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On September 18 2013 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I always try to tell myself to try a different style before the game starts, and then I never do. Bound by the shackles of fate etc etc I always tell myself I won't rage, and I swear I might have made a whole game without raging a single time if not for occasionally getting drunk. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:03 Koshi wrote: Who isn't town? Not me. | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:08 kushm4sta wrote: Asking for modkills was a joke mostly. Obviously it wasn't going to happen. Telling them to stop spamming was definitely a joke. Notice how I used 2 posts unnecessarily and thus spammed myself This is useless/bad/filler | ||
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On September 22 2013 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Risen, could you answer me about what's your read on marv? Didn't even see the question. Don't know, seems ok to me. He wasn't in my last game so he really only knows my play from a long time ago, I'm not holding his push on me against him. Football and magic prerelease today. | ||
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On September 23 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so, you called me out for "defending VA and Coag". Marv did the exact same thing, at the exact same time. Why is he a townread for you and i am (am i?) a scumread for you? He's done more than defend people. He attacked people and give short, concise reasoning for doing so. | ||
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On September 24 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote: Lol wtf is the point of all these detailed as Fuck vig lists It's so people can look active without actually doing anything. | ||
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On September 24 2013 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Here I'll give you a useless bit of self meta to chew on. If I were scum, I'd be loudly arguing with anyone calling me scum in an attempt to look emotionally invested for your benefit (if you're town, which I think you are). Whether you like that I point this out now or not, you know the truth in that statement. Not raging against attacks (I still rage against what I view as stupidity, but recent games have shown that I am equally capable of being just as stupid as the people I rage against) is not an indicator of alignment. Using meta on yourself doesn't work. Other people are supposed to use meta to argue against/for you. If you're aware of your meta, then you can change your actions at will. | ||
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On September 24 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote: FT is a decent shot primarily because he might be mafia but also it gives us lots of information on the wagons. Knowing if it was town/town or town/mafia would be really nice. Risen I'd like to see dead for being a worse version of coag. To repeat, his reaction to the lynch was "rofl" and his only contribution since then was saying something that VE had already pointed out in his own post. Since when is self-excusing fillpost a good post? | ||
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On September 24 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote: Since when did he say it was a good post? why respond to it, when you've not bothered playing any of the rest of the game so far? you specifically chose to respond to a post which already pointed out that what it was saying wasn't worth much. Just totally useless. Are you scum? Did you just say in effect "Why are you pointing out bad posts? That's just filler"??? | ||
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Again, pointing out filler/scummy posts is not scummy. That shit is pro-town. The only useless thing I've posted all game has been On September 24 2013 06:34 Risen wrote: If VA is alive at daypost I'll be pretty surprised. which I just felt like posting. | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Why don't you tell us Risen? Has it reached that point with marv yet? Do you think he's scum directing conversation/filling post history? Or do you think he's town conversing with me about inane stuff? I don't know or I would have posted with much more conviction. If I die marv would be the first person I would want lynched after VA/FT, though. If he flips red I think it makes you look much worse. Equally you flipping red makes him look much worse imo | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:55 yamato77 wrote: deconduo calls me out for the small content in my filter are you serious Why is this a bad thing? | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Would you like some wish to go with your wash?  Fair enough. Point stands, though. I'm just pointing out something I think isn't pro-town. That isn't necessarily saying you two are scum shitting up the thread, it just says "Hey look at these two circle jerkin it over here. Isn't that weird? Why would town do this? If they're still alive after VA/FT are dead they deserve some hard looking into and this is a point against them." | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:03 marvellosity wrote: I think Risen is on drugs Disagreeing with me is fine, but you should probably post reasons for doing so. To me this looks like scum trying to set up something down the road with "Hey Risen is still alive. Wouldn't it be CRAZY if he was actually scum? I mean he hasn't done anything particularly scummy, but Risen plays CRAZY! Look here I had a feeling early on he was being CRAZY." | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote: no, i just think you're demented, nothing more. You're going to have to poke harder if you're trying to get a rise out of me. More useless filler from Marv. Don't remember this from town marv. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote: thoughts on Ceph VE? Or anyone who cares to read it? On September 23 2013 11:01 Cephiro wrote: Okay, voting for LoneMeow because: 1) He's appareantly a new player I have no idea of 2) He started martyring which is something I dislike 3) This Ray guy on a quick look doesn't look like he should be killed 4) I have no idea about this FirmTofu guy 5) Some other wagons that were in the last votecount have players that I'm familiar with and am able to read during nightphase Wat... Worst justification for not voting FT ever. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:32 Pandain wrote: I'll be back later tonight. In case I (somehow) get shot before I come back, here is my last good read(and advice). Emotion makes people towns Basically read any analysis. Scum are the ones who are inherently afraid to post, while town doesn't have that limitation. Because of this, any scum post, unless they're on the verge of being lynched(or a scum mate is), is going to be forced post rather than a genuine one. I think it's very hard to fake an emotion resulting from feeling bad this game. Mafia you don't even really feel bad, because you have a team to rest it on. You weren't playing bad, you were playing "well", simply as mafia. They didn't know. But if you're town and others criticize you, that hurts. Gertript is known for pulling off crazy tricks. Or at least, he did it in Aperture. This post is too genuine for me. First, scum don't say they don't feel the game as an excuse. Actually to be fair they definitely can, but I have never seen a scum use an excuse like that. Because scum actually do feel for the game, it is hard to post posts which go against directly what you believe. To clarify further, being interested in the game(having a feel for it), and being interested in solving it are the two distinctions between emotion in mafia. Is this clear? Gertrip if you're reading this, I know how you feel. I felt exactly the same way in a weird Caller Japenese themed game. I was sure that Ace was scum but no one believed me. Eventually I was convinced I had no idea what to believe. And I hated it because I was confused. Keep at it man, and look at Palmar. He improved so much despite people constantly shit-talking him. Don't give up, and look at other people besides DP. I don't think shooting him is a good idea, even if you think he's mafia, because he is so strong later on. My gameplay from every game I've ever played in invalidates this. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote: How many vig claims have we had now? I remember someone saying earlier that they have believed exactly ZERO of the, what, 5 claims or something we've seen so far? And for good reason imo. The issue becomes, how do you know you're GOING to be seeing more of him tomorrow? I am wary of giving too many players free passes to 'see' what they will do because that will often bite one in the ass (ie Kush). I'm not even sure I agree that his out-of-left field attack on you is ballsy at all. I don't know if scum have a reason to fear you atm. You've done a lot of decent posting, but not a lot of pushing/accusing, let's say? TBH I don't know who scum are afraid of atm. I can't really think of the major active posters who has done a great deal of pushing aside from maybe yamato. I'm not a vig. I didn't claim vig, either. | ||
