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jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 15 2013 23:21 GMT
#60
I'm done with newbie mafia. First real game

/in

I will not break the rules Bluelightz has set out.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 19 2013 08:05 GMT
#69
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 20 2013 18:21 GMT
#101
On July 20 2013 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
yay mini! And i didnt roll scum!


He lies. Oatsmaster scum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 20 2013 20:28 GMT
#126
Yeah, I'm here. I haven't played with anyone here except firmtofu and jarjardrinks.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 20 2013 20:32 GMT
#127
On July 21 2013 04:53 getmoript wrote:
JJD has played some newbies and a few minis I think
jrkirby has played a few newbies I think but his a notorious lurker
smur


Me? A lurker?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 20 2013 20:52 GMT
#133
On July 21 2013 05:34 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 05:28 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, I'm here. I haven't played with anyone here except firmtofu and jarjardrinks.

What do you think of austin?


The only scummy thing I see is:

On July 21 2013 03:58 austinmcc wrote:
Also, this is gonna be an easy game. Scum team dumb enough to build a town on a volcano, should be easy to catch.

jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 20 2013 20:52 GMT
#134
On July 21 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 05:28 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, I'm here. I haven't played with anyone here except firmtofu and jarjardrinks.
Alrighty. If firmtofu and jarjar were both puppies and you could adopt either one of them, which one would you adopt?


Firmtofu. He's practically a puppy already, so cute.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 20 2013 21:09 GMT
#138
On July 21 2013 06:04 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 05:52 jrkirby wrote:
On July 21 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:
On July 21 2013 05:28 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, I'm here. I haven't played with anyone here except firmtofu and jarjardrinks.
Alrighty. If firmtofu and jarjar were both puppies and you could adopt either one of them, which one would you adopt?


Firmtofu. He's practically a puppy already, so cute.
So far this game, good puppy or bad puppy?

Also, did you interpret my post about marv's suspicions as being a +1 of his post? Did it sound like I was scummy on getmoript?


He's posted 4 times since the beginning of the game, I've not much to go off of.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 20 2013 21:55 GMT
#141
On July 21 2013 06:16 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 06:09 jrkirby wrote:
On July 21 2013 06:04 austinmcc wrote:
On July 21 2013 05:52 jrkirby wrote:
On July 21 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:
On July 21 2013 05:28 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, I'm here. I haven't played with anyone here except firmtofu and jarjardrinks.
Alrighty. If firmtofu and jarjar were both puppies and you could adopt either one of them, which one would you adopt?


Firmtofu. He's practically a puppy already, so cute.
So far this game, good puppy or bad puppy?

Also, did you interpret my post about marv's suspicions as being a +1 of his post? Did it sound like I was scummy on getmoript?


He's posted 4 times since the beginning of the game, I've not much to go off of.
Alrighty. How about the other part?


Sounds like you don't hate it and you don't love it either.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 20 2013 23:43 GMT
#175
Ok austin, I'd say firmtofu is being good puppy in general.

In other news, I'm going on a trip for the next 36 hours or so, and will have intermittent internet. I should be able to find a coffee shop in ~12 hours to catch up, but I have no real guarantees. But siggraph conference is totally worth it.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 02:22 GMT
#384
Ok, I'm on a train back and it has internet. I've got 2 hours of power left, so lets see how much scumhunting I can do in that time.

I've read the thread, and I got slight scumreads on rayn and TAA. I'm gonna dive their filters now and see if I was just imagining it.

If you want me to look at something in particular, let me know. I kinda skimmed the thread, so I might've missed a bit. Really, sorry, this was a hectic and awesome trip, but I'll be back to normal activity on monday.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 02:52 GMT
#396
Well, I read rayn, TAA, and jarjar. Unfortunately, none of them seem extremely scummy on second look. I'm gonna check firmtofu's filter and see if rayn has anything there.

God, I'm so bad at seeing scum until the votes come in.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 03:03 GMT
#399
Oh, wow, firmtofu looks to have it right on oatsmaster. oats is not saying anything useful:

On July 21 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
nonononono
Dont lynch me.

Why are we even talking about lurkers when there is only like 7 pages???


And then he says:

On July 22 2013 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
lynch ryaryrayrayrayryan.

It sucks that whenever Im here, no one fucking talks.

Anyway rayn is scum. Game is ez.
cant be arsed with voting for now.

.
This is just terrible, no reasoning behind his rayn vote. I could be wrong, but I think firmtofu had his vote on rayn then, which makes it double scummy. Anyway, till oats explains himself, my vote is on him.

##Vote: Oatsmaster
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 04:14 GMT
#431
So are people saying oats behavior is his standard behavior? Because I' also not loving TG, and if his filter checks scum to me, I might vote for him instead.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 17:01 GMT
#685
Oh shit, the train ended and I was stuck without internet on a bus for the next 8 hours, then I slept a bit, and I didn't get to look over TG's case. But I am now back home and can start looking at the thread. At this moment I am not caught up with the thread.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 19:11 GMT
#700
Ok, I read the thread, and I still think oats is scum. But shit... I kinda caused a no lynch to happen. Really sorry guys. If only I had read tangeng's filter faster. I still haven't read it, but I guess I got plenty of time to do that now.

I have even more scumread on oats than I did before. I'm not sure about DrH, I'd prefer to see how he plays tonight and tomorrow before I come to a conclusion on him.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 19:48 GMT
#710
Five, sign your name. Was that VE or marv? I don't know because you didn't tell me.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 21:18 GMT
#725
JJD, what do you think of oats?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 21:26 GMT
#733
I don't see anything that's a red flag yet, but Zephirdd didn't post at all day 1 right? So I don't have enough to go off of yet.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 21:44 GMT
#745
Ok, well I see it this way: Zeph didn't post at all, meaning it wasn't purposeful lurking, he just was completely AFK. That tells me nothing about alignment.

The post you quoted in particular shows a town perspective overview of the thread, but isn't enough for me to get a solid read on him yet. I really have to see how he acts during day 2, and doubt that he would make a good day 2 lynch unless his play becomes absolutely terrible.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 21:47 GMT
#748
On July 23 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 06:26 jrkirby wrote:
I don't see anything that's a red flag yet, but Zephirdd didn't post at all day 1 right? So I don't have enough to go off of yet.

That's pretty interesting because you semmed to have 2 scumreads on D1... What's changed?


What do you mean? I still think Oats is scum, and I still haven't gotten to tangengs filter. I can't spend too much time on this at work, cause I kinda also gotta get work done
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 23 2013 01:18 GMT
#799
On July 23 2013 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn scum guys.

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 21 2013 08:00 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 20 2013 23:00 TanGeng wrote:
FiveTouch is Marv/VE?
We must lynch this Redville scum and take revenge for the mayor!!!

