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Sounds a lot like your townread on kush is entirely independant of any "contributions" he may or may not have made. Kinda contrasted to my read on yamato which you got really mad at for some reason.
Either way, I'll buy that explanation for kush for now, since I really don't have a better one.
I am trying to get you lynched. Do you want me to quote 20 pages of filter where you are spamming up the thread and try to use that as an argument? obviously not, because anybody who has been reading the thread even in passing knows how much garbage you are spewing. The difference is, like I said, 2/3 of the thread has unshakeable townreads on you despite EVERYTHING. I've put my reasons out there for lynching you, and people don't seem to pay much attention. Possibly because most of them were promptly buried by 10 or so posts from you espousing my scumminess.
And yes I'm not willing to answer all your stupid questions. You literally never stop asking irrelevant questions. I'd say I've answered far more than is really worth the time, since you aren't arguing from a logical perspective. Which is another scum tell really. Anybody who read your little cop claim can see that it was never going to achieve anything other than adding some mass confusion and allowing you to accuse people of all sorts of hypothetical crimes based on shit that you were literally making up as you went along. You aren't playing this game from the perspective of a town player, so arguing with you like you were is obviously (and has proven to be) a waste of time.
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well thats a WTF one.
NSAM and SAM in same game. Somebody had fun with this setup.
I rather obviously need to start from square 1 sooooo yeah.
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For now we are in "benefit of the doubt" area until re-reads occur.
Also it was one of the few ways rayn could be town so now that he is town... makes it more likely you are SAM.
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Okay, In order of appearance:
VayneAuthority - special case: him and yamato have kinda done about the same amount, and have been pushing each other as lynchable for the whole game. The key here is that my other scumreads all give vayne a free pass and have yamato as a top scumread.
johnnywup - town points for early interactions with crazo but not enough. Null for now.
Sn0_Man - me. Claiming town is a given.
mkfuba07 - vig claim, this one is pretty cast in stone
FirmTofu - He's been scummy since day 1. Of note, his WILD 180 on onegu after it is certain that onegu will be lynched. Like, he pushes Onegu saying "scummiest post I've seen in this thread" on his stuff, then this: + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote:
Sn0_man is mafia. Onegu isn't.
I retract all previous accusations of Onegu. Onegu is playing far too differently than his scum games to be scum. Scum Onegu is aggressive and hot-headed. Most of his cases are OMGUS. This game he voluntarily pursued me. He initiate confrontation and pursued it to such an extent that it made him a viable alternative lynch to Yamato. Scum Onegu never plays like this. Scum Onegu doesn't take these kinds of risks.
Sn0_man is totes scum. I cannot believe how much he has gotten away with since he survived the lynch. Scum clearly shifted the tide of WoS/Sn0 wagons. The fact that the wagons were so close is a testament to this fact. Sn0 has been tunneled on a handful of people the entire game. He hasn't bothered to provide reads on anyone else and has been content watching the game from the sidelines making baseless accusation towards rayn and koshi(probably a bus) the whole game.
The , his only post today was a wasted vote towards rayn who is next to impossible to lynch right now. He hasn't done JACK SHIT the entire game and we are gonna lose because no one is fucking realizing this fact.
Rainbows - Soft-defended Crazo for a while, has consistently tunnelled townies (onegu/fuba especially, also me), was one of DP's prime scumreads at the N0 kill. Also some very relevant posts just before D1 lynch: + Show Spoiler +On August 23 2013 12:54 Rainbows wrote:
Sn0 is active and scummy since the early game. Scum can engineer the posts that I really liked about how he plays as scum / town. I had a gut read early and I need to learn to stick to it or else I'm never going to lynch mafia D1. We are lynching either Fuba or Sn0_Man. Deal with it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sn0_Man
STANCES -- GO
+ Show Spoiler +On August 23 2013 13:54 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 13:49 FirmTofu wrote:On August 23 2013 13:48 Rainbows wrote:On August 23 2013 13:46 FirmTofu wrote:On August 23 2013 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok Im here just been feeling really shitty, anyways I will consolidate my case for you kush I still want answers.
##UNVOTE
Going over everything now
Our two lynches for today are Sno_man and WoS. Ideally, we should consolidate on one so that we can prevent scum from vote-switching to save their ally right before the deadline. Two questions for you: Which one do you think is more scummy? Why? The problem I have here is that you are omitting Fuba. WHY? Everyone is omitting the Fuba. He has like one vote on him, bro. That vote is you. We don't want to give scum too many options this late into day. Yeah, let's lynch the people scum are already voting for. Because that's how you win games. I'm placing my Fuba vote final. If you guys want to kill WoS/Sn0 have fun. I'm saying they smell like mislynches, Sn0 a bit less than WoS but whatever. # #Vote: MkFuba07
kushm4sta - based on rayn's read, which made as much sense as anything to me.
