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On September 28 2013 01:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:17 Risen wrote:On September 28 2013 01:12 Mocsta wrote:On September 28 2013 01:01 Risen wrote:
Not only that Mocsta, but his play, imo, looks very similar to his scum play in our last game together. And even though I'm not one for meta reads, he was scummy last game, too. I just wanted him alive because I needed his soul :< LOl... i appreciate the agreement.. but, was I not a scum read for you prior? Do you think I am bussing Mr.CC with that case? Yes. I always talk to my scum reads, I just flipped my shit b/c Geript. But, you aren't really talking to me? OK, how about this. Cephiro is getting lynched this cycle. If im scum, and Mr.CC is scum.. What do I have to achieve by pushing out this case at this point in time? If im scum, and Mr.CC is town, again, what do i achieve by pushing this out now? You were the one, who said, Cephiro promising to keep coming back is classic scum play that you would use; so i would really appreciate your thoughts on the above.
1) Juicy town cred and the title of "Best scum play 2013" if it works since "no one would ever fake claim doctor to get the doctor lynched then bus his teammate who had been flying under the radar"
2) You get the appearance of scum hunting which is townie, since Mr. CC appears to be scum to at least one townie (me)
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On September 28 2013 01:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Risen, I'm not cop wtf? The fact that I said you are mafia was based on your shitty post about me being mafia.
Your reaction is hilarious btw. Assuming I have a red check on you... Afraid of something?
? It was a hypothetical I was throwing out, not a statement I would stand behind. I didn't call you a cop, why are you overreacting? Mr. CC is acting in the exact same manner as Geript. Both have looked for the tiniest thing they could latch onto and are causing a shit storm in an attempt to divert attention. This is not town play. The town play, if Mr. CC truly thought I was scum, would either simply to have been calling me scum, preferably before my calling him out but timing isn't the only thing that matters, or building a case on me. Instead we have a very Geript-like reaction.
I think scum Mocsta saw Geript flailing and wants to get away as soon as possible to avoid the train wreck. Mr. CC has decided to try and push with Geript instead of back down from him like Mocsta.
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On September 28 2013 01:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:24 Risen wrote:On September 28 2013 01:21 Mocsta wrote:On September 28 2013 01:17 Risen wrote:On September 28 2013 01:12 Mocsta wrote:On September 28 2013 01:01 Risen wrote:
Not only that Mocsta, but his play, imo, looks very similar to his scum play in our last game together. And even though I'm not one for meta reads, he was scummy last game, too. I just wanted him alive because I needed his soul :< LOl... i appreciate the agreement.. but, was I not a scum read for you prior? Do you think I am bussing Mr.CC with that case? Yes. I always talk to my scum reads, I just flipped my shit b/c Geript. But, you aren't really talking to me? OK, how about this. Cephiro is getting lynched this cycle. If im scum, and Mr.CC is scum.. What do I have to achieve by pushing out this case at this point in time? If im scum, and Mr.CC is town, again, what do i achieve by pushing this out now? You were the one, who said, Cephiro promising to keep coming back is classic scum play that you would use; so i would really appreciate your thoughts on the above. 1) Juicy town cred and the title of "Best scum play 2013" if it works since "no one would ever fake claim doctor to get the doctor lynched then bus his teammate who had been flying under the radar" 2) You get the appearance of scum hunting which is townie, since Mr. CC appears to be scum to at least one townie (me) (1) I know you have a mafia award for "best scum play" but this is far fetched even for you. (2) The whole point of the "streams of consciousness" is for anyone doubting my alignment, to read what I have wrote. Read the posts, and read my comments. Do your thoughts align? Seriously, as scum, if im bussing Mr.CC its not going to be for something as detailed as my streams. WAY too much effort for the same net benefit of writing 3 lines saying Mr.CC is scum.
