Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII - Page 19

First reply:

Umasi is over reacting here imo. Ok you finished one discussion and you don’t think there are other topics which could be discussed apart from reads and thoughts?
Instead you propose (indirectly) to speculate over subjective opinions for the next 40 hours? I don’t see that to be more productive or helpful for town.

Holy’s defense:



Next post:

Umasi even increasing his aggression and going totally over board. Holy never been against discussion as we know he played a big part in the first one (see above).
It looks like Umasi is desperately trying to find a reason to call Holy scummy and vote on him asap because if you read Holy’s root post and his defense it makes no sense to presume that Holy is against discussion.

The discussion goes back and forth in the same manner as above until:


Yes this discussion was pro town. But even though you try to phrase it in a positive way, this discussion sheds a scummy light on you Umasi because:

- Your reasoning about it being pro town is weak
- You could have explained your ‘vote behaviour’ beforehand to everyone. Now it just looks like an excuse
- You didn’t apply your ‘vote behaviour’ in the last game we played together at all

First post addressing the topic in a considered manner. It is a valid point but applies more to after the first day than before, as holy mentioned shortly after.

Later on:


He is right on that point. However I consider his aggression fake (see above why). In that case it would mean the exact opposite, which puts also the relation of Blurry and Umasi in question. Is he defending him? Or is he just voicing his opinion?

Currently town read, hasn't been as much as some people, but the the posts he did make all seemed to serve a purpose, and I feel like he's been consistent in calling out behaviour he disagrees with. Also amde a few good town guiding posts. As the game progresses I'd hope for a little more reads/pressure coming from him, but he's definitely not what I'd call n1 lynch potential at all.

I got a very town read off blurry, for reasons I said last post. However he's provided no content (other then a "good post tomorrow" promise) in the last 36 or so hours. I'm keeping him high on my town list under the assumption that he's going to make a really good town post in the next few hours, if he doesn't post, or just parrots some other opinions then he's going quite far down the list very quickly. Don't feel like he'd be a good n1 lynch just because I'm loath to abandon someone who read so town at start, but if he doesn't have a reason for vanishing or if he posts nothing of value before the voting deadline I'll reassess.

Holyflare's been very very active, even if a lot of the posts have been a bit fulffy with regards to relevant content. I felt like he spent most of day 1 arguing about how "mafia should be played" rather then actually playing it, which can read as scum given how he didn't want any associations thrown on him, but he god into three arguments really quickly with blurry, bereft and Umasi and didn't back down from any of them (to the point where Umasi voted him.) I feel that's a point in his favour as town, because it would take a very brave mafia to be willing to thrust himself into the limelight that quickly. He's also made two decent posts since the, one calling out heavenz and infii for their relative lack of content. While ragging on people who haven't been very productive is by no means enough to put you as a pure town read, I liked his posts, and unless he suddenly locks up would like to keep him around.

Worth noting is that I think having at this stage in the game, I voting off a vocal player who might be a bit scummy is a worse play then voting off someone who has contributed nothing. We really don't want to punish contributing, and potentially end up on day 3 or 4 with a few players who have yet to commit to anything, and have all the people we've pushed hard (and have lots of post to reference and analyse) be dead.

It feels a bit like he wears his heart on his sleeve, he goes super from a little pressure, then with a little reassurance goes super starts posting normally, then goes super defensive/apologetic from some more pressure, then a little reassurance and he's back to posting normally, even being willing to knock other people for being suspicious of him because he feels he's been cleared. I don't think a mafia would be this confident in towns opinion of him, and would be a little more wary given how many times he's been under heavy suspicion. I also like that he's actively posting and engaging in discussion. Again, I really don't see him as a n1 lynch candidate right now, just because he's active, unafraid despite already having been under the gun twice, and as I said in holyflares area. Even if someone is reading a bit scummy, as long as they're active and contributing I'd rather lynch someone who's being super non-committal on the first day or 2. I get that that some people might disagree with that statement but if they do then I'd ask that we have that discussion day 2 rather then now, as we have only got 9 hours left to decide on a lynch, and I'd rather leave "meta policy" discussions or whatever until we've decided on a lynch for tonight.

Honestly have no idea what to do with him right now, he argued with holyflare early on, then made a post about another game being funny and vanished. It feels like he didn't re-read the thread closely enough on returning or something, but he was making some accusations/quoting things out of context which didn't really make sense at the time he got back. He's not been afraid to give opinions on multiple people though, and I wouldn't mind keeping him around as long as he posts more/says more. If he keeps vanishing then coming back and quoting things out of context he's gonna go down the list pretty fast.

Have trouble getting a read right now, doesn't have very many posts, but he's asking questions when he see's things which don't make sense to him and is giving his opinion on things. While he's part of the trio of inii/heavenz/lonemeow who I feel have been a little sparse with regards to putting their foot down, and would like to see a bit more pressure applied towards him, I feel out of those three he's been asking questions indiscriminatingly which puts him above the other two for now..

Same boat as lonemeow right now, he moans about inactives but has a grand total of 6 posts, only two of which contained actual analysis. While his longest post isn't poorly written and contains some decent insight, but is a bit sparse with actual reads (only clear read is him saying velocity is town), 2 or 3 good points isn't really much to your name after almost 48 hours of play. Personally I don't think he's a good n1 lynch, because he's shown the potential for decent analytical posts, and is willing to throw suspicion on people, however if he doesn't start posting more regurarly and being a bit clearer with what he thinks things actually mean then he's not going any higher on my list.

Hasn't posted much at all, he promised a big post today, and based on that he'll either go up in the list or stay here, I'll probably make my decision on whether he feels like a valid day 1 lynch or not based off that.

Said he was working on his scum reads but hasn't mentioned *anyone* except holyflare and umasi, where are you reads? Also jumped really hard on Lord Velocity, I know I did too but I've explained my reasoning, and I'm curious what Ray's is. Hasn't really done anything except say things about holyflare and umasi, who aren't really relevant (imo) with regards to the day1 lynch, and has shown no signs of changing, He's probably the non afk player I would be most willing to lynch at this point.

afk-ed, probably gonna get mod killed

claims he's been active but hasn't posted shit. That means he's read all our posts saying he needs to come out and hasn't done anything. This isn't a game where everyone does their own thing in a corner, it's a game where town has to work together, not sure if he's really bad town, creative mafia, or trolling but he's my current #1 lynch

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