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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
HolyFlare (0): Lord Velocity (2): Chairman Ray, killerdog Heavenz (1): Umasi Currently Lord Velocity is set to be lynched! REMINDER: Voting is mandatory! The Person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched! Deadline is at 22:00 GMT (+00:00)! You have ~13 hours left! | ||
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
On September 05 2013 17:41 ShiaoPi wrote: If myrzeth does not post or vote until midnight CEST, he will be replaced if it is possible. I would prefer not to use Koshi's offer since he is quite experienced. If I can find no other replacement I will contact Koshi. Modkilling sucks, especially on Day 1 already... Being quiet is usually the best choice, at least on the SC2 Mafia Arcade game. You re able to observe everything and judge on your own. Don t worry, i m active  | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 05 2013 18:22 myRZeth wrote: Being quiet is usually the best choice, at least on the SC2 Mafia Arcade game. You re able to observe everything and judge on your own. Don t worry, i m active Seriously, I am 100% going to vote you in the next few hours unless you post something with contribution... This is NOT the sc2 mafia game. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On September 05 2013 18:22 myRZeth wrote: Being quiet is usually the best choice, at least on the SC2 Mafia Arcade game. You re able to observe everything and judge on your own. Don t worry, i m active hahaha WTF you've got to be kidding me. | ||
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Lord Velocity
84 Posts
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Lord Velocity
84 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 05 2013 07:56 killerdog wrote: Separately, About the idea of pressuring people before the deadline. Personally I don't think thats a very reliable tool at all, given the fact that we're Spread out among several timezones, people will have valid excuses for not being here near the deadline, so if the person who you want to pressure goes to bed 4-5 horus before the deadline, then you're left there faced with the choice of either starting a movement to lynch someone who won't be there to defend themselves before the lynch deadline, or having to give up on that target for the round. If you artificially constrain the period where you're willing to pressure people to a certain period, then either they can just not be in the thread for the period, or alternately, people who are asleep/at work/school during the period of time before the lynch will seem suspicious just because of the timezone they happen to live in. But I'd love to hear your argument in support of it. (or clarification if i misunderstood what you were getting at. All people should be around in the last few hours of the deadline regardless of time zone, especially as this deadline is pretty good for every timezone. The last hour or two is when bandwagons and speed lynching happens, if you aren't around then it is incredibly suspicious, especially if they have left their vote on somebody. (I did this last game and got a shit tonne of flak for it but was legitimately away unfortunately.) The thing is if they haven't contributed much the entire day and then you make a case on them late in time, i'm expecting them to rush out a post or posts that would make me want to keep them in the game till later over somebody else. The lynch on the first day for me is who would help the town the least in the long run, not necessarily catching out scum. Although those things are usually in tandem. Although, yes, this is a newbie game and scum is easier to catch out I guess but that is bad practice for playing proper games where everybody will be at roughly the same posting fluency. Also, when the last minute lynches happen the scum are usually caught off guard. Voting inconsistencies and people on last minute bandwagons etc become much more apparent (these people are usually scum). So, more often than not if you have noticed something on the lynch you can keep that information for a while and see how the people who were suspicious on that lynch can interact with people and formulate cases around that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In regards to heavenz post; + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2013 17:58 heavenz wrote: so firstly regarding me, Umasis orignional opinion about me was : then come Holyf. made me suspicious because I have him on my scum list but didn't press on. My answere to that is that you're a) an active player b) you said you kept your reads to yourself for a given while perhaps that was scum tactics to delay anything, but it sounded reasonable to me. I was just cuirous to see your reads on players, but I was expecting you to post them without me having to press them out of you (I am not sure I know how that works lol). Then you press on about my idle posts, that they are non-contributary. I don't know how you value contribuatry in this game, so I can't say anything to that. I was writing down what I thought in that moment, because it seems in my timezone was nothing happening. What is interesting is however is that usami jumps on your post regarding me, on brings it one step further and immidiatly votes me, regardless of me having sleeping at that time and no news. It smells like a follow move, have you finally established total dominance? He's falling in love with your analysis. We have to give credit were credit is due, you weren't the first to go on me, his gut feeling can be explained as such: True though is that the most charismatic player (Holyf) and the most aggressive player (Umasi) seem to dislike I. So how can I defend my entrance post, it's not possible anymore, it was written. I adore roleplaying, and was surprise how I was shut down... we are agents after all, are we not... wtf. what ever. ok