EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 172
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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s0Lstice
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On August 16 2013 06:02 Dandel Ion wrote: you're just jelly I'm able to read the OP in contrast to... well everybody else in this game it seems #sweg Clearly Vivax didn't read it either... | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On August 16 2013 04:44 Acrofales wrote: this was obviously incorrect, and I wanted to see what clarity would say. When he said I get a few points for claiming my name because someone else might claim it i told him that was incorrect:Fuck it. I've reread strongandbig's filter and I think he's scum. Name claiming Lets start with the whole Clarity thing. I didn't like how it got blown up into a giant problem, but didn't really think much of it. However, rereading it seems somewhat scummy to nameclaim like that. Scum (at least some of them) have townie names, as evidenced by Yamato flipping Doran Martell. If, at the start of the game, you can gain some town credit by nameclaiming, this seems like a pretty good idea. If scum have some kind of KP that relies on nameclaiming, then it makes it a fucking excellent idea. This was the reason I was a bit suspicious of johnnywup at the start of the game. Nameclaiming is simply not a townie thing to do when you have zero knowledge about the setup. He subsequently made a big stink about how Clarity sent the message on to Oatsmaster, and I found Oats' behaviour in the whole ordeal really fucking scummy, so forgot about SnB's nameclaim starting the whole thing off. But I want some answers: SnB: why did you ignore all the risks of nameclaiming if you're town. Johnnywup, when I pressed him, claimed ignorance. You, however, are not a newbie and have played in at least 2 games I can think of where nameclaiming could get you killed (and in fact, in CT you had the very role to kill nameclaimers unless I am mistaking things). Additionally you claim it's a townie thing to do and should get you elected. You KNOW this is false. Why the lies? Original Message From strongandbig: Yeah I haven't heard from vivax either. Bee tee dubs the right answer was "it doesn't matter if you are hodor, if role name corresponds to alignment and scum don't have safe claims then the hosts are retarded and we should be acting as if they are not stupid". Basically, I was just fishing for reactions. I pm'd oats this: Original Message From strongandbig: I rolenameclaimed only to clarity. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Compartmentalize what info goes to what people. I don't really know how I can make a trap out of it though. and later this: Original Message From strongandbig: He didnt say much about it. Ima tell him to vote me because of it and see what he does. Well, basically once I start to think someone is scum, I can tell the other people what information I told them and not tell them I told you? Then if they kill me and claim my role or something you can catch them? Idk, the only way rolenameclaims matter is if the hosts were dumb and made role names correspond to alignment, which I doubt. It just seemed like fun to be sneaky? and yes i ignored the risks of name claiming. I didn't think that through, it seemed pretty out of the question that anyone would have a role which targeted my rolename. On August 16 2013 04:44 Acrofales wrote: Worthless reads as a lord As a lord, we get this: Distancing himself from his own vote. Test balloon: lets see if we can get a decent town player lynched on a ridiculous pretext. If people wagon, then awesome, otherwise no harm no foul. Then his vote ends up on Onegu: This is one of the shoddiest votes I have ever seen, especially as the earlier posts were him actually defending Onegu: this is poor logic. i defended onegu because ryan's push on him was stupid, not because i had a town read on onegu. later i attacked onegu and voted for him because even when the pressure was taken off of him, he didn't use that space to do any scumhunting or anything pro-town. On August 16 2013 04:44 Acrofales wrote: this was not my reasoning. I did not vote to lynch onegu because he was a useless lurker but because i thought he was the most likely to be scum of any of the then-current lynch candidates. my reasoning was, as I told vivax:So what made Onegu a worse lurker than jrkirby, FirmTofu, gumshoe, or really any of the other useless lurkers. Nothing. Onegu was, in fact, a less useless lurker. But he needed to toss his vote without letting it be accountable at all. onegu - i actually agree with the stuff that clarity said, he seemed excited pregame then disappeared. - he also didn't become less defensive or more involved when rayn took off the pressure for the "contradiction" he had been attacking him for at the start, if he was a townie - hasn't actually posted any reads other than that he thinks clarity isn't scum because of the pm thing. but yeah okay i'm glad you finally found the things that I did d2 that everyone else has been calling me scum for all day. On August 16 2013 04:44 Acrofales wrote: um, my reasoning for not wanting to be lord again was that i would not be active. vivax already had voted for me i think, it would have been easy to be lord if i wanted it.Active when pressured Then on D2 when he is no longer lord, and just as people are starting to think seriously of shooting him dead at night, he comes in to save his ass with the case on Risen. His reason for not wanting to be lord is fucking phoney as hell: he wanted to reclaim his townie status, but did absolutely NOTHING towards that. Resulting in him basically disqualifying himself from the lord position, where he would not be able to lurk as much. On August 16 2013 04:44 Acrofales wrote: Most of this has already been discussed, so I'll leave it at this. The Yamato connection Yamato on SnB: Neither of these seem like sincere efforts to push a lynch on SnB, and particularly the second one is complete nonsense: half a meta read because it IGNORES the fact that SnB's latest town games have been lurky sacks of uselessness as well. He was endgamed and ignored by scum in NWM, and modkilled for inactivity in PTP. Hardly a shining record to contrast with his lurky inactive scumgame. This read was easily discredited, but notice that SnB has no real interaction with yamato, despite SnB being yamato's main scumread. He just ignores it, because he knows yamato will never push the read. yeah except that yamato was setting up the same things that you're arguing now. i'm pretty sure he would have pushed the read if he didn't decide to claim scum. On August 16 2013 04:44 Acrofales wrote: What we do have, is this: 2 minutes later comes the test