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On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.- Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town.
That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff.
When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter...
You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information.
That's fucking scummy.
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On July 30 2013 04:22 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote:Basically, the way Clarity and XRZ wrote their cases. Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote. On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Geript. On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie.
Oh and I think you're pretty townie. Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote:
eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for. Investigation and protective roles are truly awful for town. Who'd want less KP at night in the game, right? On April 05 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote:
Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. Fair points that are applicable to anyone. Look, though my emphasis is on Rayn, I am not tunneled on him. If he proves his innocence, I will move on. But having reviewed my interactions with him, I am struggling to see how he can even be a remote town read. (From my POV) At best he is null. ==== As an aside, I think holding off lynching candidates in the top 5 draft is terrible: just because there is a risk of lynching a townie that held an awesome role. If someone be scummy, you lynch them. Full Stop. On April 05 2013 15:09 geript wrote:
Thank you Moc, now I know that you are town. This post apparently makes Mocsta town. In what world can scum not make a post like this? What is it about this post that makes you read him as this apparent townMocsta? Also, as Mocsta already brought up On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip. Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that. I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On its own it's not lynchworthy, but with how poorly scumript has been playing so far I'd say this adds to the case. Vote scum. Vote Geript. How the hell do you form the conclusion that because someone else did something as (insert role), I would do something in that role.
Because that's characteristic for mafiosi to do so. Nearly everyone does that as mafia-.
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On July 30 2013 04:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, you have a point in your logic regarding those people. I think exazeree looks really fucking awful with his latest contributions. I am not sure about Clarity, he looks like a really bright dude. Who was the third person, JAT? I'm not sure about him either, there were some townie things i pointed out to Oats i found out about him near the lynch. What do you think of them?
Also, flank looks like he has a fucking red stamp painted all over him if i ignore the Oats stuff he said. Should i ignore that? Koshi looks significantly better by his contributiond on N1. FT has disappeared and i think he is mafia.
Thoughts? I didn't like how JAT joined the PS wagon especially. His reasons were a bunch of disagreements he had with PS's reads, and he seems to lack townie drive (that is quite subjective though, basically communicating as much as possible, pointing out scummy things, try to let yourself get heard) and the activity is generally underwhelming, Not sure what to make of his latest post where he townreads me, I agree with all the reasons, but I don't know why he thinks this is the time to write a townread post on me, if anything it increases the chance I get NKd, although it's probably pretty high anyway cause I can already get away with the shit I've done between almost no-lynching and fakeclaiming vig. FT hardpushed XRZ, I believe you'll have to pick one of them cause i don't see that being a bus at all. What I didn't like about Clarity was his FT case and that he's being rather in the sidelines during this night aside from a few post, but I didn't go through his whole filter yet. I'm not very fond of you either tbh.
You are right about FT - XRZ. hmm..
I especially didn't like how Clarity backed off from FT, and the stuff i said earlier on N1.
You have a point on JAT. That's why i thought he was scummy in the first place. I need to reconsider my read on him as i thought his posts i quoted to Oats were pretty townish. I dunno if i am wrong, Oats seemed to disagree with me, what do you think?
What do you think of flank?
That being said;
If there is a doctor, doc Vivax!
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On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.- Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town. That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff. When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter... You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information. That's fucking scummy. Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you.
If you think the information is not important, why do you post this:
On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions?
And ~5 other posts about the subject?
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On July 30 2013 04:41 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.- Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town. That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff. When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter... You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information. That's fucking scummy. Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you. If you think the information is not important, why do you post this: On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions? And ~5 other posts about the subject? Whether the information is important or not is subjective you. You can like his reads or not like them. It's completely up to you! But you don't care about his reads? In fact you point that you haven't gone through his filter since his lynch. Are you that big headed that you don't want to consider another townie's reads?
I am well aware of Paper's reads. I do not have to go through his filter to "re-read something" just because he was town. If you find something important there, please point it out. If you don't, i don't see a reson why are you shouting people to go re-read him, or find that odd.
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so why am i scum to be exact?
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i am here. playing SC2 in the meantime but i am here.
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On July 30 2013 04:57 exarezee wrote:I mistyped a little. Didn't exactly read what clarity wrote. I do not have an informed opinion on whether you are scum. You are however part of the group today that have posted theories which is irrelevant upon the information gained upon the end of day 1. I find that to be more scumlike than townlike.
So what should we do in your opinion now?
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Can you point out the exact posts?
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I don´t know what to think of him atm. On the other hand he seems scummy to me, but so does XRZ and they sure as hell are not both scum.
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On July 30 2013 05:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn his list post felt like scum, then he felt like town until we got close to lynch and he made it extremely chaotic, and I gotta figure out if that's because he's scum or not.
Im interested in hearing how i made the lynch chaotic..
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So i might be scum because i was pretty much the only one besides Vivax who tried to push an alternative wagon than town!Paper?
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You are not making a lot of sense right now. And how was that chaotic? Especially how was my push "extremely chaotic" compared to others?
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You can´t because Vivax is getting docced.
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On July 30 2013 06:23 Vivax wrote:
I alwasy go awww when people ask for me to be docced.
I used to be such a pain in the ass as town.
You still are. But Oats is much more. :D
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On July 30 2013 06:26 Vivax wrote:I have a question, what point is there in Malongo sorting people activity wise at all? It doesn't have any relevance for his conclusion. He could simply tell what he doesn't like about hzflank, instead he feels like posting some fancy summary before he does that. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote:Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet
7. Malongo
9. Stutters695In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster
4. IMCaptainJackSparrow
10. hzflank
14. exarezeeEveryone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote:
Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflankId be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ).
Read NWM for example. Malongo did nothing but post useless lists early on and he was town.
If you read I swear 2, he was pretty inconsistant throughout D1.
He does dumb stuff at least as town, dunno if that´s the case if he is mafia.
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Murder FT if i die. If i do not die i will do it.
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If we have a doctor they are a fucking idiot.
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