Koshi - I reread his entire filter. I still don't like a variety of things but it is hard to see his play as anti-town atm.
yamato77 - null. Special case opposite of vayne. About as useless but I feel like yamato has been hit too hard from too many sides to be scum. I could be wrong here. I still like things he said but I admit his play hasn't screamed town. If vayne flips then my read on yamato should solidify rapidly.
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To clarify my above, the posts I spoilered are what I feel were clear instances of scum distancing themselves from the mislynch as soon as it was clear what lynch would happen.
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PS I could totally see yamato survivor mostly worried about being NK'd if he got too "useful" but fairly certain that he could stave off his own mislynch. Not that it matters.
He partook in a fair bit of survivor claim discussion.
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PPS Dam votecount inc?
##Vote: FirmTofu
As promised pre rayn-death.
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I don't see where he confirmed anything of the sort tbh
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Well that doesn't make me comfortable.
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Because I have a solid scumread on you and now I'm voting with you.
One would assume it should make you uncomfortable too since I'm your "strongest" scumread if I read your recent posts.
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On August 28 2013 01:43 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 01:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Because I have a solid scumread on you and now I'm voting with you.
One would assume it should make you uncomfortable too since I'm your "strongest" scumread if I read your recent posts. So how does that make you feel about FT? Am I bussing him?
Good question. As far as I can tell yes. In reality it makes me more interested in lynching you first, though I'm not sure if I can actually pull that off right now.
It sounds like you have already thought through this WIFOM and chose this bus route, but that is very confirmation biased (NOT LIKE THAT STOPPED ME BEFORE).
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WTF is with you 2 sucking up to me now?
You both had hard scum reads on me not so long ago (though Koshi at least provided some sort of reason for backing off it). I'm curious to hear what caused such a 180.
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Crazy didn't even push you with any seriousness. He quoted a lot of your posts and ended up with "maybe he had a bad day".
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"if I go down kill vayne" is PURE wifom since if he goes down he flips then we read everything he said from a scum perspective. There is no way I treat that as evidence.
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Tell you what vayne: Gimme 1 solid read that isn't yamato. Town, Scum, IDGAF. Must include reasons, preferably ones that I can relate to.
It is fairly obvious to me that somewhere my reads are off given how Rainbows is going after FT, although technically it could still be a bus. I'd like to see something from you since you aren't a solid read yet.
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On August 24 2013 23:09 kushm4sta wrote:
scumteam is yamato, mkfuba, onegu
final answer
no take backs
Alright Kush this was your last conclusive set of reads. You are a scorching 0/2 on the flips. Still sold on yamato? who else?
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Okay fuba didn't flip, but I'm assuming he is confirmed town to you as well?
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I was wondering when scum was gonna show up to present that theory.
Its the only reason I can think of that they killed rayn actually: to paint me as scum.
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On August 28 2013 03:00 FirmTofu wrote:
If you people think I'm scum, you would also have to believe that:
1) I killed my strongest townread.
2) I killed the one guy pursuing my strongest scumread.
3) I would kill someone that has defended me throughout the game.
4) I would kill someone whose death would reveal a ton of information to town.
Rayn's death was a terrible NK. I would never kill town rayn as scum because he is always too aggressive and makes stupid plays.
1) Killing your strongest townread as scum isn't illogical. All your reads are for show anyway since you know real alignments. Hell it makes you look "right".
2) Killing the guy pursuing your scumread also makes sense. It paints your scum-read as scummier.
3) Killing somebody defending you is irrelevant. Unless somebody has nailed the whole scumteam every townie has defended a scummer.
4) Quick, what new info does rayns death provide town? That he was an NSAM? Sure it proved MY scumread wrong but it didn't change the vast majority of town reads in general.
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Tofu what happened to this?
On August 26 2013 17:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok I caught something suspicious in rainbows filter. He voted sn0 very briefly then invited to something stupid that kush said. The unvote wasn't really justified based on his stated beliefs. Looks a lot like a bus.
Also, rainbows has been looking rather diffident since fuba became confirmedish town vig. Looks like he's shooting in the dark, not really doing anything of value to town. I can lynch him. He's definitely a better lynch than Onegu.
##vote: Rainbows
You never came close to retracting that, but rainbows is barely under suspicion from you ATM. What did he do to change that?
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