balloon of lynching me for roleplaying, and another 5 minutes later his vote is on Onegu with NO explanation worth speaking of (except, he's lurking). What happened to this will to lynch Yamato? It vanished in thin air... in about 5 minutes flat. yeah i was about as serious about killing yamato there as i was about killing you for roleplaying (ie not at all). both of those were me being pissed at annoying people - yamato for his stupid activity read (which even you admit is a bad reason to be calling me scum), and you for playing in character and making it harder to actually read you. when i actually want to kill someone, i either vote them (ie onegu) or i write a big-ass case on them and yell at a bunch of people if i can't vote for them (ie risen and vivax. also johnnywup now). if i make a one-line post saying "hey let's kill this guy" or "you're being stupid we should kill you" there's no way a reasonable person would take that as a serious scumread from me. maybe that's how you or kushmasta give the thread your scumreads, but mine have some reasoning behind them. On August 16 2013 04:44 Acrofales wrote: On D2 you'd think he'd have something to say about the red check on Yamato when he was so happy to report he had caught up on the thread, but no. He spouted off some nothingness that said very little in very many words. Avoid the contaminated scumbuddy like the plague! are you retarded? after i already told you why i didn't comment on the useless things? what would the purpose have been in commenting on the red check, we were lynching yamato for sure. On August 16 2013 04:44 Acrofales wrote: @all lords: please lynch. this case is the worst one on me yet. it is a combination of misunderstandings and half-truths | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I'm not salty that dandel solved vivax btw. Not salty at all. Good job, Dandel. Ok so before I go to bed: Lords should shoot kush till dead, then the rest goes to johnny. JUST TO BE SAFE we should have a third target, in case johnny gets replaced or modkilled or something. I'll leave that to you guys though. Make sure to make deathposts during the night, send em to whoevers left in your house. If there's only 2 people in a house, and 1 dies and the other posts his deathpost SCRUTINIZE IT, could be a scum fake. Not likely but worth looking at. Night guys! | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
Now I'm mostly interested to hear what Risen and Sharrant have to say about the kill list. And pick times as well. | ||
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Koshi
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On August 16 2013 06:10 Xatalos wrote: I'm very glad we chose Vivax over snb. Although could snb also be scum? I don't think anyone even opposed his lynch? Or did someone? Feels a bit weird to have 2 scum as the choices for today though. If Vivax is some other anti-town role, not so much though. Now I'm mostly interested to hear what Risen and Sharrant have to say about the kill list. And pick times as well. No one really defended snb but there were plenty of pushes away from snb/vivax I just hope snb contributes more like he has today. I'll definitely want to talk to him and share reads a lot during n3. BED NAO | ||
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Risen
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On August 16 2013 06:11 Koshi wrote: Xatalos, what is this townie PM you have on me? When will you tell me? Who was your Lord btw? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On August 16 2013 06:10 Xatalos wrote: I'm very glad we chose Vivax over snb. Although could snb also be scum? I don't think anyone even opposed his lynch? Or did someone? Feels a bit weird to have 2 scum as the choices for today though. If Vivax is some other anti-town role, not so much though. Now I'm mostly interested to hear what Risen and Sharrant have to say about the kill list. And pick times as well. i opposed my lynch no one else really did although the argument could be made that the "lynch vivax" movement showed up because my scum teammates decided to push it to save me, so i don't think you can conclude anything from the "opposing my lynch" argument. it's impossible for anyone except scum to know whether people decided honestly to lynch vivax instead of me (because vivax is antitown and I am not) or if it was a calculated move by the scum team. | ||
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Xatalos
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Clarity_nl
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On August 16 2013 06:13 Risen wrote: I'll be shooting Koshi, so I don't think it matters when I shoot. Just put me in a slot. don't shoot koshi he's town | ||
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Clarity_nl
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Xatalos
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On August 16 2013 06:13 Risen wrote: I'll be shooting Koshi, so I don't think it matters when I shoot. Just put me in a slot. A bad and wasted choice. It's just 1 KP and helping scum most likely in any case. What does that achieve? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 16 2013 06:04 s0Lstice wrote: I'm so proud of dandel right now. Shes growing up so fast. maybe you'll stop flaming people now + Show Spoiler + geddit? | ||
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Risen
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[05/07/2012 14:53:20] Andrew Koster: i mean.. .in GoT people were so convinced I was town, that after he got a red check the vote was unanimous on him [05/07/2012 14:54:17] Andrew Koster: if he learned to control his rage and angst i think he'd be a really good player [05/07/2012 14:54:24] Andrew Koster: but he always gets lynched by town [05/07/2012 14:54:38] Cephiro TL Mafia: Looks like it. [05/07/2012 14:54:47] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: yeah, it's a shame though [05/07/2012 14:54:50] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: we were pretty much confirmed town [05/07/2012 14:54:55] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: without Risen interfering [05/07/2012 14:55:09] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yep. But seriously, if I was a townie I'd lynch him [05/07/2012 14:55:16] Cephiro TL Mafia: He hasn't done anything really townie-like  | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On August 16 2013 06:15 Xatalos wrote: A bad and wasted choice. It's just 1 KP and helping scum most likely in any case. What does that achieve? If we assume 7hp is base hp, then 1hp is rather huge wouldn't you say? (6 lords) | ||
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Koshi
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