Newbie Mini Mafia XLV - Page 11

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 08 2013 20:32 GMT

#1305

FYI, telling us to go read your fucking filter is not townie, you're not making the moves necessary to end the game from a townie perspective.
You're really focused on trying to confirm yourself as town, but a better way to do that is to convince us that X person is scum instead of you, compared to saying "well am I scum or town, read me properly or we lose"
There's nothing wrong with saying like, READ ME AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF, but that's just trying to clear yourself of suspicion.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 08 2013 20:36 GMT

#1306

On August 06 2013 11:40 Alakaslam wrote:

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Is doc soft claim? If u are town, and you want to win, you really had better just claim role even if it gets you nk. And even if its vt. Then say what you actioned each night.

same difference, why are you blue hunting?
You said to confirm people as town.
If I'd just said "I am cop, I checked X Y Z and got A B C results, does that make me town?
How is blue hunting a way to confirm people?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 08 2013 21:09 GMT

#1314

yeah, I'm pretty confused about what slam is talking about as well :<

StiM, I'm not cop, slam was questioning me about it a bit ago and I still don't know why.

I wasn't accusing you of not playing to your wincon, slam. The best way to be townie is to catch scum, not to say "I'm not scum we lose if you lynch me I'm not scum we lose if you lynch me please read me properly" That was friggen RDOs defense and he got lynched anyway.

Also, if you were trying to bait out a doctor claim to confirm him as scum, why didn't you pull off of him? Why were you trying to confirm him as 'definitely scum' if you weren't willing to read him as town?

Also, why specifically did you think RDO was scum originally? You read him as slightly townie for a long time and then your read changes, and I don't think you explained why.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 08 2013 21:11 GMT

#1315

On August 09 2013 05:59 Alakaslam wrote:
By the way no, that is not necessarily true stim, he should not claim. If we can't agree on a lynch we switch from MYLO to LYLO, and I he were cop

Actually gf nvm stim is right. Cop role useless now.

....Is there some piece of information I'm missing?

On August 09 2013 05:26 Alakaslam wrote:
So here is why we all sux but DeusXmachina looks like ultratown MVP:

He knows everything, he is gf.

Nonetheless please still filter dive me if I am not confirmed town and talk to me- why am I not town.

Deus if you feel I have not answered your earlier query, I did last night but TL:DR; they were largely question replies, and contribute by helping confirm my town alignment, or else not at all. But that was the motive behind them.

What say all?

Again, is there some piece of information I'm missing?
gf in this case means godfather, right?
This is setting off huge warning bells.
I don't really believe in scumslips, but...
why are you sure there's a godfather?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 08 2013 22:06 GMT

#1320

hm~maybe?

I can agree with what you said day one, but day two with gotard
Why would gotard self vote? He doesn't need to hammer in a lynch to secure deus towncred. Theoretically, there might have been a no lynch at the time he self voted, which would be preferable for the scum team, because gotard would have continued being scummy shit, and an easy lynch to push for the next day (and thus more towncred), so they'd just generate a no-lynch.

I like what you're trying to communicate though, continue making sense.

On August 04 2013 00:55 Alakaslam wrote:

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Irrelevant question to me as is false.

I saw that while rereading and looked at the time surrounding it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422313&currentpage=40#795
Specifically read that post of his and gotards immediately afterward. Since we know RDO was town, and Scam was scum, I wonder what he was trying to play at, soft defending scam and simultaneously being suspicious of someone who was blatantly more pro-town than scam. Although I can definitely see it coming from a town viewpoint, and unassociated with Gotard.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 08 2013 23:42 GMT

#1326

StiM, I swear if you weren't mason you'd be the scum right now -.-

Slam, what it comes down to is that I don't think you've played a pro-town game on the whole, you make some weird jumps in reasoning, and you're extremely influenced by the state of the thread. That, and I don't think you read very carefully at all, you just talk about whatever happens to be the most recent things that were said~for instance,

On August 06 2013 10:16 Alakaslam wrote:
First off- I'm really sorry Umasi, or you are almost as good as Onegu.

