EPTWhile holy was posting most at the time, so it's not that odd that blurry has mainly been talking to him, it feels like anything holyflare posts, blurry disagreed with, and it was blurry who started the talk about saying your town/scum reads, which holy then refused to do.
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
While holy was posting most at the time, so it's not that odd that blurry has mainly been talking to him, it feels like anything holyflare posts, blurry disagreed with, and it was blurry who started the talk about saying your town/scum reads, which holy then refused to do. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
NOT when they have all the time in the world not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to panic create posts. ????? | ||
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Lord Velocity
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 04 2013 13:38 Blurry wrote: Two things: Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed. Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player. It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now. Aggression is one thing but tunnelling is a whole different matter. Read Umasi's 2nd page and notice how every post towards me jumps to something new without addressing my last answer. Also notice how he ignores the posts around my post that lead to my the things he is criticising and then uses them as reasoning for his vote. That is dangerous town/bad behaviour that you shouldn't necessarily attribute to townies. The constant criticism of one player always shuts the door on other players who are sitting back and watching things happen. Killerdog brings up some excellent points about other players that we should all be addressing. However, as they are most likely not around for now we can't do that. As lord vel is the only one that people had substantial queries towards who is still around you should also be pressing him and leaving questions for the people that aren't here to catch up on later. Especially as scum seem to skip over threads because they aren't scumhunting compared to the town that want to catch up on every detail. You should see who responds to these questions when they come back. and of course, you may ask me whatever questions about what I have said that you deem relevant | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
He says two things that I think DIRECTLY CONFLICT with each other. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
oh sorry EBWOP: 'panic' | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
....... ???????? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
How was that clarification hard to understand?? 'panic' is in inverted commas to imply a non intentional meaning of the word. What it meant to come across as is that when you ask people to clarify a post they don't feel like they are under pressure so will just respond to you naturally, they wouldn't entirely always need to consult a QT etc. However, when you say "X or Y is scum" Bereft was saying that the whole idea was to create pressure and make them panic by doing it, but I am implying that saying that makes them 'panic' i.e. not at all. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to downside here? out of curiosity, did you ever read the previous games (the one with me as scum)'s qt? I asked for geripts help on only a handful of posts, and even less of them did he respond on before I said 'eh good nuff'. Gotard and sc_a.M. playing the flaming afks for days, were also not around to consult frequently. The scum team is not a hivemind =/ | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
bolded for clarity. and maybe my game was the exception to the rule regarding qts =/ | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
Having the two most vocal people crash into each other immediately just means that the other 10 players can get away with not saying anything SUPER easily, and the aim day 1 is to get as much information on as many people as possible. It's been noted that Umasi has been tunelling hard on Holyflare, and it's been noted that Holyflare has mentioned several other topics of discussion which have been brought up in the meantime. I doubt Holyflare is going to suddenly crack at this point, and I doubt anything Holyflare says will fully satisfy Umasi. By all means try and settle this if you can, but I feel it would be much more pro town to note down that this happened, maybe revisit it at a later date, and focus on getting as many people to talk about as many things as possible. It just feels like all potential discussion topics (including the questioning of velocity) was brought in the last few pages have ended up being ignored because of this really early vote call/interrogation. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 04 2013 14:21 killerdog wrote: One very last thing, Umasi and Holyflare, if you don't resolve this within a page or two, just drop it. Everyone has noticed that Holyflare said two things which appear to go against each other a bit, but you two are by far the most vocal people so far in the thread, both of you have said a ton of things already, and this argument is just stalling the discussion now. Having the two most vocal people crash into each other immediately just means that the other 10 players can get away with not saying anything SUPER easily, and the aim day 1 is to get as much information on as many people as possible. It's been noted that Umasi has been tunelling hard on Holyflare, and it's been noted that Holyflare has mentioned several other topics of discussion which have been brought up in the meantime. I doubt Holyflare is going to suddenly crack at this point, and I doubt anything Holyflare says will fully satisfy Umasi. By all means try and settle this if you can, but I feel it would be much more pro town to note down that this happened, maybe revisit it at a later date, and focus on getting as many people to talk about as many things as possible. It just feels like all potential discussion topics (including the questioning of velocity) was brought in the last few pages have ended up being ignored because of this really early vote call/interrogation. On September 04 2013 13:51 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 13:38 Blurry wrote: Two things: Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed. Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player. It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now. Aggression is one thing but tunnelling is a whole different matter. Read Umasi's 2nd page and notice how every post towards me jumps to something new without addressing my last answer. Also notice how he ignores the posts around my post that lead to my the things he is criticising and then uses them as reasoning for his vote. That is dangerous town/bad behaviour that you shouldn't necessarily attribute to townies. The constant criticism of one player always shuts the door on other players who are sitting back and watching things happen. Killerdog brings up some excellent points about other players that we should all be addressing. However, as they are most likely not around for now we can't do that. As lord vel is the only one that people had substantial queries towards who is still around you should also be pressing him and leaving questions for the people that aren't here to catch up on later. Especially as scum seem to skip over threads because they aren't scumhunting compared to the town that want to catch up on every detail. You should see who responds to these questions when they come back. and of course, you may ask me whatever questions about what I have said that you deem relevant like that? | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework. tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e. For everyone, just a psa about me I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
Ok, my post might have been slightly more directed at Umasi then at you, although I did note that you were trying to bring up/participating in other topics (whether that's deflecting or trying to get town back on track I don't know, but it's potentially useful knowledge.) I feel like Umasi had a valid reason for pressuring you, and while it hasn't fully been resolved, (it feels like you're arguing past each other a bit) some things have been said which might be useful later on which otherwise might not have, it just feels like nothing is coming out of it anymore. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
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heavenz
Austria301 Posts
However Pharcyd3 also jumped on me with 1 post, 1 line, calling me out and then leaving the thread. At least equally scummy to my opening post, even more so that he just followed Umasi. There need to come more indeed. Lord Velocity, I don't have to quote here much as every post says: he doesn't like to get attention and tries to behave neutral / hide Holyflare is just doing his thing, posting much, but the content is mostly contentless. As he said himself, he is holding back his informations. Blurry good townread opening posts, focussing on the discussion. Chairman Ray, suspicious, or just weird? Has everyone got their QT yet? You should have received one by now. Killerdog, started out with a strong town post, but then just keept summing Umasi's and Holyf.'s conversation up. I want to have more than you just repeating and summing up the last 5 posts. most Scum: Lord Velocity, Pharcyd3, Chairman Ray, Holyflare (until he stops holding back, which I assume will be on day 1, then we'll see.) most Town: Blurry, Killerdog, Umasi | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
I'm extremely interested in hearing from Pharcyd3 who has definitely been here but only posted a worthless oneliner and Lord Velocity who has posted but seems to be low on actual content. Umasi, if you completely forget HolyFlare for a moment, who would you prefer to lynch right now? | ||
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