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+ Show Spoiler [LOL delayed] + Normally my first post has spoiler LOL in it. Sorry this one doesn't I will try to make time tomorrow for it, except it is not very LOL and instead merely pretty, it does however have to do with "apeture" and is hence topical. meh it will amuse me. First note i have driven 1400km in the last two days so I am little fuzzy. If I make no (even less than normal) sense (sorry) I will try for a return to normal service tomorrow. Anyway the game the thread so far seems odd, maybe its the unusual for me size? @WOS. I see you doing stuff. What I don't see is you trying to find stuff out? I have seen the points 'other people' made about you and they made sense when I read them. (I will see if they still do after a good nights sleep) ##vote WaveOfShadow I am also intrigued by why earlier posts by 'other people' did not wind up in a vote or how their misgivings were soothed. + Show Spoiler [LOL preview] + | ||
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On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote: {emphadd}Show nested quote + On August 30 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 30 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote: On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote: The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun. Three theories, none of which you like 1) cora is scum 2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad 3) cora is butthurt one of these fits quite well with your personality What about 4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched? There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh. On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote: @WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please. Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit? Cora as a jester role? I guess this is similar to how jester-cora would play (make enemies and so on). This seems like a pretty normal setup though so I doubt there will be anything 3p or jester-like. Here's my problem bbygrl. Cora knows about his reputation at the moment. He also knows players in this game know about it. Clearly doing this on purpose for whatever reason. He may be butthurt on top of all this, but he's certainly a good enough player (as bad as you say he is) to not let that show unless he wants to show it. I believe that you know all of the above as well BH, so why antagonize him? I could very well have antagonized Cora as well (and was about to; anyone who played in the LOL Inhouse a couple days ago will probably know what I mean) but I didn't. In calling me a dick he's making a play here. I don't think I'm being a dick (and sorry if I actually am, Slamdance). I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph. So BH, having seen the response, what was Cora's alignment? Given Dandels post... + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 14:19 Dandel Ion wrote: Yes, hello. Replacing Corazon I see. Last time i did that he couldn't handle the ball requirement of playing scum and fucked off because he rolled scum Now I see the butthurt is overflowing. While I have not read the role PM yet (DEAL WITH IT), I will probably have the same role as him (it's likely, but one can never be sure) Thus I feel it is my responsibility to FUCK YOU YOU ARE ALL SONS OF A BITCHES WHY DID YOU STEAL MY CANDY RAWEAWESESKEJLKSJEFLKWEJF *sob* everyone is so mean to me! /curtains Whoooooooo What do you make of Dandels suggestion his alignment might not be the same as Coras was? | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 30 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not see any point in bringing up a speculation of multiple scumteams, especially from kita, as the game OP clearly states there are multiple scumteams. No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them @Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources Have you played/read other Aperture games? Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. And kitaman very well knows that. Rayn: Have you played/read other Aperture games? Axle: Nope (not recently enough to remember anything) Rayn: Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. Axle having just buzzed it while that is kind of what it @Rayn Why do you claim to know what it 'is' instead of 'was'? Why dont you wonder how grey might have changed it for this game? Rayn: And kitaman very well knows that. @Rayn I am not clear how what kitaman very well knows happened in previous games has an effect on your interpretation of what he said? I think kitaman did not post it did not post what he said about faction because he thought it was a brand a new thought to everyone, but because at least one person on the scum team will have said that in their QT (hence all the scum already know), and there might be (and are) town players like me who have not read aperture (recently enough) to remember anyth9ing about it. I also never played either portal for more than 5 mins, and its been a very long time since I last knew who Black Mesa was. it is thus a net win to tell any townies who dont know(me) the most important stuff from the last games. So from my point of view anyone pointing out obvious important thematic stuff from aperture games, portal or ... is fine with me. if that offends some players put it in spoiler tagged to the end of useful post. ta. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 00:33 GMT
#1062
On August 31 2013 08:49 VayneAuthority wrote: It's a good idea to lynch geript because we can test if his claim is real or not. If it is real, then we look at the people that soft pushed his lynch once he claimed, because that is where the scum lies. A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing and is surely not scum is scum driven. @vayne. HUH? Surely the underlined bit is you.... driving a Geript Lynch. hence according to you the bold bit you must be scum? If it is as you say "where the scum lies"... is it "A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing?" | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 00:35 GMT
#1063
On August 31 2013 09:03 strongandbig wrote: why can't he be one-shot lynchproof scum they have existed before probably more frequently than multishot lynchproof town Are these these only the altetrnatives you are aware of that he might be? | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 05:11 GMT
#1144
On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote: In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral! Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies. I tend to base my estimates of some ones alignment on my thoughts not theirs. However overly simplistic or overly rigid interpretations that come out how the poster wants them are a flag. Does your rule only limit to BH? Oh gawd when players start making scum calls based on single pieces of evidence that are not the link to scum QT, then I then I start to think they are scum, then I remember and sigh. THEN I REMEMBER ITS VE AND VE IS ALWAYS SO SERIOUS IT HERTZ. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 05:48 GMT
#1145
only because you asked + Show Spoiler [so nicely] + On August 31 2013 10:33 Blazinghand (ebwopped to) wrote: Seriously though show me how it makes sense for P(Blazinghand is town|Blazinghand knew cora would rq) < 1 and I will be amazed On August 31 2013 10:33 Blazinghand wrote: er, < 1? or ~Blazinghand is town? pretend I wrote that in a way that makes sense and is mathy and impressive The trouble with mathy and impressive is it is harder to create false dichotomies. If (in a game almost but not quite exactly like this one) you were scum and Cora was scum.... if the QT you two were arguing about stuff. and it spilled over into the thread.... and thus even if Cora was made to rage quit then the replacement was going to be good enough... (to be a win) Now in that reality mathematically (but not morally) there is no downside? As scum its win win + Show Spoiler [As per RandomBums post] + On August 31 2013 10:38 randombum wrote: I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do. I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good. In that reality either the two scum rage at one another giving distance + shit up the thread. One of them quits and gets replaced by the widely renowned scum player Dandle.... See Sig line | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 08:02 GMT
#1153
On August 31 2013 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 09:33 AxleGreaser wrote: On August 31 2013 08:49 VayneAuthority wrote: It's a good idea to lynch geript because we can test if his claim is real or not. If it is real, then we look at the people that soft pushed his lynch once he claimed, because that is where the scum lies. A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing and is surely not scum is scum driven. @vayne. HUH? Surely the underlined bit is you.... driving a Geript Lynch. hence according to you the bold bit you must be scum? If it is as you say "where the scum lies"... is it "A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing?" I don't know what you are saying most of the time but I am not being subtle about it all, I am saying geript is a good lynch. Scum wouldn't want to take a stance on it, but make sure it happens. They can't go back and edit their posts now so I have no problem saying it. WoS brings up a good point about him playing so blatantly cocky, that there is a possibility he WANTS to be lynched for whatever reason Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but If I am asking you questions at the time that does not matter. Indeed if you think about it... if I had explained really clearly what I didn't like (found alignment ambiguous) about your previous post then you replying would have been easy as scum or town (hence not alignment indicative). With the way I asked the question your reply are your thoughts not merely mine reflected back at me. Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but Tip: If that gives you difficulty working out my alignment try asking me the questions... try finding out if I have good reasons behind what I do. Be warned: asking me questions often tells me more about your alignment than me asking you and you answering mine. Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but Thats ok it works like that both ways. I asked you the question because I had failed to understand what you were thinking. (On August 31 2013 08:49) I could put the meaning you have replied with to your original words but only if I assumed you were town. If I guessed you were scum I could have put a scum motive to them. I still can but now its harder wine to drink. A normal interpretation of any question I asked is to explain in more words something related to whatever I asked or referred to. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 08:20 GMT
#1154
##unvote WOS (flips coin) ##vote MrZentor | ||
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August 31 2013 10:13 GMT
#1180
On August 31 2013 18:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + If he's town, he's completely useless and will be a liability at LYLO. If he's scum, we should lynch him anyway. Either way, I want him out of the game sooner rather than later. Sounds like the definition of a vig shot? Do you think you can get 16 votes for what basically amounts to a policy lynch? Why come into the thread like this? @Cakepie. Q to Cakepie. Given two people (Alak + 1 other) how would you decide which is best to lynch and which is best to vig shoot. Why for you is alak the one to lynch? If he is a buffoon... how good would you think his scum game is...? | ||
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August 31 2013 10:24 GMT
#1182
On August 31 2013 19:13 Clarity_nl wrote: step 1.5 fuck off after your opening post and don't return BTW now that i read the other responses altogether... this is quite welcome you have just had, and you have actually played fewer games than Alak. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=cakepie&gb=date&d= So please do respond to at least some stuff. Dont think of it as "Whats with all the hostile?" try to consider it as a mad desire to get you off the vig tonight list. Yours was the filter than was on the other side of the coin flip I did to decide who to vote between you and Mr Zentor. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19640640 TLDR: post More words soon... please. | ||
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August 31 2013 10:29 GMT
#1187
On August 31 2013 19:21 cakepie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 18:35 Clarity_nl wrote: If he's town, he's completely useless and will be a liability at LYLO. If he's scum, we should lynch him anyway. Either way, I want him out of the game sooner rather than later. Sounds like the definition of a vig shot? I'd shoot if I could, but I can't, so I use my vote to add emphasis to what I think. -- Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 18:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, do you think he has a good chance of flipping red or do you just not want him in the game? The latter for now, even if I may not get what I want. He is an impediment to my game as I rely on communication and reasoning, and people being comprehensible. I am not completely sold on the lynch du jour, so while I examine and weigh other possibilities, I intended for my vote to make a statement, even if it is not necessarily a viable lynch at this point. -- Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 18:50 Blazinghand wrote: make first contribution only a few hours before D1 deadline IDGAF what you think about the timing, I play this game as my RL schedule allows, and I don't believe I'm breaking any rules. ninja'd ta people not posting is even more of an impediment to mine. (and i think you had run out of people not posting to prod.) but the rest I can see | ||
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August 31 2013 20:35 GMT
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On September 01 2013 05:04 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 17:20 AxleGreaser wrote: @WOS Untunnelling ##unvote WOS (flips coin) ##vote MrZentor Seems legit. Gee i hope the vig's dont decide they prefer other targets tonight. ##unvote MrZentor On September 01 2013 05:14 geript wrote: Well BH... this is a GreyMist game. You can believe me that you get lynched today and be effective for the next 3.75 hours or you can continue to be scum. Your choice Well Geript, ... I've been waiting for whatever the supposedly "towny play your were going to make to play out" so far I just see IDGAF scum twisting in the wind. You now appear to be making some new claim? Not just unlynchable... ##vote Geript | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 20:54 GMT
#1374
On September 01 2013 05:38 Blazinghand wrote: we still need one more vote! yes we do. Attention The following may or may not be useful. (I can but try) Assuming at least one wagon can reach majority.... (and we have some time left) Then even though i hate shenanigans.... @BlazingHand @Clarity @VisceraEyes I need two conditions met. If any of you three WILL not be here near lynch could you please tell me as I would want to choose an alternate. If any one of you three is not of the opinion that say... greater 50:50 I am town I might (probably) also need to choose an alternate. (please remember that I mean the real statistical 50:50 and that at the game start is was closer to 75:25 i was town due to standardish ratios town v scum) Alternatively again... someone else may have some last minute shenanigans and then that could make this whole post moot. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 21:00 GMT
#1378
On September 01 2013 05:41 geript wrote: First off people, if I were scum you need to answer a few basic questions: 1. Why would I explain shit about my role? 2. Why would I continue to troll people to get a reaction? 3. Can you honestly think that I'd be this brazen from the start just to force me to use my ability instead of vote rigging D2 or D3 as scum? You people are being intentionally dense. I intentionally played to my scum meta because I wanted to see who would choose to focus where. So what did you learn? | ||
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August 31 2013 21:08 GMT
#1388
On September 01 2013 05:38 Blazinghand wrote: we still need one more vote! yes we do. but one of the vote is Geript so we really need 2. Attention The following may or may not be useful. (I can but try) Assuming at least one wagon can reach majority.... (and we have some time left) Then even though i hate shenanigans.... @BlazingHand @Clarity @VisceraEyes I need two conditions met. If any of you three WILL not be here near lynch could you please tell me as I would want to choose an alternate. If any one of you three is not of the opinion that say... greater 50:50 I am town I might (probably) also need to choose an alternate. (please remember that I mean the real statistical 50:50 and that at the game start is was closer to 75:25 i was town due to standardish ratios town v scum) I would also need a few relatively non descript random town individuals but there ought be some of those... Alternatively again... someone else may have some last minute shenanigans and then that could make this whole post moot. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 21:09 GMT
#1391
On September 01 2013 06:04 kitaman27 wrote: Also, geript can't vote for himself. Keep that in mind with the majority. Ideally we have more on him than 16 to avoid vote stealers and scuh. yeah vote stealers... that makes it scarier. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 21:13 GMT
#1392
Given the OP says You may not vote for yourself. Isn't an attempt to do so invalid? On September 01 2013 06:04 kitaman27 wrote: Also, geript can't vote for himself. Keep that in mind with the majority. Ideally we have more on him than 16 to avoid vote stealers and scuh. So geripts vote is informal and not to be counted? On September 01 2013 05:44 Crossfire99 wrote: Day 1 Lynch geript (15): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster (0): Koshi (0): Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27 (0): WaveOfShadow (1): ShiaoPi (1): WaveofShadow Blazinghand (1): HiroPro, Felkyr (3): cephiro (0): Mr. Cheesecake (0): VisceraEyes (1): strongandbig MrZentor (0): Alakaslam (1): cakepie yamato77 (1): The lynch will happen in at Sunday, Sep 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required. Voting Thread | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 21:16 GMT
#1393
On September 01 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote: I don't suppose we could use the talisman to change the vote rig from once per game to zero times per game? Or perhaps the one time lynch proof to zero time lynch proof? Not quite sure how items are passed. you could read the OP: Item mechanics. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 21:46 GMT
#1412
On September 01 2013 06:21 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 06:18 HiroPro wrote: I'm rather enjoying watching BH squirm in his last few moments. does everyone know something I don't know? Well geript has upped his claims to include you are going to die? (instead as well or something? IDK also IDGAF he does not appear to me to be playing) On September 01 2013 06:16 Blazinghand wrote: 1) we need more votes for geript. It may look like he's getting lynched but he's not: we need more. 2) if you're some kind of doublelyncher/dayvig, AG, and you need me to do something to activate your power, let me know. I'll do it. nothing that ostentaious. However as nothing productive appears to be happening apart from people waiting to vote geript last (I hope) My plan is: I want at the end of the day: The lynch wagon to have enough votes to be safe from votes stealers. BUT If we can get enough votes. I want at the end of the BH VE and Clarity to be voting for me!!!!! If that happens then that would a pro town outcome. reasons for choosing you three. 1/ As its sheningans I can trust you three to get it right and not let the lead wagon fail. How pro town is it? It is not pro town enough to risk the lead wagon failing by one vote. How pro town is it if it fails? (where fails = the day ends without you guys voting for me) Scum have no idea what I am doing and I like that out come too. BTW please dont accidentally lynch me or anything I only want some votes on me. [spoiler=at the aether?] Hows that for great? [spoiler] | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 21:55 GMT
#1427
On September 01 2013 06:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Caught up. Felkyr seems to be putting in an effort so I'm fine with him around. Consolidating I guess, although my kneejerk response was to test the unlynchable claim, the more I thought about it the less it made sense. I think dandel is a good lynch, but since my case there's been no interest so I don't think I'll get 15 votes. If I'm wrong please let me know, we do have 3 hours left after all. ##Unvote ##Vote geript @Clarity Consolidating is great. if we have the breathing room please if you think its safe to swap your vote to me at the end. (see my previous posts) @everyone (who is town) unless you have your own plans consolidating is great. Also if you consolidate then Clarity VE and BH can swap to vote for me. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 22:02 GMT
#1433
On September 01 2013 06:54 Cephiro wrote: @Axle I am going to change on my vote if you will stick with those three. I am not understanding either this or the EBWOP. TBMK. Cephiro: is currently voting for Geript. Thats where i want Cephiros vote: Id like some other townies to consiolidate onto geript so that BH Clarity and VE can safely vote swap to me. (remember vote stealers) I dont want or need any other votes on me. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 22:10 GMT
#1444
On September 01 2013 06:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 06:55 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 06:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Caught up. Felkyr seems to be putting in an effort so I'm fine with him around. Consolidating I guess, although my kneejerk response was to test the unlynchable claim, the more I thought about it the less it made sense. I think dandel is a good lynch, but since my case there's been no interest so I don't think I'll get 15 votes. If I'm wrong please let me know, we do have 3 hours left after all. ##Unvote ##Vote geript @Clarity Consolidating is great. if we have the breathing room please if you think its safe to swap your vote to me at the end. (see my previous posts) @everyone (who is town) unless you have your own plans consolidating is great. Also if you consolidate then Clarity VE and BH can swap to vote for me. Oh I kinda forgot about this. Do you need all three of us? And is there a reason you choose those three? The stated reason is that I trust you three to get the shenanigans right and correctly allow for vote stealers etc.... aka perceived SKILL It is not a three or nothing thing. (I wont even cry if I get no votes today) It is not worth messing up the lynch. (hence a skill requirement) | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 22:19 GMT
#1453
On September 01 2013 07:05 Cephiro wrote: What I mean is, if you're going to stick with those 3 people as your "trusted ones" for shenanigans, I will vote on you instead. Why? Does that mean you dont trust them? (BTW I am happy if only two of the three are town) That you now dont trust me because I chose them? If you vote for me instead then they cant so safely swap to vote for me? If you are town please dont do that (swap to vote for me) if you are scum (and not one of those three VE Clairty BH ) feel free to vote for me. | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 22:22 GMT
#1457
On September 01 2013 07:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 07:02 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 06:54 Cephiro wrote: @Axle I am going to change on my vote if you will stick with those three. I am not understanding either this or the EBWOP. TBMK. Cephiro: is currently voting for Geript. Thats where i want Cephiros vote: Id like some other townies to consiolidate onto geript so that BH Clarity and VE can safely vote swap to me. (remember vote stealers) I dont want or need any other votes on me. I don't think I will be changing my vote so you may have to rely on others. Is there any reason you want your vote parked somewhere like Shiaopi? | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 22:29 GMT
#1462
On September 01 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 07:10 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 06:57 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 01 2013 06:55 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 06:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Caught up. Felkyr seems to be putting in an effort so I'm fine with him around. Consolidating I guess, although my kneejerk response was to test the unlynchable claim, the more I thought about it the less it made sense. I think dandel is a good lynch, but since my case there's been no interest so I don't think I'll get 15 votes. If I'm wrong please let me know, we do have 3 hours left after all. ##Unvote ##Vote geript @Clarity Consolidating is great. if we have the breathing room please if you think its safe to swap your vote to me at the end. (see my previous posts) @everyone (who is town) unless you have your own plans consolidating is great. Also if you consolidate then Clarity VE and BH can swap to vote for me. Oh I kinda forgot about this. Do you need all three of us? And is there a reason you choose those three? The stated reason is that I trust you three to get the shenanigans right and correctly allow for vote stealers etc.... aka perceived SKILL It is not a three or nothing thing. (I wont even cry if I get no votes today) It is not worth messing up the lynch. (hence a skill requirement) Alright well I see no reason not to. I'm around at lynchtime. I'll make sure there is a big enough gap between geript and anyone else, and if there is I'll switch my vote to you a bit before deadline. ta. NOT between geript and anyone ELSE This is MAJORITY. We need "With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. " please be sure there is a big enough gap between geript and the 16 required to Lynch. Sheesh. (If plausible numbers of vote stealers swappers (what evers) pull the vote under 16 Id expect a no lynch?) | ||
AxleGreaser
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August 31 2013 22:46 GMT
#1470
On September 01 2013 07:24 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 07:19 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 07:05 Cephiro wrote: What I mean is, if you're going to stick with those 3 people as your "trusted ones" for shenanigans, I will vote on you instead. Why? Does that mean you dont trust them? (BTW I am happy if only two of the three are town) That you now dont trust me because I chose them? If you vote for me instead then they cant so safely swap to vote for me? If you are town please dont do that (swap to vote for me) if you are scum (and not one of those three VE Clairty BH ) feel free to vote for me. Yes, it means there are people I don't trust enough in there. However, if your tricks are of such manner they cannot cause anti-town to gain a benefit, then I don't mind. But you're clearly looking for people you trust, which is why I'm assuming there is something that can go wrong. The possibility to go wrong is pretty much confined to if those three misplay shenaningans and we no lynch. If they also (not just you) mistrust one another their thinking about shenanigans also will allow for that when they decide if it is safe to vote swap to me. Thus unless you mistrust say 2 or more of them then I say (with more knowledge than you) that the plan is pro town and you should help me by allowing the max number of them to swap. Consider this: Everytime we force scum to make public decisions it gives town information. I have manufactured a new decision point. You are deciding if this plan is safe or not and talking about it. They will be deciding if the wagon is safe enough from a no lynch to swap or not. So far even if nothing happens at all (no one votes for me) I think town is in front compared to where wed be if I had done nothing. You helping by either moving your vote to geript or leaving it there gets more information yes? | ||
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August 31 2013 23:16 GMT
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On September 01 2013 07:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here guys don't worry. What's going on? Well, I posted this id like you to read. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19645269 The upshot is... I say that if you think the lead wagon is safe from turning into a no lynch via vote stealers or whatever then at the end BH Clarity and VE should vote swap to vote for me Axlegreaser. I say that is good plan even if one of you is scum. (I even doubt it will help scum even if two of you were scum) You need to try hard not to let vote stealers swappers drop the vote below 16. There ought be plausible limit on how many votes they might be able to steal or swap. (due to balance) So if you can please have your vote on me at the end of the day. | ||
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August 31 2013 23:20 GMT