Down with FirmTofu!!!! Up with SilkenTofu!!!
Constructively discussing? Are we dreaming about a different type of forum mafia. If we wanted constructive discussion, might as well lop off about 24 hours of time and get closer to the voting deadline. Beginning of games is always fluffy and I like fluffy.

Fluff=bad
You get scum points, sir.
On July 21 2013 03:32 getmoript wrote:
On July 21 2013 03:00 FiveTouch wrote:
It's a very real fake vote meant to express my willingness to fake-lynch rayn. Sup?

Also geript no, I'm not on right now. I'll probably be on later though, in case you...you know...had anything you wanted to say.

You wanna say something alignment indicative for me. Because otherwise I really want to lynch you because both Hydras can't be town.

Why can't both hydras be town?
You get scum points, sir.
On July 21 2013 04:02 getmoript wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:00 FiveTouch wrote:
On July 21 2013 03:43 getmoript wrote:
On July 21 2013 03:35 FiveTouch wrote:
Apart from anything else we're a replacement. So it's just full on retarded straight up.

And creating some false dichotomy based on nothing. Yuk yuk yuk.

~marv

I'm not talking to you Marv. I can't read you for shit. As a matter of fact I don't think I've played a game with you other than the other hydra game. Put VE back on the line.


You're serious? You say something horrendous and then just say you're not going to interact with me? How about some motivation, because you're being disgusting so far.

##Vote: getmoript

Are you an idiot Marv or just scum? I told you I can't read you versus shit. I read people far better when I've followed/played in more games with them. Hell I still don't have a read on you in Ver's game. You just mad because I'm more gay ripped than you?

Why would you want to glean information from only one half of the hydra? Why are you asking for less information to work with?
You get scum points, sir.
On July 21 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah WoS, i am scum, what was the point of your question?

I don't think there is anything scummy in thread atm. Just stopped working and read the thread. Lemme drink a couple of beers so i can start playing. ^^

Oats why are you so silent?

You claimed scum.
You get scum points, sir.
On July 21 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Austin is town. I am so confused.

You think Austin is town but you don't explain what makes you think that why. Why say it at all?
You get scum points, sir.


I already asked but i'll ask you again. How do these points you bring up make me (or anyone else you mentioned) scum?

To show i am serious:
##Vote: FirmTofu
Bringing up random quotes from random people with calling them scummy without a follow up or better explanation.

Weird pressure vote which doesnt have any stuff in it how firmtofu is scum. Nothing. Just OMGUS.

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seems like he is trying to figure shit out. I don't think his vote on you is good though. Anything specific you see there? Also his points calling FiveTouch scum are pretty bad, but i can understand them from town pov.

Also, so firmtofu cant make a bad case but this dude can? Double standerds = scum.

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And how thae fuck FirmTofu is "the easiest target" in game? getmoript for example has 2 votes.

Yeah no, since when has the number of votes on a dude = to easiest target? Why does rayn even give a fuck that firmtofu is the easiest target? Why does town rayn care whether FirmTofu is an easy target or not?

Rayn then says that a lynch is always preferable to nolynch for scum, so therefore TG is scum right?
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 23 2013 07:11 FiveTouch wrote:
That's just your opinion though rayn and you can't profess to know what the scumteam's opinion on the matter is unless you're on the scumteam right?

From my perspective, a no-lynch is an INCREDIBLE boon for the scumteam, ESPECIALLY if TG is town. Because now everyone's eyes are on TG for TOMORROW'S lynch right? By DEFAULT.

But anyway, that's just MY opinion, and it's regarding DocH who is either replacing out or getting modkilled or providing further content later, so it's whatever.

Fair enough. I understand your pov, i just disagree. :D
My eyes are not on TG, at least fully. I'm far more interested in lynching Oats. I don't even know why people voted for TanGeng. For being useless?

um nope. Contradictions everywhere.



In other news, Cora didnt even address me at all, so he didnt read the thread. He doesnt push anyone. All in all, a horrible opening post.


I've seen town do pretty much all of the things you've mentioned. Now that doesn't make rayn automatically town, but... I haven't seen town say "don't kill me" and tunnel someone without giving a reason for a whole day. Even in my last game where I was tunneled so hardcore as town, the person tunneling me (who was also town) at least gave a couple reasons when he made his case.

But at least you've finally given some reasons. Took you long enough.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 23 2013 01:48 GMT
#801
omgus much?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 23 2013 06:19 GMT
#823
So the guy oatsmaster wanted dead is dead, hmmm. If oatsmaster were really taking this seriously, I might think this a sign that he's not scum. But he's not, so I still think that he's scum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 23 2013 06:21 GMT
#824
Of course it's still kinda WIFOM, but Oats has still been acting scum.

##Vote Oatsmaster

Of course I'm open to opinions, but I think oats is still the scummiest guy in this game.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 00:29 GMT
#1428
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, I've finally read up on the thread. Sorry guys, it's been a combination of lazy/tired/busy at work, and I don't post unless I've read the entire thread in chronological order. I kinda deserve all these scumreads on me because I've just been afk pretty much all day 2 .


A lot has happened during this day, so many blue claims. I'm gonna try to sum up all the claims, and if I've misread one or missed one, you guys be sure to tell me, right?

Getmoript has claimed cop, and claim to have gotten the alignment of TheAwesomeAll to be scum. Tangeng has claim VT and claimed that he's been roleblocked. Meanwhile Corazon has claimed that he's rolecop, but was unsure of his sanity and he checked himself (and got back rolecop?). Then TheAwesomeAll claims roleblocker, and claims that he's roleblocked Tangeng. Also somewhere in there Onegu claimed vigilante?

Right now most of the town is on TAA because getmoript has a claimed redcheck on him. If this redcheck turns false of course we lynch him next, but at the moment the consensus is to lynch TAA, especially because of his roleblocker claim. (perhaps he was bluefishing or trying to save himself).

Seems like the correct choice of action for me is to solidify the lynch on TAA, as he's probably scum, and if he's not, then getmoript is guaranteed scum (with the exception of firmtofu's logic).

##Unvote
##Vote: TheAwesomeAll

Honestly I don't like all these blue claims. Why on earth did Corazon claim? And Onegu? Claiming didn't help town at all. I kinda understand getmoript's claim: if you find scum let people know. And TAA I think was trying to avoid a lynch, I personally would only do that at the last minute if I were town (to let people know who you roleblocked).
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 00:31 GMT
#1429
On July 25 2013 09:10 Onegu wrote:
@ Jkirby if you had a vigi shot tonight who would you shoot and why?


