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Koshi
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Holyflare
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
I don't have convincing reads to push either way, and LV is afk so it's not the main issue right now. there are scummier people to consider, koshi. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
because so far you're like 'well why not' | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:12 Umasi wrote: 'so I also noticed that they were in discussion' you mean lord velocity and bereft? uuuuuh, of course I noticed they were in discussion. It was all over the thread. I don't have convincing reads to push either way, and LV is afk so it's not the main issue right now. Why did you vote for bereft and then immediately ask holyflare about a lord velocity lynch don't say you're crazy, that's not an answer bereft hasn't done shit all except target LV. However, for some reason bereft his votes aren't on Lord Velocity except when Velocity is not getting lynched. I think that is strange. | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 08 2013 13:08 Bereft wrote: ##Vote: MyRZeth reasons include: a. he sux bawls b. it's pretty clear - he's not going to change his mind about lurking anytime soon c. i think there's definitely 1 scum in the bunch that voted for ray. the sudden piling of votes onto ray was weird. i'm wondering if the shift of votes had anything to do with myrzeth being mafia and his mafia buddies freaking out with him about to get lynched in any case i would like to hear from killerdog why he switched his vote as well as from the town why another player may be a better candidate for lynch today. So bad bereft. So bad. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:20 infii wrote: Koshi what do you think about LoneMeow? Ok for now. What do you think about the guy that is voting for a guy that claimed RB? | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
out of the players left, obviously we can't really lynch koshi or LV and Umasi/Holyflare are both still my stronger townier reads, so not in my sights either. For me that leaves 5 options. I'll quickly give brief thoughts on each: infii + Show Spoiler + I was having a hard time getting a read on him day 1, but it feels like he's become more active day 2. He's pointed a few things out which don't really make sense in my opinion. (fx, he said the umasi vs holyflare argument was likely umasi being scum pressuring holyflare, but then goes on to list holyflare as a scum read.) I've been getting a very anti anti holyflare vibe for a while though, which confuses me. I'm not sure why a single mafia would pressure one of the players generally perceived as town so hard alone, without anyone agreeing with them. And given how aggressive holyflare has been so far it would seem really risky from his perspective. I'm not sure what infii would be hoping to get out of it. heavenz + Show Spoiler + As I said earlier, On September 08 2013 14:08 killerdog wrote: Final thoughts, I still don't like heavenz dumping his vote at the last second. His reasoning in the thread was What does "I go safe" even mean, and how is putting your vote on myrzeth, guy who is currently at 2 votes compared to ray's 5, any less of a "waste" then leaving it on blurry. I'd love some clarification on that. If he's already mentioned it, apologies, but I couldn't see it on his filter. The only recent post he has basically feels like him saying he has no idea what's going on and apologising for it. (which also felt a bit wierd.) Anyway, I'm off to sleep. I'd very much like a clarification of his vote-post, which confuses me, and for him to join in the discussion. He has only posted twice day 2, once saying he's confused and once with philosophical thoughts of how myrzeth/koshi/velocity mafia basically screws us. @heavenz, who would you want to lynch tonight? myrzeth + Show Spoiler + His vote onto ray with no comment moved him from my "no idea, but he's useless so we should lynch him" list to my "scum. kill." list. I'm not sure if I quite agree with holyflares logic that lynching him is anti town, but I'll deal with that later. bereft + Show Spoiler + He feels like he's been very tunnel vision-y, first he goes on velocity hard. He mentioned he wanted to hear something from myrzeth "in the next two hours" but myrzeth stays silent and then two hours later he votes for velocity. (I even felt like i ended up on his suspicious list purely by having an opinion on velocity.) Has a vote on myrzeth. lonemeow + Show Spoiler + He's been relatively passive in terms of giving analysis, quite a few questions asked of people, but not very much followup pressure. Hard to get a read on but I'm definitely not 100% sure he's scum. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
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infii
Germany153 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:27 Koshi wrote: Ok for now. What do you think about the guy that is voting for a guy that claimed RB? You can read up my thoughts about Umasi in my analysis. Nothing has changed. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:28 infii wrote: You can read up my thoughts about Umasi in my analysis. Nothing has changed. Cool. I think you are pretty town. Or a scummer that has a death wish. Claiming RB. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
This guy thinks LV is 100% scum. His best buddy Blurry thought LV was 100% scum. After the night he made this post saying that LV is 100% scum. On September 07 2013 08:27 Bereft wrote: NOOOO NOT MY BUDDY BLURRY. blurry I will avenge you. @HolyFlare FINALLY someone else sees it. posting from my phone right now, will be around to post if not tonight then definitely tomorrow. Then he votes for an easy target in mYrz. Also bereft never followed up on his killerdog read? | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