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On September 01 2013 08:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you know something I don't? Axle, does your power backfire if there is more than 1 scum voting for you? You seemed oddly specific that having 1 scum is fine. No I have considered everything like that. I would also be happy if the entire scum team who is not you three vote for me.... I would also be happy if you three vote for me and one scum hops ride as a fourth. aka everything. The risk is if trying this gets a no lynch. Also its not big play, it is just the best I have got. | ||
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August 31 2013 23:21 GMT
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On September 01 2013 08:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Actually no axle don't answer that, dumb question oops | ||
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August 31 2013 23:22 GMT
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On September 01 2013 08:18 Blazinghand wrote: actually, tgere's also the possibility that he just kills everyone who's voting him, which would be kinda LOL. I'll do it though. I'll do it for the lols I hope this works! ##unvote ##vote AxleGreaser That would be pretty LOL but OP? | ||
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August 31 2013 23:46 GMT
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On September 01 2013 08:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What is Axles power, do we know? I can't be fucked to read every post of his. No I didnt say. @BH VE and clarity. I am neither good at me doing last minute shenanies nor guessing Gmists setup. I have read my PM, that I am very good at reading that. You need to use your judgement on whether it is safe for you to swap from Geript. The risk as I understand it is if Geript is scum and scum can manipulate the vote by some small number so we need margin. The other option that actual scum publicly jump off a fellow scum after you guys is I would have thought net loss for them. TBMK other than the above, everything about this, including you guys using your judgement, is a win for town. | ||
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On September 01 2013 08:44 mkfuba07 wrote: Erm, forgot to post in the voting thread earlier...still on page 74. Any reason I should vote anyone besides geript? Looks like votes aren't going to matter if geript's telling the truth... Id like you to vote for geript even though it appears not to matter. | ||
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On September 01 2013 09:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 09:12 Dandel Ion wrote: On September 01 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Geript is town. No way scum has that kind of power. Free mislynch and NKs for them. uh, no. voterigger is a scum role. It's not so much a voterigger as it is a pardoner + unblockable dayvig Like, you noticed bh has EVERY vote on him, yes? Plus town voteriggers exist. My problem is that does not look like a very good vig shot. Geript please explain a towny why you used your virtual vig shot on BH, and not on any of the other appropriate Vig targets? | ||
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@Geript please explain a towny why you used your virtual vig shot on BH, and not on any of the other appropriate Vig targets? | ||
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On September 01 2013 09:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 09:28 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 09:14 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 01 2013 09:12 Dandel Ion wrote: On September 01 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Geript is town. No way scum has that kind of power. Free mislynch and NKs for them. uh, no. voterigger is a scum role. It's not so much a voterigger as it is a pardoner + unblockable dayvig Like, you noticed bh has EVERY vote on him, yes? Plus town voteriggers exist. My problem is that does not look like a very good vig shot. Geript please explain a towny why you used your virtual vig shot on BH, and not on any of the other appropriate Vig targets? Because he's been tunneling bh all game. Axle can we try your thing again tomorrow or no? I saw that (tunnel) and I asked him a question :\ | ||
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On September 01 2013 09:34 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 09:30 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 01 2013 09:28 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 09:14 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 01 2013 09:12 Dandel Ion wrote: On September 01 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Geript is town. No way scum has that kind of power. Free mislynch and NKs for them. uh, no. voterigger is a scum role. It's not so much a voterigger as it is a pardoner + unblockable dayvig Like, you noticed bh has EVERY vote on him, yes? Plus town voteriggers exist. My problem is that does not look like a very good vig shot. Geript please explain a towny why you used your virtual vig shot on BH, and not on any of the other appropriate Vig targets? Because he's been tunneling bh all game. Axle can we try your thing again tomorrow or no? I saw that (tunnel) and I asked him a question :\ Sorry. I forgot already that it was not totally clear the question was to him. | ||
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On September 01 2013 09:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Geript shouldnt be lynched, this looks like a town role because its one guy deciding the lynch. Thats stupidly scum favored if hes mafia. Big posts are i get home. And what if stupidly scum favoured is balanced by town vigs, or scum numbers, or .... I find easier to beat the scum playing the game than outguess the hosts. I want Geript to explain his choice of target. | ||
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On August 30 2013 11:14 austinmcc wrote: Geript, will you type a different number than 1000? Like...say I had a cow to sell you and I'm not willing to part with it for less than $2000. But it's worth $10000, easy $8000 cow-profit for you. How much would you pay for my cow? I know your question wasn't to me. But I have different answer. Operating on the assumption that I am maximising the prospective personal return to me then unfortunately the problem is largely unsolvable as there are other complex parameters of the situation I would want to know. However to answer the question without asking for the extra info. Assuming reasonable values for those 'other complex parameters of the situation' then with a high degree of probability I would pay you between $4000 & $8000 in order to maximise. I really do rather like your questions. @geript So geript when will you be in the thread tonight(game time)? | ||
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On September 01 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote: geript town guys. Not voterigger, some role that switches all the votes on you to another target. lol BH again victim of the lynch Which totally explains why my vote on SHiaoPi was moved. Thanks for your contributions as always Oats. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision. I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. So was there a good reason you had your vote on Shioapi right at the end of the day? When it was already clear you had expressed your preference to Lynch Shiaopi but it was never going to happen? | ||
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On September 01 2013 14:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 14:56 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 01 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote: geript town guys. Not voterigger, some role that switches all the votes on you to another target. lol BH again victim of the lynch Which totally explains why my vote on SHiaoPi was moved. Thanks for your contributions as always Oats. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision. I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. So was there a good reason you had your vote on Shioapi right at the end of the day? When it was already clear you had expressed your preference to Lynch Shiaopi but it was never going to happen? Not explaining it again. Read my filter. I have. Originally here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19646000 you said On September 01 2013 07:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 07:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think I will be changing my vote so you may have to rely on others. Is there any reason you want your vote parked somewhere like Shiaopi? Already explained it; first of all I think he's scum but since my vote doesn't matter, meh. I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so. you said this subsequently On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. and in my filter I explained that my plan was fine even if some of the three were scum yet still even though you "I am fine with AG's plan" you cant swap your vote onto the geript wagon to enable my plan to work? even though I say the thing you are concerned about (BH's confidence in going along with it) is fine. Playing as town is hard... you have to cooperate with people you only probably think are townies...(in this case me and my plan) its the effort to try and do that I am not seeing. That part of playing as town is also hard to fake as scum. So yes even though you have explained that in your filter... I could do with you clarifying why some more. (people reading this exchange ought remember that in my own statistical opinion i tunnel WOS like trojan. So form your own opinions please. Also note I tunnel him in games I am not playing just reading...) @thread What I am looking for when analysing what happened when i tried make my plan go down is who acted like a townie would. As the situation (me wanting specific 3 votes was unusual as mentioned earlier in my filter scummers were trying to fake stuff they had never done as townie... aka work out how suspicious as a towny they ought be of my weird arse sounding plan.) yes its thin, so is trying to read what happened from the votes on someone that never flipped (geript) when he then redirected the lynch onto someone that hadn't even be a contender. | ||
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On September 01 2013 15:02 Oatsmaster wrote: right ok. Huh. So I guess we are gonna waste 2 days.. Game with Voterigger is lame GreyMist. I could argue we might wind up wasting 5 so which 2 days are you referring too? (game or real days BTW) | ||
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On September 01 2013 08:20 HiroPro wrote: ^ what he said. So what was your reason? | ||
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On September 01 2013 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote: we are gonna waste day 2 because we lynch geript. I would have thought someone would try the other option. | ||
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On September 02 2013 01:52 AxleGreaser wrote: He(Geript) is also getting to AFK proportions tonight | ||
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On September 02 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: nononono Geript is playing like a caught scum. Why else kill the strongest townie in the game? but OATS he did kill you? | ||
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On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote: I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript. We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript. Tomorrow Id like to hear reasons for those. | ||
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On September 02 2013 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Voting for Felkyr was suspicious exactly why? because seemingly MrZentor knows what geript will flip? and even what Felkyr will flip. | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:22 Dandel Ion wrote: i explained it better You left one out On September 01 2013 04:59 geript wrote: Ok guys so here's the lowdown of what's happening. BH is getting lynched whether you like it or not. I didn't like how he came in to 'defend' me and Cora. He absolutely loves, as scum, to defend town based on random bullshit meta stuff. Normally, he'd either push me harder to try and get me to show my agenda and alignment while pushing his own preference on Ceph. I don't like Ceph much either and strongly considered lynching him instead, but BH just keeps on giving me the heeby-jeebies. I've had my play planned out from the start of when I read the role and we get a freebie scum lynch whether or not you like my play. So you might as well start discussing the second person you want to lynch because I'm going to keep on pulling shennanies until the fate hits the limit where I turn off. he claimed scum? Huh? If geript is town how is him redirecting the lynch after derailing the thread all day by intentionally playing to his scum meta actually a free lynch for his faction(in this unlikely scenario town) If geript is scum how is him redirecting the lynch a free lynch? I try never to believe anything a scum says but after he flips i strongly suggest people read what he said again. When i read his filter during the day trying to decide his faction it was largely so WTF that I couldnt. I suspect it may make more sense when read with no doubt in your mind. in particular if he flips scum makes sure any disinformation he managed to insert + Show Spoiler + (such as he is certainly the vote rigger)(not if hes scum...then he only might be the vote rigger he might be something else.) This one worries me too. Geript: I'm going to keep on pulling shennanies until the fate hits the limit where I turn off... Q. Even if geript is scum who rigged the Lynch? and how many times might they be able to do that. I posit once? but hey this is GM game so I have no fing idea. | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:55 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 05:46 kitaman27 wrote: I'm more interested why Zentor waited until night one to start posting. Unavailability? Usually, the amount I post first day is directly proportional to the probability of me getting lynched. Day 2: ##vote MrZentor Might i suggest you start posting D2? | ||
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On September 02 2013 09:44 MrZentor wrote: I posted before you on D2, bro. + Show Spoiler + Instead of Stealing, Always Attack Cautiously. Coool now post stuff where you think about the game so other people can discern your alignment. | ||
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On September 02 2013 09:36 MrZentor wrote: I'm surprised nobody managed to kill geript. Meh. For instance write a significantly larger number of words about why you were surprised. What you thought might happen but did not. You could then try and provide any thoughts you derive from that that might be helpful to town. Such as what it implies for what town should do. | ||
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On September 02 2013 10:01 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 09:59 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 02 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote: On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote: The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list. That's all. The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr" On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote: On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote: On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote: I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript. We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript. What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes? Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway? And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will? Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum . So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful? I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list. Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum. How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious. stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy. Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla" But then there's this: On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote: On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote: How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing. Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything. I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town) This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it? If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious?? I try to make him clarify: On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote: On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote: If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet?????? You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is. Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town. Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS. Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game. His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game. Therefore Zentor is scum. Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum? I'm no confident anymore that it is a scumslip. But notice how I brush past it in my case too. I guess it's possible for you to say it like that as town, although it feels off. Everything else makes you scum though. You should put some reads in the thread now I mean, I responded to everything you said in your case and show you why it's all townie, but you haven't responded. please remember how there is problem with people assuming that just because of the words used they assume the speaker is either certain or not certain someone else is scum..... For the moment assume this.... I think you are town. I am worried other people don't. In order for me to get you to convince them you are town, I ask you one (or more questions) Q. You were earlier analysing what happened with yesterdays votes and you did that to work out who was how likely to be scum. Start with these assumptions (or others if you prefer) Geript got a scum PM. Felkyr got a town PM. The scum for the duration of the day new they could redirect the lynch at days end. Considering the following may be helpful too. (maybe not post about them but helpful consider) Do remember that at some point in the day geript "claimed" he played to his scum meta (all day?) intentionally. Do you (reading his filter) believe he did that (played purposeful to his scum meta all day)? or is there some point where he said oops and changed plans, or did he from the start get himself targeted to be lynched. If he did that as a plan all day where and when do you think scum might have voted? Do note thinking about his as a towny (who does not know who is and is not scum) is harder for scum to fake especially if you post lots of words about it. I am town, I just checked my Pm again. If you check yours and you are town. Help me help you? + Show Spoiler + If you are scum.... wanna dance? paranoia is an old friend of mine. if you are town prudent trust is marvellous thing, and its hard to fake too. | ||
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I have now fixed that by putting in a late vote, then imemdiately unvoting him to reach the correct current state Too confusing? ignore this. FYI: PlayersP: Sorry this out of time synch with when i did it in the game thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19655497 which was just before Clarity. but it will show up in the tally as afetr as this is the actual vote thread. ##vote MrZentor ##unvote: MrZentor See MrZ for the purposes of the previous post I now think your town... help me help you. | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:33 MrZentor wrote: I don't really think I need your help, Cephiro has already helped me a lot... yeah and you can help me by doing what I asked, or not? Do I know Cephiros alignment? I am not stupid. | ||
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On September 02 2013 12:16 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + He may have thought it about, but Axlegreaser did not seem have the same opinion of BH/VE being very likely mafia that I did. Furthermore from the posts of his that I read he did seem to indicate that there would be some sort of small risk if there were multiple mafia there:On September 02 2013 12:06 Felkyr wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2013 11:56 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 11:42 Felkyr wrote: Did you already explain why you tried to dissuade AG from using his power? Please do so. Yes, I already explained this. Read my filter. Show nested quote + I also have made no attempt to offer an opinion on geript's alignment. I have thought about it, but everything I could think of has already been said one way or the other. It's complicated and I don't think I could figure it out at the moment. Cakepie might think the same. I find this a useless/weak reason to attack Cakepie. I do not like it. You're a completely new player in a fairly ridiculous themed game and indicated day 1 that you wouldn't lynch geript. That's understandable. cakepie seems to at least have a moderate understanding of how to play and has played in more than 1 game, had access to coaches, and observed games beforehand. Would it be this? On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. It's the only thing I found between a lot of rubble. It's already late and I'm sorry if there is anything else. I find this very weak... AG made very clear that he thought very deeply about the effect of his power. For me, this is a very bad reason to tell him not to use his power. Or you didn't read, or you didn't care. Show nested quote + Why?Does that mean you dont trust them?(BTW I am happy if only two of the three are town) Show nested quote + "Thus unless you mistrust say 2 or more of them then I say (with more knowledge than you) that the plan is pro town and you should help me by allowing the max number of them to swap." Show nested quote + Read here:On September 01 2013 09:17 HiroPro wrote: role!=alignment. The fact that he can rig votes doesn't tell you anything about his alignment, especially not in a game like this -_- You said this... I don't see anything else where YOU form an opinion of geript's alignment. What is your opinion? You have to be kidding, right? Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote: I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread). Show nested quote + And finally: On September 02 2013 06:49 HiroPro wrote: Father...Father oh where have you gone. All I have left are your teachings and readings. When all I really wanted was your tools. sniff, it's ok. I'M NOT YOU, I CAN BE MY OWN MAN. Legendary, Revolutionary, Insurgent, Suicidal, Scribe, I will avenge you! I have your masks, this game can still be brown! Long Live The New Brown State! I suppose you don't want to explain this to me? I'm new and don't know all this metagame stuff. There's no point in explaining. You wouldn't understand without having played in games with Chezinu. So apart from... simply state On September 01 2013 08:20 HiroPro wrote: ^ what he said. and when asked reply VE + BH scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. Did you try to convince me they were scum and it would be better plan to use another 3. Did you nominate another 3. Did you try and find out how small the risk and whether in risk versus reward sense i claimed it was Ok? Did you check if I 'didnt seem concerned' but had instead been deliberately as restrictive as I could in what I said? Aka as you didnt know if backlash from two was problem did you find out for sure? As it turns out you were likely wrong about both VE and Bh, did you try and find out why i thought different? A towny question you could have asked yourself is was I right(you wrong) I wrong(you right) or scum? Did you check out just how analytically I had exactly been in evaluating the entire tree of possibilities. The way i tell the difference between scum and town is by the intentions behind the stuff they do do. and also by the stuff they try and do and how well. So very many towny things you could have tried to do given the mindset you claim to have had Please show me you trying to do towny things today. ##vote: HiroPro | ||
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HiroPro(4) < CakePie, debears, Felkyr, Axle (seems popular) Mr Z(1) < Cakepie(1) < HiroPro. (OMGUS?) | ||
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On September 02 2013 15:43 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + What's the motivation in me even bothering to ask you to hold your power as mafia? geript had said multiple times that votes weren't going to matter at all for the day. If I was mafia, I would know for certain that your power would just be wasted, so why would I tell you to not use your power if I was mafia?On September 02 2013 15:21 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 02 2013 12:16 HiroPro wrote: On September 02 2013 12:06 Felkyr wrote: He may have thought it about, but Axlegreaser did not seem have the same opinion of BH/VE being very likely mafia that I did. Furthermore from the posts of his that I read he did seem to indicate that there would be some sort of small risk if there were multiple mafia there:+ Show Spoiler + On September 02 2013 11:56 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 11:42 Felkyr wrote: Did you already explain why you tried to dissuade AG from using his power? Please do so. Yes, I already explained this. Read my filter. Show nested quote + I also have made no attempt to offer an opinion on geript's alignment. I have thought about it, but everything I could think of has already been said one way or the other. It's complicated and I don't think I could figure it out at the moment. Cakepie might think the same. I find this a useless/weak reason to attack Cakepie. I do not like it. You're a completely new player in a fairly ridiculous themed game and indicated day 1 that you wouldn't lynch geript. That's understandable. cakepie seems to at least have a moderate understanding of how to play and has played in more than 1 game, had access to coaches, and observed games beforehand. Would it be this? On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. It's the only thing I found between a lot of rubble. It's already late and I'm sorry if there is anything else. I find this very weak... AG made very clear that he thought very deeply about the effect of his power. For me, this is a very bad reason to tell him not to use his power. Or you didn't read, or you didn't care. Why?Does that mean you dont trust them?(BTW I am happy if only two of the three are town) "Thus unless you mistrust say 2 or more of them then I say (with more knowledge than you) that the plan is pro town and you should help me by allowing the max number of them to swap." On September 01 2013 09:17 HiroPro wrote: role!=alignment. The fact that he can rig votes doesn't tell you anything about his alignment, especially not in a game like this -_- You said this... I don't see anything else where YOU form an opinion of geript's alignment. What is your opinion? You have to be kidding, right? On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote: I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread). And finally: On September 02 2013 06:49 HiroPro wrote: Father...Father oh where have you gone. All I have left are your teachings and readings. When all I really wanted was your tools. sniff, it's ok. I'M NOT YOU, I CAN BE MY OWN MAN. Legendary, Revolutionary, Insurgent, Suicidal, Scribe, I will avenge you! I have your masks, this game can still be brown! Long Live The New Brown State! I suppose you don't want to explain this to me? I'm new and don't know all this metagame stuff. There's no point in explaining. You wouldn't understand without having played in games with Chezinu. So apart from... simply state On September 01 2013 08:20 HiroPro wrote: On September 01 2013 08:14 Cephiro wrote: Axle, don't use your power please. ^ what he said. and when asked reply VE + BH scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. Did you try to convince me they were scum and it would be better plan to use another 3. Did you nominate another 3. Did you try and find out how small the risk and whether in risk versus reward sense i claimed it was Ok? Did you check if I 'didnt seem concerned' but had instead been deliberately as restrictive as I could in what I said? Aka as you didnt know if backlash from two was problem did you find out for sure? As it turns out you were likely wrong about both VE and Bh, did you try and find out why i thought different? A towny question you could have asked yourself is was I right(you wrong) I wrong(you right) or scum? Did you check out just how analytically I had exactly been in evaluating the entire tree of possibilities. The way i tell the difference between scum and town is by the intentions behind the stuff they do do. and also by the stuff they try and do and how well. So very many towny things you could have tried to do given the mindset you claim to have had Please show me you trying to do towny things today. ##vote: HiroPro I have multiple scummy reason a person might do that.... Which would be most likely would believe how much misinformation you had swallowed. 0/ You are mafia and stuffed (by not having towny motives see above) when given an unusual choice. 1/ Too look busy. 2/ cant work out how else to respond so you sheep someone... 3/ emotionally speaking .... As mafia there are other things you may not know. Mafia were suddenly left not having the D1 lynch go just how they planned. 4/ I promise I made up N different powers I might or might not have that would all mean i might have done what i did at that time. BTW one of them would be VT.... 5/ That I wanted some of mafias best targets to vote for me... might well have meant town had some counter power... What I don't see is you making towny effort as per above. 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I still believe there is information to be gained by examining who voted where when and why. @everyone Towny points (if you think you need them) if someone can suggest that while the D1 lynch is quite a wash in terms of normal analysis of votes as scum were neither trying to drive nor disrupt Geripts lynch How can you analyse the D1 lynch and try to glean some info about who was scum or town motivated? | ||