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On September 24 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote: I'm confirmed town, so what I say actually goes today. We lynch Sentinel. No you aren't. Unless a doctor claims the save you could easily just be saying you got protected and you're scum. Doctor don't claim, though... that would be stupid. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:59 Mocsta wrote: Maybe, like if you want to discuss him. I won't stop you at all. From my perpsective, we are 4 townies down (luckily only 1 blue.. which arguably was a good outcome.. newbie with parity in a game with framer/GF = mindfucks). Hence, I'm looking at best chance to ensure a scum lynch this cycle. I can say with my heart on sleeve, yes... FT can flip scum.. but the *can* is not confident; and Im not sure how much talking about it, will resolve that. Hes just a selfish*cunt* of a player. I actually really hate FT, and might consider not joining games with him again. [If town.. I just know post-game he will complain about how obvious town he was, and everyone is stupid] Im just saying, I think ppl like pandain and sentinel and lonemeow are a much higher percentage to get that first red blood. Therefore, it makes sense to narrow/focus the towns brain trust on that subset of players. That hasn't been confirmed. How do you know there's a framer/GF in this game? On July 29 2013 05:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: SNIP This is a semi closed setup, the roles are known but the exact number is not. Not all of these roles may be present in the game. SNIP Nitpick here, but it seems pretty scummy to me. It isn't a full blown scumslip, but it's something a townie should realize before posting whereas someone with the knowledge that both roles are actively in the game might screw up. On September 25 2013 01:47 marvellosity wrote: Risen, can you explain this comment? A town VA is someone I'd kill if I was scum. Dude pretty much had lynch armor because of my actions toward him. Though keeping him alive would have made a mislynch onto me much easier so maybe he wasn't a very good kill. My scum reads are Cephiro, FT, Mocsta, Sentinel First three have been explained, Sentinel because of what OO just pointed out. I'm down for lynching anyone here, but would definitely prefer Cephiro or FT. Probably FT at this point. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote: If anyone was curious about my little unvote-vote tango, it was because I remembered/found this: And thought, oh my, we're lynching the doctor! So I unvoted. Then kept browsing his filter and noted that yamato was a scumread of his, so it makes zero sense for him having protected yamato. So I revoted. Because doctors have never tried to hide over being 100% transparent town. Cmon marv... This isn't even a defense of Matt, it's just me pointing out a flaw for your vote/unvote/vote. Why is Matt scum, again? I see no compelling reason to lynch Matt over FT. Marv should know this, especially since he's such a town leader at the moment and of the votes on Matt his is the only one that actually matters. | ||
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On September 25 2013 02:50 justanothertownie wrote: Risen, as far as I understand the set up there are no goons. We have 6 scummers and the possible roles are RB, GF and Framer. We also had only one player claiming roleblock (as far as I have seen). I think it is pretty reasonable to assume there are Framer/GF maybe even more than one per role. When you assume, it makes an ass out of you and me. | ||
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On September 25 2013 04:06 LoneMeow wrote: I'm not against lynching either of Sentinel or FirmTofu, but I think I would still prefer Umasi. He's "kind of participating" but hasn't really said much anything at all. Regarding Cephiro: The apathy in itself is not alignment indicative; I checked some of his earlier games and in those he was active and involved both as scum and town. Where did you disappear? Been a long time since that post, and I know you're not away from your computer... I don't usually bother to explain much since in my experience it just gets one lynched, but since you asked: I'm having some pretty big IRL issues both physically and mentally due to my injury. And I feel like a bronze player dropped into grand master league. Please update the first post with current players after the replacements and new deadline. What a scummy defense making it try to look like the problem with Cephiro is apathy over the glaring faults in his posting. | ||
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1) He's really given up, in which case the lynch will go through or 2) He's going to come back with some sweeping thing revolving around his play just being something he was using as a talking point for people to gauge reactions hohoho genius plays and claps all around. Either one is stupid. And that's really all there is to it. Stop talking about him. | ||
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On September 25 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote: Risen. Do u have a reason to call me scum, other than a supposed scum slip.... P.s. no goons in this game Ok? And I don't like where you led discussion to. | ||
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On September 25 2013 11:17 Mocsta wrote: As in mattchew? I was asked to look into him. Anything else of issue? Not anything that the thread would like coming from me, so no. | ||
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On September 25 2013 12:45 Mocsta wrote: Or. Mod didn't want to do two flips in general. It's not like chairman could come back into the game. It was a fuckup and u get that unfortunately. That came off as judgmental on the hosts, when I meant for it to be me agreeing with DP that FT was scum benefiting from a shitty situation. FT got saved d1/was in the process of getting saved when lynchpost happened early. Today FT starts as the clear candidate to be lynched and has for reasons unrelated to his own posting is being saved again. | ||
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On September 25 2013 13:44 iamperfection wrote: risen what do you think of firms day 2? I think he's been told by his scum buddies to keep quiet and not to mess things up for himself and more than he already has. | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:33 Mattchew wrote: Why are you in a tight spot? I've pretty much been soft defending you for a while now and if you flip green people will relate my "defense" of you to VE/me as scum from many moons ago. That's how it would look to me. | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote: ?? I read his whole post before responding. In the followup discussion with Mattchew, it was apparent that he did not address the crux of the case; as he had to provide more information. Anyways, did you like Mattchew response? I thought it was fine. Not particularly alignment indicative and the fact that he's getting lynched over someone like FT seems really stupid. | ||
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On September 25 2013 22:53 iamperfection wrote: mattchews defense looks real i would say town on him plus it wasnt just defense he gave some reads and seems like he is trying to put 2 and 2 together. Cephiro lynch would be ok maybe like 55 60 percent. Shity way for him to play as scum but i could definitely see a scum using his constant ill totes contribute later and just never do it. panda bear guy im not so hot on for his lynch. Basically it isnt super clear who he wants to lynch the most right now even though he said he aims to do that today. like with mattchews defense i don't really know who i want to lynch either so i don't think that's a smoking gun. best course of action would be just to see what he does today. That's pretty much how I play as scum. Don't see why it would be so hard for other people to play that way. Again, lynch candidates should be FT or Cephiro. I would prefer a FT lynch over Cephiro, but I do think both are scum so I'll lynch either. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:21 marvellosity wrote: no, but the same can be applied to Cephiro. Why is Cephiro coinflippy and Risen the best chance for a lynch right now? No? Really? I'm on the same level of thread exposure as Cephiro? | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:44 iamperfection wrote: Can you stop being annoying you said you were going to give me room to operate in order to prove my alignment instead you do this crap. If I have a question I'll ask it. And in fact I already asked a question to risen and he didn't directly answer but he says ft hasn't preformed well this cycle which I vehemently disagree with. What question? And what has ft done to make you think that way? | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:01 Pandain wrote: You're a part of it. You were gone for the lynch and haven't contributed shit I left very clear instructions on how to proceed. Real life came up, and I fully expected to come back to an FT or Cephiro lynch. | ||