If I had a vig shot, I'd shoot oats. There's been like one post I read that sounded towny to me, but everything else sounded scum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 00:41 GMT
#1430
On July 23 2013 21:35 Onegu wrote:
1 shot night vigi ^


Onegu, why did you claim this? This is the worst role to claim if you're town, unless you've seen a mafia roleblocker die, and plan to shoot that night. even then, it's still ill advised.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 01:01 GMT
#1432
On July 25 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote:
jrkirby, if every player in the game was a panda, which two pandas would you mate together to save the panda species and why? (Hydras count as one panda)

WTF is up with these animal metaphors? Are you asking which people I think are on the same team?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 01:05 GMT
#1434
God, I hope TAA is the mafia RB. Then Onegu can shoot and become confirmed town.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 01:08 GMT
#1436
On July 25 2013 10:05 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 10:01 jrkirby wrote:
On July 25 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote:
jrkirby, if every player in the game was a panda, which two pandas would you mate together to save the panda species and why? (Hydras count as one panda)

WTF is up with these animal metaphors? Are you asking which people I think are on the same team?
No. If they were pandas, which two would you mate.

If you only want to mate same-team pandas, that's fine, it's part of the why.

This makes no sense, I'm not a zookeeper, and it doesn't help the thread. Ask me something about the thread.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 01:12 GMT
#1438
Ok, onegu, I saw your explanation about why you claimed vigi, but it's terrible. Don't ever do this again as town.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 01:15 GMT
#1439
JJD, I'd have to see some more flips and then look through Firm's filter for clues to think he's scum. Yeah, he's said some things that sound unlikely (like getmoript might be VT), but I don't see anything damning.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 01:16 GMT
#1440
On July 25 2013 10:06 Onegu wrote:
WTF!?!?!

What is this WTF about?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 01:19 GMT
#1443
Hey, if TAA is mafia RB, you just might be able to vindicate yourself.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 01:50 GMT
#1444
Oh, god, I think JJD might be right about firmtofu, pending the red TAA flip. He defends TAA at first when he thinks that TAA has a chance at defending himself. Then, I'm speculating that TAA went against his discretion with the blue claim, and firmtofu decided to bus him.

The reason why are the circumstances of voting:

On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not going to make a quoted point-by-point post about cDg because my scumread is not as strong as the other two.

His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information.

While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA.

I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles.

That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum.



Bold is his. He doesn't want to lynch potential blues. But once TAA claims to be blue, he's definitely a potential blue. So firmtofu voting him after saying this is a direct contradiction, i.e. a lie.

On the otherhand, if TAA flips town, then I think firmtofu just made a logic misstep/mistake, and actually is town. Him being mafia only makes sense if he were defending mafia.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 02:55 GMT
#1450
Honestly, I'm leaning a bit towards town on him right now. Although I would have considered lynching him if I had the chance day 1, not much of his day 1 filter is that terrible. Honestly I don't think the day 1 case on him was really all that great, but then, it's really rare to have a great day 1 case that has any chance of going through.

If I looked at this game from an objective standpoint (if I were obs), the only reason I'd think he's scum is if I were scum, because of how the day 1 votes turned out. Unfortunately, the rest of the town doesn't know I'm not scum, but I do. Also, depending on how things turn out with flips of TAA, and who the roleblocker is, I might change my mind. But as of now, I don't think he's any more suspicious than, say, jarjardrinks.

(jarjardrinks didn't claim anything, did he? I remember reading something about that, but I don't recall if that was just speculation or something)
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 03:02 GMT
#1453
Yeah, TAA, if you're town, you better post final reads before you die please.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 03:08 GMT
#1454
On July 22 2013 11:48 TanGeng wrote:
in getript we trust. unvoted.


On July 22 2013 13:35 TanGeng wrote:
Don't lynch me. It really was trying to stir up some activity. I'm trying to help out town and austin just jumped all over me.


These are both bad posts from day 1. But he did try scumhunting day 1 a bit, and usually the town's day 1 reads are bad. Thus because the town BW him on day 1, I think there's a decent chance he's town. Saying that he's scum kinda implies that scum were either bussing him and failed, or they somehow knew me and DrH wouldn't switch onto him. Since I don't currently have a scumread on onegu, and I know that I'm town, I feel that it's unlikely that TG is scum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 03:19 GMT
#1456
On July 22 2013 14:14 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 13:38 getmoript wrote:
Convince me you're town. Who do you think is scum and why?


My top suspicions are actually Tofu & Rayne. Tofu for trying to opening up ultra townie and then flinging shit around. Rayne is more of a gut feeling for those series of one liners to Tofu instead of real analysis. I wanted to follow up on Rayne but it looks like he's off.

Honestly I don't know who to vote at the moment for because the day one voting volume has been so low, it's hard to pick up on anything.

Doesn't look like there will be much more before the deadline so:
##vote: FirmTofu


This is scumhunting, in my opinion. He was definitely wrong on rayne, but really, scumhunting is hard day 1.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 03:26 GMT
#1458
Yes, his day 1 posting as a whole troubles me. But I really don't think it's damning.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 06:22 GMT
#1473
It's unfortunate that scum know probably all of our blues. But it's fortunate that they can't kill all of you tonight, I suppose. Onegu, aim well.

Unless someone comes out and claims town RB, it seems really unlikely that TG is scum. It's still possible, I mean scum could've just not used RB, and then had TG claim RB, but that seems kinda unlikely from my point of view.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 06:26 GMT
#1475
Didn't TG claim RB before getmoript claimed TAA was red? Or do I have the order wrong?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 06:33 GMT
#1481
Ahhh, you're right, it is all WIFOM.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 06:45 GMT
#1490
I don't think cora should die tonight because I want to see what he says he found in the morning.

If I were in onegu's shoes, I might actually shoot me, but please don't shoot me onegu.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 06:50 GMT
#1491
tofu might be a decent shoot merely because of the way he defended TAA.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 07:16 GMT
#1496
On July 25 2013 16:05 getmoript wrote:
@Onegu. Who are you interested in shooting?

Why on earth would you ask this? Onegu: Don't tell us who you're gonna shoot more than 5 minutes before the deadline.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 17:59 GMT
#1643
+ Show Spoiler +
I am not posting this to avoid getting shot. I played poorly day 1 and two, and kinda deserve to get shot. But if I get shot, I want to leave the town in the best possible position I can after I'm dead, else I'll think it's my fault we lost.


I think both of us are town. When I judge who I think is scum, I don't look at the content of their posts as much as the dead giveaways: things like defending someone, who and when votes happened, claims, deaths, associations. While tangeng's posts day 1 might not have the greatest content, I don't see scum motivation there.

In firmtofu's posts, I do see scum motivation. He defended TAA much longer than he should've, and went all out on the defence too. Just recently, he quoted TAA to defend himself: + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2013 01:06 FirmTofu wrote:
Why you shouldn't shoot me:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.

