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On August 16 2013 05:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, this claim makes NO SENSE for scum to make. Why not just claim town jailer? He can make the argument that he didn't want to get lynched.
Hmm.... Feels like he just gave up in any case. Hard to tell if he gave up as Survivor or as scum. In either case he SHOULD try to survive. Based on his win condition as either one......
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Where art thou, Lord Acrofales?
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Yeah but as scum you can fake contribute and shit and try to get a mislynch to happen, then die the next day with little discussion.
As survivor you give up since there's no way you're living till endgame when you have this much pressure on you d3.
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On August 16 2013 05:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah but as scum you can fake contribute and shit and try to get a mislynch to happen, then die the next day with little discussion.
As survivor you give up since there's no way you're living till endgame when you have this much pressure on you d3.
Do you suggest we shouldn't lynch him? I kind of agree with you in that he's more likely Survivor than scum, but the risk is too great. And there's really no downside either. Considering that he chose to play against town either way.
WIFOM TIME
Who where all the roleblocked ones? Me N1, Sharrant N2, forgot the rest.
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I hate to dredge up your internal politics again, but this makes literally NO sense:
On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you.
Based purely on experience, which is all you had to go on at this point, but s0lstice AND Dandel Ion are better scumhunters than Chromatically. Seeing as all three wanted to be lord, ONE of them was going to have to fold. Why did you not try to convince Chromatically to vote alongside with you for one of the "best scumhunters", rather than such a stand-offish approach where everybody called each other scum until you voted for the LEAST experienced scumhunter in your house (other than you yourself)?
Verdict: scum
I don't like your soft stance on Oats either. You keep "pressuring him", while in the same sentence letting him know that there is no pressure and you don't intend to pursue it because "the whole thread is laughing at you". Not sure if it's a scumtell or a badtell, but it pretty much disqualifies all your reads in the early game, which were built around your Oats read: Clarity scummy for soft-defending Oats, strongandbig scummy for not going after Oats. I dunno where I'm going with this, but it just feels like there is no real pressure and as long as Oats doesn't flip you can keep up these ridiculous association cases. Of course, the flipside of this is that Oats dying looks like scum KP, and why would scum Koshi undermine his own favourite tunnel?
Verdict: null
D2 Baratheon politics is still fucking weird:
On August 12 2013 03:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does it matter now rayn?
Ok if we lynch yamato and hes town, can I choose who we lynch d3? Now after s0lstice explaining to me what Oats his meta is I must say that Oats is playing like that on D2. However, above post gave me instant flashbacks to Cora in Titanic. Always seeing townreads and then suggesting a "sure" scumlynch. Rayn, Oats and Clarity know what I am talking about. s0lstice is now confirmed town to me. In the night he tried to help me on how to play better, which is something that scum would never do in the way s0lstice did. Sadly I do not have any new scumreads except that everybody who has been posting lately is probably town... I could point out to some inactives but that is just too easy.
How do you vote for Chromatically if s0lstice is confirmed town? There's no strong town read on Chrom ANYWHERE in Koshi's filter, yet he was magically elected. Again. This is, of course, not only down to Koshi, because Chrom said:
On August 11 2013 14:29 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:24 Onegu wrote:
@chrome did no one put themselves up for lord? Or did everyone and it just came to you again? Solstice and Dandel didn't run, and they were both fine with me.
But there is something funky in Baratheon politics, and funky voting is scummy voting. When I get done with Vivax I'll take a closer look at the rest of the Stags.
Verdict: fuck knows
The KP stuff that Sharrant is going on about:
On August 12 2013 22:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote:On August 12 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2013 22:35 iamperfection wrote:On August 12 2013 22:34 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. THAT REMINDS ME OF YOUR SHITTY CASE ON ME. HAHAHAHA You scum Onegu? lol speaking of shitty cases maybe you should go read the one you just posted. You can only claim stupid or scum tbh. What vigi was ever going to shoot gumshoe? herpderp I better us my vigi shot on a 1 hp lurker (or at least very low) Like how is that even the most plausible reason why gum died???? Most likely is that one in your House is scum or you are scum. Like 99% scum killed gumshoe, 1% a retarded vigi. listen you retard how the fuck would the vigi know that gum had 1 hp IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRETTY LOW AFTER ALL LORDS SHOT HIM? Ok maybe not 1 hp. But it wasn't going to be 15 HP. wtfff? Like how do you even refuse to see that this doesn't make sense? And of couse nobody in the thread is paying attention to me when I am actually finding scum............ Typical.