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On September 26 2013 18:22 Umasi wrote: he fake claimed doctor to push through a lynch, and then the dude flipped doctor. pretty obvious Fair enough. No worries, though, town is horrible enough to not lynch him tomorrow or shoot him tonight. I'll place my vote on him tomorrow and wait for town to screw it up. | ||
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Someone please, please shoot me tonight so town will kill Mocsta, Cephiro, and FT. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:08 marvellosity wrote: you dying and flipping town does not make it any more likely we kill your reads. you should know that. I do. I just want to die and watch town ignore my instructions so I can weep silently. There's just something about my reads that protect people more than hurt them. I can call someone scum and they're pretty much guaranteed to live another cycle. It's kind of ridiculous. Maybe it's me not making sense. Maybe it's town always being bad. It's probably a little bit of both. Ah well. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:36 marvellosity wrote: because like Risen the game revolves around him even though they're both bitpart players No. I think that's what is wrong with TL towns, they can't take themselves and look at the game from a perspective outside of themselves. My problem is that I don't know how to explain my reads properly. Don't say that shit about me. | ||
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1) cephiro 2) mocsta 3) firmtofu And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap. | ||
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On September 27 2013 10:55 geript wrote: Wtf. You think Marv is scum and tell us to lynch his scum read? Lynch this motherfucker. I didn't think marv was scum. If you read the second half of my post it clearly said scum can't let marv live with the way he was directing town. Even if he was wrong it goes against scum trying to control the lynch. As you can see, he died. TL;DR: Geript learn to read, ##vote: Cephiro | ||
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On September 27 2013 11:31 geript wrote: That's an awful heuristic. Scum talk about who the kill all the time. That isn't the point of it. Risen wrote: 1. Marv is scum 2. If I get shot and Marv doesn't, lynch Marv's guaranteed scum lynch first Tell me that is any sort of town thought process. He doesn't want to push the Marv point too hard but he also doesn't want to get away from the bus/mislynch/whatever Ceph flips. Hey look two scum buddies having a ball in thread. | ||
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On September 27 2013 11:33 geript wrote: How is "And somewhere find a way to kill Marv" supposed to be read as? You should probably read the line directly after it. No one is this bad, this isn't OMGUS I'm throwing out, here. Geript is scum who got caught trying to change the lynch and now he's scrambling. | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:07 Mocsta wrote: Risen. Can u cut out the name calling.. it's makes everything read as emotional. Both of u have raised fair points and there was an easy answer to Geript pressure which you did not provide. I'm a bit concerned by that to be frank. Anyways I asked before. Who is the other 3 scum. Surely you are not relying on association flips to make reads? No one cares what you think, all you are is scum posting in the thread making it harder for townies to filter through everything. | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:22 geript wrote: So now you're trying to suggest that you thought Marv was bussing a teammate? I'll be straight up before you slipped I didn't have a single solid scum read. Also, now who's trying to... I believe the phrase you used was "nitpick?" You're not even actually trying to push a reason for why I'm scum. Just "I no scum. U scum. Ppl see how he scummy right?" Answer my questions or I will bully this whole thread to vote you unanimously. If you think anyone above the intellect of a monkey will read this and go with what you're trying to push you've got another thing coming. Scum guarantees are: Mocsta, Geript. My top scum reads outside these two are Cephiro and FT. Rest of town find the last two on your own. Peace. | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:30 iamperfection wrote: your a joke if your town risen a fucking joke Why? Because I let myself get pissed at two scum buddies tag teaming me thereby neutralizing me from the game? You're probably right. I'll go cool off. | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Fuck you I'm taking Mocsta down. ##Vote: Mocsta Lynch Cephiro first, don't split and confuse town. There's a single target right now, stack on him. Splitting has no advantages right now and can only confuse people. | ||
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On September 27 2013 13:06 ObviousOne wrote: Risen for scum MVP I'm confused as to why my meltdown is worthy of such praise. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:12 Mocsta wrote: LOl... i appreciate the agreement.. but, was I not a scum read for you prior? Do you think I am bussing Mr.CC with that case? Yes. I always talk to my scum reads, I just flipped my shit b/c Geript. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh, ninja'd. Risen did the same thing as, admittedly 3P, in Aperture for D1. Keep him around for a while. Otherwise the other 3 seem OK for now. On September 26 2013 02:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I quite agree with that's how scum can play. You were in Aperture; As scum I saw the entire game how people on my team were playing -- apart from the couple actives they were all lurking and barely contributing unless their hide was on the line. The only other times Mr. CC has said a single word about me. Then this. On September 28 2013 01:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta, this is because Risen is mafia. No wavering on Risen being crazy, nothing else, just flat out calling me scum. Town players wouldn't display such certainty. If he's willing to claim cop right now with a different or same check on me and another player I'll gladly 1 for 1 (1 for 2 in the worst case scenario of him saying different with me and another townie and you guys not lynching him for three days in which case game over) | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:21 Mocsta wrote: But, you aren't really talking to me? OK, how about this. Cephiro is getting lynched this cycle. If im scum, and Mr.CC is scum.. What do I have to achieve by pushing out this case at this point in time? If im scum, and Mr.CC is town, again, what do i achieve by pushing this out now? You were the one, who said, Cephiro promising to keep coming back is classic scum play that you would use; so i would really appreciate your thoughts on the above. 1) Juicy town cred and the title of "Best scum play 2013" if it works since "no one would ever fake claim doctor to get the doctor lynched then bus his teammate who had been flying under the radar" 2) You get the appearance of scum hunting which is townie, since Mr. CC appears to be scum to at least one townie (me) | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Risen, I'm not cop wtf? The fact that I said you are mafia was based on your shitty post about me being mafia. Your reaction is hilarious btw. Assuming I have a red check on you... Afraid of something? ? It was a hypothetical I was throwing out, not a statement I would stand behind. I didn't call you a cop, why are you overreacting? Mr. CC is acting in the exact same manner as Geript. Both have looked for the tiniest thing they could latch onto and are causing a shit storm in an attempt to divert attention. This is not town play. The town play, if Mr. CC truly thought I was scum, would either simply to have been calling me scum, preferably before my calling him out but timing isn't the only thing that matters, or building a case on me. Instead we have a very Geript-like reaction. I think scum Mocsta saw Geript flailing and wants to get away as soon as possible to avoid the train wreck. Mr. CC has decided to try and push with Geript instead of back down from him like Mocsta. