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heavenz
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Bereft
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Umasi
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Lord Velocity
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Umasi
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Lord Velocity
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Umasi
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Pharcyd3
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Also, while people may not approve of 'metaing' in the game, I will be doing a lot of it for my own sake, so do not poo-poo it. I am genuinely interested FOR MYSELF to hear if anyone has played with anyone else but I see most of the people I have not played with are relatively new so have no 'meta' as such. As for 'loaded questions' + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 08:13 Blurry wrote: A couple more things, please don't use loaded questions. I don't want to kill townspeople, but I also think that the risk of doing so is necessary to inspire discussion. Why does it have to be obvious that someone is scum? We should go off our best hunch rather than waste time. As far as + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 09:21 Umasi wrote: Posting on shitty iPod ATM, hope it formats correctly. Why are we still talking about the benefits and disadvantages of no lynching? Policy is a good conversation starter, not a good subject of conversation. Heavens, that post is worthless. Absolutely irrelevant. Said nothing. Role playing is something I am increasingly losing patience for. At least pretend to have read the discussion. Holy flare is wrong but townie, null on info, ray is scummy, heavens is scummiest, blurry is null. Heavens is scummiest for his entrance, ray for being active but useless. I'd rather wait for you to get back to elaborate on this and I have some queries for you when you do. | ||
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Blurry
Switzerland125 Posts
Everyone answer the following questions. Who is your strongest town read? Who is your strongest scum read? This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices. Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On September 04 2013 07:53 Chairman Ray wrote: Has everyone got their QT yet? You should have received one by now. missed this somehow earlier -- was posting from my phone. ray what do you mean by "everyone"? thought only mafia and masons get this privilege...... @holyflare - agreed that meta has its merits, especially in a newbie game. i think that newbies' meta could be easier to discern vs. vets because we aren't as self-aware in our game play. what i do find interesting is that per your comments, i went back to browse past games, and in the last game you were in, like the very first post i see you make right out of the gate advocates lynching all liars and lurkers. mind explaining the sudden change of heart? why initiate this topic of conversation? sure, you could argue about the "math" of not lynching, but while this ultimately comes down to a game about numbers (like survivor!) your speculation about the math of it all seems pointless to me, because how do you quantify something like the present value of future clues? the cost of inaction? etc etc. i like blurry's idea. it's a bit early for me to have much of an opinion, but why not: on the town-dar: umasi - a bit rude perhaps, but not afraid to tread on toes and call shit out. on the scum-dar: don't wanna seem like i'm just following you, but i gotta say lord velocity too. while my first instinct was also to be suspicious of holyflare for advocating no lynch, i think LV was a bit quick to FOS holyflare with a 1-liner just for that. because i could see several reasons why scum would prefer a lynch day 1. if anything they might even think they stand to gain more by lynching day 1 vs no lynch unless they're incredibly risk averse lol. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 04 2013 11:56 Bereft wrote: missed this somehow earlier -- was posting from my phone. ray what do you mean by "everyone"? thought only mafia and masons get this privilege...... @holyflare - agreed that meta has its merits, especially in a newbie game. i think that newbies' meta could be easier to discern vs. vets because we aren't as self-aware in our game play. what i do find interesting is that per your comments, i went back to browse past games, and in the last game you were in, like the very first post i see you make right out of the gate advocates lynching all liars and lurkers. mind explaining the sudden change of heart? why initiate this topic of conversation? sure, you could argue about the "math" of not lynching, but while this ultimately comes down to a game about numbers (like survivor!) your speculation about the math of it all seems pointless to me, because how do you quantify something like the present value of future clues? the cost of inaction? etc etc. i like blurry's idea. it's a bit early for me to have much of an opinion, but why not: on the town-dar: umasi - a bit rude perhaps, but not afraid to tread on toes and call shit out. on the scum-dar: don't wanna seem like i'm just following you, but i gotta say lord velocity too. while my first instinct was also to be suspicious of holyflare for advocating no lynch, i think LV was a bit quick to FOS holyflare with a 1-liner just for that. because i could