I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet?

Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right?

On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss?

Are you mafia?

FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up!
Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell.

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On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.

The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though.

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On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone

Bolded relevant.

Who you should shoot:

Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGeng
Tier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDg
cDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow.
JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum.
I think everyone else is town.



Even going so far as to bold a line that says "Happy wifom everyone." That, I must say, is bold.+ Show Spoiler +
Haha, get the pun?


He wants me (who I know am town) and TG (who I think is town) shot, as well as JJD who I also have a town read on.




Since I expect to die tonight, let me post my reads and what I expect/hope to happen.

I think that getmoript and I will get shot tonight. Scum shoot getmoript, onegu shoots me. Cora hopefully has some info for town. I hope that Firmtofu gets lynched. Then next night, onegu or cora gets shot. I'd prefer to have cora get shot, because I'd rather have a confirmed town than a dubious, weak, power role alive, but I expect onegu to get shot. If onegu is shot, I think the third scum is either cora or oatsmaster. If cora has any info from his nightly investigations, take that into account. You should be able to mislynch one and get the other the next night though.

My worst case scenario: I get shot (I'll flip town), and then TG gets lynched and flips town. Second worst is TG gets shot, flips town, and I get lynched. If TG gets shot and flips scum, then I'll have to rethink my reads on JJD and firmtofu. Best case: firmtofu gets shot and flips scum. Actually, new worst case scenario: firmtofu gets shot and flips town. That would really screw us up. At least if he's vigid, if scum shoot him, it just makes things clearer and we still have cop.

My plead: If I get shot and flip town, pleasepleaseplease don't lynch TG right next. If I flip scum, sure, but I'm not gonna flip scum.

So, reads:

getmoript: He's town. but he's gonna get shot tonight anyway, so doesn't matter too much. Although if he doesn't get shot, be fairly suspicious.

Me, TG, JJD, firmtofu: I already wrote about us.

Fivetouch: if he's scum... well played, well played. I think he's town.

Austin: He certainly reads town. I have not too much suspicion here, but if he starts acting funky, don't hesitate to consider him.

Oatsmaster: He kinda picked up his play a bit day 2, I don't have a solid scumread on him anymore. Honestly, he might make a decent lynch in 2 days though (or a vig shot? Too bad that's super unlikely).

Corazon: Him being scum really depends on whether he can give good info to the town. I still don't know why he just announced his role without any info at all.

So, I can't give a good recommendation for who to shoot between me and TG, because I think we're both town. I might slightly prefer TG getting shot, but that's only because I think I'll play better from here on out, I KNOW I'm town, and only think that he's town, and I like being alive.

On the off chance that you shoot firmtofu and he's scum, I am eternally grateful.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 18:00 GMT
#1644
On July 26 2013 02:57 FirmTofu wrote:
This JJD guy is playing really badly if he's town. If he's scum, then whatever. I don't understand why you would deliberately attack me when I'm basically confirmed town.

I'm just going to ignore his posts for the time being until Night 2 ends. I'll probably be able to ascertain his alignment soon.


You're basically confirmed town? how?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 18:51 GMT
#1654
On July 26 2013 03:06 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 03:00 jrkirby wrote:
On July 26 2013 02:57 FirmTofu wrote:
This JJD guy is playing really badly if he's town. If he's scum, then whatever. I don't understand why you would deliberately attack me when I'm basically confirmed town.

I'm just going to ignore his posts for the time being until Night 2 ends. I'll probably be able to ascertain his alignment soon.


You're basically confirmed town? how?

Look through TAA's filter. He has wanted me dead the entire game.


That in no way exonerates you. Especially because you haven't even come close to being lynched.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 19:06 GMT
#1656
I think you're town because of the votes. I think you're town because of the roleblocker. I think you're town because I'm looking at your actions and why, not at the wording you use. I think you're town because I know I'm town and I think onegu is town.

Day one, it's very hard to read people well. I wouldn't have been convinced you were town until I saw the way the votes turned out.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 19:09 GMT
#1657
I'd also like to bring up the fact that rayn thought firmtofu was scum day 1. I didn't see it then, and it might just be a coincidence, but it's nice to honor dead town by looking at their scumreads.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 19:11 GMT
#1658
On July 26 2013 03:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Well, kirby made an excellent case for himself being scum. Any takers?

I didn't make a case on myself being town. I but honestly I wouldn't much prefer TG getting shot over myself.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 19:12 GMT
#1659
EBWOP: I didn't make a case on myself being scum. Although you'll probably only know I'm town if I flip.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 25 2013 22:16 GMT
#1701
@Onegu: Shoot whoever you think is scum tonight.

Also, that mspaint is hilarious.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 03:35 GMT
#1750
I'd rather onegu shoot me than not at all. I seriously think it's better for town that way.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 03:39 GMT
#1754
I think there's a bit over 2 hours left.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 04:07 GMT
#1770
I think you're kinda on the money. But i feel like there's a bunch of people oats never interacted with. If I had one chance to guess remaining scum, I'd say oats and tofu. We ought to kill our food, guys, it's rotting and becoming scummy.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 04:14 GMT
#1773
Would be really nice if onegu shot oats and it was scum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 04:55 GMT
#1780
Alright, onegu, about right now is a good time to tell us who you're gonna shoot maybe. Don't leave too much time, but tell us before the deadline
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 04:57 GMT
#1782
On July 26 2013 13:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sure, shoot the most active poster.
Off really sketchy evidence that shows jack shit.
Like so what I didnt interact with TAA? How does that make me scum? How does me thinking TAA is flipped scum make me scum? How does me being wrong about Rayn make me scum?

I go back under my rock? So IRL reasons dont count i see.

Cora, you made a really fucking bad case and if you are town, I am distinctly disappointed.


Freaking out a bit much, aren't you.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 05:01 GMT
#1786
On July 26 2013 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah because its clearly the only way I dont die and Cora gets shot.

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 13:55 jrkirby wrote:
Alright, onegu, about right now is a good time to tell us who you're gonna shoot maybe. Don't leave too much time, but tell us before the deadline

Why do you want onegu to claim before the deadline?


If something weird happens, it makes it easier for town to figure out.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 05:04 GMT
#1792
Like only 1 death happens, or someone else dies, or, idk, it's a closed setup.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 05:04 GMT
#1793
oats, frankly your activity mostly sucks.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 05:07 GMT
#1796
On July 26 2013 14:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 14:04 jrkirby wrote:
oats, frankly your activity mostly sucks.

:o
tell me how thats scummy.
And in what way my activity 'sucks'

spamming the word scum in bold red letters with no evidence, 'sucks'
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 05:26 GMT
#1814
On July 26 2013 14:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
WoS, apparently you have this ideal that a town player should not shitpost?