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:28 Mocsta wrote: (1) I know you have a mafia award for "best scum play" but this is far fetched even for you. (2) The whole point of the "streams of consciousness" is for anyone doubting my alignment, to read what I have wrote. Read the posts, and read my comments. Do your thoughts align? Seriously, as scum, if im bussing Mr.CC its not going to be for something as detailed as my streams. WAY too much effort for the same net benefit of writing 3 lines saying Mr.CC is scum. #2 isn't pro-town play. Maybe you don't know this, and I wouldn't blame you. I used to do something similar to the stream of consciousness thing you're doing until it was pointed out to me. Your stream of consciousness is very similar to a list post. Probably the worst things about list posting is that 1) you're giving out town reads (bad) 2) you aren't providing consolidated cases. In the case of 1, if you are a towny, it points scum where to shoot. In the case of 2, in spite of your more unlinked posting style, due to the nature of your posts they aren't cases. They're just what you call them, thoughts. They fill up a lot of space and don't further town agenda, but they make you appear active. Stop the stream of consciousness, no one cares what you think (no worries, I still think people care what I think sometimes, too). People (townies) want to be shown cases so they can come to the same conclusion you come to independent of what you think. | ||
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It's so unaligned with town regardless of anything that it has to be punished. When making plays like that you're pretty much fulfilling the traitor roll. I'm a huge fan of big plays, I love them, but only when I'm scum. Scum are the only ones who can afford to make big plays because the potential payout is so huge and scum has access to nearly all information. Acting on such limited information means town should not ever make big plays like that. | ||
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On September 29 2013 14:58 iamperfection wrote: wat are one goal is to lynch scum not punish stupidity. And what could possibly be more scummy than fakeclaiming doctor to kill a claimed doctor? "Scum wouldn't do something like that because they know they'd get lynched!" Really? Because it looks like Mocsta isn't getting lynched right now... so viable scum play? Fake claiming doctor was scummy as shit, Mocsta needs to die. BEFORE Mocsta, though, I think the people who tried to start movements away from Cephiro need to be examined. From a town perspective, there was going to be no other lynch. Proposing another lynch had only the potential to confuse people and allow for scum shenans (at that point they still have 6 people and once momentum starts elsewhere some idiot townie is bound to follow). The people that immediately jump to mind are Geript and VE. | ||
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Should I die, kill Mocsta then Geript then only after both of them are dead and only maybe VE. Do not get swayed from this. Mocsta big play was extremely scummy. That's the bottom line. Don't bring "that play is too crazy for scum to make" logic into it, because it was an illogical play and that's what a scum Mocsta would want. On top of this, since his actions he's become a leader of discussion. This means we have someone who made the scummiest play I've ever seen in my life leading conversation topics. No. Geript next because he's been harping on me STILL. He tried swaying the lynch away from Ceph at a time when that was possible with bad town play. I'm serious, his defense is probably either "Oh Risen top scum read so of course town me presses on him". No. Other defense possible would be "Oh I knew no one would swap but I wanted to pressure him". Still no. Lastly VE, who tried swapping to someone I can't remember at this point. I told him it was not town, and he continued. To me that reads as someone who figures if they stop it will be considered wishy washy and scummy. A town player wouldn't worry about that and would just keep the pressure up. Scum player would worry and keep the crazy on b/c he would try to appear consistent. This is reaching, though. After those other two are gone there will be like 6 more days of filter to look at for him, so no hurry. Other person I would want to see dead for want of seeing his color would be Mattchew. Why isn't he dead yet? He looks like he's trying to front as a hiding blue. I'm pretty sure that's what he's trying to appear as, but even with that there's just not enough effort from a town hiding blue and I feel like I remember Mattchew being good at mafia. | ||
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On September 30 2013 07:24 geript wrote: Let's see did risen try to point out how either Moc or me are scum? Nope. He's not even bothering. I normally wouldn't respond to you, but this post just strengthens my points so I'm going to quote it. In spite of trying to pressure me, he continues to not read my posts fully. I very clearly outlined why both of you are scum. Mocsta: Most scum aligned play I've ever seen saving another scum player. Geript: Attempted to move the wagon away from Ceph, who we now know is scum. Continues to not read the posts of the person he harps on. | ||
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If I die remember my earlier list. Kill those people. Lynch 1 Mocsta Lynch 2 Geript Lynch 3 FT Lynch 4 and 5 (I'm not as confident that these two should be lynched) Matt, VE | ||
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Defends Mocsta, wants to lynch VE over Mocsta. Fin | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What if they're both scum? I believe they are. 90% believing someone is scum vs 60% is a significant difference, though. | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Lynch VE instead of Risen plx. I had a townread on him forever as well which is why I don't particularly favor lynching him right now. Just realized looking votecounts that Risen has throw away his vote on both d1/d2 lynches. Yeah, d1 I wasn't playing the game. D2 I wanted Cephiro lynched and went AFK for a majority of the day expecting an easy FT lynch. If you look at my posting I didn't actually start playing until N2 | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We don't know if FT is scum or not. So pushing FT over Ceph isn't scummy. How are you not connecting the dots here and seeing that Geript already knows the alignments of people. | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:56 geript wrote: But the fact that he was pushing FT over Ceph while he had a mysterious scum read on Ceph isn't scummy to you? Does anyone even fucking read what I post? At the time of the post you are quoting it was D2. What had Cephiro done at the time of my posts to make him more scummy than FT? | ||
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On September 30 2013 12:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why the fuck does nobody think I'm scum anymore? Why do you say that? I think just about everyone in this game is scummy, I'm just more vocal about the people who I can remember being scummy (had completely forgotten about sentinel until geript posted him in my scum read earlier) | ||
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On September 30 2013 12:02 geript wrote: Fine then your loss for being anti-town for not listening at all. Lynch who you want. I'm fucking down. MZ/Sol please modkill me I'm done with this shit and am not going to post ever again in this thread Thank god. | ||
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On September 30 2013 12:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We are going to lynch VisceraEyes, unless he comes back and provides us some good solid content to contemplate. Mocsta, Pandain, Cephiro, geript, ObviousOne This list is shit. This isn't town VE's list. This list is almost identical to mine, but he's scum and I'm town? That makes no sense. | ||
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You said I was a strong town read, which is as close to town as possible. It's like when I call geript scum, I don't know 100%, he's a scum read. | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:04 geript wrote: First off, now you've modconfirmed I'm town and Risen is scum Second off, getting myself modkilled in no way helps town since there's no way I'd get lynched ever Third, go ahead and get me banned. I don't give a fuck about that. This game as been so awfully run that I wouldn't want to continue regardless Fourth, are you on fucking crack? He did not, I'm town. | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:19 iamperfection wrote: risen can you please be town because this becomes hilarious if your are. I'm town, and I can't believe Geript is town. Horrible. | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This makes me lol. Consider it as part of one sentiment carried out over multiple posts. | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:32 iamperfection wrote: Hey risen do you read like any of my posts? Yes, I don't understand what you mean by this | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:51 Pandain wrote: Right now based on contribution I would have to say Risen, CC, and I are most likely town. Which is a good starting point at least since I do consider almost everyone scummy, including you guys. I don't understand this. Mr. CC hasn't made any waves and only popped up on my radar this past night. | ||