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On September 02 2013 20:17 AxleGreaser wrote: Sometimes even two is not enough and it is face palms all the way down sorry for any confusion those are for the item (not the double vote above the post) thats a mere technicality... it took me a while to find enough face palms... | ||
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On September 02 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Axle what is your reason for not voting geript? I believe I am currently not voting anyone My views on his alignment are pretty clear. That he is still AFK is pretty clear. I have been participating and making my thoughts known.... I do admit the item switch thing threw me a bit... FYI: the people I have pushed today you had better believe I am serious... and unless i get the post more towny stuff now that i have requested will be back to you... | ||
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On September 02 2013 22:03 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Axle what is your reason for not voting geript? I believe I am currently not voting anyone My views on his alignment are pretty clear. That he is still AFK is pretty clear. I have been participating and making my thoughts known.... I do admit the item switch thing threw me a bit... FYI: the people I have pushed today you had better believe I am serious... and unless i get the post more towny stuff now that i have requested will be back to you... ooops sorry not voting for anyone was the state I thought i was in, it was what I planned to do, when I read the alakaslam thing I just kind of got mind blown and lost it for a while. its not that i wouldnt lynch HiroPro, or even that I was persuaded by his responses, its more that while i want him to answer questions, today, hes not the only one... | ||
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On September 02 2013 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 22:03 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 02 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Axle what is your reason for not voting geript? I believe I am currently not voting anyone My views on his alignment are pretty clear. That he is still AFK is pretty clear. I have been participating and making my thoughts known.... I do admit the item switch thing threw me a bit... FYI: the people I have pushed today you had better believe I am serious... and unless i get the post more towny stuff now that i have requested will be back to you... I don't understand any of this.. geript is perfectly capable, even decent, as looking town when he is town. Your suggestion is that he purposely looked like scum so he could rig the votes and make D1 voting patterns unreadable? What purpose does that serve as town? Him giving us doesn't mean he is town. My opinions on geript are I think in the thread/filter and fairly clear. I lynch scum at the end of the day. During the day I find them. That is what I have been doing. Do you believe voting for geript and doing ..... will find scum. On September 02 2013 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On a sidenote, Alakaslam looks hella suspicious and should be the other candidate. Anyone who has been reading the thread should not vote for ShiaoPi unless someone CC's him regarding the pokemons or unless i drop dead. What are your thoughts on Alakaslam? I have some thoughts. Currently I am waiting to see how it plays out. At some point I would ask questions of people (probably anyone other than alak) as I still don't know exactly what happened. except it was face palm +++ material. On September 02 2013 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also what was the point of your post about me, this one: Show nested quote + On August 31 2013 07:25 AxleGreaser wrote: On August 31 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 30 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not see any point in bringing up a speculation of multiple scumteams, especially from kita, as the game OP clearly states there are multiple scumteams. No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them @Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources Have you played/read other Aperture games? Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. And kitaman very well knows that. Rayn: Have you played/read other Aperture games? Axle: Nope (not recently enough to remember anything) Rayn: Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. Axle having just buzzed it while that is kind of what it @Rayn Why do you claim to know what it 'is' instead of 'was'? Why dont you wonder how grey might have changed it for this game? Rayn: And kitaman very well knows that. @Rayn I am not clear how what kitaman very well knows happened in previous games has an effect on your interpretation of what he said? I think kitaman did not post it did not post what he said about faction because he thought it was a brand a new thought to everyone, but because at least one person on the scum team will have said that in their QT (hence all the scum already know), and there might be (and are) town players like me who have not read aperture (recently enough) to remember anyth9ing about it. I also never played either portal for more than 5 mins, and its been a very long time since I last knew who Black Mesa was. it is thus a net win to tell any townies who dont know(me) the most important stuff from the last games. So from my point of view anyone pointing out obvious important thematic stuff from aperture games, portal or ... is fine with me. if that offends some players put it in spoiler tagged to the end of useful post. ta. What were you trying to accomplish with this and when i did not answer you why did you not follow that up in any way? Notice how you claim to know exactly what black mesa IS Whereas my information comes from reading previous games and so onyl know what it I could call that a scum/mesa slip... by you. I am pretty sure you were overlooking that Black mesa might well be significantly different this time. Indeed as the setup is meant to be closed, it is probably anything except what it was last time. Also my suspicion levels of you have not reached level where I think I should do something active about them. | ||
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On September 02 2013 23:33 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 02 2013 23:18 debears wrote: Ok. I'll just tell you guys my power and we can decide. I can nirvana strike someone, meaning the lynch goes between me and them If the lynch is a double lynch (like now), then we both automatically die. I don't know what of make of this post. debears, you're pretty good at this game, why would he suggest such a terrible thing? Eh. You might be overexaggerating a little bit there. Anyways, here is my thought process. geript was almost unanimously scummy to everyone right? So he is unlynchable in a normal vote cuz he has vote transfer or something like that. And he didn't die at night, meaning we have no vig or he has some sort of protection. If he has sustained protection, I highly doubt it would come from a town source. So he's likely scum. I can end his life here and now in a situation where we might not be able to kill him. From my point of view his play is certainly scummy. he even says it is. (intentionally during D1) Even if from some uber power point of view it was worth screwing over D1, since D1 he also has not played townie, and is in IDGAF mode. I can make some setup specualtion abotu how he cant be scum as that would be unreasonable... but this is aperture. + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2013 23:05 Hassybaby wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 02 2013 20:38 Hassybaby wrote: On September 02 2013 10:00 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 02 2013 09:54 Hassybaby wrote: Huh....turns out I didn't roll high enough to save VE Are you the one that made him a noflip? Nope. At least, I dont think so How can you not know for sure? Is there something in your role that you don't know about yourself? Remember that this is an Aperture game. In Aperture 1 I killed a guy because I used my medic card on someone else, so If killing him was cheap id be in. As for trying to guess another another ordinary lynch would do anything to him. or whether 1 scum kp was blocked(assm 3?) and one of the nk was vig who didnt shoot geript... or .... Well theres virtually endless that. Thus on the pros and cons of debears plan I am of the Op I have no idea. Unless theres some time limit doing it early would be bad. We ought spend what time we can seeing if we can find two scum to lynch. Bottom line. This is game where people do whatever.... so whatever. | ||
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On September 02 2013 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Like look at it this way, geript is likely scum but I have this nagging feeling. His play makes no sense as either alignment. If you martyr yourself to kill you and geript and geript flips town, we are fucked. If geripts town and we have town members(who could be and have the skills to be capable) actively(intentionally) playing against us were fucked too. | ||
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On September 02 2013 23:50 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Like look at it this way, geript is likely scum but I have this nagging feeling. His play makes no sense as either alignment. If you martyr yourself to kill you and geript and geript flips town, we are fucked. If geripts town and we have town members(who could be and have the skills to be capable) actively(intentionally) playing against us were fucked too. Time left to decide on debears idea first we need to see if we can find two good Lynches. Then consider two good lynches vs Debears & geript | ||
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Another point people could comment on today is the following question. @Everyone. yesterday i nominated 3 people i wanted to vote for me. If we end the day with two good lynches. is there anyone that think they would be good people to be on the third wagon voting for me? is there any opinion on how many people if any ought try that .... Note we can only do that if it does not jeopardise the right lynches happening, or people being able to analyse the votes on the wagon. Aka we run the wagons if it gets boring as it becomes clear who's getting lynched we can try my shenanie. cost benfit of the plan. Basically if its free i say there is pro town value in some people voting for me at the end of the day. It seems i have fairly naff capabilities granted me by my PM. I also say there is some pro town value in people nominating themselves. As i didnt care about some scum voting for me, the question scum have to ask themselves before nominating themselves is .... do they feel lucky. Well do yah. (I make my own epic) | ||
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On September 03 2013 00:05 debears wrote: If we do decide on my super stylin plan, let me know within 7 hours or so. Put it this way clarity. 1) If I was mafia and geript was town, it would be stupid for me to even bring up my power. If a majority tell me to do it, and I don't, I'm claiming mafia. I wasn't really at threat of being lynched yet. Geript would be lynched eventually based on his day 1. 2) If we were both mafia, full retard move Bummer I was planning to sleep. | ||
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On September 03 2013 00:27 ShiaoPi wrote: can we lynch hiro? dude is scum ##Vote: HiroPro While i am glad that you think so would you care to indicate why you think that. | ||
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On September 03 2013 01:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Vote: Alakaslam Because why not? I am getting pretty tired but as i remember things because you have not and neither has anyone else on Alak explained why he did that as scum. Note my previous estimates of Alaks capabilities had to be lowered somewhat to get any possibility that as scum or town he would simply shuffle the items in a fit of pique because a town BH got lynched. But I haven't seen a suggestion I could understand how he or his scum team would have thought his actions were wise as a scum play. Not sold on Alak being a good lynch at all. | ||
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On September 03 2013 01:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 01:13 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 03 2013 01:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Vote: Alakaslam Because why not? I am getting pretty tired but as i remember things because you have not and neither has anyone else on Alak explained why he did that as scum. Note my previous estimates of Alaks capabilities had to be lowered somewhat to get any possibility that as scum or town he would simply shuffle the items in a fit of pique because a town BH got lynched. But I haven't seen a suggestion I could understand how he or his scum team would have thought his actions were wise as a scum play. Not sold on Alak being a good lynch at all. His actions make no sense as town. They make a lot of sense as scum. Why as scum would he mention the existence of the d6 instead of just using it anonymously? I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that town would not use it. Why ruin a town plan as town AND possibly let the d6 fall in scum hands. And the bit you say "I dont know" for is the bit I cant explain easily if hes scum. He had his last newbie recently... his claim (as town) in that was rather mind boggling. (not as much as this one) but if you read through the thread where I said it blew my mind.. I maybe see a towny alak realising ooops. Clar: Why ruin a town plan as town AND possibly let the d6 fall in scum hands. a fit of pique? It seemed epic and he didnt think it through... + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2013 23:47 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote: why even consider martyring yourself? I realized it would possibly ruin discussion, but I wanted to go with the majority consensus. Anyways there are a few reasons why. 1) It almost seems like my power was destined for this moment if he is indeed not a 1shot voterigger 2) It would be epic 3) I could post this context enriched video Being epic plays some part in some decisions On September 02 2013 18:33 Alakaslam wrote: Oh hey who had the broken bell thing, the shattered bell before me? You know how d6 was town. Only way we all get to use it? Can you confirm so only Koshi hate me plz thank you cya tomorrow if I can pry away from addicting adrenalin rush I know trying to see if thinking like that is possible hurts... but yeah TBMK a towny Alak might actually just make it go boom to see the bang... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + This post is not AT cheesecake. it is simply a suitable context. On September 03 2013 01:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 01:16 Onegu wrote: Post from Black Mesa Our claimed third party would like me to pass along the message that I've got following role on Shiao: He is Kanti, Lord of the Black Flames. Also there is a green check on shiao pi. Oh that's good. Questions: 1) How can I trust Black Mesa, and who claims this green check? 2) Providing this green check isn't fake, how do we know it wasn't fucked with at night? 3) There are people in this game that if they publicly claimed 'I have green check I am cop....' I would have to think very hard which of these was true A) not lying B) scum and lying(about having an alignment check). (but know the guys green) C) town and lying because green is their read, and they wish to hoodwink town That's the problem when townies start flat out lying about roles. It then dilutes the power of any and every future claim you make. As contrast, In this game of myself I have not told all there is to tell... the truth lies within the bounds of what I have said which is still as broad as I can make it. | ||
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On September 03 2013 08:01 kitaman27 wrote: I make this post in honor of VisceraEyes. VE is no stranger to death. In fact, he has a history of dieing five, ten, or even fifteen times in a single LoL game. But even so, he has always given his life for a better purpose. Sure, that purpose is usually to feed the enemy team, but isn't solving world hunger the most noble of causes? As teamliquid mafia's most experienced player, it is clear a little bit of each of us lives on through his play. VisceraEyes has managed to adopt prpl's ability to be mislynched, RoL's fits of rage, Coag's all cap tendencies, chenzinu's coherency, and BC's general ineptitude all into a single scum hunting machine. He even may have inherited a bit of Kita's good looks. All joking aside, VE left us far too early this game. As we gather in this time of mourning, I shall speak for him, for he cannot. Axle: tips hat. Skip: runs over and gives big wet puppy kiss/lick. | ||
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On September 03 2013 12:20 geript wrote: My voting power is currently -1. enjoy. Your ability to post and participate in finding scum does not need to be zero. | ||
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On September 03 2013 12:21 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote: Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. None of this actually makes me scum. but how did your actions benefit town? | ||
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On September 02 2013 13:24 Risen wrote: There's a lot of points being made about other people that apply equally to me. I find it interesting that cheesecake is the only one consistently pressuring me. I'd be very interested in the filters of those people who mention me off hand but don't follow through at all. @Risen So did you do anything with your interest? or did you On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote: Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote: Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard. Just turn up when the dust is pretty settled and say some stuff. that really doesn't let me see much about how your thinking. If you were scum and there was really a town player trolling that hard... that would be a very easy comment for scum to make. If you were scum and there was really a scum player who thought they were so 'caught scum' trolling that hard... that would be a very easy comment for scum to make. Can you think of anything to do that would give me confidence you are town? If geript is scum as you imply and the game is balanced, town is effectively at the first lynch they control.. so we could always try to lurker lynch you to see what happens. | ||
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On September 03 2013 14:12 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote: On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote: Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote: Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard. Man I wish that my vote counted for shit because now you're being too obtuse to be town. You can get over it. I'm way more invested in beating brutal and getting good at SC2 than playing this game. Hell I just scored a 72 at MP in bridge with my dad. Nothing about what I did wasted town's time. If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me. Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread. Prove it scum. Risen tunnel enabled. Geript: Nothing about what I did wasted town's time. Your time is (presumably you claim town) is towns time and your wasting it. Geript: If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me. You talk about town as if you are not part of it are you claiming scum AGAIN? But you intentionally playing to your scum meta... the wagon on you was so strong I couldn't find a viable alternative wagon... I spent my time trying to find such a viable alternative wagon, you(if you are town) wasted my time. You still are. Geript: Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread. Well one of the anyones who could go back read would be you (as you seem to imply you are town) So how would people progress the thread when one person who now claims to be town was single handedly ensuring there was only one viable wagon? Thus there is very little way to force scum to make decisions and take stances? Geript: Prove it Uh no... it is hardly ever proved someone is scum when they get lynched. There is just a preponderance of evidence. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 Here i highlighted a few bits.... Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence Being an obvious innocent is worth a lot more than being an active but confused poster. Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. The only evidence i can think of that you might be town.. is you are geript. is a role such as yours unbalanced if its scum. ( I have clear ideas how it might be a scum role) If activating your(scums) D1 vote rigging mandated the D2 double lynch... then apart from giving you the power to mess with town and get presumably 4 scum controlled kills D1, after a double town controlled lynch... we are back close to par. So there is nothing about your role that for me screams cant be scum. Your play however even apart from the D1 stuff up ... consists of entirely lurk. Not sure how much more proven it could be? We have two lynches today... I am happy for one lynch today to be geripts. Based on his play I find zero reason not to. So while I already have a vote on one wagon... ** want geript lynched (today not tomorrow) | ||
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On September 03 2013 14:42 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 14:22 Clarity_nl wrote: I want a third lynch. Alakaslam, Hassy, geript. Axle have you reconsidered alakaslam yet? Notice how he still hasn't done anything ever since koshi found out he was the one who used the d6. Feh. I return. Well sorry then. The professional hero understood. Sorry been gone good old Arizona. Lot of driving and work ad driving and "lol Labor Day? IDGAF son this is agriculture" and me saying "no I appreciate the extra pay". Uh yeah I told you all don't kill BH don't kill BH but no. Bonus he was companion cube Yes you told me that... but did I have any control over it... did most people have any control over that? Why mess with the items of all the people who dont have control over it? Did you just have a hissy fit? Stamp your feet and say I will show you and do the only thing you could? (shuffle the items?) Why did you do that if you knew at the time it would hurt town? | ||
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On September 03 2013 14:22 Clarity_nl wrote: I want a third lynch. Alakaslam, Hassy, geript. Axle have you reconsidered alakaslam yet? Notice how he still hasn't done anything ever since koshi found out he was the one who used the d6. I could go with 4.... The important bit will be to prioritise to two that will give us the most for tomorrow and flip red. I reconsider lots of things lots of the time. So yes. (as the default) Id like you to have look at this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19028339 it is post by alakaslam in newbie. it is a response to Onegu who was scum fake claiming, watcher who saw Alak visited by the (obv) town(nosy neigh). (onegu was a scum tracker who had tracked the towny) Alak sees this and claims tracker... (some one who visits but is not necessarily visted.) and concludes merrily they are now both confirmed town.... its a bit out there... Ok? it might just change your settings for just how likely Alak is to do stuff as town. (do note Alak playing scum... has always sacred me. because he then also has a plausibly large range of crap he can get away with but under the guidance of his team mates....) Was Alak shitty with his scum mates for lynching BH? So yeah, unless Alak pulls his head out of the sand and realises there were other townies playing this game and that he needs to do whatever is his best... Then as town or scum PM recipient given his play so far he is going to get lynched one day soon. FYI: Why am I cutting him slack and encouraging him to try (even though I don't know if he's town or scum...) because unless someone does. hammering him will certainly make him shut down. Also I actually make the time to try to reverse engineer his posts into thoughts and I have also read previous games of his. | ||
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On September 03 2013 16:26 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 10:39 kitaman27 wrote: Is it possible for slam's item switcher to impact Hassy's item? I assume not? No, "The D6" acts after everything else. I am still wanting to see Hassys response if any to Kitamans claim. Hassy may of course if he is scum choose to never respond which is effectively claiming scum. That for me would simplify the days lynch choices. | ||
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On September 03 2013 17:20 cakepie wrote: I've an uneasy feeling that geript could be just a disposable front man for the scum team. His IDGAF does not look like "upset" IDGAF, or "big play failed, give up" IDGAF, it looks more of a "fuck you all" IDGAF. D1 he claimed to have planned his scum playstle ahead of time, but BH bled blue, and instead of offering any explanation or trying to be more helpful, geript basically decides to publicly, explicitly, overtly give town the finger. His contribution appears limited to mentions of a few people he thinks are suspicious for various meta or setup specuatiion reasons, but it's mostly a re-hash of this list and it's not like he actually pushes anyone for anything. Instead, he (claims to) give us a double lynch, and stops caring because his voting power is apparently -1 for the day. I don't have good meta on him, but my gut feel is this is not simply he mad at things not going well -- seasoned players don't normally react like this. So, I see hardly any good reason for deliberate play like this for any reason, except as a joker (trying to get lynched) or as part of a scum gambit. Since it's rather unlikely that 3P can pull off all this crap by himself, I'm leaning toward the latter. Also recall that the possibility has been raised before that he might not even be the one truly responsible for the voterigging and/or the double lynch. Also, thinking about the double plurality lynch, I'm not sure it is entirely a good thing for town, because it is easy for town to mislynch (up to twice!) since there is no requirement for a majority. In the absence of information from D1, this is a bit scary. If I put my scum thinking hat on, it's really not a bad deal, gambling on possibly sacrificing one team member to help conceal other scumbuddies who hold powers, plus completely mess with the thread and voting patterns for two day phases. By screwing with the D1 lynch, scum sought to limit useful information. By making D2 double plurality lynch, scum put us in a lousy position -- even if geript takes a bunch of heat and we agree to lynch him, that would require us to commit a certain number of votes on him, and from there the danger of mislynching with the second noose is still high if we don't consolidate correctly. Hence he isn't even trolling, he is pretty much taunting when he states things like the D1 votes don't matter, or challenges us to lynch him with the double lynch. Does this sound reasonable or am I just being absurd and paranoid? Notwithstanding geript, do people agree that we need to be especially careful with the double lynch? You are being as absurd and paranoid as me if that is any help to you. (aka well actually not quite, without telling me cos it would be rude, judge how absurd and paranoid I look from the outside.... divide it by a number that you think of and thats you.) K. Not all the powers may be his or they may be causally joined... (vote rig causes D lynch) Perhaps wed have had no dlynch if he got vigged? (and they scum didnt get what they wanted and tried for...) perhaps he had solution for vig (hes vet?) and we either wasted a shot or no one took it or could(we had none). perhaps by giving geript that kind of control and Alak a randomiser button marked "Dont press this button" then we are getting the RNG game we or someone(Dandel loves RNG IIRC) deserves? maybe we are playing aperture and got what we each signed up for. | ||
