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On September 05 2013 15:20 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 05:41 Umasi wrote:heavenz post was 'this is what I think and why' and then 'why' is really iffy, but at least he's willing to tell us what he thinks. Infii, you didn't really address much current in your post, but I'll give you time. Don’t you think the effect of a lynch threat will be reduced when you always have someone voted? If you want other players to know who you are targetting just write it in this thread for everyone to see. I obviously do not, but I don't want to bother with this discussion. I like killerdog for town for being very forthcoming with everything, and I'm waiting on Ray to tell us his reads. Lonemeow is doing a lot of asking questions, (which I am a fan of), he addresses the lurker thing which I am 100% on board with, but you'll notice he hasn't given opinions on anyone but Holyflare/me and phar (who only posted a useless one liner). gonna go full lonemeow style; Lonemeow, Why have you only commented on Holyflare and me? (and phar, with his one liner) I see you don't read very carefully, as I did FoS Lord Velocity (in the same post, no less). And while on that topic, my current read on him is newbie town, I seriously doubt scum team would let him draw attention with newbie mistakes like that. You, on the other hand, seem to have your reads jumping around quite a lot. You had a scum read on Chairman Ray earlier, has that changed and if so, why?
I'm not a fan of how hard he jumped on vel, but it's only slightly scum read due to activity.
heavenz, your entrance post was so unbelievably scummy, it makes me feel justified in keeping it on you. Who are you going to vote today?
(responding as I go through the thread)
On September 05 2013 18:22 myRZeth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 17:41 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 05 2013 13:35 killerdog wrote:
Mod question, If myrzeth doesn't show up by midnight CET, does he just die, or does a replacement get put in. Browsing the thread, the only two replacements i noticed were koshi and someone else, but you said koshi had way too many games for a newbie mafia, and the other guy mentioned only doing it if apeture mafia didn't start, which it has.
If myrzeth does not post or vote until midnight CEST, he will be replaced if it is possible. I would prefer not to use Koshi's offer since he is quite experienced. If I can find no other replacement I will contact Koshi.
Modkilling sucks, especially on Day 1 already... Being quiet is usually the best choice, at least on the SC2 Mafia Arcade game. You re able to observe everything and judge on your own. Don t worry, i m active 
wtf?
you're a worse case of holyflare than holyflare. At least he comes around to talk about things :|
On September 05 2013 22:56 Lord Velocity wrote:
Okay so I have to rush this a littlebit? I have to go to school and won'tbe here for the end of the night. So I would like to say that my read on Umasi I think was posted, but if not it's the same to Killers a little, they both provided major information leading us in the right direction on others, Holy still stands neutral as I said, I'm a little sketchy onBlurry andBereft because they come in, disregard everything said, and focus on everything that's happened like 5(or like 8) pages ago and don't bother trying to clear their names on some peoples list, as they have also got some sort of "Blurry said something, he's right." Or vice versa with bereft. But I won't be around to the end of the lynching phase so I'm sorry. I also do'nt think I'm a smart vote as I have 2 right now, so I think that might stay the same,but I will be voting for Bereft or Heavenz. Thank you, see you all later.
Why did you comment on being a little sketchy on blurry and bereft, and then voting between bereft and heavenz? (reply to this when you return)
On September 06 2013 00:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 23:57 myRZeth wrote:On September 05 2013 21:32 Holyflare wrote:On September 05 2013 18:22 myRZeth wrote:On September 05 2013 17:41 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 05 2013 13:35 killerdog wrote:
Mod question, If myrzeth doesn't show up by midnight CET, does he just die, or does a replacement get put in. Browsing the thread, the only two replacements i noticed were koshi and someone else, but you said koshi had way too many games for a newbie mafia, and the other guy mentioned only doing it if apeture mafia didn't start, which it has.
If myrzeth does not post or vote until midnight CEST, he will be replaced if it is possible. I would prefer not to use Koshi's offer since he is quite experienced. If I can find no other replacement I will contact Koshi.
Modkilling sucks, especially on Day 1 already... Being quiet is usually the best choice, at least on the SC2 Mafia Arcade game. You re able to observe everything and judge on your own. Don t worry, i m active Seriously, I am 100% going to vote you in the next few hours unless you post something with contribution... This is NOT the sc2 mafia game. Of course it s not, but i m new to the TL mafia game, so i ll follow my own strategies in the game for now Sure thing, do that. ##Vote myRZeth
I'm not sure I dig a RZ wagon, unless he doesn't speak up at all today with reasoning. I kind of hold him to this expectation now that he's shown he isn't lurking.