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I mean thread impact, as in I don't remember anything about him and wouldn't have known he was in the game excluding his play from last night to now. | ||
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On September 30 2013 14:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Cop here Coag different than dead townies lynch him But yeah getting VE lynched will be fun. His reactions are usually telling. It's possible I'm just bad and should be lynching stutters or something, but killing VE is always fun. This makes me happy. This makes me so unbelievably happy since I literally just thought about filter diving to find people who for one reason or another thought Geript was town and Coag was the first name that popped into my mind. ##unvote ##vote: Coagulation | ||
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It is really interesting that you would claim the check right now instead of tomorrow night, though. Why are you claiming now? Isn't VE the one you wanted lynched in the first place? Why not wait to see if VE lynch gained traction? Then you get the person you wanted and potentially another night before you have to claim (then it's smart to claim your check right before daypost in case you get shot and you get another check potentially). This claim makes no sense. Why did you check Coag in the first place? Why didn't you check me? | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Risen, I'm not cop wtf? The fact that I said you are mafia was based on your shitty post about me being mafia. Your reaction is hilarious btw. Assuming I have a red check on you... Afraid of something? On September 28 2013 01:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Risen assumes he couldn't have been framed as well. Lol. This line of posting makes no sense to me now. How have you completely discounted the potential for a framer after calling me on it earlier? | ||
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##unvote ##vote: Mr. Cheesecake I know I was the cop who claimed red check and got myself lynched somehow over the person I claimed red check and said anyone who ever voted for a cop with a claimed red check was an idiot (I think I did anyways), but this is way different from when I did it, I think. | ||
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On September 30 2013 14:26 Pandain wrote: God where are other players. This is too much, I think he's just drunk guys Why are you defending him? I get drunk and post all the time | ||
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On September 30 2013 14:29 Coagulation wrote: Im inclined to think I got framed honestly. The VE lynch should stay. How are you ignoring the fact that he targeted you.... what framer would target you? It doesn't add up at ALL. Your defense to his red check is to say "I'm a vigi, and pretty much confirmed town because of my KP use" and then you turn around and say you were probably framed? Wtf? | ||
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1) He checked you with a cop check N3 2) A framer targeted the vigi claim N3 | ||
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On September 30 2013 14:32 Coagulation wrote: well what the fuck risen. Why would he fucking claim he was cop and red checked me when im confirmed town already. thats way more retarded than any other scenario. Because he forgot about you being nearly confirmed town? He fucked up? He made a mistake in the heat of the moment when he thought he could get you lynched? That's a lot more likely to me than considering for 24 hours and choosing to check you. Who were his previous nights checks? | ||
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Risen's list of people who should be lynched Mocsta/Mr. CC (for fakeclaiming in ways only scum would fakeclaim) Pandain (for defending Mr. CC with information he shouldn't have had access to) | ||
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D1 Bad lynch, but what can ya do it's d1 shit is cray D2 Mocsta fake claims saving Cephiro D3 Cephiro has to go, no one can find anything townie about him D4 Mocsta is in trouble here, his fake claim saved scum and he fake claimed doctor to lynch a claimed doctor. How can we dig ourselves out of this? I know, have Mr. CC fake claim! Then Mr. CC will come out and declare that it was indeed all a silly ruse, since who would fake claim a cop check on coag. See? Townies can fake claim, Mocsta isn't the lynch. Lynch VE. | ||
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On September 30 2013 14:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Pandain you're town, right? You have to be town. Why? Because he's defending you? If you're town shouldn't you be questioning why he immediately defended you? He's the reason I find it almost impossible to trust that you could be town making a horribly bad judgement call. | ||
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On October 01 2013 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: VE BEING TOWN DOESN'T MAKE VE RIGHT! JUST SAYIN I understand that. I'm pointing out the error in OO's logic. | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote: There are a couple of things I don't like. For starters, he was appealing really hard at marv leading up to the LM lynch, telling him to come back and to post and blah blah. But if he really had this super town read on marv, it occurs to me that he would have wanted to lynch marv's preference, Cephiro for that lynch. Especially considering iamp had "suspicions" of his own: Look at the size of this post! It's huge! But it says very little all things considered - little blurbs about every player. Of note, he's got several scumreads in here, but during the lynch period when it's uncertain and people are looking at other candidates for lynch, iamp is nowhere to be seen. I mean he's there, but where are all his scumreads from the post above? Why is he not trying to lead a lynch onto someone else? But in spite of this, he DOES have time to defend Cephiro: ...and throw shit at the Dr claim: I feel like this post needs to be revisited in thread, as well. I would be happy with an iamp lynch after Mocsta. I hadn't even considered him, but how does he have town reads on FT here? How does he have scum reads on so many people who have flipped town? I don't think iamp would have reads this bad. I don't blame him entirely since my reads on Geript (a town player who plays anti-town) and VA (a day 1 read) were wrong, but iamp has played enough to also know that list posts like this aren't pro-town. | ||
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On October 01 2013 07:22 ObviousOne wrote: WHO IS ACCUSING ME OF LOGIC? STOP THAT THIS INSTANT. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rIMVRD7.jpg) Let's play a game. I'll vote for myself and won't fight my lynch if you agree that tomorrow you go up on the block and vote to lynch yourself. I'm down for a 1 for 1 and you're one of my scum reads, atm. You down? | ||
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On October 01 2013 08:05 strongandbig wrote: geript wrote a good case and he's confirmed town now i'd vote iamperfection too, ve's case was also good. but why do you think risen's town? his post just now on oo was terrible. Why are you defending someone who just claimed scum by posting a scum read on Mattchew? | ||
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BUT just to be fair, let me get this straight. You expect us to believe that as a town parity cop you... 1) Made this series of statements earlier and are now expecting us to believe you didn't consider it with VE + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2013 14:25 Risen wrote: This line of posting makes no sense to me now. How have you completely discounted the potential for a framer after calling me on it earlier? 2) made a breadcrumb that isn't actually a breadcrumb and didn't breadcrumb your checks throughout the game 3) want to totes kill Mocsta for fake claiming when you yourself did the same (but totally a joke, guys) followed by this nonsense. No. Sigh....... my vote is like a hot potato. Why does everyone in this game have to make such scummy posts while people like Rayn are sliding through the game and stutters is breaking promises for posts (which is what I do as scum) ##unvote ##vote: Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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On October 01 2013 11:20 kitaman27 wrote: Reason for leaving FT out of your list Risen? None. Can easily be 5. Just wasn't in my mind when I made the post. Like Stutters, sentinel, and probably others | ||