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On September 03 2013 18:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Hassy something doesn't add up. When VE died noflip you said "damn, I guess he must have died to something that goes through protection", yet only now you're checking to make sure the action happened? Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 19:37 Hassybaby wrote: OK, lets see if I can do something badass tonight /roll 1d20 + 9 Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 04:26 Hassybaby wrote: On September 03 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 03 2013 01:16 Onegu wrote: Post from Black Mesa Our claimed third party would like me to pass along the message that I've got following role on Shiao: He is Kanti, Lord of the Black Flames. Also there is a green check on shiao pi. He is the person who is masoned with me, and I am leaning town on him now. The fact that THAT is role that (someboody?) has for him worries me immensely though... As far as VE, kita, it is one of the topics Shiao and I are discussing in QT. I thought it odd that he flipped black because I was wondering if that made him 3P when I thought he was town, but apparently that was recently cleared up. I still want to know exactly what Hassy thought his role was supposed to do. It bothers me that he hasn't done a great deal. It was supposed to save his life, but he was either double tapped, or the shot was unblockable, because I didnt roll high enough to block the unblockable. Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 17:38 Hassybaby wrote: Let me double check that my heal was registered as an action. I definitely wasn't roleblocked, or at least, I didn't get a message saying I was. How is your first instinct to think he was hit twice or a shot on him was unblockable, and then later you consider that your protection didn't happen? Apparently there is a good reason to think that you might not have sent in an action. So why wasn't that the first thing that came to mind when VE flipped? You said you didn't send your night action the traditional way? What does this mean? Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 17:50 Hassybaby wrote: On September 03 2013 17:45 Oatsmaster wrote: why wouldnt it register? Because I didnt exactly send my action in at night time in the traditional way. Even so, Grey's pretty on point with these matters, but I just want to tick that box You already said that your d20 roll in thread was fake for reactions right? So that's not it. Please explain how you sent in your night action. ##unvote: HiroPro ##vote: HassyBaby Hassybaby: if you are town please do do the best you can do as soon as you can do it. Hassybaby: if you are scum bye bye.... | ||
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If you read the thread between here and here. and try to establish two ideas. is there any possibility that if geript doesn't get lynched today he will play different tomorrow. OR might his voting power revert to what it was D1 and he can maybe derail a second lynch.... I am keen to lynch him again. alternatively Alakaslam to me appears to have reconsidered some stuff. (although I am a sucker some times) Earlier I posted link so you reevaluate how plausible Alak doing WTF is. Here is link to a later newbie game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19353082 although he doesn't follow up on it and at end game forgets about it... the post was right basically there is an actual chance Alak may play well enough to appear to be trying. Geript certainly could and certainly hasn't and seems intent to continue. | ||
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On September 03 2013 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is there a fuckton of votes on HiroPro? I don't think he's scum. In an absolute sense (hes not scum) or just compared to other current candidates? FYI: I left mine there to make sure he kept being motivated... I think it(him scum) less than I did. (odds on that being true are now lower) I could change my mind again tomorrow.. or later today if some how the other prime lynches fall over by new developments. | ||
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On September 03 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote: The problem is that he didn't play selfish. He played destructive. What about his actions was selfish? Axle: "So yeah, unless Alak pulls his head out of the sand and realises there were other townies playing this game and that he needs to do whatever is his best... Then as town or scum PM recipient given his play so far he is going to get lynched one day soon. " Not really considering that having hissy fit and rearranging the item effected everyone else who was town. Marry up the yes's in these two. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662521 (last 3 sentences of my post get 'yes' 'yes' and an explanation of sorts) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662559 I am not saying it wouldn't lynch the crap out of every other player on the forum with those actions and this answer. This is alakslam. | ||
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On September 03 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 19:51 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 03 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote: On September 03 2013 19:33 AxleGreaser wrote: Regarding the other Lynch.... If you read the thread between here and here. The problem is that he didn't play selfish. He played destructive. What about his actions was selfish? Axle: "So yeah, unless Alak pulls his head out of the sand and realises there were other townies playing this game and that he needs to do whatever is his best... Then as town or scum PM recipient given his play so far he is going to get lynched one day soon. " Not really considering that having hissy fit and rearranging the item effected everyone else who was town. Marry up the yes's in these two. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662521 (last 3 sentences of my post get 'yes' 'yes' and an explanation of sorts) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662559 I am not saying it wouldn't lynch the crap out of every other player on the forum with those actions and this answer. This is alakslam. Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 19:51 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 03 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote: On September 03 2013 19:33 AxleGreaser wrote: Regarding the other Lynch.... If you read the thread between here and here. The problem is that he didn't play selfish. He played destructive. What about his actions was selfish? Axle: "So yeah, unless Alak pulls his head out of the sand and realises there were other townies playing this game and that he needs to do whatever is his best... Then as town or scum PM recipient given his play so far he is going to get lynched one day soon. " Not really considering that having hissy fit and rearranging the item effected everyone else who was town. Marry up the yes's in these two. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662521 (last 3 sentences of my post get 'yes' 'yes' and an explanation of sorts) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662559 I am not saying it wouldn't lynch the crap out of every other player on the forum with those actions and this answer. This is alakslam. Again. What he did was destructive. Not selfish. Point me out to the excellent scumhunting he did today. Let me recap Alakaslam his actions: Day1. Talk nonsense and threaten town if his buddy BH dies, whos allignement he doesn't know. Night 1. Swaps around items. (This may or may not helped town in the end, but he didn't do it to help town) Day 2. Apologize & do nothing except give me a townread and vote for ShiaoPi who has a (questionable?) greencheck. I still don't understand this chronosphere thing he keeps talking about. It seems to be charging... He did jack shit. (on his best day he wont(I think cant) do a lot more), I am happy to lynch him tomorrow if we dont find another better. I prioritise geript today as today he claims to have negative vote power. Today we have a double lynch, [/b]plurality[b]... (plurality is a different kind of lynch I want to see if this kind kills him) if his role talks about a majority of people voting for him it may not work today... (that may even have been an unpleasant surprise) His role if scum must have an achillies heel, if it wasn't getting shot last night it better be the double lynch today IMO? I agree It(alaks shuffle) was destructive as a fact and as perceived from where you stand. it was also (if he is town) done by him as he didnt think about its effect on others. he either was actually pissed BH got lynched or chose to continue role playing that for his own amusement, without think of others. AKA selfish. Also why does it matter if he used the wrong word(selfish)? Does that not make it ring as truth and as made up stuff? PS the shuffle random shuffled all items IIRC. Did scum have any? are their plans ruined. There are fewer scum so I still think its net destructive. | ||
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I still don't understand this chronosphere thing he keeps talking about. It seems to be charging... When I googled it Chronosphere is in Red Alert, I have been told it moves stuff around in that game. My best guess it was just Alak being Alak and adding flavor for fun. | ||
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On September 03 2013 20:20 cakepie wrote: lol thanks that helped me lighten up a bit. More seriously do you agree that double lynch is actually a tricky situation? At the very least, this is not the time to be toying around with a repeat attempt at your shenanigans (which you suggested at some point earlier D2) -- if it is hard enough to find two clear consensus wagons, we might really need all the votes we can get where they matter -- lynching people rather than toying with powers. It certainly wouldn't be funny if you ended up getting mislynched (though that's rather unlikely). The downside is we might not get another chance to try your plan if we lose you tonight. Basically the plan as per yesterday is only worth it if the chances of messing with the lynch or information from it are quite low. There can be vote stealers (or something) that effect things anonymously, usually by small N votes. However if we reach some reasonable idea of what wagons are winning, then even with say a 3 vote gap between the second wagon and people voting me it would be very brave/dumb scum that vote swapped to kill me especially when they know I will flip town. As basically no one has pressured me in the thread they cant really pretend to be acting on their suspicions. If instead the wagons are under contention right up to the end, I wouldn't suggest trying to stop that. Cakepie: "(which you suggested at some point earlier D2)" I did and I am rather disappointed in some townies. I asked people to nominate themselves this time if on today (now we are missing BH and VE) they thought they fitted the roles of the people I chose yesterday. I thought some townies would go along with that and then scum would have to decide whether or not to risk saying they will go along with it.... at the risk my plan is say some kind thing that is bad for the scum who do it rather than good for the town or good for me. One part of the value of the plan is it forces such scum to make more decisions. Another part of the value is people like you can question the sanity of my plan.... and get towny points from me (and anyone else paying attention) when your queries ring true as legitimate concerns... | ||
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On September 03 2013 21:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Keep in mind that oats got mislynched in desert for similar reasons guys. And Cephiro, Oats isn't wrong. You've been shouting that he's scum but done not much else. I don't like his lynch today at all so please focus elsewhere and return to it later if you must. Everyone should be consolidating and placing their vote if they haven't yet. We're 11 hours away and ANYONE could be lynched with the amount of people who haven't voted. alakaslam, geript, randombum, OO and.... hassy I guess. Stick to those five, votes anywhere else are just useless. Everyone should be consolidating and placing their vote if they haven't yet. AND STATING WHY with like a real explanation.... Note "he totes scum, shit scum hunting all day LOL lol Vote...." | ||
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On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote: From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does anyone think it makes sense for Hassy to claim medic on a failed protect as town, even if my role doesn't do what I think it's supposed to do? I cant understand it. (cant understand Alaks actions in previous games nor this one... Does anyone have meta that Hassy is prone to just posting without thinking "is there a reason too...? or should I just tel the thread abotu my role for no reason?" | ||
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On September 04 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote: From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia? The question is. Is it more likely that "The D6" starts in scumhands or that scum has powerful roles to find+steal items. I am not hearing too many people complaining about their items and Alakaslam his shitty use of the D6. But Alakaslam his entire Day 2 is around defending himself for using that item. I think he is scum and knew he had to do that after using his item, and he was prepared to do so. A smart townie would defend himself but would also scumhunt. If I would be a silly scummer, I would use the item, and then think for the entire night on how I should defend myself, when it is day and I get flak I start defending myself. If I was a townie I would be looking for scum after my town buddy Blazinghand died to avenge him. I would try to nail geript to the cross, make sure he gets lynched. I would NOT use a silly item as retribution to teach everybody a lesson and ignore the scummer that killed my buddy. The only time he mentioned geript is scum is to defend himself against me because I accused Alakaslam that he knows that geript is town... tldr: Lynch Alakaslam. He is scum. Ok Koshi I believe you about the item, if >>>you<<< ever do something that daft I will lynch you with fire. Now back to the question of what Alak would do as town or scum... doesnt your argument need to be about whether Alak would do that? Or are you claiming you skill and playstyle is comparable to Alak? If you want to lynch him you need reasons to lynch him not reasons to lynch you if you did what he did... | ||
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On September 04 2013 05:57 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2013 05:42 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 04 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote: On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote: From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia? The question is. Is it more likely that "The D6" starts in scumhands or that scum has powerful roles to find+steal items. I am not hearing too many people complaining about their items and Alakaslam his shitty use of the D6. But Alakaslam his entire Day 2 is around defending himself for using that item. I think he is scum and knew he had to do that after using his item, and he was prepared to do so. A smart townie would defend himself but would also scumhunt. If I would be a silly scummer, I would use the item, and then think for the entire night on how I should defend myself, when it is day and I get flak I start defending myself. If I was a townie I would be looking for scum after my town buddy Blazinghand died to avenge him. I would try to nail geript to the cross, make sure he gets lynched. I would NOT use a silly item as retribution to teach everybody a lesson and ignore the scummer that killed my buddy. The only time he mentioned geript is scum is to defend himself against me because I accused Alakaslam that he knows that geript is town... tldr: Lynch Alakaslam. He is scum. Ok Koshi I believe you about the item, if >>>you<<< ever do something that daft I will lynch you with fire. Now back to the question of what Alak would do as town or scum... doesnt your argument need to be about whether Alak would do that? Or are you claiming you skill and playstyle is comparable to Alak? If you want to lynch him you need reasons to lynch him not reasons to lynch you if you did what he did... AxleGreaser, the only reason why you are not voting Alakaslam because he said sorry for trowing a hissyfitty. You keep saying that he did this as "bad town". Give me in percentages how you see Alakaslam: Scum: ...% Bad town: ...% Useful town: ...% Then give me the same percentages of 2 better candidates and I will sheep you? Which means I am sheeping Clarity because you aren't giving any reasons why people are scum. Read your fucking page 5 and tell me why you are defending Alakaslam like this? Yeah, better make that Bad town % really fucking high. Bad town: ...110% Useful town: ...-lots% Scum ... Lots-10. Koshi: you aren't giving any reasons why people are scum. Err... I thought I had hammered on geript (with reasons) about as hard as was reasonable without just being ridiculous. The hassy situation largely speaks for itself. he has claimed failed medic action on day post it kind of meh explained. he has after being caught with claimed action thats shown not to be true found out the ooops the action was never really communicated. I dont buy the story. I do buy the story that Alak did stuff(shuffle items) that was not due to rational town motivation and not due to rational scum motivation but just was Alak being Alak. Is Alak an any day of the week policy lynch... yep sure thing. I will lynch him any day we have nothing better to do. | ||
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On September 04 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2013 07:01 Alakaslam wrote: Ok. I am in really bad reception, but I could possibly be useful I hope. See, I am not wholly powerless, due to items- I can become a vet, and I say now that I will seriously try for the rest of the game and ask you guys before I do bullshit. Yeah, I suck at scum hunting but I can differentiate null and town. I can try to do elimination scum reads and whatnot, but for now that is what I can do. So can I give you some townreads and nulls? Clarity and cheesecake, cakepie and Koshi, Oatsmaster maybe, pretty sure Raynepelikoneet is. ShiaoPi has not said much, could be blending in, but green check, so null because could be Gf or reverse framed or whatnot. Risen looks ok, I'd say null. Hiropro is totally null. Geript null to scummy, he has my vote a I'm legitimately buttz about him killing Blazinghand. Coagulation replaced in and should be given time to speak before I give him anything better than null, lookin' forwar to his comments on my buttz level xD If I don't remember you here, you are not standing out in any way and are therefore worthy of my light FoS. I think Yamato is in this game, isn't he? He is always easy to read for other people when scum so I will let you all see to that Oh yeah Kita too. I think Kita is so so. And Marvellosity I totes scum this game. + Show Spoiler + Made you think I got confused again didn't I? Hehe ;D Woah. That was like completely useless. Yeah, I don't mind you being the other one to be lynched. Please clarify do you wish to policy lynch Alak or are you saying it gave you scum vibes? | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:23 Felkyr wrote: Ok, I'll have to do this quick. First, I think I should say why I do not vote on Hiro anymore: + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2013 19:37 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is there a fuckton of votes on HiroPro? I don't think he's scum. In an absolute sense (hes not scum) or just compared to other current candidates? FYI: I left mine there to make sure he kept being motivated... I think it(him scum) less than I did. (odds on that being true are now lower) I could change my mind again tomorrow.. or later today if some how the other prime lynches fall over by new developments. This. I am alright with the Slam lynch (reasons are clear enough I think). I'm still not sure about geript... However, I actually do not feel good about lynching Hassy. For several things posted before, he could very well be town to me. But, if I look at people who vote for geript versus those who vote on Hassy, Hassy has much more people on him who I consider townie and who have more or less my respect (people who I would sheep is, I think, the correct term). If geript is speaking the truth about his -1 vote, he might rig the voting again. Geript/Slam is my preferred lynch atm, UNLESS we can decide on someone else instead of geript. Oats or Risen? Not going to happen I suppose... Or can someone clearly summarize for me why I should vote Hassy? (Oats didn't vote yet?) As you seem unsure let me show this fact. Felhyr: If geript is speaking the truth about his -1 vote, he might rig the voting again. from the vote thread. Crossfire99: Hassybaby (6): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, Felkyr, debears, geript 8 voters total is 6.... seems like that bits true. I dont know either quite what you meant or which conclusion you claim it drives you to... but I do want to be sure you cant claim after the lynch you didnt know... | ||
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On September 04 2013 10:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Didn't fate have to be +5 for ve to kill the person with circle? Meh, it's 3 am I'm gonna go to bed. Vote analysis coming but I stand by the fact that a vast majority of people on slam are likely town. I dunno why hiro is calling slam town, if you have a check you should share it hiro. you do blue hunt rather a lot... | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2013 09:53 cakepie wrote: On September 04 2013 09:52 Risen wrote: Vayne why did you send in the action to change fate? He did it to keep Hassy's ghost around. Ironically, Hassy wouldn't have died if he didn't do that. ... yeah. No way scum would know this though. 100% town move from vayne. I am curious in what way does hassy being unflipped but able to post help town... tonight. True he(hassy) has more time to interactively post whatever information or reads he has but now that the power is used its gone. There could easily have been a more important time to use it later. | ||
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On September 04 2013 11:12 VayneAuthority wrote: because I said it wasn't useful anymore with people suspecting me einstein. this guy is a moron LOL. don't even bother rayn and were you telling the truth when you said it wasn't? might someone blue hunting want to try and test that by seeing if you would claim it? mirror | ||
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On September 04 2013 11:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Guys, I'm stupid and you should probably ignore me (lol). Fate should be at 1, not 2. It was right the first time. Carry on for real this time because it is 100% correct this time. Promise. I believe you, promise. | ||
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On September 04 2013 10:59 VayneAuthority wrote: ill just sit back and watch as cephiro gets himself killed tomorrow, should be enjoyable And do you care whether or not he got a town PM? | ||
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On September 04 2013 21:19 Hassybaby wrote: I'm here Koshi, lets have a chat because that's all I can do I can be here too what do you want to talk about as you have limited time. | ||
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On September 04 2013 21:29 Koshi wrote: Can you just name your top scumreads Hassy? I think that is all that we need. I'd also like a bit of why. As if its simply list and you flip town... all we know is that is one townies view I already have one townies view ... mine. | ||
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IME the person in the wagon (you) has a unique perspective. BTW Hassybaby (8): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, Felkyr, debears, geript, HiroPro I was one of the ones voting for you as i thought you more likely ot flip scum than Alak, but for the pruposes here I assume your town K. | ||
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On September 04 2013 22:13 Hassybaby wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2013 21:36 AxleGreaser wrote: A different question you are in unique position to answer is about the people getting on your wagon without real cause(scummily) or commenting (flinging shit) then never following through. IME the person in the wagon (you) has a unique perspective. BTW Hassybaby (8): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, Felkyr, debears, geript, HiroPro I was one of the ones voting for you as i thought you more likely ot flip scum than Alak, but for the pruposes here I assume your town K. Lets do this one, because there was a lot of shit throwing at the end, and there'll probably be some information there. You know how I feel about kita, so leaving that there. S&B's posting timing seems off after this last one. Throughout the game, he's posted something at about 5am TL time, and then something else within 3-4 hours. He didn't do it during one of the most important parts oft he entire game? Or anything after it? I don't like that. I've mentioned Felkyr before, but his last post reinforces it for me: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 08:23 Felkyr wrote: Ok, I'll have to do this quick. First, I think I should say why I do not vote on Hiro anymore: + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2013 19:37 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is there a fuckton of votes on HiroPro? I don't think he's scum. In an absolute sense (hes not scum) or just compared to other current candidates? FYI: I left mine there to make sure he kept being motivated... I think it(him scum) less than I did. (odds on that being true are now lower) I could change my mind again tomorrow.. or later today if some how the other prime lynches fall over by new developments. This. I am alright with the Slam lynch (reasons are clear enough I think). I'm still not sure about geript... However, I actually do not feel good about lynching Hassy. For several things posted before, he could very well be town to me. But, if I look at people who vote for geript versus those who vote on Hassy, Hassy has much more people on him who I consider townie and who have more or less my respect (people who I would sheep is, I think, the correct term). If geript is speaking the truth about his -1 vote, he might rig the voting again. Geript/Slam is my preferred lynch atm, UNLESS we can decide on someone else instead of geript. Oats or Risen? Not going to happen I suppose... Or can someone clearly summarize for me why I should vote Hassy? (Oats didn't vote yet?) He personally isn't OK with it, but leaves his vote on me because of sheeping...this feels to me like he's setting up for a "god I knew hassy was town" move when I flip. Felkyr's a good option for a lynching. Don't have to talk about geript Coag's said like....3 lines since he came in. Can't say a thing about him till he posts more, and he needs to be added to the front page so we can click his filter please I'll cover the last 3 after I make sure my house isn't burning down from my lunch Question: Felkyr is a 33 total post player. yeah the bolded bit is bad, is bad because hes scummy or new? + Show Spoiler + Is this the previous felkyr? On September 04 2013 08:33 Hassybaby wrote: Np, we're martyring for each other. After my flip, DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER GOING AFTER KITA. Everything he's done is logical and has good basis behind it, plus his responses are intelligent. Instead, have a look at people who either a) defended me instantly without me giving much of an explanation (way too easy towncred when i flip) like Oats, or those who totally took out the possibility that I fucked up. Also look at Felkyr. Placing a vote "(to even out the distribution between three largest picks"? Really? That's fully setting up for a mislynch | ||
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On September 05 2013 10:40 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote: On September 05 2013 10:36 debears wrote: On September 05 2013 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: On September 05 2013 10:15 debears wrote: ##Vote Austincc Nuff said Basically I don't feel like enough has been said on the matter. That you do indicates that you're not interested in discourse or trying to discern anything about the game. That's the scum-mindset pal. Townies wanna try and figure each other out - they do so by asking questions, or by screaming at others until they get their way. Townies aren't afraid to say more on the matter. You are. Basically. Eh. I have gone through approx 60 pages of the thread. There are 150. I'm catching up slowly and surely to make sure I end the game with an awesome catch. I'm a tortoise VE you gotta let me fly on this one! That's not what the post I quoted said. The post I quoted said you've found scum and are so sure in it's accuracy that no further discussion is required on the matter. Is that not what the post I quoted said? I could have sworn it did........ It's curious that you are interpreting my words with such strictness that you are twisting the meaning behind them. Nuff said does not mean "i have nothing more to say on the matter". It's just a saying. So I looked up the saying an what it means when untwisted. + Show Spoiler + What people write when they don't actually have anything important to say OR they believe their argument is superior (but can't prove it). Either way it is an easy way out and a lazy move. People use it to bluff others by pretending like there is much more to say, when in reality they can't think of anything to add that is important or useful. Mostly used by people who desperately want to feel superior, but lack the actual supporting information to be superior in an argument (or even contribute). When you say "nuff said" you are letting people know that you are not able to have a normal conversation, and cannot accept anything against what you believe. Do you want to choose which of those subtly different meanings you meant? | ||
