09 2013 05:42 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch myrzeth they are scummy, as i see it it's pretty much mylo right know as even if the replacements are scum they are fresh players and our reads on them will be so wifomy that we won't have any clue if they are scum or not so we need to lynch the people we have information on, myrzeth is looking scummy but hasn't said anything for us to determine whether he is scum or not. In that regard i think we should lynch someone on the ray bandwagon like i said and i feel that killer is too towny to lynch and umasi im undecided on so that only really leaves lone? I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though. You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.) The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything. If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.) If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse. Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough. Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one. I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave. Here is your previous post again. tldr: lynch people who don't talk much. So why are you so against lynching myrzeth? I am not against it. I found scum in bereft and want to lynch him over a nullread.
Alternate scenario then, we lynch myrzeth tonight, when he gets back you will have a ton of time to pressure the shit out of him, and if you still think he's mafia after that, lynch him.
Myrzeth is mafia, it's a win, yay. We can basically do whatever you want tomorrow with impunity because the risk of mylo is gone.
Myrzeth isn't mafia, then one of two things happens.
Bereft isn't mafia. + Show Spoiler +If we lynch bereft tonight + Show Spoiler +If he isn't mafia and we lynch him tonight, we're in a shitty situation tomorrow, we'll have 3 people out of 8 remaining on whom we have basically nothing besides wifom info, in a lynch or lose situation, and we'll basically have to risk the game on (what currently looks like) infii heavenz or lonemeow. If it happens that the mafia is some combination which doesn't include any of them, then we've basically lost unless some blue comes in and saves the day. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, + Show Spoiler + we're in a similar situation tomorrow, except minus one lurker, plus one posting person. Furthermore, he gets a chance to try and defend himself, (and remember theres at least a 20% chance that he's a blue role if he's town) and on the off chance he manages to convince you, we haven't killed someone just because they didn't get to defend themselves.
Bereft is mafia. + Show Spoiler +Obviously if we lynch him tonight that's great, but if we lynch myrzeth tonight, we get into day3 with a target to go after, and one lurker gone. You get to grill him, we have potential blues come out with information and unless he somehow manages to convince you of his innocence, and our blues are useless, we should manage to find a mafia then.
And this is all ignoring the fact that myrzeth is probably scum at this point. If there's a town based thought process behind the shit he's put us through I would love to hear it.
But most annoying of all, you've come into the game, tunnelled onto who you think is mafia and ignored several of my posts which implicitly disagreed with lynching bereft tonight without him being here. I finally get your attention when i basically come out and imply that you and holyflare are acting scummy, and you're only comment is to call my reads shitty and say my logic is bad.
This is a newbie mafia, I know I'm probably not the best at this game, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to follow you because you've played it more. I have no way of knowing you're not scum, and you've just come in, started a huge lynch train on bereft, and refused to respond to my points past blanket calling them stupid.
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On September 09 2013 06:30 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 09 2013 06:09 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:On September 09 2013 05:42 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch myrzeth they are scummy, as i see it it's pretty much mylo right know as even if the replacements are scum they are fresh players and our reads on them will be so wifomy that we won't have any clue if they are scum or not so we need to lynch the people we have information on, myrzeth is looking scummy but hasn't said anything for us to determine whether he is scum or not. In that regard i think we should lynch someone on the ray bandwagon like i said and i feel that killer is too towny to lynch and umasi im undecided on so that only really leaves lone? I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though. You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.) The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything. If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.) If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse. Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough. Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one. I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave. Here is your previous post again. tldr: lynch people who don't talk much. So why are you so against lynching myrzeth? I am not against it. I found scum in bereft and want to lynch him over a nullread. Alternate scenario then, we lynch myrzeth tonight, when he gets back you will have a ton of time to pressure the shit out of him, and if you still think he's mafia after that, lynch him. Myrzeth is mafia, it's a win, yay. We can basically do whatever you want tomorrow with impunity because the risk of mylo is gone. Myrzeth isn't mafia, then one of two things happens. Bereft isn't mafia. + Show Spoiler +If we lynch bereft tonight + Show Spoiler +If he isn't mafia and we lynch him tonight, we're in a shitty situation tomorrow, we'll have 3 people out of 8 remaining on whom we have basically nothing besides wifom info, in a lynch or lose situation, and we'll basically have to risk the game on (what currently looks like) infii heavenz or lonemeow. If it happens that the mafia is some combination which doesn't include any of them, then we've basically lost unless some blue comes in and saves the day. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, + Show Spoiler + we're in a similar situation tomorrow, except minus one lurker, plus one posting person. Furthermore, he gets a chance to try and defend himself, (and remember theres at least a 20% chance that he's a blue role if he's town) and on the off chance he manages to convince you, we haven't killed someone just because they didn't get to defend themselves. Bereft is mafia. + Show Spoiler +Obviously if we lynch him tonight that's great, but if we lynch myrzeth tonight, we get into day3 with a target to go after, and one lurker gone. You get to grill him, we have potential blues come out with information and unless he somehow manages to convince you of his innocence, and our blues are useless, we should manage to find a mafia then. And this is all ignoring the fact that myrzeth is probably scum at this point. If there's a town based thought process behind the shit he's put us through I would love to hear it. But most annoying of all, you've come into the game, tunnelled onto who you think is mafia and ignored several of my posts which implicitly disagreed with lynching bereft tonight without him being here. I finally get your attention when i basically come out and imply that you and holyflare are acting scummy, and you're only comment is to call my reads shitty and say my logic is bad. This is a newbie mafia, I know I'm probably not the best at this game, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to follow you because you've played it more. I have no way of knowing you're not scum, and you've just come in, started a huge lynch train on bereft, and refused to respond to my points past blanket calling them stupid. ...
Not to mention pretty much all the people you've accused aren't even here to say a single word to defend themselves.
I don't know if you over or underestimated how good i am at mafia if you expect me to follow with bereft at this point. But you haven't convinced me.
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That's the worst part of the replacement, we can't really read Koshi...
What is everyone's thoughts on his other scum targets, umasi and killerdog?
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I think if we lynch infii which I'm comfortable doing and he flips scum I'd have a good reasoning for koshi to be the next day lynch, and vice versa.
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If we lynch myrz and he's scum we'd have a lot less information killer which I'm not so comfortable doing. There is so much speculation around him that cases would be wifom everywhere.
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I'll go bonkers if we lynch killerdog, and I'm obv town.
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At this point, my doubts about you aren't gone infii, but I think it's pretty obvious Lonemeow has been playing a different game than the rest of us for a while now.
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There's just misinformation and suspicion flying everywhere right now. I'm gonna stick to what I felt was the best play since day 1, and go for myrzeth. He's useless and the longer he stays in the harder it's going to be justifying a vote to get rid of him.
If you have some super watertight case against someone else then I might follow you, but with 25 minutes to go, and what feel like three different philosophies clashing. I'm gonna stick to my own reads.
##vote myrzeth
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voting for myrz feels like a total crapshot, I think everyone should reconsider a lonemeow lynch :|
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