#2 isn't pro-town play. Maybe you don't know this, and I wouldn't blame you. I used to do something similar to the stream of consciousness thing you're doing until it was pointed out to me. Your stream of consciousness is very similar to a list post. Probably the worst things about list posting is that 1) you're giving out town reads (bad) 2) you aren't providing consolidated cases. In the case of 1, if you are a towny, it points scum where to shoot. In the case of 2, in spite of your more unlinked posting style, due to the nature of your posts they aren't cases. They're just what you call them, thoughts. They fill up a lot of space and don't further town agenda, but they make you appear active.
Stop the stream of consciousness, no one cares what you think (no worries, I still think people care what I think sometimes, too). People (townies) want to be shown cases so they can come to the same conclusion you come to independent of what you think.
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Zaragon the sad thing is that I actually have a very strong null read on Mocsta, but he has to be lynched. Not while we have so many clearly scummy people (Cephiro, Mr. CC, FT, Geript) but certainly once those four are taken care of. This has to be done because we can't allow scum in the future to think they can fake claim and get away with it. Fake claiming doctor and getting a doctor claim lynch is the bottom of the barrel in terms of play.
It's so unaligned with town regardless of anything that it has to be punished. When making plays like that you're pretty much fulfilling the traitor roll. I'm a huge fan of big plays, I love them, but only when I'm scum. Scum are the only ones who can afford to make big plays because the potential payout is so huge and scum has access to nearly all information. Acting on such limited information means town should not ever make big plays like that.
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OO you don't want me to hold you, the proxy rage will just blow you up and you'll get banned. I'm seriously happy iamp stopped me.
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On September 29 2013 14:58 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 14:22 Umasi wrote:On September 29 2013 12:51 iamperfection wrote:On September 29 2013 12:47 Umasi wrote:On September 29 2013 12:28 Mocsta wrote:On September 29 2013 12:08 Umasi wrote:
awesome, believe in marv and he shall deliver.
I think we should lynch mocsta tomorrow what has marv got to do with lynching me? He was never pushing me as a primary lynch.This is pretty fucking scummy to do. Explain NAIO! believe in marv and he shall deliver referring to cephiro. lynch you 100% because of policy imo. (policy referring to your retarded doctor fakeclaim) why do you want a policy lynch when we need to reduce mafia kp Because if mocsta is town, what he did is basically inexcusable, and needs to be punished. If he's mafia, A: we caught mafia and B: the ridiculous behavior is punished. my question for you, general masses, is IS THERE A COMPELLING REASON TO NOT VOTE FOR MOCSTA?'there are some reasons he is townie, and he isn't 100% scum...' is an incorrect answer, btw. wat are one goal is to lynch scum not punish stupidity.
And what could possibly be more scummy than fakeclaiming doctor to kill a claimed doctor?
"Scum wouldn't do something like that because they know they'd get lynched!"
Really? Because it looks like Mocsta isn't getting lynched right now... so viable scum play? Fake claiming doctor was scummy as shit, Mocsta needs to die. BEFORE Mocsta, though, I think the people who tried to start movements away from Cephiro need to be examined. From a town perspective, there was going to be no other lynch. Proposing another lynch had only the potential to confuse people and allow for scum shenans (at that point they still have 6 people and once momentum starts elsewhere some idiot townie is bound to follow). The people that immediately jump to mind are Geript and VE.
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I have no idea who is leading town discussion at the moment, but that person is probably going to die. It's in scum's best interest to kill those who are interested in the game. I'm pretty much immune b/c I'm easy lynch bait down the line and give immunity powers to those I call scum, but who knows maybe they're bad and they shoot me.
Should I die, kill Mocsta then Geript then only after both of them are dead and only maybe VE. Do not get swayed from this. Mocsta big play was extremely scummy. That's the bottom line. Don't bring "that play is too crazy for scum to make" logic into it, because it was an illogical play and that's what a scum Mocsta would want. On top of this, since his actions he's become a leader of discussion. This means we have someone who made the scummiest play I've ever seen in my life leading conversation topics. No.