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On September 05 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Only that I'm immune from lynch today. Anyway, it doesn't matter to me what you meant by your "Nuff said". All I know is that you said it after placing a vote. Townies will take what they will from that. I've said my piece on what I took from it. *shrug* I wouldn't bet everything on that... Given the Flipped lynching record so far we appear able to lynch anyone. However i had been considering your position and wondering if you would even post at all as you might perceive town might under no conditions lynch you and then by never posting scum might never kill you for an auto win... That seemed odd from a balance perspective, but then maybe you getting possibly flipped at death wasn't part of the balance design. Anyway while thinking of Axle(NoTheoryTooBatShitCrazyToBeConsidered)Theories I think I thought of a possible setup speculation where town might oneday want to lynch you. :O + Show Spoiler + Hey if I can in previous games want to lynch hosts and kenpachi(who wasnt in the game..) why not a modconfirmed non anti town player... The good news is so far ... you seem to be doing just right ... just helpful enough to town (poking stuff) and not scary enough to scum. HTH HAND. (No really HTH) | ||
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On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote: [center][big]Day 3 randombum, Cephiro, Mr. Cheesecake, HiroPro, WaveofShadow, Onegu, and MrZentor have all been transported to the past! They will all be playing in Closed Casket Mafia! Parallel mafia rules now apply for this day. Hassybaby, as A.T.L.A.S., has left the game Oatsmaster, as Kenpachi, has died! Kitaman27, The Speaker for the Dead, has died! strongandbig, the Delver of the Infinite, has died! Koshi, as Cave Johnson, has died! VayneAuthority, The Cocoon of Destiny, has died! [blue]with 14 alive in this game, it takes 8 to lynch! the day will end in FYI: Lynch targets probably in this thread. 1. raynpelikoneet 10. Stutters695 12. cakepie 14. mkfuba07 ([*] Coagulation Filter ) 15. Alakaslam 16. austinmcc 17. debears 18. Clarity_nl 19. Risen 22. ShiaoPi 23. Felkyr 27. ObviousOne 30. AxleGreaser Special? 26. VisceraEyes Died Night 1, and was resurrected Day 2 ?? HiroPro (neither 29 nor Hiro was on the OPs Flip list when i looked...? Truth or error please?) 3. MrZentor (Casket) 4. Cephiro (Casket) 5. strongandbig (Casket) 11. WaveofShadow (Casket) 24. Onegu (Casket) 25. randombum (Casket) 31. Mr. Cheesecake(Casket) Did I miss anyone? | ||
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On September 05 2013 11:24 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote: [center][big]Day 3 randombum, Cephiro, Mr. Cheesecake, HiroPro, WaveofShadow, Onegu, and MrZentor have all been transported to the past! They will all be playing in Closed Casket Mafia! Parallel mafia rules now apply for this day. Hassybaby, as A.T.L.A.S., has left the game Oatsmaster, as Kenpachi, has died! Kitaman27, The Speaker for the Dead, has died! strongandbig, the Delver of the Infinite, has died! Koshi, as Cave Johnson, has died! VayneAuthority, The Cocoon of Destiny, has died! [blue]with 14 alive in this game, it takes 8 to lynch! the day will end in FYI: Lynch targets probably in this thread. 1. raynpelikoneet 10. Stutters695 12. cakepie 14. mkfuba07 ([*] Coagulation Filter ) 15. Alakaslam 16. austinmcc 17. debears 18. Clarity_nl 19. Risen 22. ShiaoPi 23. Felkyr 27. ObviousOne 30. AxleGreaser Special? 26. VisceraEyes Died Night 1, and was resurrected Day 2 3. MrZentor (Casket) 4. Cephiro (Casket) 11. WaveofShadow (Casket) 24. Onegu (Casket) 25. randombum (Casket) 31. Mr. Cheesecake(Casket) ?? HiroPro (Casket) (neither 29 nor Hiro was on the OPs Flip list when i looked...? Truth or error please?) Did I miss anyone? | ||
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On September 05 2013 12:35 Alakaslam wrote: Ok this is borderline spam I will stop until someone else says stuff What you need is purpose in your posting. Not just reacting. On September 05 2013 12:21 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 12:16 Stutters695 wrote: Alright a couple things of note from BM/affecting me in general. The cop check on ShiaoPi wasn't a 1 shot, they lied in case there was scum in BM. 2. There is a sleeper cell in this game. He added me night 1 and asked me to shoot "bunny". I assumed that Austin was the sleeper after that picture and attempted to shoot Ala. Either he was proted or Austin is not the 3p. Take that how you will. IT WAS YOUUUUUUUUUU WHY he stated things do you have an actual question you want answered? Do you think it makes him more or less likely to be scum? Play the game....! Try and work things out and understand what is going on. or you will get lynched this game and in lots of others ... | ||
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On September 05 2013 13:25 cakepie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 12:16 Stutters695 wrote: 2. There is a sleeper cell in this game. He added me night 1 and asked me to shoot "bunny". I assumed that Austin was the sleeper after that picture and attempted to shoot Ala. Either he was proted or Austin is not the 3p. Show nested quote + On September 02 2013 18:33 Alakaslam wrote: Oh hey who had the broken bell thing, the shattered bell before me? You know how d6 was town. Only way we all get to use it? Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: oh yeah I had the shattered bell which makes you vet for a cycle and you cant use it more than once. 4 charges and I didnt use it. do you have point? | ||
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On September 05 2013 12:16 Stutters695 wrote: Alright a couple things of note from BM/affecting me in general. The cop check on ShiaoPi wasn't a 1 shot, they lied in case there was scum in BM. 2. There is a sleeper cell in this game. He added me night 1 and asked me to shoot "bunny". I assumed that Austin was the sleeper after that picture and attempted to shoot Ala. Either he was proted or Austin is not the 3p. Take that how you will. I didnt read the game sleeper cell. What does you being added do... and why did you do what some random asked you to? | ||
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On September 05 2013 12:16 Stutters695 wrote: Alright a couple things of note from BM/affecting me in general. The cop check on ShiaoPi wasn't a 1 shot, they lied in case there was scum in BM. 2. There is a sleeper cell in this game. He added me night 1 and asked me to shoot "bunny". I assumed that Austin was the sleeper after that picture and attempted to shoot Ala. Either he was proted or Austin is not the 3p. Take that how you will. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13165137 WAT? yeah seriously hilarious... | ||
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On September 05 2013 13:48 Risen wrote: This game has become hilariously twisted. do you have something to add towards finding the best lynch? yesterday you were Alak and either of the others ... where are you today in your views? | ||
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On September 05 2013 13:52 cakepie wrote: I'm mostly incredibly befuddled by why anyone would try to shoot alakaslam knowing the item he has. Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 13:48 AxleGreaser wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13165137 WAT? yeah seriously hilarious... I think more like http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210416 because there is apparently a leader So Stutters has claimed scum? Sleeper Agent Stutters are you here? | ||
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On September 05 2013 15:35 Stutters695 wrote: Don't be retarded. There was another game with a 3p sleeper I got added to(can't remember which one, phone posting and almost bed time so you'd have to check, but it works almost or identically to that(can't remember if it changed my win con, this one doesn't). He recruited me, he knows who I am, I don't know him (assuming Austin now tbh). He can send a message at the start of the night and we vote on who to shoot.If we agree, we fire 1kp at them. If he's a compulsive recruiter tomorrow night we vote with 3 and all have to agree, etc. Ala was my vig of choice and I missed the part of him being immune since I haven't been super active. I am advanced... sorry if that looks different from where you are standing. (really?) (do note I didnt vote for you...) @EVERYONE So might I suggest that tonight you (voting) guys shoot anyone you like who doesn't post enough today... You should be spoiled for choice. (alaks vet status will probably apply tonight as well.) It would be nice if they also looked scummy, but for me at this point pretty much anyone not posting enough looks scummy. | ||
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This is the entire contents of your filter... On September 04 2013 03:27 Coagulation wrote: theres a ton of shit getting thrown around in the last couple pages and im gonna be honest Im not really 100% caught up yet but I think alakaslam needs policy lynched. geript is fine as well. Isnt he a vote manipulater or something? thats pretty commonly mafia aligned. + Show Spoiler [quips] + On September 05 2013 09:46 Coagulation wrote: what the fuck On September 05 2013 02:28 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: oh lol Coag replaced him right? Yeah Ill kill him too. your not my favorite master anymore. On September 03 2013 04:08 Coagulation wrote: Shit 110 pages Someone fill me in real quick I hate mafia On September 05 2013 02:39 Coagulation wrote: is there a caught up but still useless anyway option? Apparently now there is that option. Is there any chance that if you are town you could try to do enough not to get vig shot? | ||
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On September 05 2013 11:25 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Only that I'm immune from lynch today. Anyway, it doesn't matter to me what you meant by your "Nuff said". All I know is that you said it after placing a vote. Townies will take what they will from that. I've said my piece on what I took from it. *shrug* I'm surprised you are giving up on actually asking me why I read austin the way I do. Would you care to comment more now? | ||
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On September 05 2013 18:24 cakepie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 16:58 AxleGreaser wrote: So might I suggest that tonight you (voting) guys shoot anyone you like who doesn't post enough today... You should be spoiled for choice. (alaks vet status will probably apply tonight as well.) Alakaslam won't be able to vet again because [QUiOTE]On September 03 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: oh yeah I had the shattered bell which makes you vet for a cycle and you cant use it more than once. 4 charges and I didnt use it. [\QUOTE] Ta I forgot. | ||
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On September 05 2013 17:38 AxleGreaser wrote: @Coag This is the entire contents of your filter... Show nested quote + On September 04 2013 03:27 Coagulation wrote: theres a ton of shit getting thrown around in the last couple pages and im gonna be honest Im not really 100% caught up yet but I think alakaslam needs policy lynched. geript is fine as well. Isnt he a vote manipulater or something? thats pretty commonly mafia aligned. + Show Spoiler [quips] + On September 05 2013 09:46 Coagulation wrote: what the fuck On September 05 2013 02:28 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: oh lol Coag replaced him right? Yeah Ill kill him too. your not my favorite master anymore. On September 03 2013 04:08 Coagulation wrote: Shit 110 pages Someone fill me in real quick I hate mafia Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 02:39 Coagulation wrote: is there a caught up but still useless anyway option? Apparently now there is that option. Is there any chance that if you are town you could try to do enough not to get vig shot? or Lynched. ##vote: Coagulation | ||
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On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. | ||
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On September 05 2013 20:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote: On September 05 2013 11:25 debears wrote: On September 05 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Only that I'm immune from lynch today. Anyway, it doesn't matter to me what you meant by your "Nuff said". All I know is that you said it after placing a vote. Townies will take what they will from that. I've said my piece on what I took from it. *shrug* I'm surprised you are giving up on actually asking me why I read austin the way I do. I don't have to - you already explained it in enough detail for me to get a read on you. VE, although I'm going to take your answer with a huge saltlick since you're probably playing for a scum victory at this point, what read did you get on debears from your interaction? As for the cell.... I'm having a hard time seeing why scum austin would be so open about it. Like apparently he was anonymous and he just told stutters stuff about bunnies and then posted a giant bunny in thread? Scum has no reason to put themselves out there like that. Need more info, austin. What's your wincon, are you a compulsive recruiter, if so who is your 2nd recruit?? People mentioning the vet bell slam had but I completely missed that as well to be honest. One more thing, a troubling thought after reading WoS's post... Why didn't I die last night? The only two explanations are I got protected or I'm apparently wrong in my reads. I dunno how many more mislynches we have left but if I got protected the person who did should consider claiming... At the very least there's no way scum would let me live if I was right about slam. From our point of view there is the obvious implied third option... re you They let me live which i would have thought been the easiest way to get Alak lynched if he was town. I suspect Scum are rather complacent actually. They are a lot of kills in and so far dont appear to have done much to get there. WIFOM like that never works. You cant guess their state of mind priorities powers ... or. I try not to draw conclusion from things scum are confirmed to say or do. (aka Nks) | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: What did you do to Kitanam last night? he appears not to know? ##unvote: Coagulation ##vote: Alakslam | ||
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On September 06 2013 04:08 austinmcc wrote: Like, that's a silly claim from Onegu if it's not truthful, although slam claims not to have visited kita. So I dunno why he just claims out of nowhere with a multi-person check if it isn't real. If he saw those guys visit, and someone killed kita, then either scum DID frame someone, and alakaslam would make a solid target, or one of them delivered the kill. And even if alakaslam was framed, he's claimed to have visited ShiaoPi and rbed him out of the blue, and ShiaoPi claims the block. You think slam is town, so you think....he rbed Shiao for a reason? Or ... Shiao is scum and alakaslam is lying for fun and Shiao confirms it even though now he knows he's lying and someone knows? Yo Austin. (or anyone else that thinks about stuff.) Note I am not sure these are questions to be answered in the thread, that is your decision. I have question I don't understand. (note normally when I ask questions in some sense I do... this is just WTF.) Ok. So I am up to about this post of yours in the thread. [redacted] I just remembered why i went to bed... and Cheesecake still has not responded in the other thread. and i wont be sounding out thread sentiment for any reason he cares to offer? | ||
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On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam ##vote: ObviousOne yeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? | ||
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On September 06 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote: Axle...eh? I was actually writing that post wrote a whole bunch of questions and thinking in the redacted section... then realised I was sounding out the ground for Cheesecake. Cheescake needs to explain himself in the other thread. I then also realised your post had prompted me to think. I thought it might be good to flag that you ought stop too. | ||
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On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam ##vote: ObviousOne yeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. | ||
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On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam ##vote: ObviousOne yeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI:] + BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos" Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " | ||
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On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam ##vote: ObviousOne yeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI + BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos" Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer? Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? | ||
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On September 06 2013 12:13 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2013 12:12 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam ##vote: ObviousOne yeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI + BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos" Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer? Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not retarded. I refuse to respond to that post.... it presents a false dichotmy wher you argue he is not retarded backing me intoa corner where if I oppose you I am claiming he is. I didnt. I will reword it for you. ObviousOne: Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not likely to make that large an error. I assert he is. I earlier posted this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662586 which contained this link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19028339 which is link To Alak doing stuff just as out there... On September 03 2013 15:19 AxleGreaser wrote: it is a response to Onegu who was scum fake claiming, watcher who saw Alak visited by the (obv) town(nosy neigh). (onegu was a scum tracker who had tracked the towny) Alak sees this and claims tracker... (some one who visits but is not necessarily visted.) and concludes merrily they are now both confirmed town.... its a bit out there... Ok? it might just change your settings for just how likely Alak is to do stuff as town. | ||
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Cheesecake has still not responded to why he visited Kita? | ||
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EBWOP to non existent post... (aka the edit is it ought exist...) oops in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19685659 I voted for OO at 10:13. That would have it after Risens vote post and before OOs vote for Debears. ##Unvote ##Vote ObviousOne | ||
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On September 06 2013 12:43 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2013 12:30 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 12:13 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 12:12 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote: [quote] @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam ##vote: ObviousOne yeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI + BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos" Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer? Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not retarded. I refuse to respond to that post.... it presents a false dichotmy wher you argue he is not retarded backing me intoa corner where if I oppose you I am claiming he is. I didnt. I will reword it for you. ObviousOne: Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not likely to make that large an error. I assert he is. I earlier posted this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662586 which contained this link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19028339 which is link To Alak doing stuff just as out there... On September 03 2013 15:19 AxleGreaser wrote: it is a response to Onegu who was scum fake claiming, watcher who saw Alak visited by the (obv) town(nosy neigh). (onegu was a scum tracker who had tracked the towny) Alak sees this and claims tracker... (some one who visits but is not necessarily visted.) and concludes merrily they are now both confirmed town.... its a bit out there... Ok? it might just change your settings for just how likely Alak is to do stuff as town. We're having a massive communication fail because I don't see an actual question here. If I'm understanding this right, you and I are on opposites sides of the fence when it comes to his use of the randomizer or whatever it was called. Is that correct? And that you also disagree that my subjective view on the other points also don't point to him being town. I'm not sure what I'm arguing against here, if anything. No I am quite sure using the randomiser was not pro town thing to do. I posted links to previous occasions where Alak has not thought stuff through at all. You are effectively claiming Alak was fully cognisant of the effects of the randomiser and chose to do them anyway. (aka scum motivated action.) A watcher watched him be visited so he claimed tracker and concluded they were now both confirmed town. However as Debears called the duel... which is not pro town thing to do (IMO...) he really ought now do some talking. | ||
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On September 06 2013 13:01 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're both town this is an unfathomable mistake. Unforgivable. Both of who? | ||
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I know who id be referring to ... | ||
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On September 06 2013 13:00 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2013 12:43 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 12:30 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 12:13 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 12:12 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote: On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote: [quote] Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI + BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos" Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer? Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not retarded. I refuse to respond to that post.... it presents a false dichotmy wher you argue he is not retarded backing me intoa corner where if I oppose you I am claiming he is. I didnt. I will reword it for you. ObviousOne: Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not likely to make that large an error. I assert he is. I earlier posted this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662586 which contained this link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19028339 which is link To Alak doing stuff just as out there... On September 03 2013 15:19 AxleGreaser wrote: it is a response to Onegu who was scum fake claiming, watcher who saw Alak visited by the (obv) town(nosy neigh). (onegu was a scum tracker who had tracked the towny) Alak sees this and claims tracker... (some one who visits but is not necessarily visted.) and concludes merrily they are now both confirmed town.... its a bit out there... Ok? it might just change your settings for just how likely Alak is to do stuff as town. We're having a massive communication fail because I don't see an actual question here. If I'm understanding this right, you and I are on opposites sides of the fence when it comes to his use of the randomizer or whatever it was called. Is that correct? And that you also disagree that my subjective view on the other points also don't point to him being town. I'm not sure what I'm arguing against here, if anything. No I am quite sure using the randomiser was not pro town thing to do. I posted links to previous occasions where Alak has not thought stuff through at all. You are effectively claiming Alak was fully cognisant of the effects of the randomiser and chose to do them anyway. (aka scum motivated action.) In the NEWBIE linked to A watcher watched him be visited so he claimed tracker and concluded they were now both confirmed town. However as Debears called the duel... which is not pro town thing to do (IMO...) he really ought now do some talking. | ||
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On September 06 2013 14:28 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2013 14:22 Risen wrote: OO is the lynch now. The fact that there's a 24 hour delay on his power and no 24 hour or beginning of day restriction on debears power is absurd, but we have to deal with it. If debears lives past 24 hrs OO was lying. If he dies well lets not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. I don't have to be alive for it to go down. It's not "24 hours" it's end-of-day-tomorrow-death. My shit is legit. He's terminally dead. Fin. Kaput. Hasta la fucking vista. Yippie ki yay, motherfucker. End of which Day? (RL day, game Day?) The next end of Game day post is Night 3... is that when you say he will die? or is it later than that? | ||
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On September 06 2013 19:05 Clarity_nl wrote: Fuck, I dunno. debears please explain how you're so certain. It seems to me like you used your ability because you were the main lynch candidate after slam banned himself. I guess townies AND scum can do that, but town have to be pretty certain about their read whereas scum do not. OO's shot boggles my mind, why not see who is getting lynched before using your shot? If we end up lynching debears now the shot is wasted. Can you explain OO? @Debears So far Debears I dont see you being so certain about your read.... So far I dont see the days lynch discussion getting any better than it would have been if you didnt use your power.... A significant part of any case made against Alakaslam was that he used his power in a way that hurt town. Please explain how town is better off because you used nirvana strike. On September 06 2013 12:09 debears wrote: You guys will need it after I'm done with OO. Gonna get messy ALso when is this messy coming? are you done with him yet? | ||
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How is the lynch going? Are we getting anything pro town out of it? (apart from a result good or not) I got up have not read all of the thread. I am trying to decide between weighing in and not. Anyone want to suggest whether I do. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:47 austinmcc wrote: Onegu, WoS, and Zentor, would like to see what you guys think about this whole deal. Yeah me too.... | ||
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On September 07 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Ofcourse you should weigh in Axle.... Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 06:27 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here on and off. You guys think OO is town? I'm on the fence about both of them but I just can't reconcile why he would shoot when he did. I don't really understand it either but the shot makes no sense from either alignment. Just scratch it off as an emotional response I guess. Cool. So what the hell are people Lynching debears for? yeah I really wanted to see what happened with his nirvana strike and after the lynch if he doesn't die to a day vig I will reconsider whether he got any town cred at all and simply made a god awful play or not. OO however.... OMG what a way to throw a game as town? he is in duel has day vig power.... What to do what to do... I know YOLO Debears.. except it only happens after the lynch. OO as certain fact if town, decided he was so certain he would lose a duel with Debears that he used his power to make even more certain we would lynch him.... If OO was alive and claimed and said to town "I am day vig... I guess I am stuck in duel with Debears... I am certain I am town... I was a bit certain Debears was... but now you guys have to lynch one of us . So as not to risk wasting my power treat today as double lynch and I will vig shoot anyone town tells me too via a ssecond vote in this thread...)" If he even tried to milk his day vig in anyway at all.... for information. Nope he YOLO'd and peace out. Lynch him.... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 07 2013 06:53 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Ofcourse you should weigh in Axle.... On September 07 2013 06:27 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here on and off. You guys think OO is town? I'm on the fence about both of them but I just can't reconcile why he would shoot when he did. I don't really understand it either but the shot makes no sense from either alignment. Just scratch it off as an emotional response I guess. Cool. So what the hell are people Lynching debears for? yeah I really wanted to see what happened with his nirvana strike and after the lynch if he doesn't die to a day vig I will reconsider whether he got any town cred at all and simply made a god awful play or not. OO however.... OMG what a way to throw a game as town? he is in duel has day vig power.... What to do what to do... I know YOLO Debears.. except it only happens after the lynch. OO as certain fact if town, decided he was so certain he would lose a duel with Debears that he used his power to make even more certain we would lynch him.... If OO was alive and claimed and said to town "I am day vig... I guess I am stuck in duel with Debears... I am certain I am town... I was a bit certain Debears was... but now you guys have to lynch one of us . So as not to risk wasting my power treat today as double lynch and I will vig shoot anyone town tells me too via a ssecond vote in this thread...)" If he even tried to milk his day vig in anyway at all.... for information. Nope he YOLO'd and peace out. Lynch him.... Sorry Lynch him.... (OO) and when the day vig doesn't happen Lynch Debears tomorrow. | ||