On September 06 2013 00:05 myRZeth wrote:
voting holyflare, because he s voting me without any clues/analysis/whatever
you can t vote somebody because of his playstyle, especially not that early, think about that
simply a countervote
......oh, an omgus
alrighty then.
regarding infii
rather, the entire case
The biggest thing that I'm in disagreement with holyflare about regarding day one talk is what it should be about. I don't think that there's anything to talk about if people aren't attacking each other. If he'd said 'I don't have any reads' I'd be like 'oh okay' but when he was like 'but YOU sure as shit won't be hearing them' it's an ~oh what the fuck moment.
On September 04 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 11:56 Bereft wrote:On September 04 2013 07:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
Has everyone got their QT yet? You should have received one by now. missed this somehow earlier -- was posting from my phone. ray what do you mean by "everyone"? thought only mafia and masons get this privilege...... @holyflare - agreed that meta has its merits, especially in a newbie game. i think that newbies' meta could be easier to discern vs. vets because we aren't as self-aware in our game play. what i do find interesting is that per your comments, i went back to browse past games, and in the last game you were in, like the very first post i see you make right out of the gate advocates lynching all liars and lurkers. mind explaining the sudden change of heart? why initiate this topic of conversation? sure, you could argue about the "math" of not lynching, but while this ultimately comes down to a game about numbers (like survivor!) your speculation about the math of it all seems pointless to me, because how do you quantify something like the present value of future clues? the cost of inaction? etc etc. i like blurry's idea. it's a bit early for me to have much of an opinion, but why not: on the town-dar: umasi - a bit rude perhaps, but not afraid to tread on toes and call shit out. on the scum-dar: don't wanna seem like i'm just following you, but i gotta say lord velocity too. while my first instinct was also to be suspicious of holyflare for advocating no lynch, i think LV was a bit quick to FOS holyflare with a 1-liner just for that. because i could see several reasons why scum would prefer a lynch day 1. if anything they might even think they stand to gain more by lynching day 1 vs no lynch unless they're incredibly risk averse lol. Nothing has changed, I will lynch the lurkiest player (unless obvious modkill) on the first night if I must. I was bringing up the situation of no lynches because this game had started with an even amount of players (normal mafia games are odd numbers of players) and so it is within our favour to at least no lynch once. Especially if our blue roles are favourable but even without. I've explained that in my previous post. That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time.
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On September 06 2013 01:01 Blurry wrote:
While I agree that he (myrzeth) isn't worth keeping around it may just be a waste of a vote to lynch him today. I'm assuming that the mafia has a QT which they can use during the day? If that is the case, if he really was just a lurking mafia his buddies would have given him stuff to say in order to save him.
I just don't think there is enough to go on piling on the easiest target because he is just a lurker, and it may very well be that a lot of the pressure on him is coming from mafia themselves. Be careful in voting for him because he is the easiest target for mafia to get a mislynch right now compared to anyone else.
qt speculation imo is not something worth caring about. judge them on their individual play (since, as stated before, I don't think a scum team is normally a hivemind)
the second line though, the bolded one, is worth more consideration.
Of course cop checks and vigi shots count, but I was talking about the worst case scenario. I decided not to accoutn for Vigi randomly shooting a townie before we find any mafia because that would just be really dumb.
and also entirely possible :|
##UNVOTE HEAVENZ
gonna reevaluate, I'll be around at around at deadline.
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I want to draw attention to LoneMeow's posting content.
It is made up of either asking people of their opinions on players or criticizing other peoples content.
There is literally no analysis form him at any point in the game, nor taking any sides. Hes creating posts without content to make it seem like hes contributing to the discussion. This is pretty darn scummy.
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@blurry,
heres the issue i have with you, you're calling out lonemeow for no analysis, but going through your filter here is the net sum of all the analysis you've provided over the past 45 hours.
On September 06 2013 03:50 Blurry wrote:
I want to draw attention to LoneMeow's posting content.
It is made up of either asking people of their opinions on players or criticizing other peoples content.
There is literally no analysis form him at any point in the game, nor taking any sides. Hes creating posts without content to make it seem like hes contributing to the discussion. This is pretty darn scummy.
On September 04 2013 13:38 Blurry wrote:
Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player.
It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now.
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On September 06 2013 01:01 Blurry wrote:
While I agree that he (myrzeth) isn't worth keeping around it may just be a waste of a vote to lynch him today. I'm assuming that the mafia has a QT which they can use during the day? If that is the case, if he really was just a lurking mafia his buddies would have given him stuff to say in order to save him.