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On October 01 2013 11:36 ObviousOne wrote: Lemme see what he's done d3/4. Will return with read in a bit. Guess I gotta close HL2 =[ Risen does it look like rayn is going out of his way to interact / cast doubt on his teammates if your list is correct? I don't even know what rayn has done this game, but I don't know. He's perfectly capable of bussing if that's what you're asking. | ||
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The only people I'm comfortable lynching today are Mocsta, Mr. CC, OO, mayyyyybe FT. If I were to vote FT it would be only because he got saved D1 and has subsequently done nothing the entire game. Like... if you got saved wouldn't you play the game? He's not actually a scum read because of his posting, though. He's barely above any other lurker. A lurker to me is someone who I can look at their name in the player list and think "I haven't thought about this person in a long time/ever." That list is so long... so, so long... | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:47 justanothertownie wrote: It probably is his attempt to not appear on the wagons for the 4th consecutive day. And that may be the case, but we have someone pointing out scummy play vs someone promising day after day to do things that he just isn't doing. I think the person to lynch here is clear. | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's actually a really good point on deconduo. What do you think of iamp Risen? Why is he alive? | ||
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On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote: people that i have no clue or somewhat not sure stutters- i Have no idea he is almost always useless Kush- Whiner complainer who knows. Says he is sick which i could see him lying about. See if he actually replaces Umasi- Still like the point that firm brought up and he really hasn't talked about the game much. some of the things he talked about regarding sent seem weird i guess? Like i don't really understand the point he is trying to make but he seems just as confused as me so hey maybe he is town. VisceraEyes- Like i dont get his apathy earlier but he has said some things that makes sense botherd to show up and seemed to care about the lynch. Maybe that a sign he is town because he seems somewhat all over the place like his thoughts kind of change pretty fluidly recently with regards to me so could be trying to figure things. ------------------------------------- Scummers cephiro- i sheep marv Decondu- Regardless of what cephiros alignment is i think he is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=191#3813 His reasoning is makes no sense and he never explains even when called out for that crap. After being called out he does absolutely nothing up until the deadline. No discussion no attempts to figure out alignments or establish his innocence. Combine this with terrible activity but ability to be around the lynch apparently. He isn't hunting scum because he is scum. Sent- this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1699 say absolutely nothing on a major topic while subtly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. Also didn't like his response to the claim. He just immediately believes it and i know he had a town read on him but still townies are naturally supicious he dosnt go look he dosnt freak out much just proclaiming ha i was right fuck you guys i don't see the figuring out of alignments near the deadline Risen- Hes not contributing he is just calling town bad and has apathy that i think is fake. All he does is shit on town and say herp derp town not listening to me. He isnt trying hard to push lynches. Townies want to lynch scum and it seems he just wants to over exaggerate town mistakes and complain rather than hunt scum. im also having a hard time finding a ton of definite scum reads so i think its possible that molango slot could be scum or an active scum but i have a hard time finding active scum unless im super familiar with them. | ||
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continuing... into On September 30 2013 13:38 iamperfection wrote: Ve I would have to take a very long look if he actually plans on not commenting and posting his list all day I'll kill him though Stutters I could kill Ft no | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I maintain that the first post you quoted brings up nearly zero new evidence and simply brings up things others have said before It isn't just the first post. It's the first post rolling into the second I meant to post. I'm not saying iamp is town, I have a null read on him because I think he might know too much and that's why his reads feel good. This is me saying he shouldn't be the lynch today because a scum member (if he's scum) who's going to give us knowledge backed reads with cases is someone I would like to keep around. If he's alive past tonight I'll be shocked. I'd kill him if I was scum. Or I'd kill me. I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:12 Mocsta wrote: You are an absolute moron. I made a case on Stutters days ago. But, of course its bussing even though the things I wrote are the exact same problems you all have with him now. Fucken imbecile you are. My post was a defense of you. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote: FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five. I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though. Are you scum? | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:43 kitaman27 wrote: Stutters seems like the most likely mislynch bait in my opinion. I don't think a "liar lynch" really makes sense, since a town or a mafia player really wouldn't want say they are working on a post, then never deliver. There is no scum benefit for saying something like that and then going away. He has been pretty much absent the last few days. I can see him being town, I can see him being mafia. I would much rather go after a player with a filter that you can actually analyze when a kp is one the line. How can you say this and have FT at the top of people you want lynched? | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: /sarcasm: Nice defense..... I'm getting concerned now though, because I know I am town. I also know Geript had a solid case on you; and I dont recall you tearing it down. (Just checked filter, and you definitely didn't respond to it) Yet you parade in here, trying to control the lynch. Where did your FT read go? Do you actually read anything I write? How about you fucking stop being a cunt and go read what I fucking wrote. If you're town don't ever fuckin' talk to me again. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote: It isn't just the first post. It's the first post rolling into the second I meant to post. I'm not saying iamp is town, I have a null read on him because I think he might know too much and that's why his reads feel good. This is me saying he shouldn't be the lynch today because a scum member (if he's scum) who's going to give us knowledge backed reads with cases is someone I would like to keep around. If he's alive past tonight I'll be shocked. I'd kill him if I was scum. Or I'd kill me. I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). Would a town Mocsta really miss this part twice? Three times now? | ||