Well, either scum intentionally spread out their KP, or they didn't know people's HP. So I don't see how Sharrant's case makes much sense for Koshi being scum based on this. I actually think they DID spread out their KP on purpose and offed gumshoe, because he was an easy pushover. I see no real reason for a town vigi to shoot someone who is already dying. But I don't think this speculation here is indicative of alignment at all.
SK is an interesting option: it would be easy to hide as a vigi and shoot gumshoe in the face and maybe one of the D2 kills was an SK shot. It fits the pattern of wanting to help town if the lynch is on a town, and scum if a scumbag is lynched. All the while keeping hidden as well as possible. Worth keeping in mind.
The fixation with it (both the shot, and bringing up 3p for no reason) also points that way:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2013 23:34 Koshi wrote:
@Sharrant
A vig with a 1 KP shot? Or 3 KP shot? Like how stupid is that? A vig shoots people death, not hit them for 1 HP... I could see 3hp/5hp vig if the vig can shoot multiple times but then it is still stupid to shoot gumshoe unless for some reason you think gumshoe has 10 hp. While that doesn't make any sense at all because lords can only do 6 hp damage combined.
Also that's not even the point. The point is that iamp says that it is MOST LIKELY a vig. While it is most likely it is scum in his house knowing gumshoe has 1 hp.
but w.e. I drop it because everybody thinks iamp is town. On August 14 2013 18:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +Koshi
Had a scum read on him early game. Especially as he maintained his tunnel on oats, which just read as forced points. Long absence; followed by a resurgence in posting late Day2. I actualy don’t mind his recent posting. Willing to give him a chance. Again, I want his opinion on people like chromatically/iamperfection. Null to leaning scum. Tried to question my House about Chrom. I have a strong townread on s0lstice (3p is also possible) and I didn't like Chrom tunnel on s0lstice but my entire House thinks Chrom is town, all Lords think Chrom is town and Chrom his PMs are indeed ok to think he is town. But we don't PM that much, which is House Baratheon style. I could actually see Chrom being 3p now. It fits perfect, because you can fool people easier because you don't know who is scum. Request: Who posted that yamato could be Mr.X. ? I can't find that post anymore. On August 14 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote:Also Mocsta, could you analyze jrkirby his filter? I find it suspicious you don't say anything about that. Now with the current flips jrkirby looks scummy as fuck. You putting iamp on top of your scumlist right before he dies is feeling so wrong as well. It just feels completely wrong. btw I made a case on iamp before, which you seemed to have missed? But all other people said iamp was town, and then right before (or should I say after?) he dies you put him on top of the your scumlist. Do you know how Ver "proved" I was SK in Sicilian? Because I asked stupid questions at the start. Look at these: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:49 jrkirby wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok, finally caught up again. This thread grew 15 pages while I was reading 10. People I want lynched/shot: 1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here. 2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this? 3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case. 4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:55 jrkirby wrote:On August 09 2013 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms?
#Trafficcop We cannot PM people outside our houses, right? I also added in between the scumlist jrkirby made. yamato hanging on the bottom is lol.
Verdict: 3P
Today's push on Mocsta. I actually kinda like it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I believe HE believes his push. Of course, if he's actually 3P, that makes perfect sense. 3P has no knowledge about who is town and who is scum, but neither does town. Benefit of the doubt.
Verdict: townish
Without actual evidence of a 3P existing (need more NKs to make sense), I don't think Koshi is a good lynch at all. He doesn't feel like scum at all, except maybe for the politics on D1. So lets call him town, unless we have more evidence for an SK or other 3P player.
Random setup speculation: an SK Littlefinger would be fucking awesome. I so hope that's true.
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On August 16 2013 05:06 Koshi wrote:
Can I shoot somebody?
Shit. You really an SK?
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Also if there is a town JK, don't claim. Vivax is getting lynched anyway.
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On August 16 2013 05:25 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 05:22 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 16 2013 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah the claim doesn't actually change anything....