continue with Bereft jumping following umasi on me, and make me look suspicious for a) calling out the weird ray QT post I saw that you asked, but I didn't really understand what it meant, so I hoped for a better explanation. b) the truth is, you're to complex for me to understand. + Show Spoiler + @holyflare - agreed that meta has its merits, especially in a newbie game. i think that newbies' meta could be easier to discern vs. vets because we aren't as self-aware in our game play. what i do find interesting is that per your comments, i went back to browse past games, and in the last game you were in, like the very first post i see you make right out of the gate advocates lynching all liars and lurkers. mind explaining the sudden change of heart? why initiate this topic of conversation? sure, you could argue about the "math" of not lynching, but while this ultimately comes down to a game about numbers (like survivor!) your speculation about the math of it all seems pointless to me, because how do you quantify something like the present value of future clues? the cost of inaction? etc etc. i like blurry's idea. it's a bit early for me to have much of an opinion, but why not: on the town-dar: umasi - a bit rude perhaps, but not afraid to tread on toes and call shit out. on the scum-dar: don't wanna seem like i'm just following you, but i gotta say lord velocity too. while my first instinct was also to be suspicious of holyflare for advocating no lynch, i think LV was a bit quick to FOS holyflare with a 1-liner just for that. because i could see several reasons why scum would prefer a lynch day 1. if anything they might even think they stand to gain more by lynching day 1 vs no lynch unless they're incredibly risk averse lol. I don't understand anything. + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote: That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time. hahaha ok dude, we'll try our best to survive the night without your brilliant insights. can't promise that we will though. it's not in our hands. (yours...maybe?) This was not my reacting, even though I posted in the same way as you. I expected Holyf. to give reads before the night. + Show Spoiler + hm. well. if we're just going to chat and make small talk ... i have to admit i'm no longer browsing that other newbie game for "meta" -- but for pure lulz. Alakaslam and iVLosK! sooo good. so many gems. i'd probably have kept alakaslam alive just for the banter. hahah but seriously if we're just going to talk about inconsequential shit, what's the point? also infii, killerdog, myrzeth, pharcyd3, where you guys at? Some "meta" stuff I don't understand. Calling out afk's, reasonable. At write a 1 or 2 liner to everyplayer, without any actualy content or further explanations. I can come to a conclusion, likewise. Regarding Lord Velocity I will say this, Umasi seems to belive he's town, and interpreting every word he says as a town newby mistake. In fact Lord Velocity seems to panic under pressure but bold after he felt Umasi shielding him. This could mean some things, either Lord Velocity is playing a wicked sick good noob, or he indeed is a town that can't deal with pressure for what eer reasons. We will see. (Lord V don't take this post attack right now :D, at the moment I am almost convinced, that edit thing was way over the top lol). Regarding Holyf. I am actually dissapointed by his analysis. He was given time without pressure, and all he comes up with is heavenz ain't much town coz his idle post sucks. Deep man. You have some backstory on Infis we couldn't know and you play it out. Regarding Infis it's hard to have a opinion, coz his town play is very casual, I appreciate your efford to suspect him, as I appreciate your efford to suspect me, but I am still hoping for more. I wrote you as scum because I don't see the purpose of most of your post yesterday. You were arguing about things I don't acknowldge as relating to the game, and give some smartass advice. Yes you played before, I get it. you posted too much, but your typical day1 post looked like this + Show Spoiler + Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'... As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore. glad you changed your mind. + Show Spoiler + I find it ridiculous that people can post pages about lurker lynching, their ideas on what people are doing that is town and not town but when I post it then what? It's "let's stop talking about policy bla bla"..... calm down, i'm redirecting conversation to more applicable topics rather than what is going on which is a lot more helpful than shitting all over the post. policies... what the fuck then comes your 1 post, the one single post that has actual (this) game concerning content, in which you finally give some of your long waited reads. You come up with your background story on infi which makes him look more scummy and that regard me, that is all? You're trying to establish a pole position in this town without *actually* giving much? I think you're underestimating noobs,.. or not. I'll keep an eye on you. The fact you had me on your scum list but did not press me further is one of the reasons (among the others I mentioned) that you were written down in my post, however, let me address some of your points. Then you press on about my idle posts, that they are non-contributary. I don't know how you value contribuatry in this game, so I can't say anything to that. I was writing down what I thought in that moment, because it seems in my timezone was nothing happening. Disregard the newbie aspect of this game so far. The whole point of mafia is deception and analysis depending on which role you get. In order to do that people need to actively contribute towards the analysis. Saying briefly what people have said is not analysis, it is summarisation. The more that people post the more content you have to discern their overall motive in the game. The people that will be targeted in