I just don't think there is enough to go on piling on the easiest target because he is just a lurker, and it may very well be that a lot of the pressure on him is coming from mafia themselves. Be careful in voting for him because he is the easiest target for mafia to get a mislynch right now compared to anyone else.
What are your opinions on
-chairman ray
-heavenz
and are you saying you would rather lynch lonemeow then myrzeth?
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hey guys (esp. holy flare since this is in resp to your earlier post) unfortunately I'm still in the office when the day cycle ends (and this will always be the case on a weekday). so if I'm not actively writing thorough posts close to the voting deadline it's not that I'm attempting to skate by but that I'm hard pressed to do so. that being said, I will do my best to keep checking the thread and post from my phone.
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Vote Count:
HolyFlare (1): Umasi, myRZeth
Lord Velocity (1): Chairman Ray, killerdog
Heavenz (0):: Umasi
bereft (0):: Lord Velocity
myRZeth (3): HolyFlare, killerdog, Lord Velocity
Currently myRZeth is set to be lynched!
REMINDER: Voting is mandatory! The Person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched!
Deadline is at 22:00 GMT (+00:00)! You have ~3 hours left!
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My opinion is that Chairman Ray is slightly town because he did advance the discussion and brought up concerns about players nobody else had really said anything against. By saying he suspects Umasi who right now is probably the biggest leader in discussion he goes after the player who I would guess has the biggest sway.
Scum don't go after the big leaders during the day because it draws attention to themselves when they could just get it done at night.
Heavenz is also leaning town to me because hes trying to involve other players in the discussion as well. He also brought some pretty good analysis against me standing on neutral ground. He is right that I haven't really been taking any aggressive unpopular stances and I've been playing it safe.
I think Myrzeth is a waste of a lynch because he isn't playing like scum, hes playing like someone who doesn't know how the game works.
For now I think either lonemeow or Lord Velocity are the better lynch targets but maybe someone will make a slip up in the next few hours that will change my mind. I do however still think Vel is the scummier target so that is who will get my vote for the next few hours unless something changes.
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regarding myrzeth, I think his silence may have just been a totally rookie move / a lack of understanding of the game, so we shouldn't be so fast to lynch him. that being said, I have no desire to keep around someone making zero effort.
myrzeth, I would like to see in the next 2 hours some (any!) indication that you are willing to rethink your stance and make an effort to contribute to discussion. I really don't want to have to lynch somebody who's evidently not grasping the core concept of forum mafia before they have a chance to learn and correct themselves, but if you don't post you leave me with little choice.
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Another thing against myRZeth:
If he were scum lurking on purpose he would by now be trying to defend himself somehow rather than just some noob play. This doesn't really scream scum to me if he doesn't really even show up to defend himself. I want to hear more out of him before I lynch him, especially with nightroles being what they are.
One thing I will say is I can't really make sense of Holyflare. He just seems to swing all over the place making it difficult to see what his intentions are.
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gawd blurry stop posting the same shit as me lol.
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LV already thinks we are the hive mind damnit.
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Why am I the vote blurry? And why are you so fast to disregard MyRZ as a rookie mistake? Without actual providing evidence? And my suspicions between Blurry and Bereft still stand.
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I would say Bereft is the more suspicious person in the case because he's trying to not say what blurry says but if what you think is good town says something you agree with why would you try NOT to sound like him if he really is "town"
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Let me also tell you guys that I have played a lot of mafia and the first people in that game to get lynched are always the quiet people so when he says that I have no faith in his ability to play now or later.
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On September 06 2013 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
Let me also tell you guys that I have played a lot of mafia and the first people in that game to get lynched are always the quiet people so when he says that I have no faith in his ability to play now or later.
but is he SCUM?
(I'm back)
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that's what I'm debating right now :/
Want me to make a quick case on an alternative. Been tempted to make it for a while now.
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VoteCount:
HolyFlare (1): Umasi, myRZeth
Lord Velocity (2): Chairman Ray, killerdog, Blurry
Heavenz (0):: Umasi
bereft (0):: Lord Velocity
myRZeth (3): HolyFlare, killerdog, Lord Velocity
Not Voting: Umasi, Infii, heavenz, Bereft, Pharcyd3, LoneMeow
Currently myRZeth is set to be lynched!
REMINDER: Voting is mandatory! The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched!
Deadline is at 22:00 GMT (+00:00)! You have ~2 hours left!
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that said, the biggest thing that makes me think he's scum is his ridiculous omgus on you.
If he'd actually been reading, there are sure as shit better reasons and targets to vote on.
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