Why should a town player shitpost?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 05:30 GMT
#1819
I never do it on purpose. It's something I really try to avoid. It helps scum when town do it.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 05:55 GMT
#1849
I am not caring more about my 'image' than who dies. I'm caring about the town doing the right thing after tonight, regardless of who dies. See even if I die, town can still lynch the scum. Me dying might even give a clearer picture as to who is scum. I'd obviously prefer not to die, because no one would. And it's not unlikely for me to die. Scum who die's "image" doesn't matter. Acting really townie doesn't help scum after they're dead, at least not in a game with flips.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 06:01 GMT
#1854
On July 26 2013 14:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 14:55 jrkirby wrote:
I am not caring more about my 'image' than who dies. I'm caring about the town doing the right thing after tonight, regardless of who dies. See even if I die, town can still lynch the scum. Me dying might even give a clearer picture as to who is scum. I'd obviously prefer not to die, because no one would. And it's not unlikely for me to die. Scum who die's "image" doesn't matter. Acting really townie doesn't help scum after they're dead, at least not in a game with flips.

what.

this whole paragraph is what?


Scum is pretty much useless to their town after death, except wifom. Town is useful to the town after death, with reads.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 06:04 GMT
#1858
WTF. Oats, why would you act like that as town?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 06:07 GMT
#1862
Cora, I thought you were a rolecop, not a alignment cop, wtf is this?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 06:09 GMT
#1865
On July 26 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 15:07 jrkirby wrote:
Cora, I thought you were a rolecop, not a alignment cop, wtf is this?

Bastard hosts.

I've only played newb games before this. Can someone more experience bring light onto this?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 06:15 GMT
#1868
On July 26 2013 15:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 15:09 jrkirby wrote:
On July 26 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
On July 26 2013 15:07 jrkirby wrote:
Cora, I thought you were a rolecop, not a alignment cop, wtf is this?

Bastard hosts.

I've only played newb games before this. Can someone more experience bring light onto this?

When the hosts do shenanigans that screw people over.

I'm looking for someone else more experienced to comment on this. No offense, but it's not really something I can just trust you on.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 17:38 GMT
#1933
On July 26 2013 23:14 TanGeng wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
@jrkirby

I have this part of a post from you:
On July 26 2013 02:59 jrkirby wrote:
Oatsmaster: He kinda picked up his play a bit day 2, I don't have a solid scumread on him anymore. Honestly, he might make a decent lynch in 2 days though (or a vig shot? Too bad that's super unlikely).

Corazon: Him being scum really depends on whether he can give good info to the town. I still don't know why he just announced his role without any info at all.

So, I can't give a good recommendation for who to shoot between me and TG, because I think we're both town. I might slightly prefer TG getting shot, but that's only because I think I'll play better from here on out, I KNOW I'm town, and only think that he's town, and I like being alive.

On the off chance that you shoot firmtofu and he's scum, I am eternally grateful.


And these two:
On July 26 2013 12:35 jrkirby wrote:
I'd rather onegu shoot me than not at all. I seriously think it's better for town that way.

I need reasons why you think your death would benefit town.

On July 26 2013 13:14 jrkirby wrote:
Would be really nice if onegu shot oats and it was scum.

What made you change your mind for an immediate shot? And on oats?


I also said the same thing about getting vigged.
On July 26 2013 12:50 TanGeng wrote:
I'm with jrkirby. Just shoot me.... now.

Between you and me, did you still think that I would have been the better target?




I feel like I'm not really sure about anything now. I've had a scumread on oats since day 1, and really wasn't expecting him to flip town. I never really wanted to get shot, I kinda thought it was inevitable, though. So instead of trying to save myself, I pushed my reads, i.e. you being town, firmtofu and oats being scum. I thought firmtofu was scum since the end of D2/beginning of N2, and obviously prefer one of my scumreads to die than me.

I'm still glad that onegu shot. I know getmoript was pushing for a no-shoot, but I really think it's better because now we have onegu as confirmed town. (I know someone said something about the possibly it could've been a scum aligned bullet, but I'll disregard that because that'd be a really unbalanced setup.)

Honestly, you still have the possibility of being scum (in my eyes, however small it is), so some possibility of getting scum is better than no possibility. Overall, I prefer a townflip on oats than a townflip on either of us, because I didn't see anything useful that he posted.

However, we should all look through oatsmaster's filter to see if I'm wrong, and he left some useful info, now that we know he's town.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#1934
On July 26 2013 20:29 FiveTouch wrote:
I have one good reason to believe Corazon is town, just waiting for VE to get back to me on it in QT.


Do you have more info on this now?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 18:04 GMT
#1936
@Corazon: Here's one thing I never got an answer for: Why did you claim? You had no info that would help town. There was no reason to claim.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 18:14 GMT
#1939
Oh, it was a counterclaim to getmoript? Ahhh, I kinda get it. I think I missed that part.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:19 GMT
#2174
Ok, I was playing halflife 2 all day, and I come back to see that firmtofu has claimed DT and there's a majority vote on me?

WTF? Doesn't this make it highly likely that FirmTofu or Cora is scum?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:21 GMT
#2177
I think so.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:21 GMT
#2179
Doesn't firmtofu's DT claim seem a little too convenient?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:24 GMT
#2182
Ok, either firmtofu or cora is scum, and firm was defending TAA. I think its pretty obvious who's scum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:25 GMT
#2184
Ok, yeah, firmtofu has to be scum, the claim just kinda seals the deal.

##vote: FirmTofu
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:27 GMT
#2186
You're trying to lead us off course.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:30 GMT
#2189
They'll kill onegu
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:34 GMT
#2193
Wait, what are the votes at, vote thread is confusing. Let me try to decipher it.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:40 GMT
#2199
Tonight? Corazon. maybe. I've gotta do some catching up
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:45 GMT
#2202
Wait, did fivetouch claim cop too? What is this about 4 different types of cops?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:48 GMT
#2208
Wait if we have 4 cops: Tofu, Cora, Getmoript, 5T, and onegu is Vig, and TG got proven town with cop check, and I know I'm town, then scum is austin (aka vivax), and JJD.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:49 GMT
#2210
Wait, we have 3 cops, and cora is mafia investigator?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:51 GMT
#2213
ok, I'm not so sure tofu is scum,
##Unvote: FirmTofu
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:52 GMT
#2215
is 5T or Cora here? That would really help.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 04:58 GMT
#2222
On July 28 2013 13:56 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 13:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 28 2013 13:36 FirmTofu wrote:
Vivax!!! Come back!

Well if Kirby doesn't switch his vote, then the only viable lynch is me. I'm going to post allmy reads. Town can decide whether its worth killing me for information.
I don't see how lynching you is better than no lynch. I've already explained why pretty certain ur town now.

