Newbie Mini Mafia XLV - Page 8

On August 03 2013 10:28 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:

My point is its a bad town play if he wants to actually survive, which is a valid consideration. If he were town, it would be stupid. If he is not stupid, which I think we can accept at this point as fact, then it's probably not a play he makes if he is town. That is my point.

Thats obviously not my only reason for suspecting him anyway..

On July 31 2013 08:00 Gotard wrote:
YES! I'm always scummy! Lurking like a boss!

On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:
This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam.

reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis

infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia.

"acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral.
##Vote: infii

On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote:

Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people?

On August 01 2013 03:00 Gotard wrote:

Look at his 1st post. This is a useless list. Almost everyone is neutral. His argumentation is super weak. Zero quotes. Nothing. If you think someone is scummy put some effort into it. Posting like that is an easy way to fake some contribution which is scumy.


Because it doesn't make much sense to lynch people randomly...

Do you really expect that you will be 100% sure that someone is mafia before lynching that person?

On August 01 2013 03:11 Gotard wrote:


"There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town"
There is no way you can agree with that sentence.

On August 01 2013 07:46 Gotard wrote:


"My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M"

Really? I mean, really? If you are targeting something it would be nice if you would explain to us why you think that particular behaviour is scummy.

No lynch seems like a bad option to me but in the last game I played there was a guy who wanted no lynch and he was town. This is an opinion and of course you can argue with it but you need to tell why you don't agree.

If you say something is scummy tell us why and i mean WHY not some meaningless one-liner.

On August 01 2013 08:08 Gotard wrote:

There's is still a lot of time left until deadline. You can't panic and posts like "oh", "Happy?" or hue hue picture doesn't help and are not pro town in any way because all they do is taking away all of the attention and you lose your chance to create good content. Your defense so far is "hello i'm noob! Hue hue! happy? no? eeh!? I read some guides don't lynch me!". If you are pressured you need to prove your innocence not by crying for help but by being useful for town.

Read guides, read your filter. Do you think you are pro town? I don't think so.

On August 01 2013 08:13 Gotard wrote:

It sounds like to hazard to me. You can never be sure if someone doesn't have free time, doesn't feel like reading thread/filters or anything else but if you will find something interesting, who knows?

On August 01 2013 17:13 Gotard wrote:

When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step.

Look at that post:

This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy?


Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people?

On August 01 2013 22:11 Gotard wrote:

Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting.


Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness.


You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well.


Why defending reps isn't scummy when "his argumentation is repetitive and overall not very convincing, therefore I agree that even if he is town". How can we support each other if we don't know who is town? We need to pressure and find scum not say "Hello my friends I love you all and I shall support you even when you look scummy as fuck!".

On August 02 2013 05:08 Gotard wrote:

Yeah I'm staying with my vote.

I hate when someone make excuses like this:


This is what scum want to do: Interpret post in a way that will make town scummy and purposely hide certain context of post and exaggerate stuff than might be scummy. Writing one-line reasoning helps to achieve that goal.

You need to share your thoughts you can't assume that someone else thinks in the same way or is clever enough to catch certain scummy behavior.


Why do you think lynching sc_a.M/Stimaddict?

I can't see good pro town reasoning behind his posts.

-In his 1st post he says that Umasi is his 1st scumread.
-I pressure him
-He quotes Umasi's posts that were made after his accusation. ?????

He still fails to deliver reasoning behind his very 1st post..

On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote:
Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges.

reps:

This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this:

If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time.
Later, he posts this:

To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame?
All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best.

DeusX:
His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case.
In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far.

Umasi/alakasam:
A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity).
Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me.

On July 31 2013 23:15 Zyrre wrote:


Reading that Umasi post I remember it stuck out to me as well, forgot to mention it in my previous post.
He did post this also however:

(later on he goes back to saying reps is confused townie again)

Asking reps to do some actual pro-town work there seems odd if he is indeed defending fellow scum, although I believe it was during his spam fest so maybe can't put too much weight on it.

I agree about a possible weak mafia connection there, and probably will be voting reps to lynch. I'll hold off voting until the other guys start posting again though.

On August 01 2013 04:31 Zyrre wrote:
Was just about the post the same thoughts holy. Noting every single thought in the thread is a terrible idea if you are town.
As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post.
But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town.
Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless.

On August 01 2013 23:18 Zyrre wrote:
I had infli as pretty much neutral until his last post.

This is what he states when deciding who he will vote on:

- scam and reps are both useless at best, but reps posting is also potentially scummy
- he will vote for scam, but switch to reps if necessary(im assuming to avoid no lynch)

Seems odd to me to choose scam over reps when he says essentially the same thing about them except add some scum reads on reps.

Next on Umasi


Doesn't make sense at all, most are against reps atm and it would be so much easier as mafia just to go along and go "yep, hes scummy alright" then to be the most aggressive one.

On Alakaslam

This sounds quite random at first but reasoning is sound I think.
If Alakaslam is town he might want to give reps some pointers in the event reps is actually town.
If Alakaslam is mafia the only reason he would want to do this would be if reps was mafia, dont think he would establish that connection so publicly though when chances are very high reps will get lynched this night anyway.

In summation, leaning slightly towards mafia for infli right now.
However, if infli is mafia I would say there is a very strong chance that reps is it too. No real reason for infli NOT to vote reps if reps is town, its just so much easier for him to blend in that way.
So either way: ##vote reps)squishy


On to DeusX
Firstly he started up discussions by voting reps early on, I saw that as a town move. He might have been overly aggressive on him, but that seems to me as a bad scum move also.
His latest post makes me not worry about him so much. He didnt contribute much analysis himself, but gave a lot of sound town advice. For instance, lets keep analyzing all players even if we are gonna lynch reps since we can gain more info. Also pressuring someone is good way to get info and townies should be fearless.

So even if he is playing a kind of mafia leading the town, he is still giving good advice and not keeping everyone focused only on reps.

Nightcat and StiM I get a general town vibe from, Nightcat a little bit less so, but the way StiM is playing feels familiar to the way he normally plays (and that might be me meta biasing myself a little bit). I haven't reread either of them.

On August 03 2013 12:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah. The deal you quoted with Gotard and Indio.

Neither appears to have understood the other fully. Indio is saying the post Gotard dislikes was aimed at scam. Makes a little sense to me, he means he wasn't saying he would not get reads, but that he was telling scam that this was how he was behaving and only justification he could think of was that scam thinks you can't get info day one. It would be a lie I think though, scam hadn't posted at that point if I remember right. Then Gotard went on to attack what Indio actually wound up saying, according to himself

Really a stretch but then that is the only way I can see it that makes sense because I can't make sense of the post.

The one where Gotard says "really? Directed at scam?" Or some such confusing