EPTAnd the Mocsta happened.
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
And the Mocsta happened. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Anyway, if someone has questions for me, ask now and I'll reply asap. I probably won't be around at the lynch and this may be a last chance to get insight into my actions, reads and opinions. If there are any non-braindead townies around, that is. Unlike these certain few people that are happily herding a bunch of sheep while most of their reasoning is: "I think he's just lying." That scumhunting. Irl trust issues with people or something? Fucking annoying I say. Anything I say is just "You're lying scum, I don't give a fuck." to most of the people. D1 we lynched a blue. D2 the lynch was between two townies and a blue got lynched. This shouldn't happen. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:28 iamperfection wrote: decondu why did you not respond when people were calling you out but the proceed to happen to be around the deadline? Where were people calling me out? Also I usually wouldn't be around at the deadline (4am my time), insomnia kept me awake last night. On September 27 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I find it negated by the red statement that follows. In a game with unknown quantities of roles, a counterclaim wouldn't really do anything to prove whether LM was lying. Verily, we HAD a counterclaim and...he wasn't lying. I had the same thought, but I couldn't reconcile it with the request for counterclaims. Am I wrong? Yeah, maybe you're right. I just can't imagine a scum posting that line completely off the cuff. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:31 Cephiro wrote: I'm starting to understand why people feel frustrated in some games when I pressure them. It's fucking annoying to have several townreads tunneling on me nonstop for the worst reasons ever. And then there are people like kush roaming free all over the place. Anyway, if someone has questions for me, ask now and I'll reply asap. I probably won't be around at the lynch and this may be a last chance to get insight into my actions, reads and opinions. If there are any non-braindead townies around, that is. Unlike these certain few people that are happily herding a bunch of sheep while most of their reasoning is: "I think he's just lying." That scumhunting. Irl trust issues with people or something? Fucking annoying I say. Anything I say is just "You're lying scum, I don't give a fuck." to most of the people. D1 we lynched a blue. D2 the lynch was between two townies and a blue got lynched. This shouldn't happen. To clarify, are you saying that after leaving now, you won't be back for a full 48 hours? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:32 deconduo wrote: Where were people calling me out? Also I usually wouldn't be around at the deadline (4am my time), insomnia kept me awake last night. Yeah, maybe you're right. I just can't imagine a scum posting that line completely off the cuff. right after your vote post on cephiro. You reading the thread? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: D1 we lynched a blue. D2 the lynch was between two townies and a blue got lynched. This shouldn't happen. To clarify, are you saying that after leaving now, you won't be back for a full 48 hours?[/QUOTE] Nope. If I'm alive tomorrow, I'll be completely free later in the evening. So in ~18 hours or so. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On September 27 2013 03:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Looking at cakecheese... Also Really 1 for 4 in the worst case, with one of the four being a doctor. Even if Ceph gets lynched D3, that's still an extra three kills the mafia gets to send in, up to 3 town deaths, and up to 3 less town votes. This is really bad. The trade is 1 for 1, because regardless of whether LM or Cephiro flipped, mafia would receive nightkills, and thus, get eliminated from the equation. Considering how much Sentinel has inputted; that a comment such as the above is his primary concern to make is *very disconcerting*. Especially because its heavily twisted to paint me red... This guy needs to be looked into carefully D4 (D3 should be Cephiro/Stutters depending on vigs) (2) I love how Stutters continues to ignore my case. (He knows I dont have town cred at all.. so interesting.. especially as he says he has read the whole thread); and others have endorsed the case as solid. (odd is it not to ignore??) Then we get this. On September 27 2013 06:14 Stutters695 wrote: And if Ceph happens to be town, Moc is probably just being his terrible self where he gets crazy ideas. This guy is completely setting me up to be lynched as soon as Ceph flips red. There is zero justification given to his conclusions. "probably this is the outcome" but where is the why? Exactly the type of stuff i wrote about in my stream of consciousness on stutters declaring him scum. On September 26 2013 16:25 Mocsta wrote: Stream of consciousness: Stutters695 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Stutters695&view=all + Show Spoiler +
I got a new scum read. Im a little jaded cos some of it feels like bias against extremely poor play; but theres a few things I just cant fathom originating from a town mindset. (1) He never comments on live thread matters -> accept a timely delurk to defend FirmTofu. In fact, the only people he talks about are (Kush, LoneMeow, Chairman) + 1 reference to FT. The 3 in front, are all easy target lurkers; 2 have flipped town. (2) He never pressures his reads (unless you include that Kush case, which he dropped as soon as it didnt get traction) and when you read his justifications, he doesnt actually explain why its scummy behaviour.. its just poor play (3) The vig request martyr is really odd as well. Martyrs seems to be the 'in" thing on TL these days, and its not alignment indicative (as in. auto-town). (4) Can you say this guy is honestly scum hunting? This is beyond poor play, the guy clearly has read the game, and picks/chooses his times to comment. This suggests that there is certainly a motive/agenda behind the posts; yet he doesn't scum hunt. SCUM RIGHT HERE. (3) On September 27 2013 06:55 marvellosity wrote: How are people feeling about jat right now? And why? Are we still writing kush off as probable town? I think Kush is town for same reasons as OO. His filter is