I'll still be around for a while.


JJD,

You're not seeing play inconsistent with DT with unknown sanity getting a town check on TAA?
See previous post.


Well, getmoript was a DT with unknown sanity, and he pushed TAA to lynch.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:03 GMT
#2224
With 9 players and 2 scum, we have 2 mislynches left, right?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:04 GMT
#2228
Wait, we have 8 players? Why does voting thread say 9?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:05 GMT
#2229
FT, what changed your read on me to town?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:06 GMT
#2230
Yeah, I counted, there's 8 players, so only 1 mislynch.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:08 GMT
#2233
The main thing I'm confused on is the 5T claim. Can someone link that for me?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:11 GMT
#2235
Firmtofu, why did you not counter getmoripts claim when you had a town result on TAA?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:14 GMT
#2240
Did you ever ask getmoript if he knew he was sane? I didn't see that, so why didn't you?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:25 GMT
#2249
Ok, I really want a lynch tonight, is vote count now:

2 jrkirby (me)
3 FirmTofu
3 Corazon

?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:30 GMT
#2259
Onegu, it looks like I'm not getting lynched tonight. Who do you want between Firmtofu and Cora?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:32 GMT
#2263
Ok, if Tofu is scum, who do we lynch?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:33 GMT
#2265
Onegu, I know you're town. I'll vote for whoever you do.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:36 GMT
#2271
How do you know it's vivax, and not 5T, or JJD, or even Cora?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:37 GMT
#2275
How can anyone expect anyone but Onegu is getting shot?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:40 GMT
#2281
Well, onegu, your biggest scumread isn't making the call, your biggest townread is: You.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:40 GMT
#2282
Also, how do we know that 5T speculation isn't correct, and there are 4 cops, making vivax and JJD scum?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:42 GMT
#2286
Onegu, you need to make a vote so I can follow you.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:46 GMT
#2290
Did 5T say he was coming back?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:47 GMT
#2295
Vote: FirmTofu
jrkirby
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United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:48 GMT
#2299
wait... what are you voting?
jrkirby
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United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:49 GMT
#2303
ok, on cora now
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:51 GMT
#2306
I still can't shake the feeling that maybe Corazon and FirmTofu are both scum...
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 05:52 GMT
#2309
Votes are on corazon, that's what Onegu wanted
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 06:00 GMT
#2316
I think it's shut-up time now.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 06:09 GMT
#2331
Shouldn't you guys be shutting up after the deadline/before the nightpost?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 06:11 GMT
#2334
well shit.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 28 2013 06:13 GMT
#2339
I think there are 4 DT. Final scum are vivax and JJD. if cops check, we might be able to determine what checks we can trust, and then check the scum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 29 2013 06:16 GMT
#2398
On July 29 2013 15:14 FirmTofu wrote:
So my DT check is useless because I'm naive right?

Well did you get another town check?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 29 2013 07:04 GMT
#2405
Shit, is my terrible play gonna lose the game for town? T.T

Ok here's the thing: I think 5T theory is right. I think there's 4 cops, 1 of each type. That makes Tofu's claim true. Onegu killed someone, he's vigi, and he's town. That leaves me, austin/vivax, TG, and JJD. 2 of us are scum, and I'm pretty sure it's vivax and JJD.

Tonight I doubt anyone would want to lynch JJD. But I think a vivax lynch is doable. Unfortunately I'm not sure I'll be able to convince you guys that I'm not scum, especially not 2 nights in a row. I apologize for my poor play if we lose.

##Vote: Vivax
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 17:54 GMT
#2475
On July 31 2013 02:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TanGeng

Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day.


How can you think that onegu could be scum still?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 18:13 GMT
#2477
It's pretty obvious that there were 4 cops (FT was one), and a vig (onegu).

Ok, look at day one: austin and JJD were trying to lynch TG, but they just couldn't get a majority because TAA was AFK.

Day two, they didn't know anything about the cops, so they assumed the getmoript check on TAA was legit. They distanced themselves from TAA in order to save themselves.

Day three they had it easy because we were dead set on lynching one of the cops.

I'm not scum, and TG isn't my partner. We're at mylo. If we don't lynch tonight, onegu is going to die. we need to lynch vivax tonight.

TG, what happened to your vivax/Firmtofu combo? I think you were right about vivax, and if I wasn't so sure that there's 4 cops, I'd think you're right about FT.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 18:17 GMT
#2479
Do you really think that scum had an extra bullet in this setup? at least 2 completely useless cops, no doc, no town rb, no jk, but scum has an extra bullet?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 18:29 GMT
#2482
On July 31 2013 03:19 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 03:13 jrkirby wrote:
It's pretty obvious that there were 4 cops (FT was one), and a vig (onegu).

Ok, look at day one: austin and JJD were trying to lynch TG, but they just couldn't get a majority because TAA was AFK.

Day two, they didn't know anything about the cops, so they assumed the getmoript check on TAA was legit. They distanced themselves from TAA in order to save themselves.

Day three they had it easy because we were dead set on lynching one of the cops.

I'm not scum, and TG isn't my partner. We're at mylo. If we don't lynch tonight, onegu is going to die. we need to lynch vivax tonight.

TG, what happened to your vivax/Firmtofu combo? I think you were right about vivax, and if I wasn't so sure that there's 4 cops, I'd think you're right about FT.


Good, we're making progresses.

What makes you so sure FT is actually cop?
Can you give me a summary of reasons for why you think I'm scum? As condensed as possible or as extended as you want.

Why do you think are me and JarJar pushing the wagon away from you when everyone else wants to lynch you, if we were scum?


There's three cops with varying sanity. 4 possible sanity choices. Really, it just makes sense for there to be a fourth. I was really suspicious of firmtofu's actions before, but the cop claim actually makes sense. I kinda with the cops had mass claimed day 2 because it would've made this game so much easier to figure out and scum don't have 4 bullets a night. they've been shooting cops every night since then anyway.

I think you're scum mainly by process of elimination. Onegu isn't scum, FT isn't scum, I'm not scum. If TG is scum, either you or JJD put him soooo close to dying day 1. For that, and a myriad of other reasons: TG isn't scum. There's two scum left, you and JJD.

If you and jarjar are scum, all you have to do is get a mislynch. You honestly don't care who. it could be me, it could be TG. This game ends tonight if we lynch wrong.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 18:30 GMT
#2483
On July 31 2013 03:20 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 03:17 jrkirby wrote:
Do you really think that scum had an extra bullet in this setup? at least 2 completely useless cops, no doc, no town rb, no jk, but scum has an extra bullet?