Now, do you know what Zyrre and Indio both die means?

SK

We are forgetting about SK

He is on our side though :D

Here are my thoughts:

DeusXmachina is probably Town or SK. I think Nightcat may be SK. RDO, likely scum or SK. Stim obv town. Umasi may not be obv town but yeah. Next lynch RDO, should we fail we will probably know, but lets us all powwow and figure it out.

You just kinda look at key points and comment on those, you're not looking at what people are actually posting though~nightcats vig claim was literally the post above the night post =/

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 08 2013 23:44 GMT

#1327

Deus, don't focus on defending yourself, focus on slam and me. I've said this a lot, the best way to be townie is to find and kill scum (imo)
so instead of telling us the scumhunt is inc and then not scumhunting, go scumhunt. for realz.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 02:23 GMT

#1333

-.-
slam, when you softly put suspicion on someone, make sure it's something that's actually scummy. not defending myself isn't scummy. In fact, trying to keep conversation rolling is a townie thing to do =/

~and no ones made a case for me to defend yet~

Slam, why haven't you been posting if I die reads if you were so confident you would be shot?
Why did you vote RDO? I can't find reasoning for it in the thread, you just kinda did it. From what I can see, and idk if I missed it, you mention that you think RDO is slightly townie here but then change it when you responded to deus

On August 03 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote:

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I have started to mean town on RDO.

You do bring up good points. But you are distilling actions a bit.

Scam is 100% null to me. I just dislike him. I unfortunately hope he is modkill- if not we lynch "tomorrow"(day3)

Because I lean town on RDO, yes, but RDO mentioned a work schedule that I don't see him posting outside of.

On August 04 2013 00:55 Alakaslam wrote:

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Irrelevant question to me as is false.

What does the phrase 'irrelevant question to me as is false' mean? tbth, I think it means that you were suspicious of him, but there's nothing in the timespan between those two quotes that would have changed your opinion, right?

Basically, it felt like you kept your head down during the RDO lynch and let it happen, and I want to find out why.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 04:38 GMT

#1343

tbth that really helped. I'll reserve judgement for now =/
##UNVOTE

Stim, what are you thinking?
Deus, why have you said you would read filters so often and then straight up not?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 04:39 GMT

#1344

and slam, why don't you post if I die reads? I still never figured that out, and it still gives me pause =/

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 04:51 GMT

#1349

yeah, if he comes in and posts thoughts on filters, I'll be happy!
And if not, well darn!

you've mentioned frequently that you thought you were going to die, and you haven't been posting them REGARDLESS (and I am a fan of them) but it's not the biggest deal.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 05:07 GMT

#1353

so you think there's a mentality breach? I think it might be a bit of a stretch, and any town would want someone who might be town to speak up in a pro-town way, but I can definitely see where you're coming from.

deus

On August 07 2013 14:39 DeusXmachina wrote:
Hey I went through RDO's filter again with the intention of counting the number of times he either defends himself, plays the newb card, and gives excuses.

I came to these counts:
Defends himself: 12 times
Plays newb card: 4 times
Gives excuses: 3 times

Sometimes they are really subtle and easy to miss. Those counts are not 100 percent accurate. It is also worth mentioning that he apologizes a ton.

Here are some great examples:

1. We haven't seen a ton of substance from you yet (oh yes I'm totally a hypocrite): Newb card
2. My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!!: Newb card
3. just a couple of hours after I really started playing last night: defends himself
4. As you can see I've been trying to pick up my posting in the past couple of pages. Started slow obviously. Newb and also kinda defense
5. As a note to all parties, I will be offline from now until tomorrow evening again...so ask any last questions about my innocence within the next fifteen minutes or hang on to them for a while.: defends himself
6. That's part of it for sure...I also was busy with work, and this is my first game, so I'm just getting into it. : WOW excuse, noob, and defends himself
7. I'm new to this game too, I'm not going to play it perfectly. But I'm going to play the damn thing now, not just sit on my hands.: Newb
8. FUCK. I was at the card shop for a magic sealed event and my phone died, which is why I couldn't switch when we went for gotard. Sorry guys, yes that looks scummy as hell.: Excuse and preemptively defending himself.

