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On August 09 2013 04:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Way to take the simplest explanation. So I as scum told oats as scum (in a pm, instead of in the qt) that snb shared his rolename. Then, oats, STILL AS SCUM, sent a pm to snb and ACCIDENTALLY told snb that I told him his rolename. What in the flying fuck You think this makes him scum? | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:31 Chromatically wrote: Koshi, why did you propose yourself instead of voting Solstice? | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:26 Acrofales wrote: The Lord Chromatically of Storm's End is continuously sending me useless missives asking me if I am doing something called "roleplaying". He seems insistent that this is not correct behaviour. Are all the Baratheons stupid? Or did you, in your quibbling, manage to elect the dumbest of you all? Really? | ||
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On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: Right so it went down like this. I asked to be lord. Two of our guys are fairly new, and I was concerned with their ability to use the spot effectively. This left me and Dandel. He and I got into it pretty good arguing about which of us is better suited for the role, and he somehow extracted a scumread on me from it because he thinks he is good and I said I'm better (holy shit I'm misrepresenting his ability!). He also claimed I was clinging to some weak reasons for wanting to be lord. I felt the same about his reasons. We were at an impasse, with neither wanting to vote for the other. We therefore both settled on Chrom. Both of us seemed to agree that Koshi was looking shady in PMs, so I guess it was the most natural outcome all things considered. My discussions with Dandel had me leaning town on him. Like I've been telling both Chrom and Dandel though, I really am not comfortable with Dandel as a lord until I am completely sure he is town. As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. Just a total waste of our first cycle abilities. At the time, I had to assume that house KP could even be strong enough to kill someone. So thats another strike. A typical scum player is not trying to be obv scum and therefore is unlikely to be so cavalier with these. The risk of scum Dandel trolling his way to the lynch block and me being wrong with my early town read made him unelectable to me for the first cycle. I pretty much thought that I was better suited. Koshi early on said he was gonna vote for me, but then retracted when he started his own campaign. Chrom preferred Dandel over me because Dandel has easy scum meta. This created an awkward situation. With Dandel refusing to vote me and vice versa, we went to Chrom. Why are you trying to spin this? You literally told me that you were "reasonably sure" that he was town. That's a STRONG read. Now you're trying to say that you were "leaning town", a weak read? As I've already said, catching scum is a far higher priority than the nightactions. EVEN if you thought that the vigi shot was a 100% hp shot, 1 town for 1 scum is always a good trade. That's assuming that he is scum, which you thought was very unlikely (or maybe not anymore, I guess). Look at this from both sides: Town Sol might see this danger in letting DI be lord, and resist DI in favor of himself, who he sees as the stronger town player. Even with a strong town read on DI, he would prefer himself. HOWEVER, once it became clear that Sol wasn't going to be lord, he would switch to his strong town read, Dandel. Town Sol would never switch to a null read because of the chance of wasting our nightactions, which aren't even that powerful. Scum Sol wants himself to be lord above DI, the strongest town player, at all costs. He tries to invent some reasons why, so he starts by brushing him off with "he's not serious enough". Then, when DI looks like a better candidate for lord, he comes up with the scenario where DI blows the nightactions. When he realizes that he can't become lord, he consolidates onto the weaker town player (myself). AFTER he does this, he slips that he has a strong town read on DI, without realizing that this is inconsistent with his actions. Which one of these sounds more likely? Do you really think that Sol values these nightactions THIS highly? | ||
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On August 09 2013 08:19 Acrofales wrote: Screw paraphrasing. You LITERALLY said: "I am willing to reconsider my stance if you are willing to tell me the plan." How am I misrepresenting anything. That means: tell me the plan and I'll leave you alone. Did you expect him to reconsider without knowing the plan? What's your problem with this post? | ||
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On August 09 2013 11:21 s0Lstice wrote: There is no spin, my lord. My position has been clear and consistent. It's obvious you disagree with it, but I don't see how it makes me scum. Do you believe that I believe that Dandel will out himself as scum if he is scum for any given game without any outside help? If so then my argument holds water. Also, reasonably sure is not totally sure. I said I would consider Dandel for lord once I am totally sure he is town. I saw no reason to do so while there was still any doubt, for the reasons I mentioned. This is ridiculous. You will only consider voting him when you're 100% certain he is town? That will never happen, barring a DT check or something. I have a very hard time believing that any townie wouldn't vote their strong townread for flimsy reasons like the ones you've said. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks these reasons are weak. It just makes much more sense from a scum perspective than it does a town perspective like I said earlier (starting off by brushing him off as not serious, then only coming up with the nightaction explanation later after DI was a serious candidate). | ||