You mean, scum having a vigi?
There are setups with scum vigis, it's no sci-fi


Oh, I believe there are setups like that, but this ain't one of them.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 19:24 GMT
#2487
Well, so town wants to lynch me... T.T

I totally understand guys, I haven't played the best game. I can't retroactively undo my lurking though, and I'm not scum. It's gonna feel shitty when I get lynched and then you figure out that I was right about the game.

I don't really see much else I can do to defend myself. Yeah, if I we're scum, TG would be my partner. But I'm not, and I'm the only one who knows this. And because I know this, I can solve the game. But I don't know how to explain that to you guys in a way that would convince you.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 19:25 GMT
#2488
On July 31 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 03:29 jrkirby wrote:
On July 31 2013 03:19 Vivax wrote:
On July 31 2013 03:13 jrkirby wrote:
It's pretty obvious that there were 4 cops (FT was one), and a vig (onegu).

Ok, look at day one: austin and JJD were trying to lynch TG, but they just couldn't get a majority because TAA was AFK.

Day two, they didn't know anything about the cops, so they assumed the getmoript check on TAA was legit. They distanced themselves from TAA in order to save themselves.

Day three they had it easy because we were dead set on lynching one of the cops.

I'm not scum, and TG isn't my partner. We're at mylo. If we don't lynch tonight, onegu is going to die. we need to lynch vivax tonight.

TG, what happened to your vivax/Firmtofu combo? I think you were right about vivax, and if I wasn't so sure that there's 4 cops, I'd think you're right about FT.


Good, we're making progresses.

What makes you so sure FT is actually cop?
Can you give me a summary of reasons for why you think I'm scum? As condensed as possible or as extended as you want.

Why do you think are me and JarJar pushing the wagon away from you when everyone else wants to lynch you, if we were scum?


There's three cops with varying sanity. 4 possible sanity choices. Really, it just makes sense for there to be a fourth. I was really suspicious of firmtofu's actions before, but the cop claim actually makes sense. I kinda with the cops had mass claimed day 2 because it would've made this game so much easier to figure out and scum don't have 4 bullets a night. they've been shooting cops every night since then anyway.

I think you're scum mainly by process of elimination. Onegu isn't scum, FT isn't scum, I'm not scum. If TG is scum, either you or JJD put him soooo close to dying day 1. For that, and a myriad of other reasons: TG isn't scum. There's two scum left, you and JJD.

If you and jarjar are scum, all you have to do is get a mislynch. You honestly don't care who. it could be me, it could be TG. This game ends tonight if we lynch wrong.


Would you rather get lynched yourself before voting TG with me and JarJar?

No. No town would want to get themselves lynched at mylo. ever. I think I'd rather have a no lynch than TG lynch, maybe. I'm not sure.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 19:34 GMT
#2491
Why have you ruled out JJD?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 19:47 GMT
#2494
Cause I really think there's 4 cops. 3 of them have already died.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 19:50 GMT
#2495
On July 28 2013 04:24 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 04:22 TanGeng wrote:
On July 28 2013 04:21 FiveTouch wrote:
Nope, or I wouldn't be posting at all. Only doing so because it was critical


What do you think of a fake claim by Tofu here?


Highly unlikely. I think we have 4 cops. If anyone wants fun, try to split the 4 sanities between the claims


This is why I think tofu is town.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 20:04 GMT
#2497
There's no guarantee, just a really strong hunch. We're at mylo, and I really think this hunch is my best bet.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 20:07 GMT
#2498
I think you're just trying to put suspicion on everyone but scum, cause even if a fluke happens and one of you does get lynched, we're still at mylo and you want to guarantee that the last lynch wont happen.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 20:29 GMT
#2501
Why the hell can't I find fivetouch's cop claim? I'm trying to see if tofu's claim came before or after, but reading through the last couple pages of 5T's filter I can't find it.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 20:36 GMT
#2503
Why the hell can't I find it though, I know I've seen it before, but I can not find it in the last couple pages of his filter.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 20:47 GMT
#2505
I don't know why I didn't see that, I swear I read that exact post like 20 times. I must have terrible reading comprehension.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 20:57 GMT
#2506
Well, if I can't convice Tofu and onegu to vote vivax, it ain't gonna happen. Right now I'm predicting they'll stay on me till the end, vivax and JJD will hop on sometime before the deadline and then GG will happen.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 21:26 GMT
#2516
On July 31 2013 06:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 05:57 jrkirby wrote:
Well, if I can't convice Tofu and onegu to vote vivax, it ain't gonna happen. Right now I'm predicting they'll stay on me till the end, vivax and JJD will hop on sometime before the deadline and then GG will happen.


Lol. U realize we don't have to hop on anything before deadline, cause it's me and JJD on you and not FT and Onegu?
What does FT's claim have anything to do with Ft's claim?It's the same reasoning you use, that there has to be a type of cop of each kind.


What? Tofu and Onegu are currently voting for me, right?

Also, Tofu's claim is more believable since it came before 5t said "We probably have 4 cops."
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 21:30 GMT
#2518
Also, didn't everyone think it was Corazon and TG together last night? And now Corazon flipped town, you still think it's TG? At least Tofu thought this.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 21:44 GMT
#2522
On July 31 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 06:26 jrkirby wrote:
On July 31 2013 06:01 Vivax wrote:
On July 31 2013 05:57 jrkirby wrote:
Well, if I can't convice Tofu and onegu to vote vivax, it ain't gonna happen. Right now I'm predicting they'll stay on me till the end, vivax and JJD will hop on sometime before the deadline and then GG will happen.


Lol. U realize we don't have to hop on anything before deadline, cause it's me and JJD on you and not FT and Onegu?
What does FT's claim have anything to do with Ft's claim?It's the same reasoning you use, that there has to be a type of cop of each kind.


What? Tofu and Onegu are currently voting for me, right?

Also, Tofu's claim is more believable since it came before 5t said "We probably have 4 cops."


Ok, I think this is something I can fry you on cause it could be confirmation bias from a scum knowing that FT is town.

Can you explain to me exactly how that is supposed to make Tofu's claim more credible?
Are you saying that it would have been less credible if it came afterwards?Why?
Would it be more credible if no one claimed after him? Why?


It might be some kinda bias, because I obviously think tofu is town, and I'm trying to confirm what I already believe.

The reason tofu's claim seems credible is that 5T claimed after him, telling the town we might have 4 cops, and that role speculation makes sense given what we've seen. If tofu had claimed after, and told the town, hey we might have 4 cops, and I'm one of them, that sounds suspicious.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2013 21:58 GMT
#2523
Tofu: I know you're here, you just posted in Titanic mafia. What do you think of Vivax/JJD scumteam?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 00:31 GMT
#2525
On July 31 2013 05:57 jrkirby wrote:
Well, if I can't convice Tofu and onegu to vote vivax, it ain't gonna happen. Right now I'm predicting they'll stay on me till the end, vivax and JJD will hop on sometime before the deadline and then GG will happen.