day 1 are the people that have not posted ANALYSIS or are lower on the post counts without actual quality written pieces. Unfortunately, you were one of the two people who weren't complete lurkers and so you were the obvious targets for my post. I posted my piece allowing ample time for you to step up your game which you subsequently seemed to have done with your post and so my vote may be now lingering towards infii or chairman ray. Specifically, I will analyse ray because I've done infii already and I'll always be more hesitant to vote off a player that I know the playstyle of. As for the rest of your posts, I like your segment on bereft. He started off as someone that was definitely town orientated but has had a slippery slop of degrading posts ever since so I'm not too sure on him. In regards to lord velocity you have pretty much just written what the others have said but I do agree that he is most probably newbie town but I won't let him get off that easily later. The 2 posts you quoted from me I stand by what I said, everyone was getting sidetracked by calling people scum and not critiquing their posts but I'm not going to beat a dead horse it's been said a million times over and I would not change what I have written at all. There is also nothing contradictary within them. I made cases on the 2 people I think were most lynch worthy, I do not care if they are scum or not at this point the whole idea is to get people to expand on their writing styles which you have done in this post. This town had no direction, I have given it direction. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
I HATE FUCKING LURKERS............................................................................... Why do you have to play like this, it just wastes an entire day of work just so we can now lynch you, congratulations! | ||
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
On September 05 2013 21:32 Holyflare wrote: Seriously, I am 100% going to vote you in the next few hours unless you post something with contribution... This is NOT the sc2 mafia game. Of course it s not, but i m new to the TL mafia game, so i ll follow my own strategies in the game for now | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 05 2013 23:57 myRZeth wrote: Of course it s not, but i m new to the TL mafia game, so i ll follow my own strategies in the game for now Sure thing, do that. ##Vote myRZeth | ||
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
you can t vote somebody because of his playstyle, especially not that early, think about that simply a countervote | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Useful Guides | ||
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
On September 06 2013 00:07 Holyflare wrote: Alternatively, you could follow the plethora of helpful guides because you will definitely be lynched today if you continue to do what you are doing. What is the point of doing your strategy if you end up dead after all. Useful Guides my point is that a different approach isn t necessary wrong approach | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 06 2013 00:05 myRZeth wrote: voting holyflare, because he s voting me without any clues/analysis/whatever you can t vote somebody because of his playstyle, especially not that early, think about that simply a countervote Yes you can. Like I said, this isn't SC2 mafia. If you have contributed nothing in the game so far and refuse to why should we keep you in? The whole point of the game is to identify yourself as town to other people within the town. How is this possible when you refuse to post ANYTHING? You could easily just as likely be mafia doing the same thing since there is no reason for a town to hold back so you become the most useless person to us in the game currently. It is also not early, there is not long left in the day phase. | ||
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Lord Velocity
84 Posts
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
On September 06 2013 00:09 Holyflare wrote: Yes you can. Like I said, this isn't SC2 mafia. If you have contributed nothing in the game so far and refuse to why should we keep you in? The whole point of the game is to identify yourself as town to other people within the town. How is this possible when you refuse to post ANYTHING? You could easily just as likely be mafia doing the same thing since there is no reason for a town to hold back so you become the most useless person to us in the game currently. It is also not early, there is not long left in the day phase. i don t refuse to post anything, this is still early if someone accuses me like you do, or if i have a clue, i ll share it obviously | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 06 2013 00:09 myRZeth wrote: my point is that a different approach isn t necessary wrong approach Quite frankly it is in this forum. Unless you change now you will definitely be dead this lynch because other people follow the same sentiment as me. That is why I'm trying to give you advice before you die, if you don't take it that is not my problem. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
HolyFlare (1): Lord Velocity (2): Chairman Ray, killerdog Heavenz (1): Umasi Bereft (0): myRZeth (2): Holyflare, Lord Velocity Currently Lord Velocity is set to be lynched! REMINDER: Voting is mandatory! The Person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched! Deadline is at 22:00 GMT (+00:00)! | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 06 2013 00:22 DarthPunk wrote: Vote Count! HolyFlare (0): Lord Velocity (2): Chairman Ray, killerdog Heavenz (1): Umasi Bereft (0): Vote myRZeth (2): Holyflare, Lord Velocity Currently Lord Velocity is set to be lynched! REMINDER: Voting is mandatory! The Person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched! Deadline is at 22:00 GMT (+00:00)! you missed myrzeth's vote on me | ||
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