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Is he certain he is going to lose the duel? If he is not then he could well just have wasted the shot. There is no plausible town reason to shoot Debears as town... when Its debars vs you in a lynch. To do it as part of your own defence, when the veracity of it is not even known until after the flip... is unfathomable and has no plausible town explanation. OO is scum lynch him. | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:02 cakepie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 06:54 AxleGreaser wrote: Lynch him.... (OO) and when the day vig doesn't happen Lynch Debears tomorrow. The problem with this is that OO's delayed dayvig will kick in at D4 flip if I understand things correctly. Do we seriously wait until D5 to lynch debears? Can we actually last until then? Not deciding tommorows lynch today... just making sure town does not get tunnelled that if OO flips scum that makes debears more towny just because... | ||
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On September 07 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Ofcourse you should weigh in Axle.... Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 06:27 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here on and off. You guys think OO is town? I'm on the fence about both of them but I just can't reconcile why he would shoot when he did. I don't really understand it either but the shot makes no sense from either alignment. Just scratch it off as an emotional response I guess. Really? Scratch it off as an emotional response? With people who have a meta as such (emotional ill considered actions) maybe... (which is why theyd be potential policy lynches) Surely OO can play, could have thought through his action? There are ways it can make sense as scum... Almost anything can as scum... How does it hurt scum to do that? (fake claim a day vig shot?) | ||
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On September 07 2013 06:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 06:37 Risen wrote: On September 07 2013 06:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Risen saying there's 5 people that claimed scum (and OO and debears are both scum) Am I understanding you right? I'm saying everyone who is present and has read the thread and my post outlining the double scum bus and still holds their vote on debears is scum. So yeah, if you understand what I'm saying in my bolded post and have read the thread and still choose to vote debears you're scum. Which makes sense since I probably called out OO's plan to later claim he was lying and get everyone to lynch debears. I'm not confident in OO being scum. For a minute I thought about a scum powerplay but it makes less and less sense the more I think about it. and if he is not scum then OO wasted his power utterly...... ? wasted? yes wasted. If OO is not scum (thus hes telling the truth) and you believe him and lynch Dbears then OOs power is wasted. How non town motivated do you want players actions to be before you will lynch him.... You wanted to lynch Alakslam when all he did was press a randomiser that probably just moved items from townies to townies.. How you dont want to Lynch OO for a much scummier action? (wasting a Day vig) BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum... | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 07:11 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 07 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Ofcourse you should weigh in Axle.... On September 07 2013 06:27 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here on and off. You guys think OO is town? I'm on the fence about both of them but I just can't reconcile why he would shoot when he did. I don't really understand it either but the shot makes no sense from either alignment. Just scratch it off as an emotional response I guess. Really? Scratch it off as an emotional response? With people who have a meta as such (emotional ill considered actions) maybe... (which is why theyd be potential policy lynches) Surely OO can play, could have thought through his action? There are ways it can make sense as scum... Almost anything can as scum... How does it hurt scum to do that? (fake claim a day vig shot?) Because everyone is willing to lynch him immediately? Why would he fake it, let alone fake it on the only other guy that can be lynched. Why do it as town...? There is no reason. no good reason at all It was about that point (when OO claimed Day vig shot on DB.) when I most seriously started to consider OO was trying to get lynched to make DB look good. | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 07:03 AxleGreaser wrote: Why would town OO shoot debears? Is he certain he is going to lose the duel? If he is not then he could well just have wasted the shot. There is no plausible town reason to shoot Debears as town... when Its debars vs you in a lynch. To do it as part of your own defence, when the veracity of it is not even known until after the flip... is unfathomable and has no plausible town explanation. OO is scum lynch him. You're saying he wouldn't do it as town so he's scum, but explain why he would do it as scum. Do you believe they're both scum, Axle? I believe either they are both scum.... or OO wants me to think that. It will take me several hours of poring over Debears posts to decide for sure. I dont buy the emotional.. knee jerk reaction 'Oh I am being voted in a duel what do what do... I know lash out the mean man who voted/dueled me. ' For OO to not think through that if you win the duel now your power is wasted is just..... implausible (for OO) | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote: BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum... Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum. yes I chucked that in. My best working theory is they are both scum and if I left the thread alone, especially if the thread got the vote count so that one outcome or another was plausible, the other scum would throw their weight behind getting one or the other lynched and securing town cred for the survivor. My best working theory is when it all started scum thought OO would get lynched. | ||
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On September 07 2013 06:56 Risen wrote: Axle has an extremely good point. Town OO would shoot someone who he is NOT up against, debears would get lynched, town would see his hit go through and move on from there. This is so fucking simple. It is SO. FUCKING. SIMPLE. Any town player looking at this who has the same limited information as me would agree here. This isn't even one of my usual crazy rants where I can in the back of my mind see that maybe I'm wrong if X, Y, Z happen to be true. This is the only logical choice. it is that simple... | ||
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Where is OO? Why is he not playing? How are you ever going to be sure he is town? | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 07:26 Risen wrote: On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote: BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum... Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum. It means the dayvig claim is fake. Which is what I've been trying to get through to you. Yeah, which only makes sense if they're both scum which I do not buy. If they're both scum there was no need to fake a dayvig shot. Yeah it does... If they are both scum... it looks like way to ensure Oo gets lynched as its so daft. If instead it gets believed or WIFOM'd as an emotional play... then how does it hurt ? If Only OO is scum, same logic applies except it requires scum to make an error under pressure. (over look how daft the play is) Why not make an error like that as town? because you have had your Pm for the whole game and being trying to look for the best opportunity to use it wisely to help your win con. Yuo are way more likely to and have had time to consider when and why you'd use your power. | ||
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On September 07 2013 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 07:54 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 07 2013 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 07 2013 07:26 Risen wrote: On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote: BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum... Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum. It means the dayvig claim is fake. Which is what I've been trying to get through to you. Yeah, which only makes sense if they're both scum which I do not buy. If they're both scum there was no need to fake a dayvig shot. Yeah it does... If they are both scum... it looks like way to ensure Oo gets lynched as its so daft. If instead it gets believed or WIFOM'd as an emotional play... then how does it hurt ? If Only OO is scum, same logic applies except it requires scum to make an error under pressure. (over look how daft the play is) Why not make an error like that as town? because you have had your Pm for the whole game and being trying to look for the best opportunity to use it wisely to help your win con. Yuo are way more likely to and have had time to consider when and why you'd use your power. Maybe I just have trouble putting myself in someone elses shoes if that were the case, because if I'm scum and I have a delayed dayvig ability I don't just suddenly blow it when I'm feeling pressure, whereas if I'm town I might. Why? Because as town I feel like I'm trying to win the game alone, whereas if I'm scum it's a team effort. Both alignments think about how to use their abilities the best they can all game long, no? This shot makes sense from neither alignment. I think OO looks town if you ignore the shot. Yeah the vote on debears is odd but look at his post on cakepie. debears on the other hand, called austin scum and said he didn't need to use nirvana strike to get him lynched, but then OMGUS nirvana strikes OO, with his reasons being: "I want towncred" and "I didn't wanna look like I was sheeping" + Show Spoiler + Sometimes as town I dfeel like i am trying to win the game alone too, buthen my rational mind reminds me thats not true. I do undertsand at least some people wont take the second rational step and just keep YOLOing day vig, and nirvanna strike, forever. (this town did run a this town aint big enough game where that was the cultural norm) Both alignments do think about how to use their powers all game long. Regarding powers town and scum ACTUALLY have.... Scum think about how to use them to help scum. town think about how to use them to help town. Scum suddenly trying to fake a town motivation for the use get it wrong more often. Scum do not think that much about how to use powers they might under some conditions oneday fake claim. Also scum OO has fake claimed rather well.... If we lynch him no harm done. If we lynch DB then we can no longer verify whether he did or did not have that power... If OO, is scum, Nothing wrong ... | ||
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On September 07 2013 08:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 08:13 Stutters695 wrote: I'm voting oo. he's the better choice ...??? Look at this. There's like 6 paragraphs of text above this post explaining why he's not the best choice and this is all you have to say Stutters? There is also an enormous bunch of stuff saying why he is.... but today to merely say "he's the better choice" and not even bother choosing just which bits of reasoning convinced you... WTF? | ||
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On September 07 2013 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 08:14 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 07 2013 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 07 2013 07:54 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 07 2013 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 07 2013 07:26 Risen wrote: On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote: BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum... Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum. It means the dayvig claim is fake. Which is what I've been trying to get through to you. Yeah, which only makes sense if they're both scum which I do not buy. If they're both scum there was no need to fake a dayvig shot. Yeah it does... If they are both scum... it looks like way to ensure Oo gets lynched as its so daft. If instead it gets believed or WIFOM'd as an emotional play... then how does it hurt ? If Only OO is scum, same logic applies except it requires scum to make an error under pressure. (over look how daft the play is) Why not make an error like that as town? because you have had your Pm for the whole game and being trying to look for the best opportunity to use it wisely to help your win con. Yuo are way more likely to and have had time to consider when and why you'd use your power. Maybe I just have trouble putting myself in someone elses shoes if that were the case, because if I'm scum and I have a delayed dayvig ability I don't just suddenly blow it when I'm feeling pressure, whereas if I'm town I might. Why? Because as town I feel like I'm trying to win the game alone, whereas if I'm scum it's a team effort. Both alignments think about how to use their abilities the best they can all game long, no? This shot makes sense from neither alignment. I think OO looks town if you ignore the shot. Yeah the vote on debears is odd but look at his post on cakepie. debears on the other hand, called austin scum and said he didn't need to use nirvana strike to get him lynched, but then OMGUS nirvana strikes OO, with his reasons being: "I want towncred" and "I didn't wanna look like I was sheeping" + Show Spoiler + Sometimes as town I dfeel like i am trying to win the game alone too, buthen my rational mind reminds me thats not true. I do undertsand at least some people wont take the second rational step and just keep YOLOing day vig, and nirvanna strike, forever. (this town did run a this town aint big enough game where that was the cultural norm) Both alignments do think about how to use their powers all game long. Regarding powers town and scum ACTUALLY have.... Scum think about how to use them to help scum. town think about how to use them to help town. Scum suddenly trying to fake a town motivation for the use get it wrong more often. Scum do not think that much about how to use powers they might under some conditions oneday fake claim. Also scum OO has fake claimed rather well.... If we lynch him no harm done. If we lynch DB then we can no longer verify whether he did or did not have that power... If OO, is scum, Nothing wrong ... Accept the possibility of the shot coming from town for one damn second. Ignore the shot, look at OO's play. Does he look like scum? Now look at debears. If OO flips scum all is well and good, if he flips town we are screwed. How many mislynches do we have left you reckon? One or none. + Show Spoiler + Town may already be effectively or so clase as it doesnt matter an ornament on a duel between other protagonists. Until the game is over however I intend to try and lynch people that play openly against the town win con when on paper(past play) they have the skills to do better. Today thats OO. I Started pushing him for a reason so yeah at the time he looked a bit scummy. Was I terminally tunnelled and would not have moved on to try others? Nope. But DB forced the issue. What was OOs response to pressure scummy or town? When i read it it felt like caught scum to me. Am I 100% sold that DB is scum too? Nope. | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:59 cakepie wrote: (B) if debears scum, OO scum fake dayvig, this is ridiculously risky and banks heavily on debears getting lynched so that OO gets props for it while also disguising the fake dayvig. slight problem here is that the only way to see OO's poor choice of dayvig shot as a town move is if it were an emotional response. With scum being pretty ahead this game, I don't see why scum would want to make a risky move like this. Ahhh in what sense is it risky who except Debears or OO was going to get lynched...? If OO is alive... then Debears got lynched and the fake claim is disguised. There is No option where OO is alive tomorrow and fake claim gets outed. | ||
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On September 07 2013 08:56 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + But I have a post in another window written up that I keep staring at ...On September 07 2013 08:54 Risen wrote: The urge occurred to me so it has to of occurred to other people. Don't unvote OO. doesnt it have big red button on it marked "dont press this"? | ||
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On September 07 2013 09:22 Clarity_nl wrote: and oo is dayvig... so debears confirmed town and confirmed dead tomorrow? I need to check this out by thinking some more.... actually even now !!! debears not confirmed town. confirmed town is very very hard thing to become | ||
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On September 07 2013 10:00 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 09:22 Clarity_nl wrote: and oo is dayvig... so debears confirmed town and confirmed dead tomorrow? I need to check this out by thinking some more.... actually even now !!! debears not confirmed town. confirmed town is very very hard thing to become + Show Spoiler [factual basis] + On September 06 2013 14:09 ObviousOne wrote: ... ##Kill: debears A debars says i have never heard of power to actually post the kill text in the thread but have an private back door to recant secretly... Weird arse but this is Aperture. So I am not actually 1000000% certain. Anyways ignoring that.... (as too basurd (bat shit crazy) even for Axle.) FromMOds day post .hence mod confirmed. "(+3 fate) Once per game you can type ##Kill: <Player Name> in the thread anytime during the day" + Show Spoiler [LOL] + Do note it is weird arse version of faster than light projectile that takes all day to get there... meh I guessing grey is nota physics major... <3 Do note that Fate does actually appear to have changed by 3. (Night3=F3 - Day3=F0) + Show Spoiler [LOL] + Aperture was F0? I usually use F4.5 or more even more. You must geta shitty depth of field at F0. :O perhaps other people did things too so I will ignore that. So yes unless some rather fairly basic assumptions that we all hold are inavlid Debears will die when the role Pm says he will... At tomorrows Lynch. + Show Spoiler [Logical analysis] + While it is technically possible for player to specifically play against his Win con lets assume despite any and all evidence that is not true. (Do note I am aware of a game of RL mafia where scum accidentally shot a team mate N1....) + Show Spoiler + (no really: IIRC 1 player didnt understand he was scum from his player card(=PM). played townie all day...didnt open his eyes when it was scums turn to do night actions and scum shot their team mate...) However we will assume OO did not accidentally shoot DB having forgot DB was a team mate. Either OO did not know DB was team mate or DB was in fact at the time not a team mate of OO. Thus OO did indeed shoot someone he believed to be of a different alignment to himself. Debears is thus almost certainly not scum He could be 3rd party planar survivor dragon with nivanna strike as a breath weapon.... | ||
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On September 07 2013 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Shooting a teammate isn't considered playing against ur win condition. Risen would do that as scum. yes but only if it gets you town cred.... + Show Spoiler + Well I hope that is how it works... Vivax... yeah Vivax... I hadn't considered the possibilities of what Vivax might do. | ||
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On September 07 2013 12:12 cakepie wrote: Food for thought: we had a mortician. I dont eat morticians? Do you think he was really a cannibal? + Show Spoiler [psssst] + Will he give me CJD if I did just nibble a bit? Sorry just voted below the line in the Australian senate election... That means I filled out this ballot with the numbers 1 to a bazillion.... Normal service will resume shortly | ||
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On September 07 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can dead players be roleblocked?] I am not a mod... not sure what your point is. I am not sure dead players can perform actions... that could be role blocked. I am likely betting that you cant role block an in transit shuriken.. as that would breaking the intent of " it travels through time allows you to lull your target into a false sense of security, so that when your attack hits the next day, it will pierce vet or medic protection on the target." | ||
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On September 07 2013 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah okay it makes no sense. ShiaoPi i meant why do people want to lynch you as you are in the same situation with Felkyr, green check. Can you tell who the green check is by and who wed lynch if wed lynch if the check turned out eventually to be a lie? If I tell you I just got an anonymous message that Alak was town... + Show Spoiler + yeah that is silly on purpose, substitute player X of your choice. No accountability = no check. | ||
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On September 07 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 07 2013 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah okay it makes no sense. ShiaoPi i meant why do people want to lynch you as you are in the same situation with Felkyr, green check. Can you tell who the green check is by and who wed lynch if wed lynch if the check turned out eventually to be a lie? If I tell you I just got an anonymous message that Alak was town... + Show Spoiler + yeah that is silly on purpose, substitute player X of your choice. No accountability = no check. I am not saying ShiaoPi is town or Felkyr is town. I am questioning the logic that Felkyr is town by the check and ShiaoPi somehow is not. Sorry. tired I must of misspoke. I didn't think you were saying either was town. As I recall it I dismissed both things as junk from my point of view. I regard both checks as irrelevant to me. (as the sources are so plausibly deniable they mean zero.) Wasnt felkyrs the check that had his role and alignment? but it was made by an anonymous 3rd person in a QT I cant read or have quoted... Sounded a lot more like a scum role cop trying to look like a cop for cred.. and or to drive mislynches? If he felt he got enough trust. | ||
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On September 08 2013 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 05:09 cakepie wrote: On September 08 2013 03:25 VisceraEyes wrote: On September 08 2013 02:38 Coagulation wrote: did u just call me a fucking pig? I'M GONNA MAKE YOU SQUEAL LIKE A PIGGIE!! I don't know if or how these codewords are inspired by something or not but MAN IS THAT ONE RATHER APPROPRIATE CODEWORD FOR HIS ACTIVITY/USEFULNESS haha I am also tickled to be crossfire because =cohost lol </silliness> On September 08 2013 04:34 Cephiro wrote: Can someone update me on this cell thing and whether it relates to any alignment or not as for some reason I do not recall anything of this. See this and then P147 in N2, and then P150-P151 should get you caught up with the basics of what happened here while you were in closed casket I think wrt alignment i believe stutters said something about there being no wincon change when he got recruited. Lol whatever I get to by Greymist, the host I am aspiring to be. In other news I have zero clue wtf is going on in this game anymore. Cephiro weren't we supposed to be doing something? LOL I am a penguin Welcome to Aperture. Looking for scum? (If not that then looking like you are.) I dont know if his plan is solid or not. | ||
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On September 08 2013 09:27 Cephiro wrote: I vig shot Coagulation. I really wanted to start every day off voting for Coag so as to remind people that if you had shot you could shoot him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19679200 .... Oh... ta. I need to read some filters... starting with my own. @WOS long time ago now I said I untunnelled I did but I didnt forget. Later I made this post, pointing out i had read your filter and still didn't understand your reasoning. link to context + Show Spoiler [actual unanswered post] + On September 01 2013 15:28 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 14:57 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 01 2013 14:56 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 01 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote: geript town guys. Not voterigger, some role that switches all the votes on you to another target. lol BH again victim of the lynch Which totally explains why my vote on SHiaoPi was moved. Thanks for your contributions as always Oats. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision. I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. So was there a good reason you had your vote on Shioapi right at the end of the day? When it was already clear you had expressed your preference to Lynch Shiaopi but it was never going to happen? Not explaining it again. Read my filter. I have. Originally here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19646000 you said Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 07:27 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 01 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 07:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think I will be changing my vote so you may have to rely on others. Is there any reason you want your vote parked somewhere like Shiaopi? Already explained it; first of all I think he's scum but since my vote doesn't matter, meh. I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so. you said this subsequently Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. and in my filter I explained that my plan was fine even if some of the three were scum yet still even though you "I am fine with AG's plan" you cant swap your vote onto the geript wagon to enable my plan to work? even though I say the thing you are concerned about (BH's confidence in going along with it) is fine. Playing as town is hard... you have to cooperate with people you only probably think are townies...(in this case me and my plan) its the effort to try and do that I am not seeing. That part of playing as town is also hard to fake as scum. So yes even though you have explained that in your filter... I could do with you clarifying why some more. (people reading this exchange ought remember that in my own statistical opinion i tunnel WOS like trojan. So form your own opinions please. Also note I tunnel him in games I am not playing just reading...) @thread What I am looking for when analysing what happened when i tried make my plan go down is who acted like a townie would. As the situation (me wanting specific 3 votes was unusual as mentioned earlier in my filter scummers were trying to fake stuff they had never done as townie... aka work out how suspicious as a towny they ought be of my weird arse sounding plan.) yes its thin, so is trying to read what happened from the votes on someone that never flipped (geript) when he then redirected the lynch onto someone that hadn't even be a contender. I still fail to see a towny reason why you voted as you did D1 if you are town. "So was there a good reason you had your vote on Shioapi right at the end of the day 1?" | ||
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On September 08 2013 12:06 Risen wrote: It means I'm not doing anything relevant in the game and they don't need to sit me anymore. Like seriously wtf why did you fucking idiots shot me I'm 3P. Look at my day 1/2 play. We could always lynch you instead though... Not doing stuff, especially when they claim they have an excuse to is just the kind of thing scum like to do. | ||
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##vote WaveOfShadow On September 08 2013 12:44 Risen wrote: I don't pass it. The bell is out of the game. As you might still be here. How do you mean "The bell is out of the game?" | ||