Wow maybe there was more newb cards then I thought.

Also he drops the Umasi suspicion before the lynch and doesn't vote switch. Ill brb with that info.

On August 07 2013 14:44 DeusXmachina wrote:

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This is really bizarre. He is suspicious of an Umasi/Gotard pair. Before this he made a pretty convincing case against Gotard (convincing in that it seemed genuine) declaring that he thought Gotrad was scum. Gotard votes Umasi and RDO doesn't vote switch? What!? A huge part of his suspicion of Umasi was because of his scum read on Gotard. Why would he not vote Gotard when the pair distanced themselves.

On August 07 2013 14:46 DeusXmachina wrote:

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And then this. Last post before lynch. He claims he is going to move on from Umasi to Gotard but doesn't vote switch. Why would he not vote switch at this very moment? Totes scum. I think we nailed him.

What did you hope to accomplish with those posts, since RDO was already on the chopping block pretty securely?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 05:08 GMT

#1354

Basically slam, there is no good reason for him to be sad about lynching someone he thinks he's scum, but it's not condemning. You and I both talk out of our asses frequently

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 05:20 GMT

#1357

remember, zyrre died because nightcat vig shot

nightnight

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 15:58 GMT

#1370

I like what deus has posted, but slam, your responses are NOT good. Why do you only respond to point number two? And even then, it's not even a response that helps explain the entire game, just a single point of it.

I am warning you folks deus looks all super town but he had time to plan this, I swore I be -not nk, but- Lynched before this situation. I thought folks would take nightcat seriously, I wasn't preparing for a situation like that. so I'm just spontaneous as ever.

Super weak. You're not even defending yourself at this point, it's just baseless crap.

'I look scummy because I thought you'd lynch me before today'
Why would you ever play town with the intention of being offed at any point?(why would you play mafia that way either?) You can't keep citing nightcats thoughts on you as a defense, because they aren't a defense =/ they were just his thoughts. So far, all of your like, claims to being town are 'man you guys GOTTA believe me, nightcat was so right that I should be lynched before lylo/mylo' like that's not the correct way to defend or be townie, it just looks weak. You need a better defense than 'I promise you I'm town'

##VOTE ALAKASLAM

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 16:05 GMT

#1371

StiM, what do you think? You're the confirmed townie here :<
Do you think there are flaws with voting for slam? because I'm pretty sold.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 19:55 GMT

#1382

=/ the stance you took on me wasn't strong when you backed off immediately when I posted my read of gotard, and before that all you really said was YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM

The reason I think you're scum is that deus is overwhelmingly townie. he's been doing a hell of a lot more scumhunting than you, he's just been doing less talking. I disagree with some of what he's said (you not being around for lynches is really not scummy, it just means you were probably busy) but some of his other points do have merit, such as you never giving good reasoning for voting on RDO. Your stances on people always come after a post by someone else, you don't have many original thoughts on who's scum or not, you just take what someone says and roll with it.

StiM, you really need to get in here and do things, why AREN'T you abusing your mason confirmed town status? Driving me fucking bonkers.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

August 09 2013 20:14 GMT

#1383

On August 10 2013 04:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Actually I just realized something.

Stimaddict if there I any doubt in your mind, vote no lynch. This way, I will have another day to actually go after targets. Otherwise I cede.

This implies that you think StiM's thoughts are worth nothing. The only thing another night period does is deletes a confirmed townie, why do you think that's a good idea?