Geript next because he's been harping on me STILL. He tried swaying the lynch away from Ceph at a time when that was possible with bad town play. I'm serious, his defense is probably either "Oh Risen top scum read so of course town me presses on him". No. Other defense possible would be "Oh I knew no one would swap but I wanted to pressure him". Still no.
Lastly VE, who tried swapping to someone I can't remember at this point. I told him it was not town, and he continued. To me that reads as someone who figures if they stop it will be considered wishy washy and scummy. A town player wouldn't worry about that and would just keep the pressure up. Scum player would worry and keep the crazy on b/c he would try to appear consistent. This is reaching, though. After those other two are gone there will be like 6 more days of filter to look at for him, so no hurry.
Other person I would want to see dead for want of seeing his color would be Mattchew. Why isn't he dead yet? He looks like he's trying to front as a hiding blue. I'm pretty sure that's what he's trying to appear as, but even with that there's just not enough effort from a town hiding blue and I feel like I remember Mattchew being good at mafia.
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I don't know how FT slipped my mind. He's on the level of VE/Matt in terms of wanting him dead.
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On September 30 2013 07:24 geript wrote:
Let's see did risen try to point out how either Moc or me are scum? Nope. He's not even bothering.
I normally wouldn't respond to you, but this post just strengthens my points so I'm going to quote it. In spite of trying to pressure me, he continues to not read my posts fully. I very clearly outlined why both of you are scum.
Mocsta: Most scum aligned play I've ever seen saving another scum player.
Geript: Attempted to move the wagon away from Ceph, who we now know is scum. Continues to not read the posts of the person he harps on.
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Someone please shoot me so Geript will just shut up and you guys can lynch him. I don't see a town iamp defending Geript here, either. "Geript is crazy and scum doesn't play with emotion" is the worst defense of a player I've ever seen. Add iamp to my scum list.
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If I was scum I'd be shooting me because I appear to be some sort of cracked out blue and Geript stands to gain town cred when I flip town (why would scum Geript push like that so hard on a towny! His emotion looks so reallll)
If I die remember my earlier list. Kill those people.
Lynch 1
Mocsta
Lynch 2
Geript
Lynch 3
FT
Lynch 4 and 5 (I'm not as confident that these two should be lynched)
Matt, VE
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EBWOP: Don't know how I missed ObviousOne. He's lynch 4 for sure. Matt and VE come after him.
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Double EBWOP: Quick case
Defends Mocsta, wants to lynch VE over Mocsta. Fin
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Triple EBWOP: In case it isn't obvious, I'm saying anyone defending Mocsta is playing anti-town at best, but more likely scum.
VE Is very likely to flip this game due to his play, he's someone other scum can safely bus to get town cred.
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Well that explains why Matt wasn't dead yet. He must've just given up.
Regardless, ##vote: Mocsta
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EBWOP: Why the hell did they shoot zaragorn and Umasi? That makes no sense, they were lynchbait. Bad scum team. Here comes the pain train on a townie from scum team, they must be feeling really confident to waste shots like that.
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Don't know why you'd peg zara as scummy over so many other people who don't do anything.
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Yeah I have no idea why Umasi/Matt would be shot outside bluehunting. Horrible shots regardless. Anyways, anyone other than Mocsta want to give a concise reasoning as to why Mocsta shouldn't be the lynch today? Geript feel free to chime in on me being more scummy than Mocsta, it makes no sense and makes lynch #2 that much easier.
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Mocsta is scum because he fake claimed doctor to lynch a doctor claim (who ended up being an actual doctor). There's nothing else to be said. There is one person who can fake claim like that and get away with it, a parity cop with a red check. Mocsta obviously isn't a parity cop, therefor he is scum and you are his scum buddy.
It's the easiest case ever. It's open and shut.
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So VE is the patsy. Ballsy, but understandable. It's the person I'd push as scum to save Mocsta.
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