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On September 08 2013 13:48 Risen wrote: It is stuck to me and follows me into the dark. It gets activated every night which is why I told scum not to waste a shot the idiots. I need this game to last two more nights assuming no mr cheese lynch today. WAT? On September 03 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: oh yeah I had the shattered bell which makes you vet for a cycle and you cant use it more than once. 4 charges and I didnt use it. As he flipped town are you saying he lied? Oatsmaster, as Kenpachi, has died! | ||
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On September 08 2013 14:13 debears wrote: Whyyyyyy am I still alive TBMK The Shuriken is still travelling it arrives at Lynch time? Did you want to be dead sooner? | ||
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On September 08 2013 14:15 AxleGreaser wrote: TBMK The Shuriken is still travelling it arrives at Lynch time? Did you want to be dead sooner? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19693360 yeah... "to attack the player the next day (at the lynch) with your faster-than-light shuriken." | ||
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On September 08 2013 14:19 Risen wrote: I am keeper of the shattered bell. That's my role. My objective, since any third party looking to screw me likely already knows who I am, is to locate the shattered bell. Once I have located it the next time an item move happens I automatically receive it and use it to protect myself each night. I got incredibly lucky that alaka claimed having it and then died. If that was my role ok awesome, not so hard. HOWEVER, in addition to that I must steal 3 souls from a single individual. N1 I targeted mr cheese. N2 alaka so I could confirm the bell's position. Lady night was mr cheese again. So tomorrow night will be mr cheese the final time and all I have to do is live until night post, as in not get lynched. I really want to say WAT to that... but no It despite being a shattered bell rings true. except why are you bothering to tell scum not to shoot at you? or worried when they do? | ||
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On September 08 2013 14:40 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 14:34 Risen wrote: because if scum wastes kp on me and you guys win before I do I still lose But I just wanted to screw you over for good ole times :D Gotta work with me here risen. + Show Spoiler + I thought you just wanted to take him as your handmaiden into the beyond... but sorry I checked my win con again, and I only vote lynch Risen if I think he's MOST likely to flip scum. @Risen still not exactly seeing how scum killing town people changes the rate at which we might lynch them(scum). (According to you) As they wasted a KP on you that makes the player list 1 larger than it was. Thus as they shot you it is now harder for town to find scum? Perhaps you had different idea about what would slow town down... Also curious why you were concerned town would win quickly when yesterday was the first time we lynched scum and we had not shot Coag yet? | ||
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On September 08 2013 14:48 Risen wrote: I'm drunk for this shit. I'll figure out how much I've fucked up in the morning @Risen.... So when you get up please to continue our Conversation. | ||
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On September 08 2013 15:11 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 14:40 debears wrote: On September 08 2013 14:34 Risen wrote: because if scum wastes kp on me and you guys win before I do I still lose But I just wanted to screw you over for good ole times :D Gotta work with me here risen. + Show Spoiler + I thought you just wanted to take him as your handmaiden into the beyond... but sorry I checked my win con again, and I only vote lynch Risen if I think he's MOST likely to flip scum. @Risen still not exactly seeing how scum killing town people changes the rate at which we might lynch them(scum). (According to you) As they wasted a KP on you that makes the player list 1 larger than it would have been if they targeted a towny. Thus as they shot you + Show Spoiler + (and there are more players alive than if they had shot a townie) Perhaps you had different idea about what would slow town down... Also curious why you were concerned town would win quickly when yesterday was the first time we lynched scum and we had not shot Coag yet? | ||
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On September 08 2013 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I got one-shot mason for cycle for that. I'll mason someone at the nightpost. just want to check what this means... You will submit an action during the day before the lynch and the 1 shot mason is for the night phase? or You will submit who you want to one shot mason during the night, and it start with the next day? or You will submit who you want to one shot mason during the night, and it will only last the night. | ||
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On September 08 2013 20:13 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I got one-shot mason for cycle for that. I'll mason someone at the nightpost. You will submit who you want to one shot mason during the night, and it will only last the night. If its that one it would be wise to wait until the dust settles from the lynch. (by that I mean an hour or two of think time) I have questions I want to ask number of people today I am then hoping the lynch will clear stuff up. @WOS See the vote and the relevant post. That means if you are town we ought get this out of the way... k. That means I not just asking to see if you answer or don't, I need to know. | ||
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On September 08 2013 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: It'll last for a cycle, so night + day i'd guess if i send it this phase. Not asking or suggesting or hinting. Currently I have questions not answers. | ||
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On September 08 2013 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 09:40 Cephiro wrote: @ rayn: Please claim what ability the mafia has gained from Exeggutor dying. (Under the assumption you're not bullshitting about the whole ordeal) No i killed Exeggutor. That was the mafia dudes pokemon. ^^ oooh... You also know what power scum were trying to get? (I presume they initiated the battle.) decide if that is useful to you or everyone to know... If only scum know then only scum know what their current problems/priorities are.... They could be chasing KP, or blocking, or a check, or a mason for them, or ... | ||
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Yesterday at one point you asked me how many mislynches we had left. Times have moved on bit :)))))) (I hope) I ask this question because I want to know (aka I lack any real idea) Do you have guess for how many scum might be left? AFAIK a straight up VT 31 game would have about 6? Aperture (Portal Mafia) had (T=17, 3rd=10, S=4) Does that seem in the ball park for this one? 4-5 scum depending on the actual number of (3rds, 4th, 5ths...) There are 11 dead Townies... Last night there were two unclaimed kills... (Except risen claims a hit... ) | ||
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On September 08 2013 21:00 Cephiro wrote: Alright. Hiro, once you're on and actively reading the thread, inform me here in the thread. I'm decided on the target now. I want you to use the item on that person instantly once I call the target, is that fine with you regardless of whom I choose? You are trying to get lynched aren't you? | ||
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On September 08 2013 21:27 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 21:19 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 08 2013 21:00 Cephiro wrote: Alright. Hiro, once you're on and actively reading the thread, inform me here in the thread. I'm decided on the target now. I want you to use the item on that person instantly once I call the target, is that fine with you regardless of whom I choose? You are trying to get lynched aren't you? You want to lynch a town vig? Are you out of your mind? And no, I have my reasons to call for the usage instantly. No / Frequently / Just making sure you understand how bad instant without good reasons look if you miss. | ||
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On September 08 2013 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 21:16 AxleGreaser wrote: @Clarity Yesterday at one point you asked me how many mislynches we had left. Times have moved on bit :)))))) (I hope) I ask this question because I want to know (aka I lack any real idea) Do you have guess for how many scum might be left? AFAIK a straight up VT 31 game would have about 6? Aperture (Portal Mafia) had (T=17, 3rd=10, S=4) Does that seem in the ball park for this one? 4-5 scum depending on the actual number of (3rds, 4th, 5ths...) There are 11 dead Townies... Last night there were two unclaimed kills... (Except risen claims a hit... ) I've been working under the assumption of there being 6-7 scum total. But it's hard to tell with this setup, especially since the nightkill numbers show no pattern. What do you think of MrZentor? Not where i have been looking and I threw everything i thought i knew out and started again with the flips. get coffee and read again shouldnt take that long as I recall Mr Z. | ||
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On September 08 2013 21:58 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 21:55 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 08 2013 21:27 Cephiro wrote: On September 08 2013 21:19 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 08 2013 21:00 Cephiro wrote: Alright. Hiro, once you're on and actively reading the thread, inform me here in the thread. I'm decided on the target now. I want you to use the item on that person instantly once I call the target, is that fine with you regardless of whom I choose? You are trying to get lynched aren't you? You want to lynch a town vig? Are you out of your mind? And no, I have my reasons to call for the usage instantly. No / Frequently / Just making sure you understand how bad instant without good reasons look if you miss. Ah yes, I understand that. However, a town vig has to take risks sometimes. I know my reasoning, but I am not going to reveal it unless Hiro performs the action on the target of my choice. After that is done, I will. If I miss, so be it, but I am only trying for town's best. I already missed once, but I already hit once as well. Could be doing worse. Even if I don't hit scum, you should focus on finding them instead of wondering why I shot person X. (I'm town, that fact ain't changing no matter how much we talk about it so it's pointless.) No point in wasting time with that, rather move along and find the next target instead. Just kicking tires... until some instant shot stops me finding out stuff I need to know to find scum Then I go back and reconsider what was impossible. | ||
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On September 08 2013 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 21:16 AxleGreaser wrote: @Clarity Yesterday at one point you asked me how many mislynches we had left. Times have moved on bit :)))))) (I hope) I ask this question because I want to know (aka I lack any real idea) Do you have guess for how many scum might be left? AFAIK a straight up VT 31 game would have about 6? Aperture (Portal Mafia) had (T=17, 3rd=10, S=4) Does that seem in the ball park for this one? 4-5 scum depending on the actual number of (3rds, 4th, 5ths...) There are 11 dead Townies... Last night there were two unclaimed kills... (Except risen claims a hit... ) I've been working under the assumption of there being 6-7 scum total. But it's hard to tell with this setup, especially since the nightkill numbers show no pattern. What do you think of MrZentor? I and you had different reads on Alak (I was wwwwwwrong) so I can sympathise easier with where MrZ was at D1. I was still surprised when he flipped I will have to go back and find out why I was so wrong after the game. However MrZ's "A lot of people are more likely to be scum than alakaslam, " seems wrong Alak started at unreadable and stayed there. It would be hard for there to be lot more likely than that. Mainly I think its still early and i have other rocks to look under. | ||
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On September 08 2013 22:44 Clarity_nl wrote: I was surprised too but only because I didn't expect scum to tempban themselves on TL It's not the fact that he didn't believe slam was scum like I did, it's that he had a firm townread on him, which he never explained. What rocks are you planning to look under Axle? barnacle covered granite ones have always appealed. | ||
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On September 09 2013 02:07 MrZentor wrote: If you had asked, I could have proven myself to be a townie. Which is and was the problem with using it instantly... instead of as a threat to get info... However I am not currently clear are you still with us and posting? or were they mumbles after being crushed but going to flip at lynch time. and Oh LOL This was not any kind of rock I was going to be looking under.... | ||
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On September 09 2013 02:11 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 02:07 MrZentor wrote: If you had asked, I could have proven myself to be a townie. You still could. Sometimes, rash actions have to be taken. If you are indeed town, my apologies, but brave plays have to be made. SO do you care to explain why it had to be without warning? | ||
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On September 09 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case the cop who copped ShioPi and Felkyr is legit i pretty much see no other options for scum than randombum and WoS. Everyone else looks more or less town. yeah well that is clearly one rock I am waiting for answer about. also waiting for Risen to wake up as I recall it. Also if peeps that haven't posted in the thread are lurking ... say hi. | ||
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On September 09 2013 02:15 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 02:14 AxleGreaser wrote: SO do you care to explain why it had to be without warning? Think. Thiiiiiink. Its a no then Ok. I always think I sometimes get more than one answer to one question and it confusals me. | ||
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On September 09 2013 02:07 MrZentor wrote: If you had asked, I could have proven myself to be a townie. Proven usually means something different to most people that use it than me. How could you have proven it? | ||
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On September 09 2013 02:07 MrZentor wrote: If you had asked, I could have proven myself to be a townie. better yet... I believe Clarity Asked you rather explicitly earlier by voting to lynch you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=3679&topic_id=424349 | ||
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It is getting buried so please see this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19698923 I realise that is an open ended question but when you turn up I can ask smaller ones.. | ||
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On September 09 2013 03:37 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 03:31 Cephiro wrote: Rayn could be of any alignment. I have seen no actions from him so far that would confirm him to one way or another. @Zentor: To ensure the kill. You've done close to nothing for town this game. If I had started asking you before, you could have come up with all kinds of schenanigans to try and explain yourself, in the worst case effectively wasting most of the time we've got available to decide on a lynch. This way we'll see what you flip and can concentrate on someone else that seems scummy for the lynch. Your reactions to my actions are saying quite a bit though. You're not telling us anything. If I was going to die in 24 hours with no way of communicating after, I'd share every single piece of information I'd have. You've done nothing of the kind, and you're just questioning my action. Questioning my actions won't change what happened, and it's pointless to go on about it. If you're town, tell us what you've got, and if you're scum you can just leave instead of wasting our time. Okay guys, this is my read. Cephiro is scum. I hope this helps. On September 09 2013 03:39 MrZentor wrote: He wouldn't. I just want you guys to kill him for being so stupid. Your towny impersonation could do with little improving. | ||
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On September 09 2013 03:40 Risen wrote: Every town member in this game who has read my recent posting is incompetent. Ok Risen seeing as the below is the obvious way to make up an answer to fit those posts... (BTW that doesnt mean Rayn did just that if he had to thats what hed do...) How is anyone terrible for not following that up. Or are you just trying harder to prove you are either 3P or scum by distracting the thread. Its Ok I already firmly believe you are one of those. On September 09 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 03:56 AxleGreaser wrote: Yeah Ok while waiting for my rocks to turn up and post i will bite. Hey Rayn why were you certain "Risen is town" His overall play and cases exactly match his play from GoT. Now as I remember it There are votes on RandomBum.... and i want to know if he has anything to say, before some other power mad loony nukes him... without more warning. And i have questions for WOS. I also have questions for other people that have not posted in most of the first 19hrs of today. (maybe they did at the start...) So if you are town and cruise by the thread please post and see if i want to clarify something with you. I mean after bad couple of days Id have thought town players might finally be starting to be keen again. | ||
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On September 09 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 03:56 AxleGreaser wrote: Yeah Ok while waiting for my rocks to turn up and post i will bite. Hey Rayn why were you certain "Risen is town" His overall play and cases exactly match his play from GoT. Earlier in post by you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19685549 Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more. Is that your read or is that a quote? | ||
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While if you are town thats easy for you to know for me its much harder, and i know tend to read your play as scummy even when its not, soits going to be hard for me to see your point of view. Ok? In previous exchange you said "Not explaining it again. Read my filter." I did. + Show Spoiler + Originally here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19646000 you said On September 01 2013 07:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 01 2013 07:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think I will be changing my vote so you may have to rely on others. Is there any reason you want your vote parked somewhere like Shiaopi? Already explained it; first of all I think he's scum but since my vote doesn't matter, meh. I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so. you said this subsequently On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. and in my filter I explained that my plan was fine even if some of the three were scum yet still even though you "I am fine with AG's plan" you cant swap your vote onto the geript wagon to enable my plan to work? even though I say the thing you are concerned about (BH's confidence in going along with it) is fine. Playing as town is hard... you have to cooperate with people you only probably think are townies...(in this case me and my plan) its the effort to try and do that I am not seeing. That part of playing as town is also hard to fake as scum. So yes even though you have explained that in your filter... I could do with you clarifying why some more. In there you say "I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so." Who did you think might be going to perform actions and what was the risk to towns win con? Presumably you were also most confident Shiaopi was scum (aka your strongest read) | ||
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On September 09 2013 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I was afraid that voting for Geript would cause something bad to happen, since he was essentially asking for it, and looked scummy as all hell. If you want to see another example of my paranoia regarding heavily themed games, look at my refusal to ##Lovetap in the most recent PTP game. I don't know what could have happened exactly that would cause an antitown outcome, it's a Greymist game. I was most confident of Shiao being scum at the time, and then he masoned me. At first I figured it was just a ploy to gain confidence as we were both voting each other, then I grew to trust him, even though I figured out that he recruited me to his mason chat because he may have wanted to shoot me at a later time. We had a little bit of discussion before he was shot but not that much more; I've already mentioned that. Yes I can understand not wanting to do the love tap thing i was saying noooooo when i read the game. You are town, as nearly every other townie was on that wagon.. if there is risk to town that you dont want to take... I dont recall you emphasising that to the other townies in the game. How did you grow to trust him? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust just seemed to evaporate? | ||
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You are town, as nearly every other townie was on that wagon.. if there is risk to town that you dont want to take... I dont recall you emphasising that to the other townies in the game. As I understand it you didnt want to vote for geript as that might do something to you, but what I dont see is concern for what it might do to all the townies who were voting for geript. (Indeed my plan which you didnt have problem with meant nearly all the townies would have voted for geript...) How did you grow to trust him(Shiaopi)? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust you had for shiaopi just seemed to evaporate? | ||
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On September 09 2013 05:14 AxleGreaser wrote: How did you grow to trust him(Shiaopi)? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust you had for shiaopi just seemed to evaporate? | ||
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On September 09 2013 05:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 05:21 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 09 2013 05:14 AxleGreaser wrote: How did you grow to trust him(Shiaopi)? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust you had for shiaopi just seemed to evaporate? The masoning made me trust him. Sorry for some reason I thought you were referring to Geript. Axle what do you think of Rayn? nah the geript bit was my bad . As masoning can be scum or town role. I presume you mean the things he said or asked in the mason chat. You can't quote but what in the mason chat led you to get a town read on him having had him as your strongest scum read. | ||
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On September 09 2013 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 05:27 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 09 2013 05:23 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 09 2013 05:21 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 09 2013 05:14 AxleGreaser wrote: How did you grow to trust him(Shiaopi)? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust you had for shiaopi just seemed to evaporate? The masoning made me trust him. Sorry for some reason I thought you were referring to Geript. Axle what do you think of Rayn? nah the geript bit was my bad . As masoning can be scum or town role. I presume you mean the things he said or asked in the mason chat. You can't quote but what in the mason chat led you to get a town read on him having had him as your strongest scum read. Constant stream of questions, genuinely being concerned when I didn't answer after a while, providing clear and honest answers/reads when I asked for them in return. He volunteered his role info (minus the KP only being usable on mason members for obvious reasons) to me despite me not having provided any reads or information to him yet. As hes a flipped townie can you tell us what his reads were? | ||
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I now this seems anti climactic. Sorry but Id be seriously incoherent if I tried to address stuff now. | ||
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On September 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: So could you provide those reads and thoughts to us too WoS? I don't see a lot from you besides your read on me. Yeah i wouldnt mind know what reads you gave shiaopi that helped shiaopi decide you were town. (as i recall you guys wer at one another before the masoning.) | ||
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Not that i remember. So they cant have been important. | ||
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On September 09 2013 10:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: been sleeping so I dont know what people wrote yet. However Cheese if we happen to get to point where you could safely vote for me without jeopardising the lynch would you be willing? My best estimate is that no matter your role PM says except unless its scum then it is in your best interests to do so. I will also state I think its in towns obviously.... Dear other readers, you have heard of WIFOM... this is AxleFOM... dont bother. Do note i may say nah changed my mind after you answer :) | ||
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On September 09 2013 14:47 cakepie wrote: sure, talk to me. On September 08 2013 09:29 cakepie wrote: Cool, do you take responsibility for Oats or Vayne as well? Why did you ask this question about those two players? | ||
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Where you said it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19698472 On September 09 2013 14:52 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2013 09:29 cakepie wrote: On September 08 2013 09:27 Cephiro wrote: I vig shot Coagulation. Cool, do you take responsibility for Oats or Vayne as well? Why those two players? | ||
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On September 09 2013 15:03 cakepie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 14:52 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 09 2013 14:47 cakepie wrote: sure, talk to me. On September 08 2013 09:29 cakepie wrote: On September 08 2013 09:27 Cephiro wrote: I vig shot Coagulation. Cool, do you take responsibility for Oats or Vayne as well? Why did you ask this question about those two players? Because confirming plausible crumb Show nested quote + On September 04 2013 11:26 Cephiro wrote: Vigilantes, target these tonight: Oatsmaster VayneAuthority raynpelikoneet Scum will have a hard choice to make tonight, if they'll try to kill me or not. They know I'm onto them and will pressure them hard, but killing me will make the situation look even worse for them, as they've all tried blatant OMGUS on me. Play smart fellow townies, I have trust in thee. Fine I was hoping there was reason I didn't know about. | ||
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but when I didn't know how you could pick two out of N and get yes I was worried. Looked like you knew the rest were scum kills somehow.... but that would be too silly so I was Do you have any hints where to start understand this pokemon stuff. Where did Professor Oak come up? | ||
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On September 09 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tomorrow i am gonna make a recap of my claim and everything regarding it. You can then decide if it makes sense or not. I am also gonna mason someone town to prove my claim. If you after that think i am scum, you can lynch me. Rayn it will prove you have mason power not how or when you got it... | ||