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1) Calling out bad reasoning is a thing I do. This isn't even anti-town, it's pro-town. Geript viewing it as a scum play is just him trying to make posts fit his case. It's a symptom of a bad mafia player. 2) Of course it was easy, I made a post, saw FT's horrible post, and since I already had them both as scum reads it made it easy to switch to FT. What's scummy about this? See point 1, it's Geript forcing my play into his view he holds. He's bad at mafia, why are you even reading his cases? 3) I didn't try to discredit anyone, I pointed out an error in his play. Anyone who ever posts "I am confirmed town" before they flip gets scum points from me. It's a seriously scummy thing to do. It made me entertain the idea that Yamato was part of a big scum play. That isn't pro-town at all. Geript once again shows that he's a bad mafia player by saying I was dirt flinging here. Dirt flinging is calling someone bad, which I do plenty of, but I wasn't doing that there. 4) Out of nowhere? I straight up say it's a nitpick in the same post, but at that point I don't have much else to go on with people. His point about anyone reading the OP and expecting a framer in the game is bullshit, and if he wasn't so horrible at mafia he'd know it. The list of roles in the game was a potential list. For all we know there is no framer in this game. We have Mr. CC claiming someone framed someone else, but he isn't flipped. He has to be killed by scum tonight, if he's still around tomorrow he's going to appear very scummy to me. And Sent isn't out of nowhere, I very clearly say I agree with OO's point on Sent in the same post. I still don't get good vibes from Sent, but at this point it's more because I don't really remember anything about Sent's posting in a 275 page game. 5) Fairly large nitpick. I have so much filler in my filter and he goes into a post with actual content to find filler? I posted the line in question because at the time I had a null read on Matt. I didn't want my defense to be construed as me reading Matt as town and therefor defending him. In a very similar manner, my recent defense of Mocsta doesn't mean I have a town read on him. 6) It was a scummy defense, I called LM out on it. Sure we know he's town now, but he wasn't confirmed town or even a doctor claim at the time he made it. Cephiro was one of my top scum reads at the time, and this defense of Ceph didn't sit well with me at all. Geript, still being bad, calls it shit flinging when it very clearly isn't. The guy needs to play in some newbie games, this kind of play isn't even acceptable in newbie games. It's downright atrocious. 7) Finally a solid point. Sure it's a hostmeta post, but when I made it I didn't feel it to be bullshit at all. 8) I don't even understand this. In the same post where I call FT scum I'm saying Cephiro is someone I could easily lynch, and then Geript says he isn't a scum read. This is just a case of Geript, once again, trying to fit me to his preconceived notions. He's a bad mafia player, why do you even read anything he posts? Because he's confirmed town now that he's flipped? The backdoor argument is the only thing that holds water in this point. 9) FT was my scum read over Cephiro at the time. I was stating my intent to leave the thread, but that I would swap over should Cephiro become a candidate over FT. Unfortunately, I wasn't in the thread for the rest of the day or I would have moved my vote. I think that about wraps up how utterly horrible Geript is, and how horrible Mocsta is. We already knew Mocsta was horrible, though, so no suprise there. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:26 Mocsta wrote: There is zero defense of me; unless you are referring to me being your #2 scum read, instead of #1. If so, you're still a fucking imbecile. The Geript case is awaiting. 1st green That is a defense. It's me saying voting Mocsta at this point is because you're bad at this game. It's insulting to you, sure, but it's also a defense. 2nd green Also a defense. You're not the most pro-town player, and I acknowledge that in my defense of you, but I'm saying anyone voting you needs to make an actual case or their vote is just scummy and not considerate of how bad you are at the game. The post was a defense. You're bad at mafia, go play in newbies. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen, which one of iamp/Stutters/FT you want to lynch over others and why? Stutters, easy, because of what I've posted. I think it's very scummy calling Stutters an easy mislynch that's being pushed. I understand paranoia, but who has been defending Stutters? No one. There is literally no defense of Stutters' play that holds any water, and yet FT has more votes than him and FT has actual things in his filter that can be defended. | ||
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On October 02 2013 02:00 iamperfection wrote: risen do you think rayns voting for me is bs? Yes | ||
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On October 02 2013 02:06 iamperfection wrote: do you think its scum bs or is he being bad? In this game I don't know, normally I'd say scum. I very recently played with rayne and I swear he wasn't like this. It makes me think he's purposefully playing different to mask his meta with me, which I think is scummy, but might not be. | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote: Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had. You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too! | ||
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So Iamp, Stutters, FT Focus discussion on these three alone | ||
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Iamp looks scummy, but has had some good reads. Does he know too much? I don't know. It's something to look into later for me, but as long as his reads and actions line up with mine I don't care. Stutters has lurked and done nothing pro-town this entire game. His posting is even anti-town! His voting is anti-town. 0 pro-town about this guy. Lynch him stat. FT has made cases, has pointed out someone I feel is scummy when there was no thread action towards his target (decon). It has felt like #stagedhype to me for a long time. Then again, his vote on VE wasn't pro-town at all D2 and there's a lot of scummy shit in his play. He's null to me. He's certainly done more pro-town things than stutters, so why the hell lynch FT over stutters? | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:33 kitaman27 wrote: Are you satisfied with iamp's explanation about ceph caring about the lynch? No. I think iamp is scum, I'm just more convinced stutters is scum. I'm super mcdown with this game becoming a choice between iamp and stutters. I prefer stutters lynch. I just don't want FT lynched. | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:42 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think stutters is lurking or stutters is absent? Right now, it seems to me that he is simply gone, especially with his "In my hometown for the weekend" post. How convenient... I don't care what he's doing. He was sick, now he's gone. That's great. For what little he has been here he has been scummy | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:56 Pandain wrote: We have 5 hours left, plenty of time. No it isn't, and I've already stated how I feel about decon. Why are you so scummy? It's like you're scum trolling the shit out of the thread | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:04 Pandain wrote: Risen, why should we not lynch decondou ? Not enough time. I don't trust you. FT made the case on decon and he's your primary lynch candidate why? Your logic makes no sense pushing decon over stutters to me. If you think decon is scum you'd be having stutters as your primary lynch candidate. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:10 Pandain wrote: Every reason I am suspicious for in Stutters is also found in decondou. Furthermore, there are additional reasons to be suspicious of decondou. And yet FT is your top scum read. | ||
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Deco is my lynch target for tomorrow, just lynch stutters today. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:12 Pandain wrote: Answer me now do you think decondou is scum or are you trying to avoid a lynch on your scum buddy. If you think decondou is scum and I have proved he can be lynched given the top canidate only has four votes, why are you not voting for him. Your logic is failing and dumb. If you are town I will give you 10 minutes while I take a shower to look over filters and give me a good response. You don't fucking understand. The top candidate has 4 votes. There are 5 scum. We need to pile onto someone so scum can't do very small vote changes to control the vote. | ||