On September 09 2013 04:54 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE INFII :| no real words. I agree with some reads, disagree with others, but your disregarding of facts is just downright scummy. and we need to actually lynch someone, I think it should be infii. I'm on the same boat as flare, we need to lynch scum reads, not lurkers, not necessarily because it'll be milo/lylo, but because lurkers aren't actively trying to confuse town I desregard facts? I have no problem continuing on holy's points, I just don't feel it's the right moment so close before lynch. But whatever, let's do this. On September 08 2013 10:09 Holyflare wrote: They also aren't the only posts regarding ray and myrz in the thread, I purposefuly left some out to see if you picked up on it, which you did not because YOU DID NOT READ THEM. You are making a case out of thin air. Even your post just now didn't make sense? You target me because I made a 'weak' case against ray yet there are 4 other people on the ray bandwagon that did not vote at all until I said anything about ray. They are far far more scummy than me. I'm sorry if I don't have the whole thread memorized in my head. If you decide not to use leads for your defense to prove I'm not reading the thread, that is up to you. But obviously I'm not re-reading the whole thing every time I answer someone. (though I should, but it would take just so much more time) If some people thought ray was town then why did they not try and counter bandwagon at all? In fact, there was a whole fucking hour where nobody implied anything about a counter bandwagon. Did you forget how close the lynch was? I, personally, did not have the time to write very much, as I was occupied the whole day. and then an entire hour after I made my case and voted: If anyone is suspicious it's the people who joined the wagon this late and if they were town they would be even MORE suspicious of the people that voted after this on someone else: Of course the people hopping on to the bandwagon are suspicious, why wouldn't they be? oh wait yeh that's you, saw the confirmed town bandwagon lynch so you leave it to the last 20 mins to lynch the lurker so it looks like you had nothing to do with it right? I see you ask about my thoughts on my vote, of course in your "special" way. I came home like 1 hour before the deadline and had to read up several pages, right after that I placed my vote. it looked scummy but oh fuck why not make a case against the guy that found him to be scummy in the first place yeh, right..... blame the person that makes cases not the people that sit idly by (you and the others) who don't make reasonable cases to begin with If you recall I made an analysis about the whole Chairman Ray bandwagon, and well, you happenend to be the initiator of said wagon so I focused on you in the "case analysis". Why should I blame someone else of starting the wagon? | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 09 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote: If anyone wants to lynch myrzeth they are scummy, as i see it it's pretty much mylo right know as even if the replacements are scum they are fresh players and our reads on them will be so wifomy that we won't have any clue if they are scum or not so we need to lynch the people we have information on, myrzeth is looking scummy but hasn't said anything for us to determine whether he is scum or not. In that regard i think we should lynch someone on the ray bandwagon like i said and i feel that killer is too towny to lynch and umasi im undecided on so that only really leaves lone? I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though. You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.) The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything. If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.) If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse. Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough. Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one. I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
gg I win. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
I accuse Holyflare of starting a counter-wagon to pull votes off from LV or myrzeth. If you recall I made an analysis about the whole Chairman Ray bandwagon, and well, you happenend to be the initiator of said wagon so I focused on you in the "case analysis". Why should I blame someone else of starting the wagon? inleague match, will respond more in a sec, that confused me though to read | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:42 Koshi wrote: bereft, Umasi, killerdog scumteam. gg I win. I'm not sold on Bereft. If you look it up, he announced myrz as his top lynch target before the NK here + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2013 13:34 Bereft wrote: there's probably only one. and there's also a small chance that somehow they all managed to place their vote elsewhere. so that's only about a a 20% chance of hitting scum... but out of the 5 who voted for chairman, i like myrzeth, killerdog and lonemeow in that order (for lynch candidates). | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:47 infii wrote: I'm not sold on Bereft. If you look it up, he announced myrz as his top lynch target before the NK here + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2013 13:34 Bereft wrote: there's probably only one. and there's also a small chance that somehow they all managed to place their vote elsewhere. so that's only about a a 20% chance of hitting scum... but out of the 5 who voted for chairman, i like myrzeth, killerdog and lonemeow in that order (for lynch candidates). Yes, that's a perfect way for scum to keep their options open. Bereft clearly knew that he didn't give enough reasons to vote myrz so let's see what other reasons he can give to justify his vote: On September 08 2013 13:08 Bereft wrote: ##Vote: MyRZeth reasons include: a. he sux bawls b. it's pretty clear - he's not going to change his mind about lurking anytime soon c. i think there's definitely 1 scum in the bunch that voted for ray. the sudden piling of votes onto ray was weird. i'm wondering if the shift of votes had anything to do with myrzeth being mafia and his mafia buddies freaking out with him about to get lynched in any case i would like to hear from killerdog why he switched his vote as well as from the town why another player may be a better candidate for lynch today. tldr: He is a bad lurker and he was on Chairman Ray. why bereft voted for myrz: He is a bad lurker and he was on Chairman Ray. why bereft didn't vote for LV on who(m) he made a million cases: + Show Spoiler + nothing to see here | ||
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