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Lynch WOS. TLDR: WOS got a scum PM WOS played to his win condition We lynch WOS. Old ground: Feel Read: WOS's early D1 I can summarise as I did then Axle: I see you doing stuff. What I don't see is you trying to find stuff out? Scummy. + Show Spoiler [details] + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19633082 If you read the posts of WOS's before that thats what I get the feel read off. it could easily be wrong.. but its the first point Anti town mindset at end of D1. (During the Vote Axle Plan) WOS's mindeset and intention is focussed on self preservation not what is good for town. Scummier. He is concerned about what voting for Geript will do to him so he keeps his vote where it is of no value. + Show Spoiler [Details] + Previously covered HereLink At the end of the Day, WOS's vote is parked on a not going to get lynched target Shiaopi Reason: WOS: " I was most confident of Shiao being scum at the time, ... " (This is a potentially 'good' sentiment during the day but at the end of the day in majority lynch townies cooperate to get the job done. WOS did not. WOS was Anti Town) WOS: "I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so." Concern for own welfare as a towny who doesnt want actions performed on him by geript. On its own that sentiment is kinda plausible as Town (even if more likely to be scum) However he also holds this view. WOS: "I am fine with AG's plan for the record." Although my plan now means many more townies might have actions peformed on them WOS is fine with it. How can you be fine with the plan if it involves other townies doing what you yourself regard to be bad risk. Very Anti Town I simply cant marry all three into single townies mind set about how the game was going. I can however easily marry it into the single mindset of a scum. It is the timely conjunction of three incongruous points of view that is the problem and what makes it clearly an anti town mindset. + Show Spoiler + Here is how I imagine it. Those of you who are 3rd party may even know.... The thing you have to remember is just how confusing all this must have been to Scum and 3rd party. 1 Townie(non scum...anyway) has been campaigning all day to get lynched.. Seemed good as far as it went. You had some scum votes (see flips) safely buried in the wagon dujor. And some other votes spread around. Everything is going swimmingly. You might even decide to AFK. Suddenly another probable townie start campaigning to get ALL the votes on Geript and few on himself WAT WAT WAT !!!! Scum jump in the QT and chat or just simply face palm and read Axles filter again... WAT! However actual townies are so thankful for someone saying something good will happen they all pile on Geript... They also don't have scum QT to go talk in. So yehah Town pile onto Geript. Predominantly Scum and 3rd party stuff up, and like WOS are left out in the cold, to either take a 'principled' stance on Shiaopi or all cluster together in the voting besides .... WAT. New ground: So far the case is WOS is anti town, or not pro town. How to differentiate Scum WOS from 3rd Party WOS. Shiapoi gets role blocked (prob by Alak) and dies after masoning WOS. Who knows about Shiaopi? and why is he blocked N2 and then killed N3. True WOS did announce in the thread he was masoned to Shiaopi but its only a masoning and no mention was made of the KP that only arrives after masoning 4 people anyway. Why RB a mason? If WOS is scum not just anti town 3P it suddenly becomes much more likely Shiaopi will get killed. One particularly good reason... WOS doesnt like talking to me :( In later days Shiaopi went so quiet he was becoming suspiciously yet still scum shot him.... over much more active townies. It needs a reason, and the Reason is WOS told the scum QT to nk him. | ||
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It is now A vote to Lynch. | ||
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There is one caveat see below. He mentions ShiaoPis death here Dont read the next WOS post YET. The next post here might seem aggressive uncooperative + Show Spoiler + or (just fine if you feel the same?) If you try to interpret that post of his READ the spoiler below this. (Caveat) It could easily be interpreted as blatant attempt to have an escape route if the conversation goes wrong. If I you havent read the games I played with WOS it might seem waaaaaaay out of the blue. + Show Spoiler [our playing history] + We played in EGO where i was scum tunnelled him aggressively like crazy and got myself ROFL Lynched D1. We played in I Swear 2, again (before he outed his smurf) I was tunnelling him as a plan (it just seems to be a thing) that time a question was left hanging and I came back to it later. This might feel deja vu as scum or town to him. That time I didn't get either of us lynched. The amount of attitude in the WOS post surprised me, perhaps I was wishful thinking it. He does however say "I've been out of this game for too long and I'd really like to get back into it," You might want to see in the following posts, if that is what he does or just says he wants to do. In case you are wondering this is also the reason for the softly softly. And despite what you can make of our conversation those questions and answers (well some of them) were important to me finally deciding to actually go for this lynch today. I expect why will become more apparent as the day wears on. The conversation starts here and ends here. A question I ask myself about that exchange is what was WOS purpose and intent? Is it "I've been out of this game for too long and I'd really like to get back into it," + Show Spoiler + In between answering my questions this post get put in Vote Rayn 6 mins after previous post to me... doesn't really seem all that long to make a considered judgement. Agrees would lynch random bujm I min afetr previous post. Rayn observes at this point "yeah WoS is scum." I kind of agree those posts don't feel right. We then get long miscommunication post on Geript. I think its my fault I got misinterpreted. Some buddying "At least Axle is trying to get a read on me. What have you(to rayn) got? Bring it. This post nearly has me... I can just about see a towny might have said fuck it, to his win con and just let curiosity play itself out... Town BH may have done that a bit with his own life when he went along with my plan. + Show Spoiler + I hope he worked out in this game I couldn't reasonably be gaming such a scheme While just maybe a towny thought like that, any scum or 3P would in heart beat. Thus while its possible that a towny might think like that it is less likely and hence alignment indicative. Cases are not about 100% scum tells cases like this one are about wine that is harder to drink. The more I read WOS's filter the harder it is for me to believe he is playing for town. As a contrast, Consider Towny Shiaopi... Who told a possible scum about his powers, I expect in full knowledge he might get nk'd for it, but knowing it would leave a trail that could lead back to scum. Town take risks with their own lives town has player lives to spare. In a scum team every player life is precious. This is one of the asymmetries that lets me see a scum mindset. WOS values his life more than seems appropriate for a towny WOS. In this post WOS breaks for me something that is cardinal Rule... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19703054 If a probable towny appears to be doing something especially getting a read on me, I try to do nothing I can to interfere. Axle what do you think of Rayn? (BTW the answer is nothing while i am talking to WOS.) it goes on for a while And after I leave that happens to be about when WOS has done enough 'scum hunting...' and has a break. Lynch WOS today | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: The one thing that really stood out to me was this post in response to Axle: Show nested quote + On September 09 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright finally back. Axle, I know how you play and I am in no mood to be tunneled into infinity by you if I don't answer your questions exactly the way you want them. I'm telling you right now I'll answer your shit once, and if it's not how you like it, too bad. I've been out of this game for too long and I'd really like to get back into it, and defending myself from shit that I'm honestly going to have to look into my own fucking filter to find answers to because it was like 2 weeks ago is not scumhunting. Is there some sort of history here? Because I don't feel Axle has tunneled anyone this game. In fact, Axle has been really slow to draw conclusions which I actually give him towncred for. He seems willing to listen to arguments and tries to make slow deliberate decisions. So where is WoS coming from, when it comes to this post, if anyone can answer that? As it is easier for me than you to find it. specifically. I swear this is normal mini mafia had a superficially similar place, and probably the basis of "Axle, I know how you play and I am in no mood to be tunneled into infinity by you" me coming back to stuff I had been on about earlier. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18869999 (Gravman is WOS(town) I was scum) I had chosen gravman as my best plausible mislynch (or as wagon i could run and not flip...) ( I had run out of others having given town reads BH and some more) case much earlier as he was neither low hanging fruit nor too big a target. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18879764 See other post. I found the suddenly going after rayn... See this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19702961 more interesting because It doesn't involve me | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh Axle you bring up a good point. Whenever you tunnel me, you happen to be scum! Are you scum, Axle? Nope I am town, and not tunnelling you. I am catching you. | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Once again, I say this: if I was scum, why in all that is holy would I bother returning to this thread and draw attention to myself when I could have coasted through the rest of this game? (like VE) Whether or not you think I've been doing a good job since I've come back or have proper motivations or 'agendas' that point alone should remain clear. It would be fucking STUPID. I dont think so. VE is a flipped 3rd party. You are not the equivalent of VE. You AFKing would have got you lynched. It was not you that drew the attention.. it was my posts saying i had questions. | ||
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On September 09 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Axle: Can you make a clear consolidated post on why you think WoS is scum? I agree with him your posts are hardto read and i do not understand much of them, i would probably act like WoS is atm if i was in his position regardless of my alignment. WWas there some part of this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19707284 that was not clear? I tried hard to make the spoilers hide whatever details you didn't want to examine. | ||
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On September 10 2013 00:14 Stutters695 wrote: 3p is town for all intents and purposes unless we determine they're wincon revolves around killing. They may be that to you... 3P often require enough time to achieve their wincon and thus actively play against one side or the other. | ||
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On September 10 2013 00:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay well zentor didnt hes gonna get crushed, my point is we need a lynch >.< I have one I prepared earlier? | ||
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On September 10 2013 00:40 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2013 00:39 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 10 2013 00:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay well zentor didnt hes gonna get crushed, my point is we need a lynch >.< I have one I prepared earlier? I really don't feel comfortable with a WoS lynch. Bleh. Would more or better case help? How much better? | ||
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ATTENTION + Show Spoiler + Scum RB'd Shiaopi N2. Shiapi claimed the RB. As WOS says the plan was to include me in the mason QT. That did not happen. Alakslam the Scum RB was removed from the game D3. No one RB'd Shiaopi D3, Shiaopi sent in the request to add me to the "mason QT". (hi WOS) Shiaopi died but the Mason QT lives on. Apparently Shiaopi does not have to be alive for the "Mason" QT to still operate. WOS has not been entirely truthful about what he said happened in the Mason QT with Shiaopi. In this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19703097 On September 09 2013 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote: ...... He volunteered his role info (minus the KP only being usable on mason members for obvious reasons) to me despite me not having provided any reads or information to him yet. This is not what happened. Shiaopi did not "volunteered his role info" WOS specifically asked for information about the role. When Asked Shiaopi replied and explained the mechanics of 4 Players ... gave him 1 shot KP. Later WOS specifally asked if the KP was on mason members (more role fishing) at thatpoint hsiaopi lied and said it was "normal" KP. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2013 01:17 AxleGreaser wrote: Meh I will just get too tired to do it properly if I let this lynch roll around in the thread to see if anything useful falls out. ATTENTION + Show Spoiler + Scum RB'd Shiaopi N2. Shiapi claimed the RB. As WOS says the plan was to include me in the mason QT. That did not happen. Alakslam the Scum RB was removed from the game D3. No one RB'd Shiaopi D3, Shiaopi sent in the request to add me to the "mason QT". (hi WOS) Shiaopi died but the Mason QT lives on. Apparently Shiaopi does not have to be alive for the "Mason" QT to still operate. WOS has not been entirely truthful about what he said happened in the Mason QT with Shiaopi. In this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19703097 On September 09 2013 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote: ...... He volunteered his role info (minus the KP only being usable on mason members for obvious reasons) to me despite me not having provided any reads or information to him yet. This is not what happened. Shiaopi did not "volunteered his role info" WOS specifically asked for information about the role. When Asked Shiaopi replied and explained the mechanics of 4 Players ... gave him 1 shot KP. Later WOS specifally asked if the KP was on mason members (more role fishing) at thatpoint hsiaopi lied and said it was "normal" KP. So your entire scumread is because I said 'volunteered?' as a response to my asking? Ok you're right, I asked him but I used the word volunteered because he answered my question before receiving anything from me which showed me his towniness. I was not lying at all and you're calling me scum based on semantics. The fact that you were added to the QT (AND DIDNT FUCKING SAY ANYTHING) means Shiao was concerned over you being scum at some point as well since you could be shot if he added two more people. Why would you not try and get reads from me in QT rather than simply spy on me? I told the truth about absolutely everything in there. not out here though http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19703124 On September 09 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote: He actually didn't provide many reads of his own for a few days. He thought Geript was scum, though kita was town/hassy scum....maybe a townread on Hiro since he stopped trolling? He seemed genuinely confused by all the debears/OO shit.. haha reading through this QT again it seems I actually provided most of the reads and details. No wonder he (said he) trusted me. Oh and again I forget if I mentioned this but you were his second proposed mason target, Axle. His reasoning he gave when he recruited me was 'because he had trouble reading me,' so I suspect his reasoning may have been similar, possibly to keep you close so he could shoot you if necessary (if he though you might be scum). He was apparently RBed so that never happened. In the QT Initially SHiaopi stated he was NUllish to town on Axle. Later. Stated he would recruit Axle because he had solid town read on him.(Axle) | ||
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In clarifying WOS said he would not have thought Shiaopi would have thought Axle was scummy. Not only did Shiaopi say he had solid town read on Axle just before he told WOS he would recruit me, but WOS claimed he would have thought shiaopi would think that... There is not confusion WOS simply conveiniently made up that "so I suspect his reasoning may have been similar, possibly to keep you close so he could shoot you if necessary (if he though you might be scum)." | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Axle, has WoS had any idea you have been in the QT before you said so in thread? None at all I have posted nothing in the thread. I wanted to see if he would report what was in it accurately. If you go back and read our friendly conversation you we will see me doing it now... | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2013 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 10 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Rayn, why is Axle almost certainly town. I am not sure of it any more because of the QT shenanigans. Apparently WoS has tried to talk there and Axle has not? I don't see your rational pre-QT shenanigans. I read him as completely 'Axle does what he wants' wildcard. I have not posted yet.. I can any time I like, but i do have read access to the entire log from when QT opened. answers to questions I just posted in the QT 42 (6x7) Anything it wants. (what do you give a 500lb canary with a machine gun?) | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Got cut. Okay so, Axle is saying WoS has been lying in thread about what has been talked about in the QT, correct? WoS did not actually know Axle has even been in the QT, correct? Yep lying is a challenging word. it is now up to the thread to gauge what I posted above. WOS bent stuff a bit to make him look better the way he described Shiaopi volouteering information about the role makes it look in this thread like Shiaopi trusted him enough to just offer the information. The truth is WOS asked. Got told about 4 mason and 1shot KP. Then asked specifically again if the KP was only on mason members. At that point Shiaopi did lie and say it was normal KP. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What does all this QT shit have to do with alignment anyway? WOS a possible towny or a possible Scum. Lying about what another flipped towny said in the QT. | ||
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The reads in my Vote to Lynch post. The posting during the today when i asked him about the QT, didnt feel right to me. It looks like hes doing anything to end the conversation That he then lies about Shiaopis reward on me and and how he got the information about Shiapis role. it all feels rather non townie to me. Thats why I voted. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2013 01:39 AxleGreaser wrote: On September 10 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Got cut. Okay so, Axle is saying WoS has been lying in thread about what has been talked about in the QT, correct? WoS did not actually know Axle has even been in the QT, correct? Yep lying is a challenging word. it is now up to the thread to gauge what I posted above. WOS bent stuff a bit to make him look better the way he described Shiaopi volouteering information about the role makes it look in this thread like Shiaopi trusted him enough to just offer the information. The truth is WOS asked. Got told about 4 mason and 1shot KP. Then asked specifically again if the KP was only on mason members. At that point Shiaopi did lie and say it was normal KP. Alright let me ask you something. Even if you are right and I did lie about the fact that I asked Shiao, rather than in being a semantics issue, how does that make me scum exactly? The point is, he gave me tons of info on him before I gave him ANYTHING on me, or answered any of his questions, which is what gave me the townread on him. Why am I scum because of that, Axle? Cause and effect happens the pother way around. Because you are scum then you lie. or but not in your case How bad would it be if I lied about what you said in the QT? I haven't, but I could and I would probably get away with it this once. If you are town and you have lied about that QT then from now on when you are town I wont believe you. Lieing about what was in that QT is really bad move as town. I want to lynch you, for the lie and because I don't think your silly enough to have lied as town. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Here is my 6th post in the QT: Here is my 9th Show nested quote + Yes, but I won't be for much longe. You're welcome to answer any of the questions I asked you. the 7th and 8th were Shiao asking me if I was around. We missed each other a lot as our times were apparently very different. (WANT TO CONFIRM THAT TOO AXLE?) Shiao then gave me all the role info like Axl said, minus the fact that KP could only be used on masoned people. Shiao did not ask me any questions before this point. I wan to check if we can quote this QT as you just have... The giving you the role info was when you asked. Then you asked again If the KP can only be used on those you have in mason chat. This is different to him volunteering info. Also see the distinction between your representation of his read on me and the truth which is he said he had a solid town read. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait Axle, what the hell? Why are you not trying to find out if WoS is scum in the QT? Also why do you bring this up only now? What have your night actions been throughout the game? I still have access to the QT. We can still use it. All i have effectviely done is what WOS did and claim I am now in a mason with WOS and can see the old log between him and Shiaopi. As well as whatever benefit if any that is to town. I also tested to see if WOS would be truthful about what was in the QT. I have then as accurately as I am able presented what WOS said and what was actually in the QT so as you can make your own judgement. Do you have something more pro town I could have done? | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh for fuck sakes. Fine better for me to claim now than later. You'd better force some shit out of Axle though for this. I'm Edward Elric the Fullmetal Alchemist. 3P survivor. Does that fit with all of the theories people have about me now? All except the one where I wondered why Shiaopi was such a priority as to get a role Block one night and KP the next. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Axle, explain exactly what your role does. Name and all. Why? | ||
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On September 11 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok some random questions/comment: What was up with Black Mesa? WHO THE FUCK WAS YI Is 8-man scumteam and that many 3P really balanced? ( I assume it is given town roles but jeez) Town and scum each having basically a 6-shot vet? Wat? I don't think my body was quite ready for the chaos that happens in an Aperture game. (Speaking of Chaos...what was that? Was it used?) Also, I find anger works really really well for me. No hard feelings Axle? I didn't mean any of it, I swear! :D Any of what? I have not seen you post anything angry since the game ended? | ||
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On September 11 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2013 12:49 austinmcc wrote: Axle did MORE than just tunnel WoS. Axle was the towniest poster at the end of D3. Risen was arguing for scum doublebus, hiro was part-arguing for that as well, Axle was just kind of sensibly pointing some stuff out and posting not in his usual style (at least as I remember the end of that day going). He was maybe doing some voting plan D1, occasionally questioning people, everyone seemed to forget about the rest of the game whenever anyone did a single noticeable thing. I had Axle as megatown real early on. I don't know why people had such a huge issue with his posting in this game. I found him WAYYY more readable than usual. (Again maybe contrasting him with Alakaslam in my mind worked in his favour.) I think I forgot my own read of him when he pulled his shit on me yesterday though because it was such scum Axle. Oh man where is fuba? I know he replaced out but this would have been 3/3 won games for us! At best (your experience of) Scum Axle is when I tunnel you, but you are town? | ||
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On September 11 2013 16:08 yamato77 wrote: when I am one of the best N1 shots and I'm barely reading the thread, you know this town was fucked. Ironically, later on, it became obvious to me that the Clarity I thought worthy of my protection N1 was actually mafia because he was not only alive, but also entirely useless. A problem you would have faced in the thread, was how would you have gone about getting clarity Lynched. Some time ago in game I played someone pointed out that knowing who was scum is all well and good if you simply cant get town to believe you and lynch them, its pointless. | ||
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On September 11 2013 23:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote: Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him. It should never have gotten to the point where axle was forced to claim or get lynched. He was pretty clearly town. Yeah, him just afking looked bad but you have to consider the possibility that he's actually just not around. Playing for a significant fraction of 48 hrs of a game day then getting lynched when I am either not there, and people seemingly being oblivious to the time zone I live in where it is between 3AM and 10AM my time so if I have been awake for the 5 hrs before 3am I might currently be ..... I used to just accept that my time zone was something I would need to keep pointing out but then later when I read my own games back, doing so (frequently explaining why you are or are not in the thread) reads as scummy, so I stopped doing that. But yeah currently I am having a hard time seeing how I can ever decide to divert that fraction of my RL time to a game to then get lynched for not spending effectively every hour out of 48 in the game. It has taken me a while to piece together what I did real early D1, as I was so tired from driving 1400km home and I wrote very little of my role speculations down. However as I piece it together. It was really early D1 when I decided my role looked like it had a catch. It looked like it could heal a lot of people...(awesome), but, In practice it couldn't do almost anything, + Show Spoiler + If I played scummy enough (low hanging fruit scummy) to get just a few votes in a contested lynch they would most likely be by the people I thought least likely to be town/most likely to be mafia and especially most likely not to be Nk'd shot as scum would know they were voting for a towny, hence wrong about their reads. Hell I was doctor most likely to be able to save the good vig shots. It was effectively almost a VT with claimable name.+ Show Spoiler + Sweet. Really. in which in some game changing role madness thing where everybody votes as directed or gets lynched kinda BS, where large swags of stuff could be done (but only for one cycle as I was also unprotectable). As playing mafia on TL is like herding cats, that was unlikely to happen, and also not the game I wanted to play. So Yep my early D1 conclusion, I had an effective VT. + Show Spoiler + I am really rather pleased with myself that i managed to think of my D1 shenanigan. The trouble with claiming was if I explained the role mechanics, then I presumed scum really ought have some counter power. (while in D1 I didn't know what the counter might be...) Clarity's : (-2) Invert target player’s role for the current night. .... <<<fits the ticket nicely. Would have turned the Doctor that is Awesome and doesn't suck into a mass murderer any night scum:Clarity chose and had the greymist points. So yeah given the actual roles and powers that existed in the game, me deciding D1 that unless I was given a very good reason to claim, then I just never would turns out to be about right. I also decided D1 that as I am really bad at either doing or guessing how much time is required to shenanigan a lynch, I would never last minute claim. When I went to sleep, my best guess was no one would meet my criteria "given a very good reason to claim" and I really did think town really could not reasonably lynch me... especially if I might actually be asleep. Thus the best chance town had to use my power was to never claim. At that time(when I went to sleep) I had no idea how dead in the water town were, (that is a lot of scum, omn the basis of balance I had assumed scum had few extra 1shot nks, not a few extra players.) the option of me getting lynched also seemed pretty good for town, as I reckoned any scum that really wanted to lynch me that day would only have total BS reasons for doing so(and they did). If had been awake and seen Hiro was the counter wagon that would have distressed me rather a lot as even though he fitted my criteria for when people voted D1, his filter read town to me. But well apparently town had in the previous 48 hrs when I had been tracking down that WOS was not town aligned had developed no better plan than to lynch someone because they wont do what we say. (Claim) meh. | ||
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On September 12 2013 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey you know, it's just one of those things. Whether because I'm annoying or right, I'm a favorite early NK. I offered to protect you 3 N1, for two reasons. I hoped something might fall out of a non towns willingness to go along with the plan. It was i believe harder for both VE and Clarity to reach the decision to go with my plan than BH. The logic for you three apart from the advertised, you wouldn't wreck the lynch (make it a no lynch... and try to claim ooops) was also that you three (two if Geript really did it) were if town, you were good scum nks D1. It is also fun (but not necessarily useful) the order in which BH Clarity and VE swapped to vote me at the end of D1. bearing in mind how much self preservation matches each alignment and hence how complex the decision was for each. | ||
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On September 13 2013 10:24 gonzaw wrote: It's kind of funny. On Aperture 1, I was town, you didn't play, I won. On Aperture 2, I was town, you were scum, we both won (mindfuck right here). On Aperture 3, I didn't play, you were scum, you won. So...what will happen on Aperture 4? You are scum, I am town, we both lose? The circle must be completed... EDIT: Or: I don't play, you don't play, we both win (somehow). Yeah, that's it! You already did http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17456622 | ||
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