Calling people who play mafia tryhards is also pretty silly. Kinda torn.. torn between what? he clearly needs rope survivor claim with no given option on who would be scum instead of him? yea, no. it's a jailer claim though. Obviously he could just be a goon who knows who scum roleblocked... but if he's a jailer scum will have to roleblock or kill him, no? The fact that he gives us no scumreads and just kinda gives up makes sense if he is survivor, not so much if he is scum.
he didn't even say who was roleblocked by who...
just another thing that makes it a good lynch.
I guess we'll see what he flips.
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I'm trying to figure out if lynching vivax is the correct play. Xata you say you agree he's more likely survivor jailer than scum, right?
Let's say he's 100% survivor jailer, should we lynch him?
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On August 16 2013 05:24 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 05:23 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 05:19 s0Lstice wrote:
Yea we can't not lynch him now.
My gut says he is telling the truth though. I'm maybe slightly leaning on Survivor too. But.... Still. He hasn't played townish in any fashion this game. Wouldn't he at least try a bit (maybe not enough to get NK'd) as Survivor? as survivor he'd try to survive right about now. instead of claiming and fucking off.
The same can obviously be said about a scum player. There's still 8 hours left on the lynch. It makes no sense to fake claim and fuck off as scum when he has PLENTY of time to push the lynch off himself. Especially with Clarity and myself pushing SnB... unless SnB is scum as well, but then this STILL doesn't make sense.
It is suboptimal play REGARDLESS of alignment. The question is to figure out his actual alignment. Good thing I was gonna filter dive him anyway!
@Vivax: as a survivor JK why did you jail one of Onegu or Sharrant?
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On August 16 2013 05:40 Acrofales wrote:Shit. You really an SK?
LOL
Acro, I can say that there's PM reason to believe he's town. Quite likely at least.
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On August 16 2013 05:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if lynching vivax is the correct play. Xata you say you agree he's more likely survivor jailer than scum, right?
Let's say he's 100% survivor jailer, should we lynch him?
as confirmed not-town, it would be his place to answer why we shouldn't lynch him.
he didn't and doesn't
it's ez, really.
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On August 16 2013 05:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if lynching vivax is the correct play. Xata you say you agree he's more likely survivor jailer than scum, right?
Let's say he's 100% survivor jailer, should we lynch him?
Maybe not if he's 100% Survivor and clearly willing to win with town. As it stands though, he's more like 60-70% Survivor and clearly not interested in helping town at all. I think it's safe to say that he's scum or a kind of traitor, 90% likely to side with scum closer to LYLO.
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also PM games are fucking stupid if you can't post the PMs...
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On August 16 2013 05:30 Xatalos wrote:
Where art thou, Lord Acrofales?
I'm not a lord. My lord is afk 
What do you want to know?
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Who besides me was RB'd N1?
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On August 16 2013 05:47 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 05:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if lynching vivax is the correct play. Xata you say you agree he's more likely survivor jailer than scum, right?
Let's say he's 100% survivor jailer, should we lynch him? as confirmed not-town, it would be his place to answer why we shouldn't lynch him. he didn't and doesn't it's ez, really.
Town win condition is to kill all scum, yes? Scum win condition is to kill people till they outnumber everyone else.
How does lynching a survivor help town win condition?
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On August 16 2013 05:50 Xatalos wrote:
Who besides me was RB'd N1?
me
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On August 16 2013 05:49 Acrofales wrote:I'm not a lord. My lord is afk What do you want to know?
Just wanted to know if you're still pursuing snb. Or did Vivax's claim make you change your mind?
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On August 16 2013 05:50 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 05:47 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 16 2013 05:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if lynching vivax is the correct play. Xata you say you agree he's more likely survivor jailer than scum, right?
Let's say he's 100% survivor jailer, should we lynch him? as confirmed not-town, it would be his place to answer why we shouldn't lynch him. he didn't and doesn't it's ez, really. Town win condition is to kill all scum, yes? Scum win condition is to kill people till they outnumber everyone else. How does lynching a survivor help town win condition?
As it stands though, he's more like 60-70% Survivor and clearly not interested in helping town at all. I think it's safe to say that he's scum or a kind of traitor, 90% likely to side with scum closer to LYLO.
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