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The best way to do that is to lynch stutters. Just. Fucking. Lynch. Stutters. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:15 Pandain wrote: But stutters has clearly shown to not give a fuck and may very well be modkilled. Why waste a vote on him which is a shot in the dark and may end up being wrong? If you think decondou is scum vote him with me If you feel that way then vote iamp. Just get your vote on someone who matters and isn't named FirmTofu. Do it now. I don't care if you change your mind later, just get someone above FT so that scum has to commit 2 people to lynching FT | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:17 Koshi wrote: Sure. He is on my list. Now I remember why Risen is on my scumlist. Dnu, I still dislike him more than Pandain. Risen is scum. Ignore last transaction. Wat. Why am I on your scum list? | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:18 Pandain wrote: Stop talking about Iamp your cases on him are shit. Then get on stutters. Now. Wtf are you waiting for? | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:19 FirmTofu wrote: @Pandain *fistbump* I like your thoughts on deconduo. Gives me some perspective on his meta, thank you. Okay, so iamp is really weird for me. When he made his post of reads, I agreed with most of them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=160#3185 I figured it was unlikely for scum to have nearly the exact same reads as I did, so I put him in my town list for a while. Then all hell broke loose and I realized that most of my reads were wrong. Where does that place iamp? Well, iamp isn't scummy for being wrong because I was wrong and I'm town. Then, I have to consider whether he is scummy for buddying me throughout the game. I would say yes, he is. If he is scum, he knows I was wrong this entire time. He can use me as a tool to lead the town in the wrong direction by lending credence to what I say and do. I would say that iamp has clear scum motivation in his play. However, this does not mean that iamp is scum, necessarily. iamp may have been buddying me because he genuinely agreed with me. iamp could have made honest mistakes, just like I did. As of right now, I'm leaning scum on iamp, but I cannot be certain. Wtf are YOU doing with your vote? What the hell is wrong with you? | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:20 Pandain wrote: Because decondou is more scummy then stutters? I'm not a mindless town conformist who attacks people who might be scummy and agree with town sentiment but instead go for the best lynches? You think decondou is scum, why not go after him. Is he more likely to flip scum then decondou to you, and if not then why. There is more to this game than just lynching your top scum read. Your opinion means absolutely nothing if scum organize a small vote swap at the end of today. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:23 FirmTofu wrote: Kita asked for my thoughts on iamp, so I gave it to him. Right now, for my list of scummers, I am at: Deconduo>Mocsta>Koshi>iamp>others. If Deconduo or Mocsta lynches gain some steam, I'll be voting them. Otherwise, I will take my pick from the top lynch candidates. Don't worry, I will not waste my vote. How is stutters not on your list? Like just not even on it? How is he left off of people's list? He's just as scummy as decon | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:42 Pandain wrote: Basically you guys are dumb listen to me and lynch scum Then why the hell isn't your vote on stutters. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:39 Pandain wrote: Basically why shoot people you laid suspicions on, I don't think his actions have been scummy instead just bad play, posts like this indicate he's going to contribute which is better then decondou, Trying to get people to comment on his case indicates town as he's pushing for the reads he has LOOK AT WHO HE SAID TO DOCTOR! OH SHIT GUESS WHO GOT SHOT More indication that he's thinking and contributing. The development of reads here is what makes me feel he is someone who knows too much. But at the same time maybe he's just a townie who has developed his reads based upon his reading of the thread. Regardless, this makes him less likely to be scum than stutters in my eyes. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right? Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up. And where the hell has stutters done anything that would make him more likely to be town than iamp? How is this even a fucking thing? | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote: Maybe I'm better then you? His reads were shit but that doesn't make him scum. What do you think of decondou? The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot? Maybe, but your play since coming into this thread today has been extremely scummy. Last second vote swaps, cases made in the last hour, defenses of someone who should be playing better? I'm not ok with a swap onto decon, and I'm not ok with a swamp to pandain, but I'm down to see him swing tomorrow. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:56 Pandain wrote: Hey Rayn you're retarded or scum vote decondou or face my wrath later. No one cares about you. Your wrath is as effective as the baby panda. | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:26 Pandain wrote: raynpelikoneet Scum I've posted before while he looks scum. Weak analysis of me, no real focusing of people, just agreement. Contrasts with his town play in Golden Sun mafia. Notice only person he proactively pushed is Koshi, who he stopped pushing eventually anyway. Despite vote being so close, left two hours before, doesn't make sense for super-active-mafia loving Rayn. Posts like this are bad. Why Not just bad play, scum play What happened to this? | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:18 FirmTofu wrote: I'm sorry guys, I'm feeling a bit down about mafia right now. I'm going to take a break and be back later. I don't want to post things out of anger. Why have you done this to me... why have you just pulled a stutters. Why... | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:10 Mocsta wrote: I went through Deconduo filter to see his last post (to check if he would be getting modkilled). This came 7min after the cycle started; so I suppose he won't be modkilled. My current list Confirmed Town 8: ObviousOne -> No counter claim on RB 15: Coagulation -> No counter claim on vig Probable Town 1: strongandbig 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 29: justanothertownie Null 2: raynpelikoneet -> Really disappointed he didn't push FirmTofu to address my case yesterday. 13: Mr. Cheesecake -> Claims cop and then disappears? 19: [UoN]Sentinel -> Activity is too sporadic to get a feel for where he stands 23: Risen -> Has pushed Stutters in a really town-like way; but I felt he did not address the crux of the Geript case. 30: Mocsta -> I have included myself here, as many seem uncertain of my alignment Scummy to some degree 10: FirmTofu -> Why has he continued to ignore my case? 11: Pandain -> Keeps ignoring me, and then comes out with a last minute vote on Deconduo. Need to filter 14: Decondou -> The vote backflip on Cephiro makes no sense 16: Stutters695 -> Clearly doesn't care about the game, and made a token post 17: iamperfection -> Acknowledged my case as good, but then didn't break it down I am sticking with iamp On October 02 2013 09:40 Mocsta wrote: Thats why I said, as the game progresses; the RB doesnt make someone confirmed town. My read on JAT is independant of the RB. I wish he was more forthcoming with his reads at this stage in the game; but he hasn't done anything to make me doubt my read. So, still scummy then... | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:44 justanothertownie wrote: What the hell are you talking about? Mocsta has OO confirmed town in his list, I say something along the lines of RB claiming not making someone confirmed town, Mocsta says yeah RBs don't make someone conf town, OO on his conf town list, disconnect does not compute | ||
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I would switch to decon if there weren't so many scummy people on him. Isn't he about to get modkilled? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah risen, kill me plz, ofmg, this is horrible.. ? There's no possibility for you to get lynched right now. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:39 iamperfection wrote: i can scum On October 02 2013 10:39 Pandain wrote: I can but would prefer decondou. But him over iamp for sure. scum I'll be voting iamp. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Catching up on thread, starting from top of 276. You've got this. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:48 Pandain wrote: This town is awful I have no respect for many of you, with flawed reasoning you are going to lynch a highly probable town. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. I tried to lynch stutters. You organized a vote swap that I advised you not to make. This loss is just as much on you if iamp flips town. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:56 Coagulation wrote: stay on iamp. Tell me why stutters is town. I don't care who gets lynched here, but the guy hasn't given any reasoning for his iamp being scum read. None. Look at his filter, it isn't hard it's 3 pages | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:59 Pandain wrote: IF YOU THINK IM TOWN VOTE STUTTERS Well... sorry iamp. | ||
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If I had to guess I would say the scum team was Mocsta, rayn, FT, OO, stutters | ||
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On October 02 2013 11:43 Mocsta wrote: I forgot stutters. Yeah swap him with oo. Risen. I'm not scum and at this point. I could modkill to prove. I'm completely over this game. You have 0 right to be anything but sorry for this game. | ||
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