Oh, well now it happened.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 00:40 GMT
#2527
Well, this is GG guys. You're gonna feel like idiots if I'm spot on the money.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 00:45 GMT
#2528
Also, TG, calling something a "policy lynch" several days in isn't really a policy lynch. Cause it's not really a policy if you suddenly decide it a couple days in.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 00:49 GMT
#2530
The people I want to switch are tofu and onegu, cause they're town. Also, not reading the thread is bad even especially at mylo.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 02:56 GMT
#2533
Ok, remember N2, when it looked like you were gonna shoot TG or me? And then getmoript said "Don't shoot"? I told you to shoot. Why would I have done that as scum? That would have lead to a TG lynch if you'd shot me and I flipped scum. I think TG asked you to shoot too, but I'm not sure.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:00 GMT
#2535
I'm looking through filters right now. It's really hard, as my case rests in large part on process of elimination. Also very hard because JJD and austin/vivax have never been under pressure this entire game.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:18 GMT
#2537
Ok, the only interaction where Austin talks about JJD is day 1 where austin defends JJD, pursueing his case on TG.

On July 22 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people.
Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng.

I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice.

I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand."

On average, I think it comes out scummy for me, as like a deer in the headlights reaction? Has TanGeng been mafia before?

I really want getmoript's take on that and TanGeng overall, because despite spending this last bit removing the police uniforms and playing paddycake in their chat (or, you know, working), I'm interested in their thoughts. Having "misread" TanGeng before, or whatever that comment was, I'd like to know what was misread.

Oats is still oats, and still looks like a perfectly fine lynch. But TanGeng also looks like a fine lynch to me atm, if this game actually has a lynch and doesn't just get shut down because nobody votes.


I think this was the first case on TG, too. Other than that, Austin seems to ignore JJD all game long.

JJD filter next, then vivax.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:18 GMT
#2538
Vivax, but I'd do JJD as well.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:33 GMT
#2542
Ok, the first thing that's apparent about JJD's filter is that when you search TAA, the first thing that comes up is ##Vote: TAA.

Next, search "austin." Yeah, he's there, but only in posts that JJD has quoted. JJD avoided austin completely all of D1 - N2.

Finally, "vivax." There's something about vivax's weird initial reads, some distancing, and then suddenly vivax is right, and I'm scum.

Contrast this distance to TG and I, who have been associated with each other since day 1. DO you really think scum want to be so closely associated?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:34 GMT
#2543
On July 31 2013 12:29 Onegu wrote:
Vivax is sleeping not sure if he will be up in time for deadline...


Oh, he wont be. You can trust that.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:43 GMT
#2548
Vivax, as far as I can tell, has had almost no suspicion on JJD all (this short part of) the game.

Also, this is scummy:

On July 28 2013 19:02 Vivax wrote:
I don't regret lynching Cora at all. He made mistakes during his claim, refused to cooperate, didn't push his scumreads properly. To his defense we now know that hosts handled his role in a strange way, but that's about it.
If he ended up being town, then we can conclude that he didn't do properly what he had to do as town, appearing townie and pushing scum over town.

That said, waiting to see how the night turns up cause if there are 3 scum left, it's gg, if it's two we'll have another day.

jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:44 GMT
#2549
I'm not sure I agree with your logic FT, but I sure agree with your conclusion
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:45 GMT
#2550
Also, JJD and Vivax were both saying: "Maybe Onegu is scum" which is ridiculous.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:48 GMT
#2552
Nope, he's gone. There's no scum in the thread right now. We can lynch them if we work together town! I believe in you!
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:54 GMT
#2556
JJD was saying you might be scum too:

On July 31 2013 02:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TanGeng

Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day.

jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 03:56 GMT
#2557
On July 31 2013 12:51 FirmTofu wrote:
Nope. You're dead brah. Switching at this point is suicidal. I just wanted to see his reaction. Too bad he's not around.


If I'm dead, then we lose. T.T
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 04:00 GMT
#2559
maybe getmoript is right: You shouldn't have shot N2, onegu. Damn oatsmaster played a shitty game, though. I can't say I played the best game, but I'd say I played better than him. I guess it's me+oatsmaster's fault we lost.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 04:02 GMT
#2560
But if I was right about the scumteam, I at least have some logic skills and can solve a game given enough hints. Although I have more info than you or onegu, cause I know I'm town, and you don't.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 04:03 GMT
#2561
I guess GG austin/vivax and JJD. Seems like you played better than town this game.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 05:04 GMT
#2563
So you figure: let the better player win, it doesn't matter if they're scum or not?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 05:11 GMT
#2565
Nobody had a good reason why TG and I would want onegu to shoot n2 if we were scum still.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 05:29 GMT
#2569
On July 31 2013 14:22 Onegu wrote:
Because it wifom me into shooting oats instead of you...


If you thought I was scum you should have shot me. I asked you to shoot your scumread.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 05:51 GMT
#2572
10 minutes left. It's probably too late to change your minds, as TG probably won't read the thread till it's over. GG.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 06:01 GMT
#2574
Ok, it's the deadline. Can you tell me if my final reads were right now? The game is over.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 06:22 GMT
#2587
Ok, how is this setup not super scum favored?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 06:26 GMT
#2594
Or, maybe, we wouldn't have lynched corazon, our REAL cop, if you hadn't claimed.

And the host's "result" for corazon night 1 was bullshit too. He is an alignment cop, and they return "investigator"? WTF?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 07:51 GMT
#2627
Honestly I could've played better, it's true. I was AFK alot more than I should've been. But at least I was right on the TG being town call, eh?

I think everything here's been discussed: scum favored setup, questionable replacement, questionable cop check, poor town play.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 08:42 GMT
#2634
On July 31 2013 17:31 Bluelightz wrote:
Was at school for most day/night posts. To cora, you played a wonderful game and about first: it was stupid of me not to just ban you from checking yourself, but my mind was a compkete idiot that day and I allowed It (my fault). Phagga ppsted most of the day and night posts because the deadlinr became shit for me once school started.

Also to cora:
Rolecop because you already have all the information you would need on yourself.
Alignment because it was the proper result.

Any blame for mistakes rest on me and I can't thank phagga enough for handling much of the game.


Just curious, but why didn't you just choose a different time for day/night posts?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 31 2013 09:10 GMT
#2637
Man, I just realized what I could've done to save the game... I could've fake claimed doc N2, in order to WIFOM the scum out of shooting getmoript (and shooting me instead). Under the pretense of trying not to get shot by Onegu, scum totally would've believed such a claim. I feel stupid for not thinking of it.
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