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I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with). As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today. Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol. On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote: I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing) Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment. | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:27 Grackaroni wrote: meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI. Sol has made it clear what his reasons were for not voting DI. Why would you invent your own reasons instead of using the ones that Sol actually used? What would your read on Sol be if you were using his stated reasons? | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:39 Koshi wrote: And now I see that Chroma is also fine with killing me. Chroma and DI are just playing the same game but have chosen another member in the house to tunnel / FoS... Are you calling me scum with Dandel? | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:40 Koshi wrote: @ Chroma What is your opinion about DI. You are not allowed to use meta. Town. He's active, pushing his scumreads, and isn't constructing his posts unnaturally. | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:46 Koshi wrote: We are with 2 then... Who are DI his scumreads? You? And Solstice? | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:48 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think I'm really inventing my own reasons. s0lstice not voting his townread from a scum or town pov = irrational. town it's illogical, scum not a logical move because it makes you look scummy and is so easy to avoid. he clearly was angry at DI. He came out and said that he wouldn't vote DI because if he was somehow scum he would just get caught d1, shoot a townie and waste the check. I read into that a little bit deeper and decided that I thought this was his thought process. "F DI, he's not better than me, if he's scum he's just going to be obv scum and use all our powers, f that I'm voting chrom. You are inventing your own reasons. Sol has said that he still believes in his reasons and would use them again. He's defended them even though pretty much everyone disagreed with them. It's pretty clear that he wasn't just rage-voting me. If you think that Sol not voting for his townread is illogical, do you find it scummy? Do you think that town Sol makes regularly makes illogical moves like that? | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:54 Koshi wrote: And who are your scumread? Solstice and me.... So boring... What's your point here? | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:19 Grackaroni wrote: @Chromatically, what part of my opening post gave you scum vibes? On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote: Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?  Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. Scum come into the thread unsure of what they should post. This looks like you're trying to find anything that you can to post about, and none of it is concerned with finding scum. Providing some townreads and a null read do nothing to help find scum, and show an interest in "contributing" rather than looking for scum. I like how you reacted and explained the Sol situation though, so maybe not. | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: It´s everything that happened in his house. Do you give Oats scumread because he said everyone is town in his house and didn´t even explain anything? How can Grack possibly have scumreads if he thinks everyone is town fron N0? What would you suggest he contributes as scumhunting for his first post? This is Oats' first post: On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote: So who is scum so far from the 6 houses? my house seems pretty townie Does that look like a fake contribution to you? Grack's first post was an explanation of useless reads that don't help town. It was trying to look like contribution without actually being any, ie scum. It's not that there's no scumhunting in his post, because that can depend on what happened in your house. It's that the post is trying to look helpful by providing reads that actually don't help. | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:57 Grackaroni wrote: They absolutely could have helped if Xata was willing to argue with my reads in the thread like I had wanted him to do. But apparently he prefers tunneling in private and then not using any of the responses he gets to influence his reads. But instead he chose not to respond to me and then came back in later and said that my post generated no discussion. ( I do think Xata is town, just not particularly pleased with him) So the purpose of your post was trying to get a reaction from Xat by giving him a townread? | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, Oats´post was way more scummy to me than Gracks. Why? | ||
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