see several reasons why scum would prefer a lynch day 1. if anything they might even think they stand to gain more by lynching day 1 vs no lynch unless they're incredibly risk averse lol. Nothing has changed, I will lynch the lurkiest player (unless obvious modkill) on the first night if I must. I was bringing up the situation of no lynches because this game had started with an even amount of players (normal mafia games are odd numbers of players) and so it is within our favour to at least no lynch once. Especially if our blue roles are favourable but even without. I've explained that in my previous post. That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time. Why not? missed this somehow earlier -- was posting from my phone. ray what do you mean by "everyone"? thought only mafia and masons get this privilege...... he was like 'oh hoh hoh this is a clever way to catch scum' or he's a troll. or he's legitimately confused by how this game is played. On September 04 2013 11:09 Blurry wrote: This discussion is pretty slow so how about this. Everyone answer the following questions. Who is your strongest town read? Who is your strongest scum read? This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices. Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff. strongest town read:You for asking this question and trying to talk about something productive. strongest scum read: vel, for calling me out as town and ignoring the other parts of my reads post, it feels like he thought I was a threat to be appeased. I also am leery of heavenz for ignoring the discussion. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 04 2013 12:20 Umasi wrote: I am around to talk to, class finished and I'm at my computer. Why not? he was like 'oh hoh hoh this is a clever way to catch scum' or he's a troll. or he's legitimately confused by how this game is played. strongest town read:You for asking this question and trying to talk about something productive. strongest scum read: vel, for calling me out as town and ignoring the other parts of my reads post, it feels like he thought I was a threat to be appeased. I also am leery of heavenz for ignoring the discussion. I'm not going to go into the revealing town reads in day 1 crap discussion again, what does it add? Nothing! Who cares who I THINK is town when everyone has posted like 1 post so far. Not only is there nothing to go on but revealing who I think is town just gives scum people to target if I die. As far as scum it's too early to tell really, yeh there's some scummy looking shit but until we hear more than 1 post from everyone there is nothing else to go on. Remember deus' first post in XLV, yeh, he was town. Admittedly, he cut the bs pretty quickly and went crazy aggressive but we've yet to see more from heavenz so it could all change. Any other 'reads' you all have at the moment are crazy speculation for now. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one You didn't reveal your scum or town reads. Why am I here again? What are we talking about? moreover didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them? | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On September 04 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote: That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time. hahaha ok dude, we'll try our best to survive the night without your brilliant insights. can't promise that we will though. it's not in our hands. (yours...maybe?) | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 04 2013 12:34 Umasi wrote: Alright holyflare. We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one You didn't reveal your scum or town reads. Why am I here again? What are we talking about? moreover didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them? Totally just responded to Bereft that's why it's 'backtracked' or if you're implying I've changed my stance, I haven't. I'd like you to see what I wrote, It's just telling people that no-lynching is an option and it should be used within this game. Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'... As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 04 2013 12:39 Bereft wrote: hahaha ok dude, we'll try our best to survive the night without your brilliant insights. can't promise that we will though. it's not in our hands. (yours...maybe?) I don't expect you to understand if you are new to mafia but this is the way things are. | ||
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Blurry
Switzerland125 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 04 2013 12:53 Blurry wrote: The reason you voice your suspicions is because it puts pressure on that person. When someone is under pressure they make mistakes and reveal things they shouldn't. Write about your hunches, it also allows us to see if you are innocent, and yes, when you are town you need to prove your innocence by providing good analysis and leading the discussion. Which is what happens later in the day when you can form a concise and accurate analysis and put them under pressure as it is nearer the deadline when they have less time to react and re-read the entire thread to formulate a post and so it is off the top of their head and memory. NOT when they have all the time in the world, the filters and the ability to talk with their allies in QT to formulate a counter strategy and or bandwagon. There is 0 pressure from calling somebody scum now. | ||
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