identical to smurf + the stutters push (which is obviously association read) As fro JAT, I liked him all game, even when you gave him a 50/50 read. But I felt this push on me was a touch over done (but he could be butthurt i suppose) On September 27 2013 00:40 justanothertownie wrote: Did you not read it pre lynch? It is not that big. I seriously don't like that you turned over this lynch onto LM like that without even reading cephiros filter. Don't tell me you did and the lynch/postlynch stuff is missing. That's not that much either. My comment about not reading Cephiro filter, was after I said everyone is back to null and im re-reading everyone and doing streams of consciouness. When the lynch was on, I prefered Cephiro>LoneMeow. My issue was that LoneMeow wasnt preseent, whereas Cephiro was; and LoneMeow didnt vote Cephrio for survival. I commented about all this in the thread. Its not hard to look up.. (4) Lastly, Yam. I dont hold it against you, that you want to call me scum. If the roles were reversed I am not sure if I could walk away. Seriously, if you want to keep calling me scum; at least have the courtesy to go through my filter and mount a case. All you are doing is taking your interpretation (from memory) of my actions; and slandering me. You have town cred, so some people are instantly buying this. The fact is: I am town, whether you like it or not. My expectation is: If you actually read my quotes, you will see consistency and transparency. You can choose to believe it or not; but I wouldnt do this as scum. I have done a similar thing in ONE game, where I hammered someone in the last minute; but there were four key differences. (1) I was GF - which is possible this game (2) I was town leader - which I am clearly not this game (3) Both my team mates were modkilled halfway through Day1 - and i felt i needed to take a risk (4) The guy I hammered, I had been pressuring all day, so the action was consistent. NONE OF THAT was present this game... it makes no sense as scum trying to play proper scum (which yes, I do prefer over town). | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:36 iamperfection wrote: right after your vote post on cephiro. You reading the thread? So by 'people' you mean you and Cheesecake? Neither of you said anything worthy of a response tbh. If you had actually read my post properly you would have had the answers to your questions. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
if Cephiro is shot as well; go straight to stutters. if Cephiro is not shot (i.e. only 1 vig and its me dead).. lynch Cephrio, then Stutters Its impossible for stutters to be town BUT i can understand prioritizing Cephiro, to gain transparency about the D2 lynch. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:41 deconduo wrote: So by 'people' you mean you and Cheesecake? Neither of you said anything worthy of a response tbh. If you had actually read my post properly you would have had the answers to your questions. why not participate anyways? and those posts aren't an adequate reasoning for thinking ceph is scum based solely on that. Like because he doesn't want to role claim he must be scum??? Really? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
1) cephiro 2) mocsta 3) firmtofu And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Iirc: FT was my partner in Titanic, and I didn't need to defend him. Why would I do it now? If we were partners I'd let him roll on his own, or fabricate a confrontation as that is easy for me to do as scum. 2) I feel I explained why it was scummy. I can elaborate if you don't agree, and I think he still deserves to be lynched. 3) I've been sick and haven't cared to play. If I'm going to get Vig'd I'd rather it be n1 than later when my death honestly affects the game. 4) I haven't scum-hunted, I'll be the first to admit it. What "agenda" am I pushing except that I want to live, which I want to do as either alignment because surviving helps town lynch other people and keys me live in the cases I roll scum. What about that actually makes me scum? | ||
yamato77
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On September 27 2013 10:46 yamato77 wrote: If you're town, Moc, I will be shocked. Like. U really need to review how u pressure and scum hunt. How am I even meant to respond to this? It's just slander yam. I am far from playing a perfect game, but at least I express clearly what my issues with play is. The same can not be said for u. Not once throughout the whole game have u actually explained why I'm scum. Other than he enjoys playing scum... And so what? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On September 27 2013 10:43 Stutters695 wrote: wifom defense. Great work there.Moc; I'll bite: Iirc: FT was my partner in Titanic, and I didn't need to defend him. Why would I do it now? If we were partners I'd let him roll on his own, or fabricate a confrontation as that is easy for me to do as scum. 2) I feel I explained why it was scummy. I can elaborate if you don't agree, and I think he still deserves to be lynched. 3) I've been sick and haven't cared to play. If I'm going to get Vig'd I'd rather it be n1 than later when my death honestly affects the game. 4) I haven't scum-hunted, I'll be the first to admit it. What "agenda" am I pushing except that I want to live, which I want to do as either alignment because surviving helps town lynch other people and keys me live in the cases I roll scum. What about that actually makes me scum? Elaborate.. that's a first for you this game. Please do. More wifom.. I have seen sick town ask for replacements. But this is a first. Vig me... Dodging the crux. Yes both want to live. Your issue is that u keep talking enough to show u r reading and caught up. But then do nothing with it. Classic scum blending. And u were doing it again this cycle I had to comment three times u ignorded my case to illicit a reaction.. that's bad. Town might not retort to a case, but they will acknowledge it exists. U just hopes it died along Sith my town cred Scum scum scum | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote: Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order 1) cephiro 2) mocsta 3) firmtofu And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap. Wtf. You think Marv is scum and tell us to lynch his scum read? Lynch this motherfucker. | ||
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